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>>106093940 (OP)
>xfwm based on fvwm
huh

>>106093940 (OP)
That image is neato. It is about 20 years old. Here is one that is 25 years old. What a history that little mouse had.

>>106094003
A proper balance between sharp edges and rounded corners, designers should learn from history.

This might sound weird but is there a way to send audio output between two machines over local area network?
Both machines are running on pipewire.

>>106093940 (OP)
Noob friendly way to make a complete system image, in case my HDD dies or some shit happens and I want to restore it?
LMDE 6

>>106094730
Of course. You just need to add map it and add those addresses to conf files. If you could be more specific, you might get even better help. Just a simple search shows it is very possible and easy to do.

i want to dual boot windows and arch but im having trouble on deciding how to distribute my drives

i currently have a 250gb 2.5in ssd, 500gb nvme ssd, and a 4tb hdd
i have windows on the 250gb ssd, high priority games on the 500gb nvme, and low priority games and pirated media on the 4tb hdd.

im thinking of migrating windows to the 500gb nvme and putting arch linux on the 250gb ssd and letting linux have the 4tb drive as well.

any better suggestions or tips on how to make this transition as painless as possible?

Thank you loonix for keeping my shitty laptop alive and usable even though it's incompatible with Win11
i <3 u

>>106093940 (OP)
Bros, what makes Linux so comfy?

>>106094969
>runs everywhere
>keeps your old hardware still usable and relevant
>most customizable OS ever
>has enterprise grade features for free

>>106094885
ditch windows.

>>106095018
im a league of legends player unfortunately

>>106094885
>painless
Keep everything as it is right now, get another cheap drive and install ur fav linux there

I want to try out a tiling wm and the only one that doesn't look like dogshit ootb is Hyprland. Thing is, I'm reading wayland and hyprland have some troubles with nvidia. Is this true?

>>106095086
yes, more like nvidia has trouble with wayland and hyprland, the best route is to go AMD or Intel

>>106095086
>the only one that doesn't look like dogshit ootb is Hyprland
the magic of anime girl mascot

>>106094809
clonezilla
https://sourceforge.net/projects/clonezilla/

>>106095105
I see, X11 it is then. Hopefully I'll find a nice i3 config on github or something

>>106095219
Read the docs or watch a tut, it's pretty simple once you get started

I want to use Davinci's resolve in Fedora. The custom flatpak package doesn't work. Can you use virtual machines without the lag?

>>106095056
dont have the money for that atm

>>106095268
I'm pretty sure Davinci resolve doesn't work on pretty much any distro out of the box, aside from CentOS or whatever the fuck they advertise to support. Nobara (Fedora-based distro) has a compatibility patch for it.
https://wiki.nobaraproject.org/general-usage/additional-software/davinci-resolve

You should look into what Nobara did to make the distro compatible with it and just replicate that on your machine.

>>106095219
xmonad w/ dmenu & xmobar is pretty comfy. Here are some simple configs if you wanna give it a look see.

>>106095086
>Thing is, I'm reading wayland and hyprland have some troubles with nvidia. Is this true?
On my machine it just works

Why the fuck does everyone shill Plan 9 when it doesn't even have a distributed process table or whatever, isn't Amoeba more interesting?

>>106095475
maybe I'll try that whole Nobara thing

Btrfs sisters...
I thought Btrfs was good now...

>>106096031
That's why I use the lts kernel

>>106094730
I want to watch that pizza come out of her booty hole.

>>106095935
Nobody mentioned Plan 9 in months, anon. The reason it's called Plan 9 is because there's only 9 people using it.

>>106096031
Good thing I haven't updated in over a month.

Arch 6.16 when

>>106096204
You can Arch 6.16 right now
>mainline: 6.16 2025-07-27

>>106096031
why is raid 5/6 still unstable on btrfs in 2025, what are they even doing there

What is the best way to rip CDs on linux?

I've been trying really hard to work with wayland but holy shit EVERYTHING has extra steps

>>106096031
Ubuntu brothers stay winning

realistically, whats the difference between arch using archinstall + kde, and linux mint cinnamon?

Dunno if this is the right place to ask, but I've just been fired and I plan to keep the company chromebook until they come and pick it up
Is it possible to completely remove ChomeOS from these things and install some linux distro as the only OS?

>>106096352
cdparanoia for audio, dd for iso, cdrdao+toc2cue for cue/bin

>>106094849
Sorry, I really don't know how to describe it well.
I don't want it a permanent thing just a one command thing.

what's safe and free way to access my home network remotely if it's on CG-NAT?

>>106094003
why does this look way way better and more modern that the one we have nowadays

Is there a way to limit access between different PC on local network?
For example I want a machine to be accessed by only certain IP locally.
How would I be able to do that?

>>106096552
Cinnamon isn't as feature rich or compatible with some software as KDE Plasma, and most Mint packages are outdated by at least a year

>>106096717
a firewall?

>>106096552
Cinnamon sucks and kde stays winning, linux mint sucks ass too.

>>106096031
I'm using btrfs and my system still didn't break

>>106096757
I guess.
Anything noob friendly with nice gui?
I mean I still want it to be able to connect to the internet and such but don't allow anyone on the LAN to connect to it except certain IP.
I have SSH enable on it, and even disables password authentication and just using keys.
So is there something like that?

>>106096031
meh

>>106096808
Same here, updated yesterday, rebooted and everything is fine, arch btw

>>106096825
apparently they havent been able to reproduce the issue reliably so simply updating isnt likely to trigger it

>>106096825
btrfsGODS.... I kneel

>>106096809
firewalls are inherently noob-unfriendly since you need to know what you're doing.
What you want to achieve is quite doable.

Why do I have warp-svc service running my my machine?

>>106096919
Ok, what's the easy noob friendly solution?
I don't want to break things, I want all kind of traffic be avalible to certain IP on all ports while block other.

Has Nvidia vkd3d performance been fixed? Last I knew D3D12 games on Linux were horrible, I am planing on fully switching to Linux with Artix but performance seems poor compared to AMD graphic cards.

>>106096031
holy fuck
all my torrenting/hoarding of porn is using a btrfs jbod under Debian and everything's being smooth as butter

>>106096940
>Ok, what's the easy noob friendly solution?
pay someone who knows what they're doing to do it for you. That's the noob friendly way, hire an expert.

>I don't want to break things
Good

>I want all kind of traffic be avalible to certain IP on all ports while block other.
I have no clue what you actually want to achieve with that. There are chances that you just don't know what you actually need and just assume you need this.

>>106096647
VPN to a VPS

>toggle kernel's preempt to full
>set cpu governor minimum frequency to 2Ghz
>remove all unnecessary desktop effects
yup this feels good

>>106096987
>That's the noob friendly way, hire an expert
Pajeet hands typed this

>>106096991
And then?

>>106097091
nothing, that's it, you get a VPS, configure VPN and you're good to go
oh, there's no free alternative if you're under CGNAT, sorry (not)

>>106096647
>CG-NAT
Get a better ISP

>>106096178
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space

this is where "plan 9" from bell labs comes from.

>>106095086
I like awesomeWM, tried both i3 and dwm before and i think its the best of both worlds even though a bit heavier on the system

>>106097146
I don't get it, a NAT improves your Wi-Fi security. Why get rid of it?

>>106094969
Cute furry mascots.

>>106097246
Lookup CG-NAT then. It's not a personal NAT that you can control

>>106097246
CG-NAT means you share your IP with other customers of your ISP, which in turn means you can't reach your router from the internet, hence making it impossible to host shit.
It has nothing to do with the NAT that your router does.

>>106097103
How is connecting to VPS over VPN would solve it?
>>106097146
Not available

>>106097246
>>106097275
>>106097288
this is current /hsg/

>>106097294
because your home network can reach your vps, and hence establish a tunnel to it. You then just have to reach your vps from anywhere and can use the tunnel.

>>106097294
With CG-NAT, outgoing traffic is no problem, incoming traffic is. So incoming vpn is not possible. But you can connect to a man in the middle (your vps) to forward incoming vpn traffic to you.

Never posted in here before but figured now is a good time.

I currently use Windows 10 but don't want to use Windows 11, and I've always been curious about Linux so I've decided to go with Mint (Cinnamon) given Win10 is being phased out soon. I've checked the "Which Distro" link in the OP and have watched a few videos and it looks the best choice for me.

I've spent most of today preparing, backing up my stuff, getting the USB ready to install Mint etc.

Currently in my PC, I have an SSD for the OS and some other programs I use frequently including games, and a HDD where I store all my music, books, films etc.

I've made two separate backups on external hard drives in case something goes wrong. They're formatted to NTFS.

I will boot from USB and try Mint but I am 99.99% certain I want to use it full-time from what I've seen. Looks to be the best option. Basically as long as I can copy my files over that's all that really matters. I plan to completely wipe both the internal SSD/HDD and install Linux to the SSD, then copy my files from the external backup hard drive.

Is this correct? Are there any issues I might encounter? I know not to have the external hard drive inserted when installing Linux in case I wipe that.

>>106097294
Third panel, bottom left.

>>106097379
>man in the middle
That's just a way to make your data more available to three letter agencies.

>>106097459

>>106097496
No it's not

>>106097424
I dont recall doing any rituals to install my distro but the GUI installer is different between distros and so are the defaults.
You might want to use the windows' partitioning tool to create some unassigned space (either by reducing the size of one of your partitions or deleting them) then you just create the partitions from your live usb.

>>106097504
First panel, window.

>>106097614
>windows' partitioning tool to create some unassigned space (either by reducing the size of one of your partitions or deleting them) then you just create the partitions from your live usb.
But is there any point if I'm gonna just use Linux?

>>106097800
I assumed you were going to keep windows just in case. If you're just gonna wipe everything then no, go ahead.

Everytime I click off a windowed wine application, the mouse wheel stops scrolling. Is there a remedy?

In KDE (default Artix install if it makes a difference), whenever I have a tab with a youtube video open in firefox, KDE somehow picks it up as a "media player" thingy. It lets me control it with my keyboard media keys even when the browser is minimised, and displays the video title and thumbnail on the lock screen when I lock my desktop.

I need this feature exactly never, and I want it to stop randomly displaying one of my youtube tabs whenever I lock my pc, just on principle. What's the component that does this so I can turn it off? I didn't see anything related to this in the settings.

>>106098766
Have you tried forcing a virtual desktop?

>>106098819
It might be a Firefox setting you have to disable.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/control-audio-or-video-playback-your-keyboard?as=u&utm_source=inproduct

>>106098911
Oh, that's probably it. Thanks anon.

I've just installed Linux for the first time in my life, Arch, on my mom's 2012 Dell workstation. Pretty cool so far, but I don't think the Nvidia Quadro K1000M GPU is being used. How can I resolve pic rel? Thanks.

>>106098931
You are welcome and I hope it is that simple for you.

>>106098938
There's a wikipage on their website. Nvidia drivers aren't part of the usual kernel package and have to be installed separately.
This is the case for every Linux distribution although some of them have the drivers preinstalled for you.
>>106097424
So you made some backups. I assume they are 'dumb files' such as your /b/ folder, photos and whatever documents -> you can simply copy all that over.
Remember the --archive flag case you want to preserve timestamps.
Also partition for easy distrohopping case you want to try out other distributions. Typical Linux install - the system itself - takes like 5 to 20 gigabytes so you could partition as such:
>0.5G EFI system partition (if an EFI PC)
>30G for distro A
>30G for distro B
>rest of the drive for /mnt/whatever that hosts your $HOME along with other stuff such as bind mount to /var/lib/bluetooth

>>106098039
I've made a system backup of Windows.

If something goes wrong, would I be able to reinstall Windows and restore the system backup?

>>106099012
>If
When*
ftfy

>>106099007
This did the trick, thanks https://github.com/korvahannu/arch-nvidia-drivers-installation-guide

What's the Plasma equivalent to Linux Mint? No Kubuntu. I want something pretty (and snapless) that I can recommend to friends.

>>106099229
Trying now to play any youtube videos in mpv, but all videos give this error
>Segmentation Fault (core dumped)

>>106099383
CachyOS with KDE

>>106100155
I heard Discover is no good on Arch

>have server
>establish a WireGuard tunnel to server
>can use any unsecure service over the tunnel securely
Why isn't Telnet a thing any more? SSH is bloat.

>>106100218
Because you can do that with just SSH and no extra kernel code.

Wireguard has become a full fledged buzzword.

>>106100218
wireguard doesn't protect telnet from network peers

What are the advantages/disadvantages of using the Debian Edition versus the regular release of Linux Mint.

>>106101129
Debian is for smart fellas and mint is for fart smellas

>>106100665
Who? Assuming the telnet server is listening to the VPN interface only.
>>106100597
>no extra kernel code
>kernel code
Most software run "without extra kernel code".
>Wireguard has become a full fledged buzzword
Ok what VPN software am I supposed to use?

I'm having problems with podman regarding files and folders permissions and ownership.
Despite setting PUID and GUID in docker compose to current use PUID/GUID, I still get some other PUID/GUID and get permessions issue.
Using sudo would just set the files/folders ownership to root.

Sorry for the late reply anons
>>106056789
Yeah, and I'm more used to that OS than the other, although there's absolutely nothing wrong with Debian
>>106056806
What can I say, I'm Mr Worldwide :D
>>106057251
Frankly, KDE Plasma has been kind of disobedient nowadays, stuff breaks every once in a while (I mean, it Krashes :D), and every time I want to restart I have to do it hard because doing Ctrl+Alt+Del or going to the start menu and selecting Restart doesn't open any kind of prompt. But I did literally switch OS's without deleting personal data, but maybe I should've securely wiped my SSD data first before installing this one
Or, maybe it's the BTRFS... Either way, sorry for the blog

debian bookworm anons, did you receive this
>Upgrade: openssh-client:amd64 (1:9.2p1-2+deb12u6, 1:9.2p1-2+deb12u7), libssl3:amd64 (3.0.16-1~deb12u1, 3.0.17-1~deb12u1), libssl3:i386 (3.0.16-1~deb12u1, 3.0.17-1~deb12u1), openssl:amd64 (3.0.16-1~deb12u1, 3.0.17-1~deb12u1)
upgrade yesterday? i can't find any information about new packages on the website. does the website provide outdated information?

>>106102099
Yeah I think I did. I'm on a Raspberry Pi with Raspberry Pi OS which is just Debian with some tweaks.

But yeah you're right, that's weird. On packages.debian.org it lists openssl as being of version 3.0.16, but the new version on my system is 3.0.17.

>>106102099
>>106102468
Okay actually openssl seems to have come from the bookworm-updates repo, and on the website it does indeed show version 3.0.17

https://packages.debian.org/bookworm-updates/openssl

Also it looks like 3.0.17 was a real release from OpenSSL, as seen on their GitHub

https://github.com/openssl/openssl/releases/tag/openssl-3.0.17

>>106101129
Debian ecosystem VS Ubuntu ecosystem.
>>106099428
Have you tried turning it off and on again?

>>106101129
LMDE is just Debian+Cinnamon where the Cinnamon DE is kept up-to-date.
There's no reason for you to use it over the Ubuntu version. Most people use regular Mint (so 99% of resources/discussion are not covering LMDE specifically) and there's some missing features in it. It's overall going to be a worse experience unless you're an advanced user who dislikes Ubuntu.

Can running make with multiple jobs in parallel fuck up building a program? Is there any reason not to just make -j$(nproc) every time?

>>106094969
It does not ask me if I want this or that feature up my ass.

>>106099383
Fedora KDE or snapless Kubuntu with xtradeb repo

>>106099383
Fedora KDE is really nicely integrated and easy to use. However Nvidia made using it miserable so I'm going to say the qualifier that it's only good if you don't have Nvidia.

>>106103301
Some rare cases require a single job build, read the README file.

>>106093940 (OP)
I've installed Fedora and have been using it for months but I found fedora installs on BTRFS by default later.

Is there a meaningful difference between BTRFS and EXT4? Should I just keep my system and not reinstall it?

https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software


kek

>>106101376
>Most software run "without extra kernel code".
Not wireguard.
>Ok what VPN software am I supposed to use?
You haven't established a use case for a full VPN.

>>106103649
btrfs will refuse to mount rw if your hardware is fucking up and eating data, and you'll blame it on btrfs
>Should I just keep my system and not reinstall it?
It's fine. If you don't use any special btrfs features you can just forget it's there.

>>106103909
>can use any unsecure service over the tunnel securely
I was simply throwing in Telnet as an extra. Can we get back to the point?

>>106099040
What can I expect?

so i've been using aurora for a couple weeks now its been a breeze but yesterday i've had an annoying issue where my pc went to sleep after a while with a game running. It ended up crashing absolutely everything forever and after much trial and error I could 'soft' reset kde by emptying a bunch of local settings and caches. Is there an easier way to do this? I don't want to set up all my user settings every time

>try to install cachy
>"The package manager could not make changes to the installed system. The command <pre>pacman</pre> returned error code 1"
>try everything I find online to fix it, nothing works
Maybe windows wasn't that bad after all

>>106103954
Broken package installation.
Broken themeing.
Broken access to files.
Hardware related issues that don't show until you use a certain combination.
It doesn't take much.

>>106103649
btrfs is better in every way other than read/write speed afaik. It's a COW system, so any duplicated file won't consume any space and it also has a built-in snapshot support which is very efficient. It also has a built-in data integrity check in case of disk corruption.
You should just stay on it.

>>106103995
Just rebooting your PC didn't help? I've never experienced this issue, the worst that happened to me was the panel freezing for 5 seconds, disappearing and re-appearing and fixing itself.
If you can reproduce this you should record it and submit a bug report or something. I think they have both a forum and a discord server.
Currently it's unclear if your hardware was failing, if there's a bug in KDE or Aurora itself, or if your game has corrupted your home directory somehow.

>>106104004
Well it's an OS for hobbyists, not beginners. It never advertised being easy to use. In fact the lead of the project explicitly said "the user should be aware that there will be bugs and the user is expected to fix stuff".

>>106104004
I'm not surprised you found nothing, that information is so vague that trying to search for it would be an exercise in futility. You don't troubleshoot with this little information.

I don't really know if the cachyOS livecd keeps a log of what it's doing, but that's what you need.

>>106104037
Pasmashell crashed and restarted resulting into so many crash windows opening i couldnt really press the button because it kept going out of focus if you get me. But in the end I could empty the caches of KDE related things thanks to some googling and that worked. Tried to roll back and a tonne of nvidia related things that didnt work before that

>>106104037
>It never advertised being easy to use
The web literally states "Provide you better speed, security and ease of use" and the installer says the system was made with an easy install in mind. I wouldn't mind having to tinker a bit on my system, but having to do that on a livecd is simply absurd.

>>106104114
You normally wouldn't have to do that. It's very obviously some serious error that happened while it was trying to install. I've installed CachyOS several times to test and the installer worked exactly as advertised every single time.
The problem with cachyOS being "user friendly" is that it has a GUI based installer which doesn't spam garbage into a console in your face much unlike arch so if something goes wrong, you have no idea what that is and why it happens unless you find whatever log it writes of the install.

You don't HAVE to do any tinkering. This is clearly some kind of a fuckup and it might not even have anything to do with Cachy. Maybe your hardware is bricked and unstable, idk. You haven't revealed enough information to determine anything. If that happened to me I'd be sweating pretty hard trying to figure out what the fuck is wrong with my computer.

>>106104080
I don't assume you have any crash logs? Those would usually tell you the first point of failure.
Also, when was the last time you updated the OS?
Usually deleting cache shouldn't revert your settings. You probably deleted some other configuration files as well, which is something you shouldn't really do anyways.

>>106104114
I mean sure, "ease of use" compared to Arch. But it's not really a distro anyone would call "easy to use" when compared to other more "normie" distros.

>>106102099
>>106102468
https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/o/openssl/openssl_3.0.17-1~deb12u1_changelog

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openssl

https://packages.debian.org/source/bookworm-updates/openssl

Found the log
>installing linux-cachyos (6.16.0-3) breaks dependency 'linux-cachyos=6.16.0-3.1' required by linux-cachyos-nvidia-open
That seems to be the problem, but I have no idea of how to fix it

>>106104435
Perhaps
uninstall linux-cachyos-nvidia-open
install linux-cachyos 6.16.0-3
reinstall linux-cachyos-nvidia-open

>>106104435
My guess is the people doing the packages are dumb. That's probably going to be a temporary error. I don't see why they aren't installing nvidia driver using dkms either. You would fix this by not installing the nvidia driver, but I don't know if that's an option for the installer.

>>106104435
Looks like the mirror is out of sync. Wait a bit and try again. Maybe

>>106104227
>I don't assume you have any crash logs?
I do
Those would usually tell you the first point of failure.
It said something about being unsure which process it caused and then a whole bunched failed. Alas it works again now.

Would just like to know if there are like small backups I can make in the case my system tries to eat itself again?

Currently running Linux for the first time (Mint) in a live session.

Is it normal to have no sound?

>>106104435
So they fucked up packaging dependencies (typical for Arch distros).
Revert your system back to the last snapshot. An "easy to use" distro would have snapshots set up automatically. Even Manjaro has snapshots.

>>106104563
>if there are like small backups I can make in the case my system tries to eat itself again?
Of course. I think Aurora ships with "Btrfs Assistant". You can use the Snapper utility to set up automatic daily or weekly snapshots. If something gets fucked up, just recover from the last working snapshot.
Just keep in mind that this is not a backup. If you disk is failing it's not going to recover you from that failure. But in your use case (files corrupted due to some software failure) it should be able to help.

>>106104588
Not really. Check your output devices and see if perhaps an incorrect one is selected as a default.

>>106104621
>Not really. Check your output devices and see if perhaps an incorrect one is selected as a default.

It's only showing my monitor with the HDMI cable. The headphones I have plugged in aren't being detected.

How do I change the lock password for qbittorrent? I know what the password is after messing around with it for a few minutes. I just want to change it to something else.

>>106104800
What connection are you using? 3.5mm, USB or bluetooth?
It could be some obscure issue that gets resolved when you update the system after installing it. So there's a chance that it's just a live usb issue.

>>106104896
I found this, hope it helps:
>Just kill the process.
>Delete entire [Locking] section in config file.
>Open the qbit, and click Lock UI.
>It would prompt you about setting a new password

>>106105236
That did it. Thanks!!

I got the newer switchboard dependency.
What the fuck do I do?

>>106105255
Noice. Glad it worked.

>>106105378
>that letter spacing
How the fuck are you even reading this text without losing your mind?

>>106105444
that's why I want to install all the packages I need
at this point I'm thinking of just switching to Elementary but this laptop doesn't have any USB-A ports

>>106099428
Just now tried this config
>hwdec=vulkan
>gpu-api=vulkan
>gpu-context=x11vk
>vulkan-device="Quadro K1000M"
I can play a 60fps vp9 1080p video in mpv, and did not see any dropped frames. Additionally, nvidia-smi shows mpv as a process. That said, System Monitor never registers any GPU usage. But the big issue is this: I get screen tearing in the 60fps video.

I'm completing my dockerization, I need ansibleization now

why the fuck is it so hard to set up a live ISO directly from the drive? is there seriously no smarter way than trial and error through the terminal?
this shit is turning me off from continuing to use linux very fast everything is STILL very fucking wonky

>>106106152
>set up a live ISO directly from the drive?
What did they mean by this?

>>106106152
You mean creating a partition and "burning" a disk image onto it? I did this 7 years ago with UNetbootin. No need to fuck around with the terminal when you can just use a GUI.

>>106104934
3.5 mm jack. I'll play around with it for a bit before installing.

But I want to clarify something regarding the internal SSD and HDD. Am I good to just install Mint to the SSD and not worry about changing anything on the SSD? In the live session just now I was able to access files on my HDD (NTFS format).

I've seen people say not to bother with dual booting as a beginner.

>>106106307
yes, I'm trying to boot an ISO locally from a partition
reddit and various sites sure aren't helping since each one says to do something different and they all are clearly in an anti-GUI circlejerk

>>106106308
>changing anything on the SSD
Meant HDD (where I store my downloaded media, films, books etc)

>>106106308
>Am I good to just install Mint to the SSD
Sure. But, if there's any files on your SSD which you want to keep, remember to move them to the HDD.
>I've seen people say not to bother with dual booting as a beginner.
Eh, you can dual boot. But, if you're dual booting with Windows (especially W10 and later) each time you install a system update on Windows there's a chance that it will try to fuck up your boot loader and render your Mint partition unbootable. So, you'd have to manually recover it.
So it is a pain in the ass to dual boot.

>>106106347
>anti-GUI circlejerk
Ignore the retards, anon. If a GUI works fine then there's no reason not to use it aside from personal preference.
I'm 99% sure I used UNetbootin to make a bootable partition. There's a 1% chance it was Rufus instead. I was installing Linux onto a very fucking old system which couldn't boot from USB and didn't have a CD drive.
It was basically 7-8 years ago so I don't remember the steps, but I think it was something along the lines of
>create a partition (I was on Windows 7 so I just used the Windows disk manager)
>run unetbootin
>select the partition as the place to install an .iso
It shouldn't be too complex.

>>106106438
I tried unetbootin and it can only mount to root so I guess that's not it, also didn't expect I'd have to build it from AUR as it's a pretty common program
I'm gonna try extracting the ISO to a new partition and booting from that instead of trying to boot from the ISO itself

Opinion: "everything is a file" is a meme and would be undesirable in a new operating system

>>106106478
>didn't expect I'd have to build it from AUR as it's a pretty common program
Can't you just download the official binary file from their website?
https://github.com/unetbootin/unetbootin/releases/download/702/unetbootin-linux64-702.bin

>>106106529
It's literally the only good thing about Linux.

>>106096031
I had that problem about a month ago after the power went out. Then a few weeks ago i helped another anon with the same problem

>>106096031
Why is this not automated

>>106106564
I never once installed a binary on Linux, but again I've only ever been using it on-and-off, mostly because of bullshit like this
but it's actually more up to the ultrabook a friend basically gifted me, it has no USB-A ports and I'm going fucking insane trying to use it

>>106106347
> write a new partition
> extract image
> add some grub line
It's simple, not sure if there is "friendly" UI

>>106096221
They finalized the on-disk format too soon. They're adding a new database for zoned IO which will also make parity RAID just work. It already has worked reliably for a while if you understand what the current implementation does.

>>106106700
Because the whole point of btrfs is you don't silently ride through errors without alerting the user to data loss.

>>106106700
>why doesn't it silently ignore the problem

>install Ubuntu 24.04
>everything works fine except for the file picker which doesn't show thumbnails, which is kind of a big deal because I spend way too much time on 4chan
>install Ubuntu 25.04
>thumbnails and file picker are fixed but now I can't change my User profile picture for the login screen
I hate being autistic about little shit like this, but I also kind of hate GNOME

>>106107046
u need plasma in ur life

>>106107046
>thumbnails and file picker are fixed
impossible

>>106107046
>I can't change my User profile picture for the login screen
One of the most irrelevant features in the pc world.

>>106103939
SSH forwarding alone is sufficient for that.

>>106107077
nope

>>106107055
What distro do you recommend for the best Plasma experience?

>>106107061
kek
I know. While looking into this I read that apparently that has been reported for like... 20 fucking years, but as far as I can tell it genuinely works fine now.

>>106107077
But without it my computer name and its whole theme are incomplete...

>>106107088
No it isn't. Are you saying people do VPNs just for the lulz?

>>106107009
>the solution is to boot into a different system, copy-paste a command, and reboot back
Are you retarded? How is this not "ignoring the problem"?

>>106107105
>What distro do you recommend for the best Plasma experience?
Anything Fedora or Arch based.

>>106107105
>but as far as I can tell it genuinely works fine now.
can you post some screnshots?

>>106107105
>What distro do you recommend for the best Plasma experience?
Depends on how up to date you want to be in regards of features.
>Debian
If you're ok with an old version of Plasma and if your hardware is old enough.
Some anons will bash against Plasma Debian because it is still on 5.x but it's solid as fuck, I use it daily on my workstation.
>Arch
This is the best up to date Plasma experience, just keep an eye on archlinux's release notes and don't blindly upgrade packages

>>106107105
>What distro do you recommend for the best Plasma experience?
https://getaurora.dev/en

>>106107147
>Arch
>best
>experience
Arch is a distro for people without a life.

>>106107158
this is a friendly GNU/Linux thread so please shut the fuck up
thank you

Why do people here hate SElinux? Why is it bad?

>this is a friendly GNU/Linux thread so please shut the fuck up
>thank you

>>106107196
I'm unable to give you too many details because I'm not versed but from I have experienced it enforces some security policies that most of the time get in your way and are meaningless/pointless

Anons feel free to correct me on this one

>>106106679
>affected kernel versions are 6.15.3 and 6.15.4
Were you also on one of these?

>>106107107
It is unless it can't be TCP or there's a performance constraint.
>Are you saying people do VPNs just for the lulz?
Yes. Retards here install samba and firewalls in full fat Docker containers with web UI. Of course they use a full VPN in lieu of simple command line software that comes with every distro.

i have last cumed more than two (2 ) days ago and i currently have to piss (really badly). i love fedora (and alcohol)

>>106107196
g hates anything with a learning curve because it triggers their inferiority complex. SELinux is fine but has very little relevance to desktop users.

I'm surprised, Libvirt has come a long way since last time i tried it for Windows guests. If you're fine with 2D acceleration, it's even easier than Virtualbox. You can even set up a shared directory through a couple of clicks with Virt-manager now.
I kneel, freetardbros.

>>106107217
it's not meaningless or pointless, but it is quite complex and hard to get into. If you just use the policies provided by your distro that wouldn't be a problem, but I can't tell you how good those are.

I downloaded a few different files (1-2gb) through different browsers and download managers to non-OS drives but somehow each download is writing 300-500mb to the OS drive, is this normal?

I did a big download (300gb) before and noticed a lot of writes (100gb) to the OS drive despite it not being written to it.

>>106107046
Just install Kubuntu 24.04 LTS and you'll have a just works distro

>>106107306
what amazes me the most is how easy it is to passthrough PCI devices, that's a total game changer

>>106107273
>can't be TCP
Yes, there's UDP too.
And IMO SSH tunnels break a lot.
>Retards here install samba and firewalls in full fat Docker containers with web UI
But couldn't one SSH tunnel into that specific web UI port? idk shit about containers though. Or why would anyone do *firewalling* in one.

>>106107324
Kubuntu sucks, fuck snaps and debian based distros

what are the actual differences between linux and macos?
afaik macos does have more software like adobe and is moderately worse for privacy (though not remotely as bad as current winblows). macs are optimized for macos so obviously hardware compatibility and battery drain are improved. but is that all as far as differences go?
I mean general usage (ie you'll dig through terminal a bunch), not nitpicks (but X doesn't have the terminal _I_ like!"

>>106107356
>linux
>fast
>not bloated
>you have control of your system
>macos
>slow as fuck
>CIA spyware
>you don't have freedom over your system
>can't install old shit

I don't really know what else I expected out of modern /g/
guess I'll just ask AI sloppa, cheers frogniggers

>>106107356
Linux makes your computer do what you say. MacOS makes your computer do what Apple says.

>>106107356
you have to be more specific about your question, underneath they're very different from each other
but rom an end-user perspective I see the following
>locked vs open ecosystem
mac is designed to be fool-proof at the expense of apple controlling all the ui meaning that there's little to non customization, linux is the complete opposite, of course being closed has some advantages like there's only a couple of ways to install/run software so it makes everything more tightly integrated
>hardware
mac only runs on mac hardware (also on intel but that's deprecated now), linux is the complete opposite, it can run on your mom's asshole, of course that gives apple the chance to optimize it quite a lot
>privacy
you can already guess

>>106107395
hah frog

>>106107343
1. Ubuntu and other Debian-based distros just work
2. If you don't like snaps then don't use them. Install Firefox as a deb from Mozilla's official repo (details on their website) then uninstall the Firefox snap.

>>106107196
Leftist! SElinux is the very best America that keeps computers safe.

>>106107193
>t. no life

>>106107511
If the NSA is going to put a backdoor in the kernel, they're not going to put it in a basic state machine that anyone who works on the kernel can understand.

>>106093940 (OP)
XFCE sure used to be way dif than it is now.

>>106107601
it means that NSA makes use of SELinux

>>106106870
yeah I was being retarded
I ended up just buying a 64GB USB-C stick and an A-C adapter in the pc hardware store across the street, figured I was gonna need them anyhow

is there an arch package that will essentially install a bunch of emulators?

>>106107762
why would there be one?

>>106107324
How closely does Canonical monitor what goes on with the official flavors?
I know that Kubuntu has been around for a while, and I doubt the community working on it is going to suddenly go rogue and piss all their work away, but still.

>>106107780
save me five minutes typing in the names of various emulators into a pacman command

>>106107762
>ES-DE
>Retroarch
>Pegasus

Is there a way to stream audio from one machiine to another over local network?
Both machines are running pipewire.

>>106108156
Audio relay

>>106108220
what is that, fish pepe?

>>106108156
Try VLC

>>106108340
Not like ffmpeg+vlc
That has very sever latency.
I was thinking of native solution with pipewire

>>106108340
pajeet

>>106108262
Yes anon, fish pepe.

>>106108340
>stream audio =/= stream file

>>106108456
>lacking basic English comprehension

>>106108470
Sorry about that anon

>>106108458
>vlc can only interact with mp3s

>>106107196
Apparently its pretty annoying to get working from scratch or to modify. Personally I havent disabled it and I have yet to deal with issues caused by it.

>>106108156
I tried asking AI this question and while it spitted commands that do sound legit.
It was made up comands
pipewire doesn't have pw-send/pw-rec

>>106107785
Who knows. If you're as paranoid as I am you could just install the standard Ubuntu desktop image, which comes with GNOME, then just install KDE Plasma from Ubuntu's repos. Also sign up to Ubuntu Pro so you get more security updates.

>>106108751
>you could just install the standard Ubuntu desktop image, which comes with GNOME, then just install KDE Plasma from Ubuntu's repos
Yeah, I'm thinking about doing this actually.
I've read that sometimes it's wonky because it doesn't delete the other DE and sometimes shit breaks but I might as well at least give it a try.
>sign up to Ubuntu Pro so you get more security updates.
Are those relevant for desktop users?
I thought they were more of a server thing.

Is openbox cool? I always see tiling wm's getting all the attention from ricers and the desktop threads, but never stuff like openbox. Does it suck for a daily driver?

>>106108597
OK, how to do it smartass?

>>106108976
openbox is even better than tiling.
Just try mabox

>>106108976
>Does it suck for a daily driver?
Take a look at what lxde and maybe lxqt use.

>>106108808
>I've read that sometimes it's wonky because it doesn't delete the other DE and sometimes shit breaks but I might as well at least give it a try.
Installing a 2nd DE won't uninstall the 1st DE but if you set up the 2nd DE properly (with a display manager and log in screen) then I guess you can just uninstall the 1st DE.
>Are those relevant for desktop users?
>I thought they were more of a server thing.
I think Pro gives you more security updates for the universe repo. I think I got some extra patches for ffmpeg which is in the universe repo. See here:
>Security patching for Ubuntu Universe repository for 10 years
https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro

Another option I guess is to just install Debian since it's pretty similar to Ubuntu. The latest version of Debian comes out in the next few days so then you would have more recent packages than the current version of Debian. Also there are Debian install images for a few different DEs including KDE Plasma so then you'd have that set up straight away: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

>>106094003
this looks better thqn a flesh xfce install, insane.

>>106108156
using nc.
It's what I use

>>106108976
Openbox is pretty good.
Personally i would recommend fluxbox or pekwm.

>>106093940 (OP)
virtIO is ass to setup on a windows guest. I tried so many ways and versions to make the C: drive use virtiofs, but the disk is not detected during installation.
I settled for just a shared mountable virtiofs partition that maps to a folder on my debian machine, but that means the system is slow and installation of programs takes ages.
Anyone has a good guide for the best way to set up a windows 10 guest with virtiofs and a shared folder using virt manager? Is this the right place to ask?

>>106109259
>Another option I guess is to just install Debian since it's pretty similar to Ubuntu. The latest version of Debian comes out in the next few days so then you would have more recent packages than the current version of Debian.
I do want to give Debian a try. I am pretty curious about how pure, base Debian works, it sounds comfy.

>>106109709
You're in for a very stable experience. You shall name the tiny bugs you find and say your goodbyes on the next system upgrade.

>>106109709
Really debian isn't really a distro anynmore.
Most things keep updating too fast by the time they release a new version, the packages are already deprecated.

>>106109283
Yeah, when I saw OPs image, I was blown away with how near perfect it was.

>>106109733
>You're in for a very stable experience.
So I've heard.

>>106109741
>Really debian isn't really a distro anynmore.
What is it then?

>>106109709
It's incredibly comfy, you must be aware though that it comes with some caveats, like most software targeting ubuntu which can create conflicts between dependencies.
Worth saying is that Debian is really better suited for servers and hosts whose underlying operating system doesn't need to change that often, think a virtualization host or container host. I like to have Debian on my servers and Arch on my desktops/laptops

>>106109646
try >>>/g/hsg/
>but the disk is not detected during installation.
Windows needs virtio drivers at installation time for the drive to be detected
In order to pull this through the correct way you need to setup iSCSI, drop virtio, it's not designed for this while iSCSI is

>>106104435
vanilla arch chads stay winning

>>106110264
idk why anons keep shilling cachy and other derivatives while vanilla arch just werks

>>106108976
It's comfy, I've used it for a couple of years and only dropped it because it's not as customizable as other wms

>>106110282
yeah you may get a couple of extra frames a second but at what cost lol

>>106107734
I reinstalled Elementary and I'm actually pretty impressed at how polished it is

fuck I hate Intel, my laptop is so responsive with mitigations=off and once I turn them on then it starts to suffer, fuck my life

>>106110282
The derivatives seem pretty pointless to me
>its X, but with a twist
I'd rather have the base distro instead of adding layers of possible issues by introducing middlemen. Its not like what they usually add is hard to slap into your own distro by yourself.

>>106110580
On the one hand they tried to make Itanium the new thing, which was the correct move because it doesn't have these problems. On the other hand it was just as kiked with patents amd64 is with mitigations.

>>106107326
If all you need is a an Excel VBA box all you have to do is right click your way through two wizards and install the guest drivers on the VM, at this point i can't find any use case for Virtualbox (using any advanced feature with Oracle shitware like 3D acceleration is practically pointless without paying, but is an inferior experience overall, might as well set PCI Passthrough by hand and save money and the tootache of checking if Jeetbox's random kmods don't break with your kernel every week).

What's the best alternative to MPC-HC on linux?

>>106110801
mpv

>>106110801
mpv is the most popular one, you might pick a frontend for it if you really need a big ui
vlc otherwise

>>106110253
Thanks for the link.
>at installation time
This is the crux of my problem. I think I deleted a paragraph somewhere. I downloaded many versions of virtio @ fedora people website and mounted them, but the installer doesn't detect any suitable driver even if I select the folder manually.
SonI have two uses for virtio;
>shared folder
>fast FS for C:\
And I have many problems:
>win installer can't find driver
>post install (on non virtio fs), the virtio archive has no virtiofs executable
>executable files can't run from the shared folder
>sometimes have to remount shared folder because of 0 byte copied to C:\

does anyone use the cuda toolkit linked in the rpmfusion wiki? any issues with it or bad experiences updating, be it regular updates or updating to the next point release?

>cachyos fresh install
>kde
>firefox open
>6.9Gb of memory
Is this normal?

this is bullshit

>>106111292
Indeed. Cache bad, every application should access the ssd directly constantly.

>>106111179
On planet nVidia maybe

>>106111292
My favorite part is where linux will unironically stick cache in swap instead of dropping it on the most distros default swapiness.

>>106111647
there is a reason i dont use swap

>>106103506
>>106103588
My techless friends aren't gonna know how to get codecs, NVIDIA drivers, or Steam on Fedora.
>>106100155
CachyOS is nearly there, but my friends aren't gonna to know to install pamac.

>>106103506
>>106103588
My techlet friends aren't gonna know how to get codecs, NVIDIA drivers, or Steam on Fedora.
>>106100155
CachyOS is nearly there, but my friends aren't gonna to know to install pamac; it really needs to be preinstalled.

>>106112044
Sounds like you want to give your friends Aurora, Bazzite or wait until SteamOS officially releases as a live ISO.

>>106112068
The problem with those three is that they're immutable and thus Flatpak-only. I really don't want them complaining about apps being slow or taking up too much space. Again, if CachyOS came with pamac preinstalled then it'd be a no-brainer.

>>106112176
Aurora and Bazzite come with Homebrew, which is a binary package manager that comes from macOS. IIRC the Discover that comes with Aurora includes the Homebrew installers alongside the Flatpak ones.

>>106112176
>hey retard, copy paste this after you install your os
Thats what I'd say instead of walking in circles.

>>106111179
>"memory"
As in cached and virtual and everything? Yes.
>>106110580
Do we even need mitigations?

>trying to run umodel to rip some unreal engine game assets
>"error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
>libpng12 isn't in linux mint repo
>skim this article for solution https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/05/fix-libpng12-0-missing-in-ubuntu-1804.html
>says I can just download deb from link and it should work
>dowload libpng12-0_1.2.54-1ubuntu1.1+1~ppa0~kinetic0_amd64.deb and install
>everything looks like it should work now
>run umodel and still get same error
what do I do now?

>>106112232
You overestimate the bravery of certain retards. Techlets don't want to do anything that could be seen as manipulating the system itself: installing Steam on Windows is fine enough for them, but tell them to install a "package manager" (through a text-based installer no less) and they'll be confused and ask "Why doesn't the system already just do updates normally?" They're going to worry that they'll break their system, and then turn away.
>>106112202
I tried Bazzite in a VM but it didn't have Discover; I've just tried Aurora in a VM and while it has Discover, it's Flatpak-only. I'm thinking Manjaro would be the best choice for my friends since it comes with codecs, a GUI package manager, and isn't Flatpak/Snap-based.

>>106112426
you could try and find where that file is and ensure its the correct lib folder for your given distro (most likely /usr/lib), move it if its the wrong folder, or pass it as env variable and see if it works
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=[folder where the file resides] umodel

>>106112489
>they are your friends
>yet they dont trust you at all even if you explain yourself
You're wasting your time.

>>106112529
I got this
>error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64

>>106112529
>>106112674
I forgot to say I used this command
>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ ./umodel

>>106093940 (OP)
I would like to make an .iso that is a clone of my current linux mint setup. I'm also a little retarded. Is there an easy way to do this?

really just too stupid to get hdr to work with mpv. wow.
https://github.com/Zamundaaa/VK_hdr_layer
installed this

vo=gpu-next
target-colorspace-hint
gpu-api=vulkan
gpu-context=waylandvk
put this in mpv.conf

edited bashrc to include export ENABLE_HDR_WSI=1

now I need to look through a mpv log and try to figure out why it's not working

enabled the HDR option on kde. man I was so fucking stupid to trust anyone who said they had HDR working now

how do i fix this

>>106112709
Try this:
sudo mount /dev/beef1 /mnt/beef

>>106112674
I havent dealt with elf errors before but it seems like the file is compiled for 64bits and its expecting 32bits, grab the other one from your link

So I have this strange problem. Whenever I (re)start my computer, the HDMI audio output doesn't work. I figured out that in KDE, if I set the audio playback device to off and then back on again in the GUI, the audio starts working. I've done that for quite a long time but as I always turn off my computer when it's not in use I finally got sick of doing that.

So I read into what setting the playback device to "off"/"Play HiFi quality Music" actually does in the GUI. It sets the profile of the audio card, so I wrote a script that sets it off and back on again and added it as a login script (pactl set-card-profile $card $profile) .
This works around the problem, but what's the actual fix for HDMI audio not working after booting?

>>106112840
KDE has some "integration services" and with KDE6 we are back in the old *krash* meme.

Pipewire is also known to be buggy, sometimes it wants both alsa-, pulse plugins despite being able to play just fine.

But that's just guessing on general bugs.
Read the logs, maybe you can fix it (journalctl, dmesg)

So I've decided to try GNU/Linux for gaming and as a daily driver but I can't seem to choose a distro. I think I've narrowed it down to two choices:
- Arch because its widely used and my friends keep telling me that I'd like it
- Nobara because its made for gaming and I saw somewhere posting better FPS than Windows (apparently its just modified Fedora?)
- Supposedly Bazzite is exclusively for gaming and doesn't work for a daily driver? idk
My only other experience with Linux is running Ubuntu on another machine so I could work with some native software. I'm guessing that's not worth much.

>>106112914
Arch is the more do it yourself kind of distro, Nobara comes with some shit preinstalled.
That's it, it's pretty much the same otherwise and personal preference.
I dunno why these immutable distros like bazzite are popular with some people, might be a vocal minority.

I come to this frenly thread, in a cry of help, as a burnt out C programmer.
What do I do in order to reignite my passion for UNIX/C?

>>106110282
ease of use, anon. Having to use a cli to install your OS is a huge filter for most people.

>>106112426
set up distrobox with an older distro which is known to work with your ripping software

>>106112796
>grab the other one from your link
The 32bit version(libpng12-0_1.2.54-1ubuntu1.1+1~ppa0~eoan_i386.deb) wouldn't even install

>>106112914
>Supposedly Bazzite is exclusively for gaming and doesn't work for a daily driver? idk
Huh? No? You can use it as a normal desktop OS just fine. It just comes with Steam and Lutris pre-installed.
Bazzite will probably be the best choice for you as a new user. Nobara is close second.
>Arch
Don't. It's a distro for a specific type of "power users".

how do I backup my Steamgames? I'm about to distro hop and I don't wanna redownload my entire library of 100 gigs or so.Thanks

>>106112941
Make something retarded. Drop your self imposed rules.

>>106112977
I refuse to learn how to do that

>>106112914
>Nobara
Nobara is an alpha OS that should not be used. Yes, it is a modified Fedora, and it saves you maybe 10 minutes of setup time compared to regular Fedora...and then wastes HOURS of your time in the long-term because its updating utility is slow as shit. It's absolutely terrible and I can't recommend it to ANYBODY apart from testers.
>Bazzite [...] doesn't work for a daily driver?
Bazzite isn't ideal as a daily driver because it uses Flatpaks instead of regular packages; Flatpaks have larger filesizes and more CPU/RAM overhead. Flatpaks aren't going to cripple your system by any means as it's still going to be way faster than Windows, but anything non-gaming is completely secondary on Bazzite by design.
>Arch
Arch-based distros have comfortable GUI installers that get you the defaults you already want anyway; there is really no point in using vanilla Arch unless you want skid credit. CachyOS is my recommendation for an Arch-based distro as it has sane defaults, codecs, drivers - whatever - as well as compiler optimisations for modern CPUs.

>>106112914
A distro made for "gayming" isn't going to give you more fps, it just comes with gayming apps pre-installed. it's better to use a normal distro.

>>106113026
>Bazzite isn't ideal as a daily driver because it uses Flatpaks
It's actually the opposite. That's what makes it ideal. Like it or not, using Flatpaks/Appimages is vastly superior to using your distro's packages.
Distro packages are an obsolete and inferior way of software delivery aside from actually giving you low-level stuff like drivers and your DE.
An average user should absolutely use Flatpaks for all their GUI software, unless an Appimage would be more appropriate. Or, more specifically, the user should use whatever the actual software developer distributes instead of whatever the distribution maintainers compile and distribute.

>>106113009
Will actually try. Thank you.

>>106113076
Flatpaks have superior delivery, yes. But once they are actually installed, they are inferior.

>>106113003
If you have a separate drive or partition that isn't going to get wiped you can move them there.

Menu bar, Steam > Settings > Storage
You should be able to add the second storage location, and move what you've downlaoded there.

>>106112980
>install
Extract it and point the library path to the extracted location, we're going off track anyway by attempting to use unsupported libs so might as well see where this goes.

What's the consequence of compiling Radeon OpenGL drivers without llvm?

>>106113076
>Distro packages are an obsolete and inferior way of software delivery aside from actually giving you low-level stuff like drivers and your DE.
Everything should be as low-level as possible, and distribution maintainers have made it just as easy to get updates as with Flatpaks.

>>106113089
>But once they are actually installed, they are inferior.
There is no noticeable difference between a flatpak and a native package.

>>106113113
>Everything should be as low-level as possible
Sure, in fantasy land.

>>106113129
>There is no noticeable difference between a flatpak and a native package

>>106113026
Doesn't sound like any of them are great then, what distro would you suggest for my case?

>>106113129
>fantasy land
This "fantasy land" happens to be the reality of Linux, provided you're not using Debian/Ubuntu repos.

>>106113134
>1-3 extra seconds to open the app
>noticeable difference
In any case, 99.99% of your time is spent on using software, not opening it.

>>106113141
Bazzite or Nobara. Ignore the other guy, he's clearly just a purist of some sort.

>>106113141
CachyOS with KDE Plasma. It simply works out of the box and is awesome. The only thing I consider a necessary post-install setup is installing pamac but after that it's all done.

>>106113185
>CachyOS
this is a distro for advanced users and tinkerers, not beginners or people who want to use an OS which "just works".

>>106113193
??????????????????????????????
It comes with codecs, drivers, a DE, etc. What the hell do you need to tinker with to make it work?

>>106113185
do not install pamac-aur unless you know what you're doing.

New thread >>106113200

>>106113230
What are you talking about.

>>106113198
You've literally just posted an image where you're tinkering with it. And AUR is definitely not something an average person should use.
Even if you think this is an "optional" thing to enable, the fact is that an entire GUI for tinkering with the OS launches immediately after you install it. That's definitely not beginner friendly and just causes pointless confusion. And from what I remember you're also shown a bunch of options that mean nothing to you (as a new user) during the install process, like picking the bootloader.

>>106113141
His only real point is bazzite and flatpaks. Its an immutable distro based on one of the fedora spins if you're interested in reading more.
The descriptions in this post >>106112937 are correct. Should be noted that most distros are capable of doing the same, the frequency at which you get software updates and default configs are what usually changes. Both arch and fedora(including fedora derivatives) get updates pretty fast and all of them have access to flatpaks, they're just an alternative method instead of the primary one.
personally i'd go for nobara out of your list, but i'm the kind of guy that avoids flatpaks if its possible

>>106113233
You should not use the aur unless you know what you're doing. And aur helpers abstract the difference between aur and normal packages away from you so shouldn't be used unless you know what you're doing.

>>106113249
>You've literally just posted an image where you're tinkering with it.
That is about as much tinkering as installing any other program like Steam.
>And AUR is definitely not something an average person should use.
Ah, so you've never used CachyOS, have you? "pamac-aur" is the name of a package that's part of...........THE CACHYOS REPO. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE THE AUR.
>the fact is that an entire GUI for tinkering with the OS launches immediately after you install it
Every single distro apart from LfN has a welcome screen. In fact, even that might have had one. Don't want to tinker? Don't click on the tinkering buttons. Simple.
>like picking the bootloader
Either click "Next" or google the difference if you really care.

>>106113264
PAMAC-AUR IS PART OF THE CACHYOS REPO LOL

I will NEVER install cachy

>>106112937
>I dunno why these immutable distros like bazzite are popular with some people
Stable system updates and less chances of new users fucking things up. They're literally 0 maintenance operating systems, which is ideal unless maintaining your OS is a hobby of sorts.
Similar to how Android/iOS almost never require user intervention after applying a system update. Meanwhile, Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora and even some "beginner" distros like Mint and Manjaro will sometimes require user intervention before or after a system update.
I mean, like it or not it seems to be the future of desktop OSs for many people.

>>106113134
Still looks edited.
On my old tower (2016, debian bookworm)
Firefox 0,86s - Appimage 3,23s.

>>106113168
X seconds is a huge difference or do like a slow and laggy computer?

>>106113282
>Description: A Gtk frontend, Package Manager based on libalpm with AUR and Appstream support
>AUR support
It lets you install shit from the aur which is the problem you retard.

>>106112704
I spent a few hours asking chatgpt and grok shit but then I realized I was in hell so I decided maybe I should use another media player. installed smplayer.
used this reddit guide.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mpv/comments/1l5n8gr/best_settings_for_smplayer_2025_update_gpunext/
oddly it has the multimedia engine use mpv and has this huge block of autism to run mpv commands I guess.
so I did all that and guess what. HDR works for videos! haha tried to get gamescope to do it but it kept cucking me only only played audio (though HDR for games works perfectly). anyway fuck everyone for making this so painful but I guess I'll keep using linux since I have now solved another gripe

>>106113302
AUR isn't even enabled by default you fucking idiot. Am I really arguing with stupid cunts who don't know what the fuck pamac is?

>>106113314
actually nevermind about the autism block. I gave it a read and he's retarded. but he quotes another autism block that looks right so it's all good

>>106113271
>"pamac-aur" is the name of a package that's part of...........THE CACHYOS REPO. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE THE AUR.
So what's it used for? What's the purpose of "pamac-aur"? Please, do tell.
>Either click "Next" or google the difference if you really care.
This should never even show up, that's the point. Either default it to something and let the user manually change it, or don't even have an option at all. Otherwise it's NOT a beginner-friendly distro. Doesn't matter that you consider this a "trivial issue", it's still pointless friction.

>>106113317
If pamac-aur is just a regular app store, what the fuck is the point of installing it when the distro already has Discover?
If you're installing pamac-aur you're suggesting that the average user should use AUR packages. Which is really fucking dumb.

>>106113299
>X seconds is a huge difference
It's literally 1 second. And startup times are completely irrelevant. The primary thing people want is the app to be fast and usable. Which flatpaks/appimages are more often than "native" packages. To 99% of people, having a 3 second startup time vs a 2 second startup time is irrelevant if it means they're getting a working app.

>>106113343
>Which flatpaks/appimages are more often than "native" packages.
This bullshit again. If your distros maintainers aren't shit this just isn't the case.

>>106113343
>what the fuck is the point of installing it when the distro already has Discover?
Oh my God. You really have never used CachyOS. Or any Arch-based distro, for that matter. I will not say this again: CachyOS does not come with Discover. In fact, no Arch-based distro does, because Discover is fundamentally incompatible with Arch. Can you please ensure your next reply has this exact quote in all caps so I understand you have received this information: CachyOS does not come with Discover. In fact, no Arch-based distro does, because Discover is fundamentally incompatible with Arch.
>If you're installing pamac-aur you're suggesting that the average user should use AUR packages.
No. I am not. I am suggesting they install a GUI package manager: one like pamac, which does NOT have AUR enabled by default, and WARNS YOU that there are risks with using the AUR.

>>106113377
>CachyOS does not come with Discover
That's just fucking retarded and a proof that it's a distro not suitable for beginners.
>Discover is fundamentally incompatible with Arch
That's objectively false and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>106113392
>That's just fucking retarded and a proof that it's a distro not suitable for beginners.
CachyOS makes it trivial to install pamac
>That's objectively false
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong. Wrong as fuck. So insurmountably wrong that you really need to shut the fuck up. Try installing Discover on Arch- or any Arch-based distro and tell me if anything other than Flatpaks show up. I'll wait.

>>106113343
So we are not people?! But your rant is covers 99% of people.. LOL

A second is relevant and the picture shows more shows more than one second, just like my own benchmark.
Flatpak are generally slower, due to the fact there are abstraction.

>>106113343
So we are not people?! But your rant covers 99% of the people.. LOL

A second is relevant and the picture shows more than one second, just like my own benchmark.
Flatpaks are generally slower, due to the fact there are more abstraction to it.

>>106113343
I tried a flatpak once and it stopped working after an update. Terrible experience.

>>106113400
>Wrong
Arch is a DIY distro, so every app is "fundamentally incompatible" with it because you're supposed to install and configure everything manually. Sure, that's true. Discover can be configured to show your native packages even on Arch.

The main problem here is that many people, including yourself, are suggesting CachyOS is a "beginner friendly" distro. This would imply that it's as easy to use as other beginner friendly distros (aforementioned Bazzite and Nobara).
However, the fact that you're suggesting to install a GUI package manager is literally conceding the point that it's "beginner friendly". Being "beginner friendly" would require CachyOS to ship with a capable GUI "app store" by default, while you're suggesting the user should manually install "pamac-aur".

Do you now understand the absurdity of your statements and opinions? An average computer user would not find CachyOS easy to use or intuitive.

>>106113407
>>106113431
>So we are not people
Yes. Believe it or not, a minority of random tinkerers are less relevant than 90%+ users.
>Flatpaks are generally slower
Again, you're literally just looking at how fast something opens. This is not a demonstration of real performance. You're not even using the software at all.
And, again, 99% of people don't give a fuck about launch speeds as long as they're under 5-10 seconds. Which is the case even in your "benchmark".

>>106113453
>However, the fact that you're suggesting to install a GUI package manager is literally conceding the point that it's "beginner friendly".
Was Windows user-unfriendly because it historically never came with a package manager (let alone a GUI one)? Never mind the fact that CachyOS, as shown in my screenshots, does have a GUI package manager; it's not a pretty one, but if you are going to install packages like Steam using a package manager, you may as well use said package manager to get a prettier package manager.

>>106113100
Somehow that actually worked. THANK YOU

>>106113453
>This would imply that it's as easy to use as other beginner friendly distros (aforementioned Bazzite and Nobara).
Also, your mention of Nobara is FUCKING RIDICULOUS given that Nobara is also incompatible with Discover. Discover support was dropped a while ago and Glorious Egg does not give a FUCK to make it work, instead forcing you to use his SHITTY and SLOW text-based package manager. You already proved to me that you've never used Arch-based distros, and here you are proving that you've never even used the very fucking Nobara you recommend.

>>106113168
You also have to store the bloated application on your drive. You also have to store all the runtimes/libraries/frameworks in memory MULTIPLE times, which is just stupid.
>>106113176
Have you even used Nobara?
>Discover doesn't work with Nobara
>The Nobara Package Manager doesn't let you UNINSTALL packages
>Updates are handled in a completely separate utility for some reason ("Update System")
>Update System is entirely text-based with no ETA, percentage, or anything useful
>If that weren't bad enough, Update System is fucking SLOW. It's slow at CHECKING for updates, and it's slow at INSTALLING them.

>>106113453
>99% of people don't give a fuck about launch speeds
It's one of the reasons why firefox lost users to chrome, the fuck are you talking about?

>>106113508
2 minutes to install 239MiB on a gigabit connection. What the fuck are the Nobara team doing?

>>106113508
>>The Nobara Package Manager doesn't let you UNINSTALL packages
it does though. you just click the box on anything installed then click apply and it will uninstall. HTH

>>106113476
>Was Windows user-unfriendly because it historically never came with a package manager
damn fucking yes. But people were better at using their pcs back then.

>>106113453
> Random tinkerer that does not use software.
Since you are just switching to personal attacks.
I give up..
There is no way to talk some sense into you.

>>106113508
also checking for updates just took me like 20 seconds (didn't need any) so maybe eggroll fixed things up. not sure how nobara is responsible for chrome/brave download speeds either. anyway you seem kind of obsessive so I hope you focus on your personal life more going forward. night!

>>106113544
>it does though
No, it doesn't. That checkbox is for choosing things to install.
>>106113545
Doesn't change the fact that you recommended Nobara over CachyOS despite having a text-based (and shitty) package manager with NO option for Discover or something.
>>106113580
>checking for updates just took me like 20 seconds (didn't need any)
I just loaded Discover on Fedora and it takes half that time. And actually downloading the updates was 6.15x faster.

>>106113627
>Doesn't change the fact that you recommended Nobara
I never recommended Nobara (or any other distro for that matter)

>>106113638
>I never recommended Nobara
Let's go back to this post: >>106113453
>The main problem here is that many people, including yourself, are suggesting CachyOS is a "beginner friendly" distro. This would imply that it's as easy to use as other beginner friendly distros (aforementioned Bazzite and Nobara).
Anyway, I thought you called it a night, fuckhead?

>>106113645
nta, genius.

>>106113654
Then you are not involved in the Nobara conversation.

>>106113476
>Was Windows user-unfriendly because it historically never came with a package manager (let alone a GUI one)?
Yes? It was.
>Nobara is also incompatible with Discover
Great, Bazzite also removed it in favor of Bazaar. It doesn't really matter to the point I'm trying to make nor does it matter to the end user as long as it looks good and works fine.
And yes, I'm still of the opinion that Nobara is easier to use than CachyOS. In any case, I'm primarily recommending Bazzite instead of Nobara as it's leagues ahead of any other Linux distro in terms of ease of use.
>You already proved to me that you've never used Arch-based distros
No, you already proved you're delusional, but me not using an Arch-based distro was never proved.

>>106113517
>It's one of the reasons why firefox lost users to chrome, the fuck are you talking about?
Firefox lost market share to Chrome primarily because Chrome was advertised on the only relevant search engine, it came pre-installed on every Android phone AND a lot of software installers bundled Chrome and auto-installed it. It had everything to do with marketing and nothing to do with actual quality of the web browser.
Sure, a small part of the reason people moved to it was because it was faster at rendering websites. But, a website is not an application. People don't mind their desktop app taking 5 seconds to open as long as it's performant when using it.

>>106113698
>Great, Bazzite also removed it in favor of Bazaar
Which Nobara doesn't have.
>And yes, I'm still of the opinion that Nobara is easier to use than CachyOS
Even though Nobara has a slow piece of shit package manager that doesn't even let you uninstall things? Even though updating the system and installing packages are two separate applications? Even though you can't get a prettier GUI package manager on Nobara whereas on CachyOS you can? You have uttered so much bullshit in this thread that it's foaming out the seams between your teeth. Throughout this thread, you have consistently commented on things you have absolutely no knowledge of, and, when shown evidence otherwise, you simply insisted your original position was right. Or, when you give ground (like Nobara being incompatible with CachyOS), you STILL make incredible logical contradictions like suggesting Nobara is easier to use than CachyOS anyhow, despite the impossibility of installing GUI package managers: a type of software you criticised CachyOS for merely not coming with, despite the option of installing one. You are so adamant on maintaining your original position that Nobara (which you've clearly never used) is somehow good because you heard idiots shill for it, that you are unable to face facts or even maintain consistent logic between your posts. Hell, you couldn't even commit to your earlier "night!". Show me where I am wrong.

>>106113698
>Great, Bazzite also removed it in favor of Bazaar
Which Nobara doesn't have.
>And yes, I'm still of the opinion that Nobara is easier to use than CachyOS
Even though Nobara has a slow piece of shit package manager that doesn't even let you uninstall things? Even though updating the system and installing packages are two separate applications? Even though you can't get a prettier GUI package manager on Nobara whereas on CachyOS you can? You have uttered so much bullshit in this thread that it's foaming out the seams between your teeth. Throughout this thread, you have consistently commented on things you have absolutely no knowledge of, and, when shown evidence otherwise, you simply insisted your original position was right. Or, when you give ground (like Nobara being incompatible with Discover), you STILL make incredible logical contradictions like suggesting Nobara is easier to use than CachyOS anyhow, despite the impossibility of installing GUI package managers: a type of software you criticised CachyOS for merely not coming with, despite the option of installing one. You are so adamant on maintaining your original position that Nobara (which you've clearly never used) is somehow good because you heard idiots shill for it, that you are unable to face facts or even maintain consistent logic between your posts. Hell, you couldn't even commit to your earlier "night!". Show me where I am wrong.

>>106113744
>Even though updating the system and installing packages are two separate applications?
Oh yeah, and there's a third program: FlatPost, for installing Flatpaks...despite the fact the Nobara Package Manager already lets you install Flatpaks. Make it make sense!

>>106113698
>People don't mind their desktop app taking 5 seconds to open as long as it's performant when using it.
I very much do mind if some small app like a calculator takes seconds to open.
As for firefox, losing market share (because the market expanded) is one thing. But firefox also lost users due to enshitification.

>>106113744
>that doesn't even let you uninstall things?
>you can't get a prettier GUI package manager on Nobara
> the impossibility of installing GUI package managers
These are false and you're lying. I won't engage with any of your further comments, but I'll reply to this one at least.
>updating the system and installing packages are two separate applications?
Non-issue. People don't mind this being the case on Android and iOS, for example. Same with Windows, which you've suggested is "user friendly" in one of your posts.
>Throughout this thread, you have consistently commented on things you have absolutely no knowledge of
False.
>when shown evidence otherwise
What evidence? That CachyOS devs didn't want to configure and package Discover and this somehow means "Arch is incompatible with Discover"? You're fucking delusional m8.
>suggesting Nobara is easier to use than CachyOS
That's true.
>You are so adamant on maintaining your original position that Nobara (which you've clearly never used) is somehow good
My position is that it's better than CachyOS, yes. And again, my original comment is this >>106112991, where I'm primarily recommending Bazzite given the 3 options Anon was looking into. I'm merely stating that, between Bazzite, Nobara and Arch, Nobara is the second best choice for that anon.
And yes, even with CachyOS in the picture, Nobara would still be the 2nd best choice there, with CachyOS being 3rd.
And yes, my position is still that CachyOS is absolutely NOT a beginner friendly distribution.

>>106113770
A calculator usually comes with your DE and takes only a second to open. And most calculators provided by flathub only take 1-2.5 seconds to open anyways, which isn't that big of a deal.
Quick calculations can be done instantly within your app menu/launcher.

>>106113847
>2.5 seconds to open
yes, that is a deal. The I don't want to use this shit kind of deal.
As much as I can enjoy some retro 90s feelings, the opening time of applications is not one of them.

>>106113847
>These are false and you're lying. I won't engage with any of your further comments, but I'll reply to this one at least.
mp4 related. The burden of proof is on you to debunk this mp4.
>Non-issue
It's an issue when it's SLOW AS FUCK! (>>106113508 >>106113524)
>That CachyOS devs didn't want to configure and package Discover
How about fucking Nobara, you moron? DISCOVER DOESN'T WORK WITH FUCKING NOBARA. CachyOS and Nobara both come with text-based package managers which we seem to agree are not user friendly. CachyOS's package manager is however significantly faster, and lets you install a GUI package manager instead. Show me Discover (or something as powerful as Discover) working on Nobara without any source conflicts before you pretend the (slow) Nobara UX is easier than a few clicks on the CachyOS Welcome Screen to install pamac. I have been kind enough to provide VISUAL EVIDENCE to back up my claims on multiple occasions, so instead of just dismissing them with what is effectively "no u", you should demonstrate that my visual evidence is invalid.

>>106109895
cuck flag

>>106113847
Did you get paid for the bullshit?

>>106114368
meant for >>106113744

>>106114594
Do you have a rebuttal to this MP4: >>106113957