Thread 106105704

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archieve, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• Tempotec Variations V1 - $130
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106083058

Original post:
>>106105513

Replies:
>>106105566
>did you EQ ear canal resonance out?
Nope. I wish I knew how to do that as quickly, easily and most efficiently as possible. Any tips?

>>106105568
Ok. Well I like when my Fiio FH3s are tuned to Harman. But I still reduce the treble a little here (it wants me to boost 6k frequency with +6 db, but I only add like +3.5). That tuning turned out great for me. But that's because I already liked the lower end and the mids, so it was only 2 or 3 frequencies that I had to adjust slightly to get it right.

Any suggestions on what I can do to "fix" the Simgots?

I'm not good or intuitive with EQ. I just discovered how to use it a week ago.

>>106105617
>Meze Alba and Moondrop Aria 2. Are these any good?
They're decent. There are many alternatives in the market at similar price and performance. Criticisms of Aria2: The shell paint will flake off, the brass nozzle may patina, heavy shell, not that ergonomic. Criticisms of Alba: Questionable reliability. If you order from a reputable retailer though like headphones dot com at least you'll get decent customer service.

>>106105743
You're basically on the right track and learning EQ, that's good. Maybe others can help you more specifically, I will just say to stop fixating on Harman target, especially when you recognize aspects of it that you dislike. EQ helps you arrive at your preferences. This takes time, and listening. Take your time, and listen. There is no rush to buy some next thing.

Reposting for the new thread, hope that's allowed

Just got a snowsky echo mini and it's pretty fun, but I just found out the iems I wanted to use (KZ ZSN Pro X) are dead.

I don't know much about headphones - I enjoy my grado sr60e, galaxy buds 2 pro, didn't really like meze 99 classics.

I don't have a strong genre preference, let's say rock or metal, would be nice for ASMR as well. Also I'd prefer over ear wire.
Budget is $100-150 ish.

Right now I'm looking at Meze Alba and Moondrop Aria 2. Are these any good? Any other recommendations?

I have an intuition. I think the difference in sound between different DACs and maybe amps are due to EQ that the manufacturers have done behind the scenes.

I think most DAC manufacturers probably add 1-2 db of bass so that whenever someone connects their headphones or IEMs into it, they immediately hear some extra bass and then think that's because the DAC/amp improved the sound quality. But nothing was improved upon, it was just changed to make you believe it was.

>>106105743
just experiment with eq and you will naturally learn a lot
the eq guide is the defacto resource on this, if you have the time to read it it is jam packed with tons of information
>>106105865
what anon said here is good >>106105757
not my main choices but they are still decent. i found the alba to be decent but comfort is very good

>>106105816
Thanks. I will play around some more with the EQ tonight and see if I can make the Simgots sound good.

>>106105877
not true, most amps and dacs have no measurable effect on fr

>>106105896
>the eq guide is the defacto resource on this, if you have the time to read it it is jam packed with tons of information
I will give it a read tonight. Thank you.

>>106105927
>thinks he'll be able to read it all tonight and digest it all
good luck brother

>>106105877
If only there was some way to measure the FR of a DAC...

>>106105923
>not true, most amps and dacs have no measurable effect on fr
Then why do people always say that Cirrus Logic CS43198 DAC chips (like in Tempotec Sonata or Fiio JM21) sound "clean and natural" but they will say that the ES9018C2M chips (in the Hiby R4 etc) sound warmer and have more bass? All the reviews say this. Don't you think the manufacturers of the ES9018C2M added some bass to it with EQ to get that sound?

That's just one example.

Imagine someone going to a store to try out different amps. And when he plugs in his headphones in "Brand B" he immediately hears some extra thumb in the bass and slightly less harshness in the treble. That person's first impression will lead him to believe this amp to be more powerful than the others he heard.

>>106105973
i think all of us severely underestimate how influential biases are
if someone reads one review of a dac being warmer, they will perceive a difference especially when two dacs are measurably identical; the difference that arises from their bias is several orders of magnitude higher than any measurable difference
cs431XX all have issues with DRE. fiio is adding a DRE switch to some of their sources so maybe that will change some things, but the crux of the issue is the same: audiophiles imagine differences and attribute it to the things they are listening on instead of their own unreliable hearing, biases, and more

>>106106018
I see. So you're saying it doesn't matter which DAC and amp you're using as long as the DAC has little noise and distortion and the amp has enough power? They all sound the same?

>>106105973
other anon replied, we can easily measure the FR of a DAC.
if measurements have not been done on them, then it's a guessing game up to deaf morons.
some manufacturers provide accurate graphs of their own products (some don't, lie, etc.). plenty don't provide those measurements at all.
it's easily seen whether or not a DAC is flat when measured.

>>106106073
>They all sound the same?
different anon. no. manufacturers CAN purposefully alter the sound. whether or not they actually are is verified through measurements. not what some deaf retard claims to hear.

>>106106073
well yes, but also no. does it matter if the difference is purely psychological as opposed to measurable/physical?
we have studies that show that even the color of something will influence perception. the same applies to every other variable when it comes to sources (size, heat, interface, etc) so i don't particularly mind if someone says that they hear a difference between two dacs
the issue comes with attributing these perceived differences to things that have no measurable differences (eg dac chips)
you can check this video out, they set up one of the worst blind tests i've seen and yet still fail to identify which is which despite both being prominent source reviewers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzOpdXe5pRU

Hey, Paul Wasabi here. You niggers are tripping.

>>106106173
post your script here from now on you daft cunt

>>106106185
come again?

>>106105973
btw you bring up fairly new budget products. thankfully, newer audio products trend towards being flat. and nowadays, there is more push in the realm of integrated device PEQ and such. this is a superior solution to stock colored sound.

>>106105973
>All the reviews say this.
>just one example.
And there are many examples over time of confident audiophiles failing to discern different sources in blind-tests.
When they can't see and don't know the product, they fail to hear the supposed differences they were so sure of.

>>106105743
>Nope. I wish I knew how to do that as quickly, easily and most efficiently as possible.
ew300 treble is rather peaky (at least on graphs) so there might be a case of length mode resonance boosting already existing peaks which results in sibilance
>Any tips?
not much to do other than blasting your ears with sines and trying to hear which frequency in the 5k-10k range is the loudest. I guess one thing you might try is to move IEM around.. pushing it deeper in will move your peak to a higher frequencies. Like if your peak is at 8k you will literally hear it getting quieter unlike for example 7k that will not change as much. It is not a 100% reliable method but can help you feel where things are.
After you find and EQ your ear canal peak down you can apply broader filters to treble to make it not as bright

I fell for the meme

>>106106429
you can eq it to anything and get totl techs, so no worries mate

>>106105973
>Then why do people always say
they always say shit before you ask them to do a blind test and then suddenly they can't discern fuck

>>106106697
so "BA timbre" and "planar timbre" are bullshit terms?

>>106106429
hey at least you are getting sancai tips which are pretty good

>>106106724
nta but the association with the drivers yes, most likely a result of FR

>>106106724
yes
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/t78yuv/kz_gets_exposed_for_putting_decorative_drivers_in/

>>106106743
peaks exist in audio mixes, sure, but wouldn't whether or not it distorts on the pos end depend on how its driver(s) are doing it? if we can attribute certain undesirable added sheens to certain drivers, wouldn't it make sense to say the driver sucks at something? assuming the audio is already known to have or not have peaks in any manner

>>106106766
bullshit every time?

>>106106804
in most cases where they "suck", it's due to some anomaly in the FR which presents additional coloration.

>>106106817
it's bullshit in a sense that there's no such thing as a timbre of a specific driver. There might be cases of using similar drivers in a similar way which creates an appearance of drivers having some inherent timbre characteristics.
but in the end of the day it's just tuning

>>106106743
BAs are actively shunned here. for a reason. explain why anyone would bring up bad timbre of anything without catching shit for not blaming fr instead of shit ass pos?

>>106106804
>wouldn't it make sense to say the driver sucks at something
well yeah something like BA bass is a thing actually.
or BAs having more distortion.
It's all known factors tho.

>>106106925
they get shunned because anons like to exaggerate
i agree that BAs are measurably worse, but it does not matter at all for listening and tuning
>>106106932
true but distortion is negligible, bass is fixable
not ideal but i would arguably take these flaws if the tuning warrants it

>>106106925
BAs are shunned for very specific reasons and not some vague "ba timbre"

>>106106950
>does not matter at all for listening
you're either choosing to tolerate it, or you don't hear it. if you say BAs are measurably worse, then let me ask, would you ever buy a 5BA set? why or why not?

>>106107044
their distortion metrics are bad but most of the time under the thresholds of audibility
bass is also flawed, but again can be fixed/avoided
>would you ever buy a 5BA set? why or why not?
yes i would buy one if they are tuned decently and also unvented for the pnc

>>106106954
the specific reasons being price.

>>106107069
so you'd still buy an all BA pos as long as it's tuned to hide the problems. got it

>>106107398
well yes, if it's tuned to "hide" a problem then the problem doesn't exist anymore as far as i am concerned does it.

Some good multiple DD with good separation ?

I have a headphone question but the general is gone for some reason, is it ok if I ask here
What do I do to remedy my cushioning opening up, I'm open to buying replacements and diy-ing it but they just might open up again, it is the sweat? these are bose ultra quitecomfort ultra at 5 months but the opening is recent as of 2 weeks and its only getting bigger

>2DD
>$280
>sounds like $100
and people will defend this

>>106107579
it actually sounds like $6000000

>>106107427
you can polish a turd, but it's still a piece of shit

>>106107609
but enough about the q1pro + EQ

>>106107550
separation is subjective, demo X DDs
>>106107609
how is it a piece of shit if the flaws are covered?
or in other words, how is it still a piece of shit if it is tuned the same as any other driver type/config?

>>106107695
Mmhh okay. But do you recommend any ?

>>106107778
no, i don't look at driver config, just search for any multiple DDs and demo them

>>106107695
because it still relies on compensating for its flaws. covering up a weakness doesn't make it go away, it just hides it

>>106107822
eqbros its so over

>>106107822
what flaw are you talking about? if it's bass output, then yes it goes away if accounted for.
same thing with distortion if it is even an audible problem in the first place

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106107854
then it’s not gone, it’s avoided. that’s a flaw.
needing to be “accounted for” just means the driver can’t do certain things without a crutch. good drivers don't have to avoid it.

>>106108019
but are we talking about drivers or final sound as the user perceives?
the latter is what i've been using, and these flaws do not exist anymore as far as my listening is concerned. we already agreed on the driver being measurably worse

>>106108019
>good drivers don't have to avoid it.
Guess there are no good drivers then.

>>106108019
muh drivers shut the fuck up already
you will not be able to tell the difference between 1DD or BA pos stop kidding yourself
>b-but muh distortion
you are deaf

>>106108049
I'm on both, it's easy to muddy up perspectives and get sidetracked.
I see your original point. "even if eq is the one fixing it and I can't hear the flaw anymore, the problem's solved."
can't really disagree with that if you just want to enjoy listening

>>106108263
>if you just want to enjoy listening
the fuck else is there

>>106108105
lol YOU can't tell the difference and I can tell it grinds your gears that other people can.

>>106108281
>throwing a million roadblocks in the way before even finding time to have a listening session.
you tell me

>>106108350
nobody has ever read this

>>106108365
then no wonder you still think distortion is a thing

>>106108372
>everybody who replies to me is the same person
schizo

>>106108333
your retardation grinds your ears lol

>>106108384
>he thinks i think i'm replying to the same person
schizo

>>106108398
who are you quoting

>>106108410
me

>>106108372
you can't just say retarded ass backwards shit like that and expect to be taken seriously, even for a second.

common eq L
common techs W

>>106108430
show me any indication of distortion being so horrible it would be audible at 80 dB listening volume with 15 dB peaks, and correlate that with preference.

nobody cares about distortion in IEMs that's a fact
let it go

>>106107579
>kz shell design
tanch is secretly in rat gang :3

>>106108430
did chatGPT tell you that?

>>106108555
don't need chatgpt to tell me something as bitchin as a Top Pro can't really scale well because the BAs shit out at higher volume

>>106108889
what volumes are we talking about here?

Opinions on the Truthear Pure ? pos seems nice but it kinda look shilled and too much hyped

>>106108954
>inb4 just turn it down

>>106108978
mud cannons

>>106108994
do you have actual top pro measurements to support your claim?

can CCP hear us too, ST2 bros??

>>106109027
Ah sad. And the Juzhear Defiant ?

>>106109042
I do not, feel free to dismiss it entirely

Decided to clean up my bandcamp wishlist a bit, ripped 100 albums from qobuz, will probably rip the rest directly from bandcamp in 128, they won't appear on streaming/soulseek anyway.

>>106108978
if you have long ear canals and shallow fit pure can sound pretty good theoretically

>>106109203
"scaling" is an audiophool term and shouldn't be taken seriously in the first place

Thoughts on the KZ ZS10 Pro X?

>>106109207
Rip your shit before it all requires an ID, kids(spotify already does).

>>106109083
dunno
defiant graphs fine outside of 13k giga peak lol
I personally wouldn't get it cause there's no point and it;'s nothing special

>>106109275
So no eargasm for most people ?
>>106109387
Ah sadge. Guess i'll try the pure then

>>106109300
sometimes placebo and expectation bias isn't just placebo and expectation bias

>>106109480
>So no eargasm for most people ?
unless you like MUD
pure was made to sound like a headphone and person responsible for it - listener does like it a lot
everybody else tho not so much

>>106109496
Is it really thaaat muddy ? Tbh I hate sibilants pos so maybe I'll like them

>>106109634
Pure still has pretty standard iem upper treble (above 7-8K) so if you're sensitive to that it probably will still irritate you if you're unlucky. I get a few high treble peaks that need EQ.

>>106109771
Yeh at worst I'll do some EQing and see how it goes. And if it's really painful I'll send it back. In any case it's ordered so I'll see if I like it or not, and if it's really too muddy, as the other anon said.

>>106109634
it graphs way above preference bounds

>>106109815
who's preference??

>>106109901
people's
preference bounds are from harman research

First IEMs, the Celest Dark Phoenix. I have always preferred the in-ear earbuds type, but I don't have good audiophile ears so I just picked something I thought looked cool. I really like the resin shells and they sound good to my ears. I heard a lot of people didn't like the Phoenix Call tuning, but this one is a re-tuned version that's apparently a little bit more relaxed

>>106109931
huh.. the tuning of these things...
well as long as you like them

>>106109931
enjoy em. i like them too

>>106109922
there's two targets. neither of which are named

>>106109978
these are not targets lol
do you not know what "bounds" mean???

>>106109815
Nothing that some EQ won't fix I guess ?

Cheapest android DAP?
Must be small so phones are out.

>>106109993
like out of bounds in basketball?

Hm... Why didn't anybody engineer an eartip with changeable length yet? I use spring tips almost for everything and can kinda move pos inside my ear rather freely without breaking the seal... So I moved it around and could literally hear ear canal resonance moving around. Would be much easier for people to catch them if they could move IEMs inside their ears freely via a special eartips

Update on my Simgot EW300s: Been EQing a bunch but I can't get them to sound as deep, punchy, vocal forward with clean, articulate but non-fatiuging as my treble boosted (with EQ) Fiio FH3s. So now I'm back to using my Fiios.

Any suggestions for other IEMs that sound similar to the Fiios but better, grander, more magnificent? How about newer Fiios like the FH15 or FD5?

>>106110024
as long as you EQ by ear instead of graph lol
but that's the case with most POS. Treble is the hardest to EQ so if you'll like it (it's pretty relaxed on pure) that's a win already

>>106110074
>sound similar to the Fiios but better, grander, more magnificent?
no because "punchy", "articulate", and all these terms you're using are subjective for each person and each iem
demo them out

>>106110050
..sure

>>106110074
Show the best EQ you managed to do for ew300

>>106110074
A) Neither of those are even newer Fiios. They are very old in Chi-Fi standards.
B) Fiio stuff generally sounds quite bad. Do not just go by brand and haphazardly picking models.

>>106109931
God damn those look sexy as fuck

>>106110047
Hiby M300

>>106110077
Yeh I'll do that methinks. I hope I'll like the treble of the pure

>>106105704 (OP)
Im gay and im in love with my best friend since 4th grade jack who is getting married to his gf in 2 months ;_;

>>106110384
buy vlue bido for ultimate consolation gweilo

>>106110086
Ok. I think I will contact Fiio and ask them which model they recommend as an upgrade to the FH3. I think maybe I'll just buy their products from now on.

>>106110109
Well I put +1 db at 1500hz, -3 db at 4000 and -4 db at 8000, and another -3 at 16k. It sounds much less harsh. In fact it even sounds soothing to my ears now. Like a massage. The problem is it sounds boring too. But if I raise the treble even a bit it starts to hurt. Also vocals are still too quiet and the bass doesn't have the same impact as the Fiio one.

>>106110156
Bad in what way? Yeah I guess FH15 is their latest model? Came out last year. Just don't know if it has a similar tuning to the FH3. I think I will email Fiio and ask.

alright remove everything from op and force everyone to read the eq guide wtf

>>106110421
you just look at a graph.

>>106110427
nobody has ever read it and nobody will ever read it

>>106110441
hence why everyone is retarded

>>106110109
>>106110421
Btw on the Fiios I do:
> +2 db @ 2k
> +3 db @ 4k
> +2 db @ 6k
> -10 db high shelf at 10k and above

It sounds really good. According to a graph it should probably be more sibliant than the EW300s but it doesn't sound that way. I can bump the treble up a lot but it doesn't hurt or fatigue me.

>>106110421
>Well I put +1 db at 1500hz, -3 db at 4000 and -4 db at 8000, and another -3 at 16k.
with what Q?
also can you actually hear -3 dB filter at 16k?

>>106110478
>-10 db high shelf at 10k and above
guys

>>106110495
yeah that one is pretty crazy

>>106110421
are your q factors correct?
I know the answer is no

>>106110486
Q 2.00 on all of them.

I don't know if I can hear it at 16k to be honest. Just put it in there just in case.

>>106110495
>>106110503
That's what AutoEQ told me to put when I tuned them to Harman 2019. It also asked me to put +7 at 6000hz but I've lowered it to +3.

how did i not expect this

>>106110530
Try this one as base
Preamp: -5 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 150 Hz Gain -3.0 dB Q 1.000
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 600 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 1.000
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1800 Hz Gain 1.0 dB Q 1.000
then turn on some music and start lowering high shelf until you stop hearing harshness or whatever
Filter 4: ON HSC Fc 4000 Hz Gain -2.0 dB Q 1.000
report what you hear and how
forget about 16k there's not much music information up there anyway

>>106110596
Do you have a suggestion for a better EQ?

Sorry I haven't read the whole EQ guide yet, I'm on Chapter 3.

>>106110623
Wow, thanks. Let me try it right now.

Are there any real upgrades from the 7hz timeless today? I fell for the hype like 3 years ago and I have the urge to consooom again
I want something that sounds like the iem equivalent of the hd600

>>106110699
I was thinking the new dusk but might be falling for hype again

>>106110699
>I want something that sounds like the iem equivalent of the hd600
truthear pure it is then

>>106110708
>new dusk
it's old as fuck now
people still like it so I dunno
there are a bunch of pos with similar style of tuning
better try them before you buy tho

>>106110735
I always hear that online
But unless you live in Asia who the fuck has access to test out 20 different Chinese iems? Local stores only have high end shit and home theater stuff, not chifi. Suppose you can try and return on bezo's dime

>>106110623
Ok been testing it out. Sounds better. But I turned off the first filter (150 hz). I think I will need to boost the bass actually, it's quite weak/thin. I will play around with it more. The other changes sound good. I settled at -3 db for the 4000 hz high shelf filter. That seems perfect.

Will continue tomorrow morning.

Btw even when I raised 150 hz to like +4 db, I could barely hear a difference. I will try a bit lower (like 60 or 80) as well as higher to see what frequencies give me audible differences.

>>106110623
>>106110827
I will say tho, they still sound a lot "thinner" than the Fiios. I don't know if it's because of lack of bass (even tho the graphs say these should have more bass than the Fiios), or a smaller "soundstage", or whatever it is. It doesn't sound bad though, but different. The sound is more detailed but less "musical" and engaging. I'm using the same tips on both.

>>106110751
>Suppose you can try and return on bezo's dime
you can yeah
there's not much other choice unless you want to burn $300 on a pos blind

>>106110827
>I think I will need to boost the bass actually
>Btw even when I raised 150 hz to like +4 db, I could barely hear a difference.
Weird. You sure you don't have problems with seal?

>>106110901
you're supposed to sway him away from blind buying a $300 pos

>>106111444
crab bucket mentality

>>106111575
that's original.

>>106105704 (OP)
>>AVOID USING:
>• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos
wha

Nora and Origin LM waiting room.

bluepill: eq guide can improve your audio everyone should read it
redpill: if you need a guide you're ngmi in the first place
blackpill: nobody has ever read the guide, nobody uses eq, its literally over

>>106112983
that's silly

>>106112983
Just do it.

>>106112983
I come back to this general and this nigger still thinks hes EQ guide is worth something

Nigger, EQ'ing isnt rocket science, you are not contributing anything to the hobby

>>106113266
What the fuck does any of these schizobabble sounding options mean?

>>106113300
>EQ'ing isnt rocket science
>*looks at the feeble attempts above and the autoeqing chatgpt nigger*
Lmao.

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106113300
>EQ'ing isnt rocket science
you'd think but look at every EQ attempt in the last 3 threads
>hes EQ guide
eslbeezo...
>>106113326
fox using fox impulse response, so heckin based
>>106113507
it's comfortable, cheap, and well built

>the ZVX Pro is better than the EDC Pro and costs only a few dollars more.
Yep, it's true.

>>106113812
>dynamic tech
Kilobuck in shambles.

>>106112836
I put away my origins cause I didnt wanna develop tinnitus. Its back to oxygen and hbb for me

>>106114168
you already have tinnitus deafzo...

>>106114172
Well I dont wanna aggravate it further with that POS.. the rat was right.

>>106114183
its too late you are already deaf...

>>106114168
Origins too sibilant?

>>106114693
Yeah, that 11k treble peak is no joke

What do you do with all the extraneous stock tips? Just toss them?

>>106114938
mod them by shortening the bores

>>106105973
you're asking that in one of the worst places on the internet where people are adamant that FR is the one and only thing that matters and nothing else

>>106114704
Sad to hear that

>>106105704 (OP)
how do you buy blue vido nowadays?

>>106115188
show
one
measurement

Use case for techs?

>>106115188
brainlet

>>106105704 (OP)
why did they cry lmao

>>106113778
>it's comfortable, cheap, and well built
it also sounds nice

>>106115252
sounds pretty mediocre stock, nothing a bit of EQ can't fix

>>106115247
It hurts, he hates it

>>106115176
For what purpose.

Gate or Wan'er 2?????

>>106115205
of what?

>>106116751
g10

>>106117501
weird way of saying ea500lm

>>106116751
edc pro
be based for once

>>106117517
enjoy your tinnitus

filter got dirty/clogged? fuck you! hihi :3

>>106116755
Of what chatgpt hallucinated to you.

>>106117739
who do you think I am lol

>>106117795
Average "techs" fan.

gptzo really mindbroke these niggers hard lmao

>>106117939
you wish

How to know if QKZ x HBB got stealth revised, I preoreder mine years ago.

why is epz g10 so shit, bros?

>>106118805
it's not

fiio added autoeq to their peq webapp and they're pulling graphs from public squigs. it doesn't work right now but it was working yesterday. maybe MRS blocked their queries. also ka15 fixed the cirrus hump(inaudible) with the help of the autists at ASR

>>106111444
Any non pos reccs anon?

>>106114938
Just threw out a shitload of them last night. >>106115188
Not trying to play devils advocate here but if you can measure soundstage and dynamics with a FR curve then that FR measurement is in fact everything

>>106119088
does it only work with fiio products?

>>106119152
yes but you can also use a JCALLY JM12 and replace its firmware with FIIO JA11's firmware and then you can use the fiio webapp for peq

>>106119105
budget? and by non pos you mean not gonna give you buyer's remorse?

>>106119278
I'm willing to go up to 500 USD, but I'd expect diminishing returns much lower than that.
I want something like the HD600 but for in ears, inoffensive sound signature but good for vocals. My main set is the 7hz timeless, I want something with less recessed midrange.

>>106119334
you shouldn't want to spend that much in the first place, but ER4SR or ER2SE

>>106119124
there is no information about dynamic range or soundstage in fr graphs.

>>106119264
will it work on my fiio ka3?

>>106119334
Xenns Tea Pro

>>106119484
Don't really want ear rape that way with the triple flange desu
>>106119578
This looks good I'll do my research

>>106119548
no, the ka3 doesn't have the same chip

>>106119334
technically HD600 of IEMs still does not exist
Something tuned to jm-1 like meta, daybreak, volumeS, astral, ke4, tea/top pro etc depending on your fit and acoustic impendence can sound really close but u gotta try them first

>>106119723
open-back pos when?

>>106119334
just spend the $5 on the EDC Pro already, tune it to HD600 and call it a day.

>>106120126
what in the overengineered fuck is that

>>106120111
I don't think that one is possible

>>106120152
https://youtu.be/2G04A_W_XSA

I've developed a new groundbreaking EQ method that lets you EQ in techs, but I won't tell you guys.

>>106120299
we already know, its called getting a job
crazy stuff

>>106120299
>>106120340
It's called getting a custom faceplate at epz.

>>106120162
pos

What more do you need?

>>106120377
techs = channel imbalance

>>106120381
something that's not tuned to Shartman target

>>106120381
I need less meme drivers and smaller shells and nozzles.

>>106120390
>being a contrarian faggot just for the sake of it

>>106120402
>listening to a target made for deep insertion pos on shallow insertion pos because le heckin science and shit

why do you things call everything pos
im guessing you mean piece of shit?

>>106120539
Pinnacle of sound.

Yall got recs for durability? I like the kz line, but the plastic male bit keeps breaking

anyone know the differences between the HiBy FC4 and FC5?

Remember, only FR, distortion, comfort and reliability matters. Everything else is pure marketing crap to sell you overpriced shit, don't be a retard fag and fall into chink traps.

>>106120402
learn what contrarian means
shartman is severely outdated and everyone moved on from it, even fucking shartur, so there's nothing contrarian in not liking a target that's already far from mainstream

>>106120783
Only the faceplate and the box art matter.

>>106119723
>HD600 of IEMs still does not exist
Oh yeah? Then what's this pos?
That's what I thought, Libtard #Rekt

>>106120857
>chooses green color squig
did chatgpt pick that color for you

Does the Aful Explorer have any annoying treble spikes or sibilance issues?

>>106120783
>Remember, only FR
Stopped reading right there.

>>106121040
treble differs depending on individual

>>106120783
>distortion
doesn't matter
>comfort
subjective
>reliability
IEMs are disposable

What do you think of buying 5 pairs for $20 each, all with different tunings? To learn what you like.

I'm thinking:
> QKZ x HBB (Bass)
> Truthear Gate (Harman)
> Tangzu Wan'er S.G 2 (Bright)

What else? What about something with forward vocals?

>>106121154
>with different tunings
>To learn what you like
Just EQ and tip roll until you find your target. Then move onto buying different pos matching your target en mass.

>>106121154
just buy expensive pos and force yourself to like the sound

>>106121377
Well, I just ordered these three. Going to order the KZ Castor Black from AliExpress as well. I will then have 8 IEMs in total and will rank them based on sound.

When did balanced outputs for mobile devices start becoming a thing? Is it a meme?

>>106121452
>Is it a meme?

>>106121452
>Is it a meme?
It is real and I am tired of pretending it isn't.

>>106121452
I'd say it's a meme with high sensitivity pos

>>106121584
What is pos in this context?

>>106121630
pinnacle of sound

>>106121452
There are objective audible crosstalk improvements. Whether or not you consider that significant is up to you.

Do you people ever get tired of arguing about FR and EQ? How you do fill up a whole thread every other day falling for the same bait

>>106121667
proof?

>>106121984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NkOH_x6HtI

>>106122014
inaudible

>>106122014
This retard is somehow even more delusional and autistic than NGGAR

>>106122035
wrong

>>106122051
in what ways?

>>106122085
in the comments dude himself did not challenge the fact that it is inaudible

>>106122014
>one vtuber says it's a meme, another one says it's superior.
as if it wasn't all about preference to begin with, fucking nutjobs

>>106122154
it is audible unless you are deaf, that is a fact
you can debate whether or not its significant but it is audible

>>106122211
proof it's audible

>>106122333
>I NEED THE GRAPHS

>>106122333
he literally shows a 30dB signal on his measurement rig
if you cannot hear a 30dB signal you are deaf

>>106122406
you didn't even understand what video showed

>>106122452
explain it then, go ahead

>>106122460
there's no point

>>106121377
You could do that, but I have a hard time figuring out "what I like" blindly

I did this one but the rock song had a v shaped preference for me and the trap song was brighter, which I guess is somewhat expected right?
https://preference-test.sonarworks.com/

Or do I just plug in some headphones and fuck around with a PEQ?

>>106122607
nta but if you can't back it up, shut the fuck up

>>106122333
>proof it's audible
Don't debate esls sorry

>>106122607
i accept your concession

Add Tanchjim Fission to the shopping guide.

glad I'm on the right track. spent the day with a few pos autoeq'd to JM-1 as an experiment.
if anyone can give some before I test more pos tomorrow, I'd appreciate it since I'm doing this the most basic ass way.

>>106123265
advice*

>>106123265
it's cool that you're experimenting but you're using autoeq which makes it so that most will not care about what you say

>>106123284
why would they say it's crap? because I'm not doing it manually and by ear? for what I'm doing, this is fine. results have been insightful so far, now that I have a way to tell apparent capabilities of different pos in an obvious way.

>>106123378
the task you are trying to accomplish should not include any autoeq in the procedure
anons have attempted to explain why but you insist so i doubt any of your observations will be worthwhile

>>106123378
you can't tell shit about fuck
>why would they say it's crap
you literally know why

>>106123399
elaborate, briefly.
>>106123392
tell me what I'm missing so I can refine it

>>106123409
>elaborate, briefly.
Ask chatGPT
>tell me what I'm missing
reference point

>>106123409
autoeq does not account for
>unit variation
>channel matching
>insertion depth
>in-situ response
>changes due to OI
there are other factors but they are a bit too niche and technical for you

>>106123424
I get all that. i'm bringing the pos to somewhat neutral for the sake of getting closer to the audio's true mix.
not particularly close or accurate to it, just lessening the pos coloration. very obvious what's going on when a/b. some pos shit themselves, some still retain their fun.

>>106123493
right, but the remaining coloration is what is causing you to hear some as shitting themselves and others as retaining their fun
this is probably the most popular conclusion with people using autoeq like you are doing, it is not particularly interesting for us

>>106123493
where's your length mode resonance?

nobody reads the eq guide, total eq guide failure

>>106123493
you don't get it
with what you are doing might as well input a random EQ and listen to that
>just lessening the pos coloration
you don't know what coloration even is

>>106123507
I appreciate the insight. I know it's not thorough by any means.

>>106123532
>with what you are doing might as well input a random EQ and listen to that
more based than the gay eq guide (which nobody has ever read)

>>106123671
>eq guide
obsessed lol
I don't give a fuck

>>106123739
idk who u even are buzz off dog

Are there any 0.78mm classic pin cables that have a lock of some kind? Both my Arrias and BL-03s have loose holes and my TRN cable keeps slipping off.

I just snatched a kefine klean deal for 35 eur on aliexpress. Hopefully the thickness of the exchangeable filters is not a problem.

>>106123493
When you're autoeqing to jm-1 you're not hearing jm-1. Simple as. No pos is "shitting itself". You're just literally not getting the FR you think you're getting due to >>106123424
These things only affect the FR so you can EQ them, just not with autoeq.

>>106124685
And volume matching is extremely important. You can make one FR sound better or worse than other FR just by changing the volume, and pos inherently change the volume. It's a problem even when comparing two presets on one pos.

Do yall think QKZ x HBB is revised to shit at this point? I got mine back when it was brand new so who knows.

>>106124685
>>106124838
>you're not hearing jm-1
I understand and appreciate all the input

Finally settled on my pair of IEMS and went with the Simgot EW300 and EA500 DSP versions. hopefully they do more unique colors than matte black cause the silver is terrible

>>106125627
>Simgot EW300
I hope you like harsh piercing treble

>>106126133
yeah, I love it a lot! :)

rip stock bnuy cable
now what

>>106126959
Buy a second bunny.

>>106126980
the top ends of the cables became stiff
probably contributing to that

Best 150 bucks DAP ? My surfans f20 broke and I need a remplacement :(
I kinda liked the fact that I can put rockbox on it

>>106126959
just order a cheap kbear or ivipq cable

I've been using IEMs for like a month. My second pair has suffered the same issue: The left ear goes quiet, to like 30% audio. Cleaning the mesh doesn't change anything. (Tanchjim Bunny, Truthear Gate)

Why does this keep happening?

>>106127175
never had this issue and I own 4 different IEM

>>106127493
I believe you. I'm wondering if its the specific jack I plug them into (through my monitor)? That or maybe my left ear produces a kind of special IEM killing substance that science should harvest and study

Anyone tried both the Tanchjim Orgin and Fission? How similar are they

>>106127536
pretty similar, biggest difference is fit and canal resonance
go for the fission, it's practically the same but with a much better accessory package

>>106127544
Damn, I almost want to pay more because the origin are so sexy but I feel like they're gonna get all scratched and trigger me

kiwi ears astral just hype? I always find something I don't like about their products but am seeing good things

>>106127559
i kept the origin and didn't end up buying the fission, but in both cases you'll end up with some wear and tear
the fission is much more comfortable, but that faceplate will scratch whether you like it or not
origin is however much better built, i am talking multi-kilobuck realm finesse and design here

>>106127644
I know man that is one of the best looking iems and they have one of the best logos I've ever seen. Impressively tasteful for the Chinese lol

>>106127536
chink audio said it's basically the same but origin feels more premium https://youtu.be/Dmyu0mJoZXI?t=197

>>106127732
one of the rare sets where i feel it is even more impressive in person
the slight recession of the faceplate is a game changer, really changes how the whole iem looks
it's why i'm still on the fence for the nora, it's the same design overall but lacks the character

>>106125627
should have bought the LM

>>106128025
>>106128025
>>106128025

>>106122673
>but I have a hard time figuring out "what I like" blindly
It took some while for me to figure out my preferred target. 3 pos and bunch of EQ profiles later on a wide variety of songs, videos, podcasts and movies gave me the target I wanted. Although it sure takes time and certain amount of persistent autism. Check out the EQ guide, owliophile.com, couple of posts of oratory too to get a better idea of it.