>own a brick and mortar business
>need a website to more easily serve a subset of my customer base
>go online
>everything is so SEO'd and AI'd that I can't get a shred of useful information all the usual ways
Why is this so fucking hard? How can I pay one of you faggots to build me a website? I have like $50,000 set aside.
Oh yeah no indians

I've always heard it was easy to do yourself so I spent two weeks making a cat website and a coffee shop menu before realizing that handling passwords and payments was several years away and I should just pay someone

>>106094614 (OP)
>>own a brick and mortar business
Does it have a "business internet connection?"
Get a spare computer, put Linux on it, install an httpd (I like lighthttpd but pretty much anything will do) and put your web pages in /var/www/html/domain.com.

Register a domain name at a place like easydns (this costs ~$10/year) forward ports 80 and 443 to your spare computer. Set up lets encrypt if you want https.

If you're confused by any of this write this prompt to chatgpt

"make me a shell script to set up a website on Linux with <whatever you want> and install the web server for me." Then download the file and double click it in gnome.

>>106094653
If that's still too confusing for you just go to wix and click the "make me a website" button.

>>106094614 (OP)
I wouldn't feel comfortable charging you for that. It feels like ripping you off.

>>106094659
It's a little complex. I need several storefronts each with different subdomains and a dashboard corresponding to each storefront secured behind a login for my contractors to use. I feel like I need to pay a team to do this

>>106094709
Doesn't wix have an ai that does this? I'm pretty sure godaddy does but you should never ever use their stuff because they'll fuck you over 2 years later.

You could definitely have chagpt do this if you self host.

>>106094653
I'm not particularly worried about hosting. I set up a Minecraft server in 2014 so I could probably figure it out eventually. I'm just totally lost on the frontend described here >>106094709
>>106094703
Even something thing complex >>106094709? I don't know anything. I've found visiting the corresponding board and being called a retard is the quickest way to learn.

>>106094738
You seriously think I can do something this elaborate with automated tools? That's astonishing. Shows what I know. Thanks

>>106094614 (OP)
static website or interactive? static meaning no interactive elements/webapp type of features, just information for customers to browse.
I can help you out if you want static (I've done a fuck load of web design). message me on Discord: ionizationchannel_52224

>>106094745
If you want something beyond just a static page then you'll probably have to pay someone to create something custom, set it up for you, and maybe pay them to maintain it.

>>106094764
Extremely interactive I'm afraid. Storefront and several dashboards for contractors to manage orders between the end consumer and me.

>>106094766
How? That's my trouble. I have no experience and don't even know where to start.

>>106094796
I can try helping you out. message me and we can chat about it. starting cost would be $50 so I can buy some nicotine.

>>106094796
>Storefront
Use stripe, shopify, or square for this. Don't do it yourself or pay someone to do it.

>>106094828
>nicotine
OP besides Indians, you should also include addicts.

>>106094946
Including the dashboard behind a login? Keep in mind I know literally nothing
>>106095027
Noted lol

>>106095037
Most sites especially small business use Squarespace or Shopify and from what I read in this thread one of these two would suffice. Not sure the cost, but if small businesses have one I don't see it being that bad.

>>106095027
Any logical reason for that? I'd say an addict does good work to keep being fueled up.
I'd also prefer a diagnosed autist to anyone else because he will do his job at 2x the quality for no extra pay, most of them are even gullible enough to make them work for free for a few months.

>>106095027
>noooo you can't, like, do nicotine or whatever

>>106094614 (OP)
I generated a static html site using a html5 template and Gemini, took roughly a day: https://thetecwizard.co.uk

>>106097089
>https://thetecwizard.co.uk
>Biggleswade
Oh shit. I live in Dunton.

>>106097089
yo this guy's the real deal

>>106094614 (OP)
Learn to code fagget

>>106097240
I know most of the images are shit, I just used stock/generated images to get it up quickly.
>>106097171
I can see you

>>106094614 (OP)
If you're serious, then email me. I've many years of experience, posted a couple of my open source projects here, including Shrimple (better markdown alternative and static site generator) and ick (text editor). Can be found here: https://code.qount25.dev

I'm also a professional webshitter, so any kind of website you have in mind, can be done. Email at qount25 protonmail and let me know what you want. Please don't waste my time if it's bait or just talk.

>>106094614 (OP)
Unironically look up squarespace before one of these faggots scam you

>>106100389
ick author from the comment above. Unironically, so far it's been the other way round:
> anon says "need someone to do a job for me"
> contact anon, send him resume and links to projects
> anon: thanks, I don't have any money, thought you'd do it for free

>>106094614 (OP)
I'll build your website for less than that depending of the features you want.

I'm also white, if you are interested I'll give you a way to reach me.

>>106098839
Just promise not to bum me and we can hang out at the car wash, maybe we can spit on people, you know, for fun?

>>106094709
Isn't that basically the same e-commerce splitted in different subdomains?

>>106095027
Cigarettes are what put men on the moon you dumbass

>>106094614 (OP)
you need:
a dedicated server, that means any old computer, an old laptop would even work, or an old office machine, just pick something with an ethernet port that has more than 512M of ram (2-4 gigs are far more than enough)
you also need: a domain, if you actually want people to find you
you can buy domains and transfer them to freedns.afraid.org if you dont want to pay yourself stupid, but expect to hand out free subdomains to random people
alternatively, you can leech a subdomain for 0$/lifetime from freedns too, if you can find one you like.
now you need to actually set up your domain. forward ports 80 and 443, set up and configure nginx on your server (i'm assuming you already installed some GNU/Linux distro on your server beforehand, because hosting on winshit is basically impossible), make your (sub)domain point to your (ideally static) IP address, and get letsencrypt SSL certificates. now you should be able to reach your server over https://your.domain, because SSL should work.
you can now throw whatever HTML/CSS/etc.. you want at nginx, and it will simply serve that.
also, make sure to redirect all requests to port 80 to port 443, unless you want people to reach your site over plain unencrypted http as well. otherwise you only really need that for your SSL certificates.
here are some things you should know about:
JS is absolute fucking garbage, don't ever deal with it unless you absolutely have to, and if you do, only write a few lines of it manually, DO NOT rely on pajeet "frameworks" and other bullshit because they will make your website take 2 minutes to load, thanks to 50MiB of bloated bullshit just to render a fucking rounded-corner button with transparent edge shadows.
you can do 99% of all the things you need with HTML, CSS, and maybe some fcgi scripts. if you want to hire someone to do this job for you, don't hire a "web dev" or "web designer", hire a sysadmin.
oh and make sure you update/reboot your server once in a while.

>>106102569
Anon, he's running a business, he's not some crazy self-host hobbyist. I'm not saying that he needs to go all cloud kubernitis bullshit (I personally would never advocate it), but hosting it on an old pc at home is just dumb unless you actually have various applicable skills and even then I don't see any potential benefit. A VPS or a dedicated server is the correct choice. Also, he mentioned some heavy business logic is involved, so I don't know if he knows how or even wants to program it himself. I'm not saying it's rocket science, but there's a reason why you'd want someone professional to do it for you.

>>106102569
also i'd stay away from debian/ubuntu/anything debian-based, and RHEL/fedora. they are painful to deal with and WILL break random shit, plus debian has packages so "stable" that it actually hurts to look at. some packages are older than half of /g/, and theyre not even really stable.
you should also set up a firewall, close all unused ports, set up sshd (without password login, use keys only and disable root login over ssh) so you can actually administrate your server without being physically present.
automate as much as you can, as long as that doesn't have any risk of breakage. that means you should automate SSL certificate renewal, backups (if they dont cause downtime because you need to stop a running DB or anything), but ideally not reboots/updates. theres a tool called cron for scheduling things that run automatically every N minutes/hours/days/weeks/months
if you dont know anything about lunix, run 'man <command>' e.g. 'man cat', to get a manpage (manual page), or check out the arch wiki/gentoo wiki (those are the best wikis for any distro in general, not just arch/gentoo. most things that aren't distro specific will apply to all distros.)

>>106102619
hosting on an old computer in the office isn't dumb, i know a lot of normies who actually do that, and i set up a bunch of servers for a few of them, telling them how they can maintain them as well.
even my doctor has his own server in his office, its really not that hard
>vps
you are entrusting your entire company's data to a random cloudshit host and PAY them for literally having backdoor access to your whole server, plus its a crappy vps, not a real dedicated server, yet its somehow more expensive than a real server + electricity. you don't even own it, you rent it.
>business logic
if he cant do that himself, he can hire someone to do it for him.
but please, for the love of god, don't let AI do it, or your entire shit will be riddled with vulnerabilities.
if you are dealing with JS, you delegate all the security problems to your customers, and fuck them over by making your website laggy as hell. if you are dealing with PHP or fcgi, you are handling security yourself and actually need to know what youre doing to avoid random memory leaks or buffer overflows in C, or whatever else you write your fcgi scripts in. (logic bugs can happen in ANY language, even 'memory safe' ones like rust.)
writing your own cgi/php scripts is really the better option because its far less bloated and less annoying to your customers, but you need to actually know what youre doing, so you should hire someone (a C programmer, not a JS code monkey) to do it for you.
also, make sure he leaves all of the source code to you under a free software license, no restrictions that say "you can't do this or that". either you get the code and own it as your own internal proprietary software with you as the copyright holder, or you get it as free software the dev (who holds the copyright) can share with anyone else as well (which you can share with anyone else too)
or even better, you hold the copyright but release it as free software to the public, so anyone can benefit from it.

>>106102719
there are also a bunch of free (as in freedom, not just free as in free beer) already existing commerce/business software suites like woocommerce, wordpress, etc... you can use if you don't need anything very specific and don't want to hire someone to do it for you.
but half of them are JS, so YMMV.

>>106094614 (OP)
>dozens of autistic jibberish replies
wix is a good start.

>>106094709
you can do this with nginx btw

>>106094756
>relying on AI to set up your server
this is literally the reason why half of all websites are fucking dogshit nowdays, unstable broken unusable JS garbage.
don't rely on AI slop, it WILL hallucinate vulnerabilities into your configs.

>>106094614 (OP)
There is tons of smaller businesses that make websites like this for other smaller businesses.

>everything is so SEO'd
Why the fuck would you not want a SEO website?

>>106102739
its proprietary broken pajeet garbage that tells you "no you can't do this, you cant do that" just because they feel like it
>>106102763
>tons of smaller businesses do this for other small businesses
i do this cheaply for random people, but only in-person, so sadly i can't actually take a job offer on that
>>106102763
because SEO will result in your website looking like ai generated pajeet JS garbage, since thats what SEO prefers nowdays
i actually blacklisted all search engines/bots/crawlers/scrapers in robots.txt because i dont want jewgle to pick up my website, i rely entirely on word-of-mouth

>>106094614 (OP)
>I have like $50,000 set aside.
For 50k I will make you any reasonably sized website for a small business and throw in bells and whistles for free. I have been working as a professional webdev for a decade now.

>>106102794
>because SEO will result in your website looking like ai generated pajeet JS garbage
That's not how SEO works.

>i actually blacklisted all search engines/bots/crawlers/scrapers in robots.txt
>make a website for business
>hide it from search engines
jfc

>>106102816
>professional web dev
>50K
don't get scammed, OP.
this would cost you 500-1000$ max. if you hired someone who knows what hes doing to do it for you.
"web devs" are JS pajeets who either use AI to generate rounded corners on 2fps buttons, or do it with 200MiB "frameworks".
>saar this is not how SEO works, we are SEO saar
yes it literally is. tell me why every single fucking SEO site looks like the exact same garbage with 500 popups, infuriating loading times, broken pages, and a bunch of rounded corner JS crap on it, plus 500 buzzwords thrown all over the page, with only 2 lines of actually useful information.
>hide your business website from search engines
yes i do that, im still successful
search engines are literally just a scam, SEO only exists to tell you what you can and can't put up on YOUR website, otherwise you're being threatened to be taken off jewgle results. i don't want to play their shitty game and don't want people to use jewgle either, 90% of my customers would come from word of mouth anyway, even if i did have search engine results.

>>106102857
I think you don't realize how deranged you sound, even to a non technical person.


Anyway it was just a lighthearted offer. 50k is a lot, but it really depends on what exactly you would want in it, whenever you have design ready etc. If you are interested OP then we can talk offchan, I can prove my skills.
Otherwise, there are businesses that have premade templates for websites and make them at masses. They often have weird shit in them like, they host and control it and you never get source code, but it might not be important to you (yet).

>>106102794
>its proprietary broken pajeet garbage that tells you "no you can't do this, you cant do that" just because they feel like it
OP is a business owner. his main focus is running a business, not tinkering with a website. feel free to suggest another all-in-one solution.

>>106102857
>otherwise you're being threatened to be taken off jewgle results
google is fucking useless anyways
cant find shit on it

>>106103048
i cant wait until someone drives a cold chisel through the base of pichai's skull.

>>106103016
>his main focus is running a business
businesses deserve freedom too, why would your business be locked down, controlled, and assraped by some other bigger business with their proprietary broken garbage?

>>106094614 (OP)
>Oh yeah no indians
Sir, why bloody racist? Indian very good web design. Bastard benchod fuck!!

>>106094614 (OP)
here
>pay for a website to show pics of everthing and what you guys do
>You dont need to price list everything, just put an updated pdf price listing everything
>SEO: just link preview meta tags
thats it good luck

Wow lots of replies! I still don't quite understand!
>>106100354
Appreciate it, will reach out when I'm back at the office.
>>106102413
I have no fucking idea, the only selling I do right now is from a cash register.

>>106102763
Sorry I guess I wasn't clear, when I look up how to get a website made the search results are so obviously memed I'm having trouble finding where to start. I don't know how to find the smaller businesses that make websites like this for other smaller businesses

>>106105306
>when I look up how to get a website made the search results are so obviously memed I'm having trouble finding where to start.
Long past are days when you would put keywords in invisible text and do some weird shit to trick crawlers.
Nowadays search engines are quite sophisticated and what's the most important is how fast does your website renders primary content, what is contains, whenever it repeats, how clear the text is, how many ads you have etc.
https://developers.google.com/search/docs/fundamentals/seo-starter-guide

>I don't know how to find the smaller businesses that make websites like this for other smaller businesses
Google it I guess. Or hire me lmao

>>106105306
Don't bother too much with SEO, its a waste of time. Don't try to force it, or your site will look like shit. Just have a well designed website that gives users as much information as possible on 1 page, no size 120 font with 2 words per 1.25 pages bullshit, no fancy animations, no nonsense.
Also, i don't mean that you should cram a wall of text into 1 page, try to give users as much useful information as possible with as little text as possible.
>where do i start
i'd start setting up a server, you can try it yourself and probably won't have to hire anybody if you know how to use a unix terminal.
also, dont pay more than 1000$ if you decide to hire anyone, there is woocommerce and a bunch of other crap, here is a long list, find one that suits you and try it (try to avoid bloated JS crap or ancient 80s stuff)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_shopping_cart_software

>>106094614 (OP)
I'm very white and I build you a static website with custom design for 50k. PM me.

>>106106933
prove that you are white:
how big is /dev/null ?

>>106094614 (OP)
https://landchad.net/

>>106102739
Always been that way on this shithole. Most people here don't even know much about tech.

you could go the square space shit where you basically create the website like a powerpoint and they host it for you. to set up one by yourself you need a computer, internet connection, and something to serve http requests. you could set up something like nginx pretty easily to serve static files with https. if the website is more complex than that you will need to hire someone because you will have no idea what you are doing most likely because you made this thread.

>>106107280
squarespace, wix, and all the other proprietary shitware is a scam.

>>106107033
0

>>106110295
ackchyualley , /dev/null is a black hole, so its size is negatively infinite. no matter how much you write to it, it will always stay 0.

You register a domain name. You pay for that domain name upfront and yearly. You deploy your website on it.
It's a pita to have to do. It depends on what you need but it's always better use a gumroad/wordpress/etc website so that you can just have something for free.

>>106110729
achkually,
anon@cia:~$ du /dev/null
0 /dev/null
anon@cia:~$

>>106110795
hey stop stealing my hostname

>>106102621
>don't use debian or fedora based distros
What else are you supposed to use? Arch? The distro that breaks if you don't update it in time?

>>106094614 (OP)
Just get a CMS like Wordpress. It's a pre-built system with a ton of plugins including storefronts. No coding required.

>>106102794
>i dont want jewgle to pick up my website, i rely entirely on word-of-mouth
Here's how that's gonna go
>"Hey did you hear about this fag's website? He sells extra large horsecock dildos."
>"Lemme search him up, it was called something like OP's Fagporium"
>"It's not coming up on google, I guess he went out of business."

>>106106933
pm sent

1. You can self-host but AWS is more scaleable and better for cybersecurity and other things.
2. Best technologies right now are Angular + Node/React + Mongo. It's what new graduates looking for a first job would know how to use.

>>106095357
font?

>>106094614 (OP)
Use lovable it will use AI to generate a websirte for you with your prompts

>>106111206
i'm not joking, but at work we run most servers on gentoo, a few run openBSD.
gentoo rarely breaks, especially if you don't unmask testing packages. you can leave it and dont update it for a year if you want, you'll just have to deal with random vulnerabilities in garbage software that are sticking around then, so you should update it.
it helps to have a binhost or just use binaries too if you dont want to compile everything, gentoo has binaries for almost everything x86_64

>>106111619
>AWS
>better for soibersoicurity
you gotta be joking, you are literally trusting amazon with a full backdoor to your entire server.
>a bunch of garbage JS frameworks
get the fuck out, those are exactly the soi frameworks i told OP to stay far away from, because they will break everything and make his website 50MiB just to render a fucking button
>new graduates
you mean durgasoft hindi college graduates?
>first job
not to dunk on newfags who are looking for a job, but most people learn absolutely nothing useful about computers in uni/college, 90% comes from real experience.
>>106113199
>saar use AI
enjoy 7682765 critical vulnerabilities

>>106114201
>enjoy 7682765 critical vulnerabilities
I have a feeling OP cannot afford other options

>>106114604
AWS is expensive, an old laptop + electricity and a cheap domain is not.
he probably already has internet at his company (or even at home)

>>106114868
>>106114868
>AWS is expensive, an old laptop + electricity and a cheap domain is not.
You can prompt lovable to create website and host it locally too. OP will still ind it cheaper than Fiverr

>>106114910
>saar use AI saar
>saar usecase for real human written websites unclear
>use designated shitting model saar