Thread 106108492

>buy sound card
>everything is awesome
>play some games
>BRRRRRRRRRR BRAAAAAAAAAP BRZRRZRZRZRZRRZ in my headphones and microphone
>can't go back to onboard audio because the audio jacks port
Fuck me, how do you deal with GPU coil whine in your sound card? I can't tell if it's PCIe noise or lack of shielding from the GPU directly above it.

>>106108492 (OP)
>can't go back to onboard audio because the audio jacks port
What?
Anyway, even entry-level 70€ asrock mobos have absolutely perfect mobo audio, there is no use case for sound cards.

>>106108492 (OP)
your sound card has poor shielding, I never encountered an issue with mine and it's from 2009 or something
anyways, try separating it from the gpu by using a pci-e x1 riser cable

>>106108544
shit power filtering is an issue even with onboard stuff. works for most people. but use an external DAC with proper power supply filtering and there's some extra detail in there.
just use REW and ground your line input and look at the noisefloor. it won't be flat, and prolly a lot of LF crap

>>106108492 (OP)
>Fuck me, how do you deal with GPU coil whine in your sound card?
You buy an external sound card, like a normal person.

>>106108663
>audiofool gobbledygook
I bought a DAC an it sounds the exact fucking same as the audio on my asrock/asus mobos. Using Sundaras btw.

>>106108689
normal people don't buy sound cards

love my audio combo Essence STX + HD 660S2

>>106108711
>>audiofool gobbledygook
no such claims, I kept it engineering related. I build my own DACs and power supplies for them, and measured them.
it's not only noise floor, it's also output impedance of power supplies, of DAC, distortion of frontend. maintaining the DAC's specs is no easy feat, if the chip is nice. mud may work fine for you, but A/B testing is not as simple. ideally you listen for like 2-3 months on the nicer gear, then switch on something onboard. that's when there's the highest chances you'll notice the difference, though it will be subtle nothing life altering, sure.
audiophoolery is when there's crazy claims that make no sense, not measurable, or measurable but so far out of human detection range that they're irrelevant.

>>106108544
>there is no use case for sound cards.
192Khz audio
ASIO
driving high resistance headphones

there's 3 use cases
now die

>buying a sound card
What is this, 1995?

>>106108544
>What?
I ripped out the audio jack on my onboard audio accidentally, so it doesn't work anymore. Shit is loose and nothing makes contact. Buying the sound card was a necessity.

>>106108689
I might still do that later, though I immediately appreciated some of the extra features of having hardware accelerated audio. It drives my Audio Technica headphones and my speakers perfectly too.

>>106108996
>hardware accelerated audio
there's no such thing nowadays anon, everything is software accelerated (and that's good)

>>106108711
I used a FiiO DAC specifically for the same issue OP is facing and it worked.

>>106108865
>192Khz audio
niggerlicious niggerbabble
>asio
looney troon meme
>high ohm headphones
almost never needed and your cans are probably not that high resistance

>>106108865
>192Khz audio
My mobo's ALCS1200 supports that. But I am a human so 48khz is more than enough.
>ASIO
That's just some windows crapware. I use ALSA.
>driving high resistance headphones
Buy an amplifier, not an external DAC you doofus.
I actually run this setup, an amp after line level mobo audio.

>>106109041
>I don't do any audio work
this would have been quicker to type
> your cans are probably not that high resistance
millions of buyers say you're retarded

>>106108575
>your sound card has poor shielding,
what's good shielding then? putting aluminum foil on the back of the pcb? a block of wood with foil on it? a lead plate?

>>106108492 (OP)
if it cant even filter out pcie noise, its a shitty soundcard.
but even then, there shouldnt be THAT MUCH pcie noise, something must be fucked with your psu or motherboard.
i use a soundblaster audigy 4, it works perfectly fine and doesnt need proprietary garbage drivers that don't work

>>106109058
>I actually run this setup, an amp after line level mobo audio.
fucking pleb at least go optic, line level audio sucks ass

>>106109086
multiple pcb layers, proper grounding and a metallic shield, basically yours is poorly designed

>>106109074
>beyers remorse
lmao

>>106109074
you don't need an amp for your 250 ohm ear rapers, looney troon
that's all, folx

>>106109088
>if it cant even filter out pcie noise, its a shitty soundcard.
See, I'm just not sure if it's PCIe noise because it only happens when I'm doing raster with my GPU (a 3060 Ti in this case). If I pan around in the Blender viewport for example without using the rendered view, nothing happens. If I use Eevee or if I play a game like Garry's Mod or Valheim or Minecraft with shaders or whatever then it just sounds like I'm hearing the GPU coil whine.
>>106109111
It's funny how basically none of the reviews mentioned anything about this. Wondering if I should have returned it or not from the instant I heard the interference and went for something else, because the clarity in my headphones and the extra detail is noticeable when I listen to music.

>>106109099
>fucking pleb at least go optic, line level audio sucks ass
I bought a DAC and it made zero difference. I can crank my amplifier to absolute maximum, way beyond what is comfortable to listen to, and I cannot hear any noise whatsoever.

>>106109115
I hope he used the paper towel mod at least

>>106109115
>implying atr headphones like the mh-50 also aren't bright and spike so much that it gives you hearing damage

>>106109121
>you don't need an amp for your 250 ohm ear rapers
do tell me how good your hardware designed to power some apple earbuds is at powering anything above 80ohm kek
do you listen in a pitch black soundproofed room just so you can hear a cymbal occasionally?

>>106109115
>>106109134
your image is not a DT 990
if you're gonna meme, at least pick the right product, pajeet

>>106109168
they have even more treble emphasis you muslim bastard

>>106109128
>It's funny how basically none of the reviews mentioned anything about this
reviews normally are made under the optimal conditions, sound cards are never tested under heavy GPU load they just care about muh snr
>Wondering if I should have returned it or not
you should have

>>106109128
>coil whine
shitty psu

>>106109188
I only spent like $60 on this SBZ SE so it's still not a terrible loss I guess, it's only a problem when gaming. Guess if I wanted a card for gaming I should have just bought some old X-Fi and stuck it into my PCI slot machine or just gone straight for one of the external cards, even if it'd leave me without the ability to drive my speakers or microphone.

>>106109183
>>106109187
>listens to baroque at normal volume like a white man instead of a bass-loving nigger
your next cope, brownoids?

>>106109183
>>106109187
non-existent problem if you aren't listening at 100db like an idiot.

>>106109041
>resistance
it's impedance, you're not listening to DC you brainlet

>>106109121
you are not moving 250ohms with shit hardware lmao. you will hear...something, sure

>>106109238
Don't know about these charts but my ATR-MH50X's (which have 38 ohm impedance) with the SBZ SE are fucking loud as balls, I basically have to run the volume at 25% or lower (usually 2-5%) to avoid probably fucking my ears. Some of the treble gets REALLY loud and high and scratchy too. I usually test my audio with Solar Fields music.

>>106109222
I suggest you the Asus Xonar Essence STX, such a fucking great card
>built in preamp driving up to 600ohm impedance
>impedance selector from software
>dedicated stereo RCA
>6mm jack, no adapter needed
>optical out
>even HDA front panel connector for ur pleb headset

>>106109284
EQ or just turn it down
that simple

>>106109227
>>106109238
Now THIS is some beyer's remorse grade COPE. They even tried to preemptively project the cope.
Thanks, but I'll stick to my planar magnetics. Never touching dynamics ever again.

>>106109244
ESL moment.

>>106108544
>there is no use case for sound cards.
Very true for the average pc user (casuals included). Not so much true for any pc users trying to do sound/music work on their systems. I've had years of being spoiled by coreAudio on macs, but on pc any decent soundcard will shit on the stock Windows audio/asio drivers.

>>106109128
>It's funny how basically none of the reviews mentioned anything about this.
Seems like one of those circumstances where it's user error, or something with their setup, nothing major or serious though. I always assume you don't see many complaints because those that run into these sort of problems tend to fix them by simply redoing the cable-routing, or properly grounding something in their pc case. Not much different than people buying new monitors or headphones and it's picking up low/noise-floor buzzes and crackles, just do a quick check on the cables/plugs, etc.

I was about to buy the card in OPs pic also lol. Whatever I get, I'll probably consider the advice given in an earlier post with the pcie riser.

>>106109296
Apploo EarPoods on your shitty 32ohm mobo audio are not PM bro

current pc with sound card + riser

>>106109335
I run Sundaras actually, with picrel EQ

>>106109304
it's called impedance you pseud. not resistance. impedance includes reactance. stop talking about technical shit you don't understand, and also stop doubling down on your retardation

>>106109375
>literal lack of clarity in vocals and horns
lol
not the win you think it is

>>106109389
nigger it's AC resistance and you'd know that if you weren't a malnourished, frustrated shitskin

>>106109296
>not using electrostats
ngmi

>>106109389
NTA but you're brown.

>>106109402
it is not you imbecile, it's resistance + reactance, (which is present with coils). stop tripling down on being an absolute brainlet.
>Impedance is the total opposition that a circuit presents to alternating current (AC). It combines both resistance and reactance, and is represented as a complex number. The unit of impedance is ohms (Ω), and it is denoted by the symbol Z.
>Reactance is the opposition to AC caused by inductance and capacitance in a circuit. Unlike resistance, which dissipates energy as heat, reactance stores energy temporarily. It is also measured in ohms (Ω) and is represented by the symbol X.
impedance is not "resistance"

I just use a DAC hooked up to a USB
[spoiler]arctis nova pro[/spoiler]

>>106108492 (OP)
Fox IEM doesn't have this problem.

>>106109401
What are you talking about, planars can produce some brilliant fucking clarity. I absolutely adored how crystal clear vocals sounded on my HE400SE's. Haven't replicated that exact heavenly sensation on these Sundaras, but I can't complain either.

>>106109409
I kneel but those are bit outside my budget.
Sundaras are my endgame headphones. They look good and planars EQ to whatever you want,

>>106108492 (OP)
>Fuck me, how do you deal with GPU coil whine in your sound card?
buying a usb soundcard/dac

>>106109472
Wanna know why you're acting like an abused dog? It's because you can sense your inferiority in this conversation. Hush.

>>106109472
>impedance is not "resistance"
it's as idiotic as saying impedance is reactance. and saying the headphones are 250ohm reactance. it's that fucking retarded. stop misusing terms you don't even understand you pseuds

>>106108492 (OP)
It's not coil whine, just EMI. Better shielding and power filtering might help but there's not much you can do about that as an end user. The thing is that your modern PC throws around tens and hundreds of amps worth of current all over the place. The long 12V cables which pretty much stretch all over the PC carry tens of amps to the CPU and GPU and those are going to generate large amounts of EMI due to the uneven nature of CPU / GPU load and their uneven power consumption. What's worse, those 12V get turned into ~0.7-1.5V and hundreds of amps when they actually go into the CPU or GPU, over much shorter power traces of course but it's still a very, very high amount of current. The inside of a modern PC at load is just going to be very electrically noisy.

The best solution is to just get something USB-based and external, that way you take your audio device physically out of the EMI hellscape that's the inside of your computer case. Best shot for no background noise would be to get something with a separate power supply too, that way it's less likely to pick up any noise coming in from the computer's USB 5V power.

>>106109500
cope harder

>>106109472
holy shit you got btfo'd bro

>>106109506
Saying headphones have reactance is as retarded as saying headphones have resistance. It's impedance. Remember that.

>>106108492 (OP)
>sound cards
literal snake oil
Just get a simple DAC. fiio is decent

>>106109289
>6mm jack, no adapter needed
Oh nice, even if the big jack on my headphones is a bit short and can be extended with the 3.5mm adapter.
>optical out
>hda front panel connector
SBZ has those too I guess, which is good.

>>106109537
>he started posting wojaks
I never insulted your intelligence. I'm ok with you being stupid, alright?

>>106109519
Continue your pedantic seethe, please. It's hilarious.

192Khz is meant for editing audio, not actually just listening to it.
You can hear to up to 48Khz if you're under 30 and that's basically it, however when you start to edit the audio around, several operations can cause all sorts of aliasings and issues that don't happen when you have a much higher base frequency, but you're still targeting at 48-44Khz.

>>106108492 (OP)
Last time I had this, I realized I put the sound card in the wrong PCI slot. Some PCI lanes are shared, your motherboard's manual should have a section with a table or something. Try inserting the card in another PCI slot.

>>106109500
Brilliant insult my brother. It's not often that I get to read a fun, original and a well-mannered insult on this board. There surprisingly still is some sapient life on this board.

>>106109728
Based. Come visit me later, it gets lonely in Pee Pee Creek.

>>106108492 (OP)
>he doesn't enjoy the sacred sounds of computation
- put it in a different slot (free)
- build a pcie->mcio -> mcio cable -> mcio->pcie monstrosity and move the card outside the case, it will power it directly from psu, decoupling it from pcie power line noise ($200)
- buy a usb sound card, sell this one ($50)

If you only need 2 channel stereo output you can use any dac or receiver with optical input. Most mobos have some kind of spdif output built in and very cheap USB or PCI things are available with optical output too. It is completely electrically isolated from the computer.
Even if I use an av receiver with analog or HDMI I get some noise from the gpu because it comes through the ground.
If you need more than 2 channels PCM output I don't have a reasonably priced solution that is guaranteed to work. I just accept my speakers buzz a little if I play a game with surround sound.

>>106109663
That's worth trying

>>106109647
90s to mid 2000s we had so much media mastered in 48k and who can hear this aliasing on it?

>>106109074
I have these and I have driven them off my mobo and lgv20 and there is basically no difference. The biggest complaint would be that I can't blow out my hearing at max volume on pc but that's about it.

>>106108911 (checked)
>What is this, 1995?
I fucking wish.

/biz/ idea: sound proofed, refrigerant cooled, Faraday caged GPU enclosures

>>106108973
Put some steel wool inside. Thst will fill the port and make it tighter. The wool being steel will act as a conductor and create a connection with the plug.

>>106109402
Not an argument. He demolished you. Take the L, post a kneeling vegeta like the cuck you are and close the tab.

>>106110511
>still seething
We broke you. Hard. Left you sore and begging for more.

>>106110535
Not him. Still not an argument thoughever.

>>106110594
We broke you and made you our sissy boy toy. Are you ok with that?

>>106109485
“you’re brown” is a brownoid cope straight from the Pajeet Codex

>>106110683
>-oid suffix
>calls other people brown
you look like diarrhea

>>106110732
stop ban evading, Ramesh

>>106110790
>saar I report you for racism saar
Saaar I have dynamic IP. Let me post this here so that everybody can laugh at your hurt shitskin feelings kek

>>106110864
>allegedly has dynamic IP
>hides it anyway
kek
you won’t show your IP because it places you in Hyderabad or Tel Aviv

>>106110885
Stop crying.

>>106110935
Over the target.

>>106110954
You admitted you're a butthurt jeet. I accept your concession. Have fun living in India.

>>106110964
I’m not the one that wrote:
>Saaar I have dynamic IP.
and responded:
>Stop crying.
when the claim was made about your location, aka no attempt at a refutation.

He's still crying? Holy shit, life must suck in India.

You can try disabling some power features. I was able to get silent headphone output from an old PC of mine by disabling speedstep and a few other things. Try disabling ASPM and whatever else you can find in BIOS having to do with PCI-E power saving

>>106108492 (OP)
Why the fuck are soundcards still being sold? What a scam.

>>106109022
except AI and Graphics

>>106108492 (OP)
Pull the soundcard out of its slot by 1mm, That's what I did with my SBZ to get rid of the feedback/coil whine.
Then use a washer of some kind so you can tighten the bracket backdown while maintaining that gap.

Also the software features are way better on speakers greater than 2.1, People focus too much on headphones.

I had to get an external dac with toslink to resolve the issue

Tried to get pic related working but drivers are absolutely ass and wont recognize the card, too bad given it was somewhat liked

>>106109647
Lol nobody can hear up to 48KHz. Young children might just be able to hear 20KHz, but by the time you're 30 you'd be lucky to still hear 17KHz.
Sampling rate needs to be double the maximum frequency we want to capture because of the Nyquist sampling theorem and the industry picked 44.1 KHz as a technologically convenient sample rate, allowing the capture of frequencies up to 22.05 KHz.

>>106111992
some people are retarded and dont inform themselves properly on what the fuck to buy.
also, topping, despite being chinesium, makes some really good shit. the pa5 ii amp made a pretty big difference for my speakers compared to using my receiver's amp.

>>106112820
>Pull the soundcard out of its slot by 1mm,
Oh yeah that reminds me actually, securing the sound card in the PCIE slot with the bracket is problematic. It can sag or bend one way or the other and it might not fit quite right in some cases. It likes to wobble laterally. I wonder if that might be causing problems.

>Fuck me, how do you deal with GPU coil whine in your sound card?
The fuck are you on about?
Coil whine is the coil physically vibrating, creating sound waves directly, not something fucking with the electrical signals in your sound card.

>>106113954
usb = latency

>>106114787
>latency
It's sound. Just moving 1 feet away from the speakers adds more latency.

>>106108492 (OP)
I have that soundcard for my 5.1 speakers and an external DAC for headphones and mike. It's really comfy

>>106108973
Solder it or a new audio port back on and tack it down with a q-tip of epoxy. A 3.5mm jack has 3 or 4 whole fucking pins.
>buys audio card for non-audiophile purposes because you can't use a hot stick and some lead-tin to fix it for a couple bucks and 5 minutes of work

>>106114787
the fuck does this have to do with my post or the one i replied to?

>>106115407
you're shilling external usb dacs

>>106114787
>3ms on playback. 6ms for round trip
No one cares. Not even professional musicians.

>>106109128
>It's funny how basically none of the reviews mentioned anything about this.
Reviews for audio gear (professional or consumer tier) are beyond worthless. They're all either written by knuckle dragging mouth breathing troglodytes, paid shills or a combination of both.

>>106115445
i didn't, but you're retarded if you think a <1ms extra latency is not a good tradeoff for better audio quality, not to mention that most if not all external dacs support optical, so interface choice barely matters. the only downside is that almost none support hdmi.
for what its worth also, pc mobo integrated sound has started to use usb interface with alc4080 chips too, so what?

>>106108492 (OP)
retards can't isolate the noise of the 12V rail
fucking retards.

>>106108492 (OP)
Should have just bought an external audio interface. I have pic related and it "does the needful".
Why tf buys a "Sound BLASTER" these days, anyway?

>>106115462
>Not even professional musicians
I care you fucking nobody

>>106108492 (OP)
you buy a jds labs atom dac and amp and experience pitch black, zero-noise heaven

>>106116021
He said professional, not retarded neets who've never seen the inside of a recording studio.

>>106109364
audiophools phooled again

What the fuck do sound cards even do in 2025?
Modern high-quality DACs are tiny enough to be carried in a pocket, and contemporary operating systems do mixing entirely in software anyway.

>>106108492 (OP)
The inside of a PC is incredibly electrically noisy. An external sound card benefits from not being surrounded by noise. Your sound card could also just have poor power conditioning.

>>106108492 (OP)
Get a usb dongle. There's no need for a dedicated sound card in 2025.

>>106108492 (OP)
Get a DAC.

I use a DAC and voltage regulators.

>>106118357
Most motherboards don't have a good amp after the audio IC. Even if it would cost $0.5 for a good amp in the MB