Thread 106114681

>Be told that glowies know anything about me, that I need to give up
>Doesn't matter if I use VPNs, Tor, they can fingerprint me, study my browsing habits, analyze my data with AI, there's nowhere to run, I'll never be anonymous
>But they still need my ID becauuuuuuuuseeee....
Did /g/ lie to me?

>>106114681 (OP)
being this dumb
so you think porn sites have your information too?

They want to spread FUD and it works well with 4chan users because pessimism prevails here.
The situation is very bad, probably the worst it's ever been, but the fed types will always portray themselves as too powerful to oppose.

>>106114681 (OP)
Real answer:
The glowies can deanonymize/pwn almost everyone they focus on with enough time and effort, relative to their target's security practices. But they do not have the resources to pwn everyone in realtime. Even when their data gathering dragnet has everything on you, think for a second about what a mess the data will be, and how much crappy legacy software the glowies have to deal with (same as all tech organizations).

The point of the Digital ID system is to sweep away the legacy cruft in their surveillance tech and put everything in one convenient, centralized database. The threat is that this makes their operations orders of magnitude more efficient, and enables them to automatically control your IRL privileges (you don't have rights, the constitution was shredded after 9/11) through your digital ID, and vice versa, just like the Vax Pass did.

>>106114681 (OP)
>>106115206
I think they do have the resources to track everyone in real time, but they don't want people to realize that. Like governments keep their best super weapons a secret until they really need them. A digital ID achieves the same result, while keeping the appearance of normality.

>>106115394
There are only so many glowies. Their zogbot troops aren't smart enough to query a moderately complex dataset, even with AI assistance. So you still need glowie labor to get the dirt on people, and this is one of the main bottlenecks. Additionally like you say, they also withhold info for compartmentalization, their own security, and strategic deterrence.

The truth is that the panopticon is primarily for the "favored," the servile, malevolent and disgusting "middle class" that has been bio- and social- engineered into slaves who supplicate to massa to get their beloved slop.

Israel and Palestine are the model for future governments. It's a multi-tiered system. The elites (Jews) don't fear surveillance because they have permission to commit any kind of crime they want, including rape, drug trafficking, and murder, as long as they adhere to the government's program. They all know and celebrate how filthy and depraved their social and sexual habits are, they have nothing to hide. A middle tier of slaves (West Bank Palestinians) are subjected to more intensive surveillance to root out signs of resistance and blackmail individuals into becoming spies and collaborators. The bottom tier (Gaza) are marked for extermination, the surveillance is almost irrelevant to them because they'll be killed no matter what they do, and in fact, the better and more moral any individual is (eg doctors, teachers, priests), the higher they go on the kill list. And, those who are actually fighting back with weapons know by now how to correctly use airgaps and low/no tech solutions so the panopticon doesn't really apply to them either.

>>106115394
>I think they do have the resources to track everyone in real time
How many man hours do you think it takes to track one person with even a moderately secure set up.

They say they can still track you through VPNs and by fingerprinting so that you don't bother and just stay identifiable.

>>106114681 (OP)
Since we're all in the dragnet, I can say this. IF they're watching right now, fingerprinting and ID'ing people, and they watch users self select away from mainstream communications, you were clearly not worthy of being part of the society and the current internet. You can scrape what privacy you think you have and run a personal i2P or P2P chatroom over DC++, but you haven't earned the privilege of being on the surfaceweb anymore because of your ideological stance.
>not a glowie.

>>106115901
What makes you think this stuff isn't automated by now?

>>106114681 (OP)
you are your own cage

>>106115394
>Like governments keep their best super weapons a secret until they really need them.
That's true, but there's tiers of glowies. Do you think your local cop has access to the same set of tools that a tuxedo and sunglasses wearing NSA agent has? This will allow an even lower tier cop or FBI headquarters to have some serious tracking capabilities with little to no cost or showing their hands. The real shit, the shit snowden shared with us, will always be saved for real threats.

Legit criminals know how to blend well with the crowd and cover their tracks, regardless of how much surveillance technology daddy guvmnt implements. This is for the western goyim, who refuses to follow the noahide laws and pay the good goy tax.

Me? I don't care about goyim and their hedonistic activities being taken away. They forfeited their own freedoom and rights for convenience and easy access to degenerate and destructive vices. You reap what you sow, fag.

>>106114681 (OP)
It's all about threat level. IDs are being used to track the hordes of normies who will willingly give up that data, that's what they're betting on. If you're a higher-level threat, then they will dedicate more resources to finding you, and that will mean following your digital footprint.
Still, they have to know you're a higher level threat to begin with and they have to actively go out of their way to search for you, which is unrealistic unless you're a real VIP or have a previous history.
Now is the best time to become slightly more private, because now they have more resources at their disposal to track people like you. They don't have to care anymore about building a profile of normalfags, that has been done far more efficiently now.

>>106114681 (OP)
Because it would be easier to track activity of everyone. If the glowies need specifically you, they will track you down. But it will take much more time and effort.

Anyone telling you not to use encryption (in any form) or vpns because there is no real privacy is almost certainly a glowie, or is so stupid they are indistinguishable from a glowie.

Theres a reason they are actively trying to pry this technology out of the hands of the serfs. They wouldn't waste the time or effort if it wasn't impactful.

What are you guys even fucking doing that you're all worked up? Complaining about jews and downloading pirated chinese cartoons? Jerking off to questionable material?

>>106121252
nothing really. the point is that it doesn't matter, you wouldn't feel comfortable knowing there's a camera in your toilet
>so what are you hiding anyway, we all shit

>>106121364
I'm not even using the cliche
>nothing to hide nothing to fear
It's just, short of retarded domestic terrorist shit, they're never going to care what you're up to. You made it through the Biden era without getting locked up for wrongthink, and they actually wanted to do stuff like that.

Now you just can't use tax payer money to be antifa or do Iranian stuff.

The worst thing going on now is targeted cross platform ads.

>>106121414
unless you do something of yourself and your shit is suddenly useful for extortion or forcing you do shit you don't want to
I'm not even getting paid bruh, I do not consent of sharing my information. I require $100k a month for the first 3 months then price goes up. unless I'm getting this much I do not consent to my information being collected. fuck that shit bruh

>>106121435
I totally get you, and I don't like it either. I hate the corpo shit more than the govt shit desu.

I'm honestly more annoyed that openai was allowed to scrape the entire internet and then sell half retarded anti-normative version of it back to us, as they lobby with Microsoft's war chest to pull up the ladder behind them.

At least google and Facebook pretended to offer something in exchange for all of the personal information in the world.

>>106114681 (OP)
>Did /g/ lie to me?
Yes. They fell for the Snowden psyop, like everyone else. In reality they don't even need devices to monitor your movements and thoughts, and they haven't for decades. There is no "opt out". That's the big lie.

>>106115206
>The glowies can deanonymize/pwn almost everyone they focus on with enough time and effort, relative to their target's security practices
Nope. They can read your mind. Security is just a labyrinth to keep you running around.

A lesser adversary however, yes. Secuity practices will work against them.

>>106114681 (OP)
don't ever listen to defeatist fags

>>106121613
Don't ever listen to cringe anime posters.

Lol governments are so bankrupt they're asking you to voluntarily police yourself

Little shlomo is watching you from tel aviv or something

>>106114681 (OP)
"Passwordless" authentication requires pictures or fingerprints.

>>106121646
It's all largely automated (you absolute retard).

>>106114681 (OP)
Consider the following:
digitalization is a long and expensive process
Government jobs are exclusively stacked by boomers who can't into computers
Why would any government do manual digitalization when the people can be forced to do it for them?
And now you know why the EU wants you to verify who you are so they can sell you targeted ads and teslas.
Your school diplomas, your college degrees, your credit score, your subscriptions, medical records, phone numbers, driver's license, place of work(unless you work without a contract and don't pay taxes) is know to them.

>>106114865
>being this retarded
Choom, if you can find all of this info using sniffer tools, don't you think the glowies, who work for the fucking government, can just waltz over to the archives where they keep a file on every single citizen, and just take a copy? The Patriot Act and the NSA's Prism program already allow them to do just that, without a warrant. And other governments do it anyway without a care in the world.

>>106121705
Circumcised bugman poos out a reply and thinks it's supposed to make sense in the first world

>>106121763
Uncut chad puts retarded circumclampinated mod in his place.

>>106121763
Unless you meant their post. In that case yeah, probably. South Korea is majority circumcised, so there's quite a pool of cut brain bugmen to use for this kind of thing.

>>106114681 (OP)
man 90's anime (and early 00's) are peak aesthetically.

>>106121631
spotted the defeatist fag

>>106121792
Muhamjeet poos on the keyboard and hits post

>>106121813
Kay
Why
Ess

>glowies "know everything about me"
>can study my browsing habits and analyze my post structure
>don't post anything about anything

>>106121867
suck my cock

>>106122449
You are a creation of my mind, you don't even have a body.

>>106122495
>You are a creation of my mind, you don't even have a body.

fug :--DDD
i vill alwais be here 4 u, breddi boy :-DD

>>106114681 (OP)
no
ID just makes it astronomically easier

>>106121575
>>106121588
Basically at this point you just have to hope and pray you can maintain bodily autonomy and cross your fingers that someone isn't covertly drugging you or doing trials without your knowledge or consent - and if they're caught given a quick death penalty and made an example of.

Absolutely no one should have that level of power.

>>106115394
The digital ID thing is only a way to legitimatize the crimes they've been committing for decades. Through illegal and invasive means they've backdoored themselves into every system, but once digital ID is implemented all that data in their hands is now legal and easier than ever to collect.

>>106117173
What would happen if a large group of people became "higher-level threats" that necessitated large amounts of resources to track, even though they never do anything illegal?

>>106114681 (OP)
>trying this shit
the US 4th amendment is explicit against unlawful searches.
This has been extended to searches without cause.
The goal of the new exercise isn't to "find you" - they don't need your ID to find you, never did (see: ICE raids), what they do need is a concrete library of IDs they can reference, without cause, at any time.
No, they can't use the existing DMV records because that counts as without cause. By having these records directly attached to internet access, it immediately becomes with cause due to a lack of regulation (yes, even in 2025). If they try to link it to actual IDs specifically it gets tossed in every court of law.
>b-but you have nothing to hid-
Doesn't matter, having this library available to the stupid retards working in government relies on blind faith that they follow the laws that they write themselves (they don't) and that they're acting in my best interest/the interest of society at large (they're not, the only interest they're acting in is their own, the track record is embarrassing at this point - these are the same fucking bottom feeders that are trying to get a soapbox up for legalese in a tech forum to convince the tech crowd that they should take it up the ass, literally trying to convince people to work against their own best interest with their own tax dollars)
Fuck the CIA, fuck the FBI, fuck every alphabet soup agency, fuck langley, fuck elgin, hope all you glow in the dark ass pieces of shit get defunded for even trying this.

>>106123561
why would they become threats if they dindu anything illegal?

>>106123529
>all that data in their hands is now legal and easier than ever to collect.
people talk shit next to Alexa and if they fuck up all of it is used against them. people already do this on a daily basis. what's new? having your AI record every second of your conversations is already peak surveillance lol. the digital ID bullshit is for ads and shit

>>106114681 (OP)
>Be told that glowies know...
glowies told you this to deter you from using those services. You were a retard that didn't choose to actually read the documentations of those tools and just took their words for it.

>>106123612
you are literally and constantly posting on a honeypot website anon, complaining that the people running the honeypot want to gather your data. peak dissonance

>>106123561
There are no additional "required resources", it's an automated system. For the last fucking time. It would just add more layers to filter down who actually required manual review. Or just abandon manual review entirely for a certain class of actions.

>>106121749
>the archives where they keep a file on every single citizen
You're talking about the same government that lost my enlistment papers when I was in the military and kicked me out 3 years into service because they couldn't find them.

>>106123500
>Basically at this point you just have to hope and pray you can maintain bodily autonomy and cross your fingers that someone isn't covertly drugging you or doing trials without your knowledge or consent
The US already did this in the 70s lol

>>106123576
>hope all you glow in the dark ass pieces of shit get defunded for even trying this.
Donald won't defund his buddies.

>>106123632
This post I'm making can't be traced back to me. You can't even comprehend this power.

>>106124042
They're still doing it, just hope your name isn't on the docket. Being left alone is such a fucking luxury.

Nothing worse than some FUCKING IDIOT who just cant leave you alone and thinks they're helping when all they're doing is hurting by giving you SSRIs and other drugs without your consent- should be swiftly executed.

in b4 ALO penalty for slowing down a precious british driver

>>106123590
Because the government is doing something illegal.

This is such a fucking shitty joke of a country that deserves to fall into irrelevance.

>>106126682
>pic
unfortunately I quit way too late and have caused permanent damage to my brain and body, but I hope this catches on in the future

>>106114681 (OP)
All encryption is useless *sends encrypted message to nuclear submarine*

so uh retard here does that mean i won't be able to say or see mean words about women and the disabled and colored people on 4chinz if this shit comes to America