Thread 106116093

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
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Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC&diff=55476&oldid=55400

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X, 14400F, 12600K
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X, 14600K
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X, 265K*
Premium: 9950X3D
*Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
Budget single tower: Artic Freezer 36
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67


>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high-end: consider 2x48GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, RTX 5060 Ti
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT, Used 4070 Ti/Super
Workstation: used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>106007395

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)
prev thread: >>106110031

Thoughts on combining a 7700 cpu with a old 6600 gpu? I don't need much in terms of gpu, mostly doing more cpu intensive stuff.

>>106116093 (OP)
Thoughts?

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.
Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V). Win10 E-core scheduler subpar in multi-threaded loads.
Onboard audio: ALC987 - mediocre; ALC4080 (USB Audio) - immature; ALC1220 (HD audio) - premium, mature driver.
X870E: USB - M2 lane sharing

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

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>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>>106116110
sell it and use iGPU

>>106116111
looks good. what display?

>>106116111
It was brought to my attention that this PSU is not ATX 3.x one.

>>106116093 (OP)
Is KLEVV C930 anygood?
I mean SN5000, SN7100 have no dram right

>>106116148
its fine? 9070xt model is 3x8-pin. atx 3.x worrying is more of a 12vhpwr thing.

Is the RTX 5080 Super the most slap in the face card ever? Finally increasing vRAM after not making enough cards and forcing gamers to pay very high prices for low vRAM.

>>106116157
It's mediocre. I think some storage schizoes don't like Innogrit controllers.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/klevv-cras-c930-2tb-ssd-review
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/klevv-cras-c930-2-tb/19.html
https://www.kitguru.net/components/ssd-drives/simon-crisp/klevv-cras-c930-2tb-gen4-ssd-review/all/1/

>>106116171
>forcing gamers

>>106116179
>forcing gamers

>>106116178
So whats the cheapest alternative that has Dram?

>>106116195
:3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTCSNGIMAqs

>>106116171
>>106116195
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-50-super-series-launch-rumor

>>106116199
Just get the Klevv. Maybe check for Crucial T500 or Kingston KC 3000.

>>106116314
NV3??

Idk if any modern card will even run games in 5 years

>>106116111
Overspending on a retail 9800X3D, NVME, PSU, and slightly on the RAM. The non-SE Phantom Spirit is a bit heavier for the same price and therefore offers theoretical superior mounting and cooling dissipation for the same price.

A don't know about spending $150+ on a case, but it's a quality model and those are a personal decision.

Spending over $200 on a B850 is very seldom worth it. Check the feature set of the mobo and against your original pick and see if you are missing anything you want. In fact if you don't need 3 NVME slots and 2 is enough you can save another $40 with this board:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xFmNnQ/asrock-b650m-hm2-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-hm2

Edited PCPP List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y3fDHW
Saved ~$183

>>106116345
in 5 years we will have DirectX13.

all DX12 cards today will be obsolete.

>>106116366
Saving not even $40 to go with a 10% slower in gaming and 20% slower in productivity CPU makes zero sense

thots?
b650m mobo selection is shit here, won't be saving anything on that
reusing old psu
ram will be 6000cl30 chinkshit

>>106116366
But you recommended a micro atx mobo for a full size case

>>106116093 (OP)
I live in Peru unironically
$1000 for 7500F + 9060 XT 16gb
32gb ram

Is it normal?

>>106116338
DRAMless.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit?gid=0#gid=0

>>106116473
If you're asking whether that's a sensible config for a new gaming PC, I think it's fine.
Can't comment on the price because of regional differences.
9060 XT and 5060 Ti (including 16GB models) are about as good as a 3070 Ti with no VRAM bottlenecks.

>>106116455
how much for 7800x3d? here it's only $50 over 9700x

>>106116455
Compare Ryzen 7700/X pricing too, if this is just for gaming.

What GPU will run triple A games with 1% lows of at least 60 fps at 4k? Excluding anything above 1k$.

>>106116468
>But you recommended a micro atx mobo for a full size case
https://www.fractal-design.com/app/uploads/2024/02/North-XL_Product-Sheet_EN.pdf
>Motherboard compatibility E-ATX (330 mm)/ATX / mATX / Mini-ITX
And as a rule mATX boards will fit in a fullsize ATX case just fine. In fact, the extra clearance from the smaller boards makes initial assembly inside the case and cable routing easier.


>>106116448
I read it the SKU wrong and thought it was a tray version of the 9800X3D, my bad:
PCPP List Change: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3WGHgn
Still ~$138 saved.

>>106116557
>And as a rule mATX boards will fit in a fullsize ATX case just fine.
it would look like ass

>>106116546
about $45 more, how much of an improvement is that?
>>106116550
7700x is like $20 more unless i get one with a month long shipping then it's $250

>>106116557
I know it will fit, my point was more that it would look odd

Does external storage make sense or should I just install another ssd on my motherboard?

>>106116591
>about $45 more, how much of an improvement is that?
the higher the resolution you plan to game at, the lower the returns

Why are all the best cases mATX

>>106116643
Asus AP201

>buy 3070
>8gb quickly became gimped and the 3080 was much better value
>buy 5070ti
>they release a 24gb model a few months later
I cant seem to win

>>106116607
1440p, looked up some comparisons and seems like 9700x is a bit better?

>>106116665
>just bought a 5070 ti at msrp
Is 16g vram not enough?

>>106116688
Could be, at higher resolutions the difference between CPU shrinks.

I 2x16GB RAM good enough for a new rig or should I consider 2x32GB? Of course with a 6000CL30 setup

>>106116703
>>106116709

>normal use is considered "extreme worst case scenario" on oleds
uhh

>>106116093 (OP)
>Premium: 9950X3D
some minor reading but the 9950X3D seems to be AMD's i9 equivalent for us idiots that like to have too many things open at once?

>>106116723
What can 16g of vram not do?

>>106116709
2x32 without question. Computers and internet have zero optimization any longer.

>>106116729
Pretty much, 64GB of RAM too.
>>106116731
Fit a 17GB LLM.

>>106116595
Who cares, you aren't entering this PC into a beauty pageant.

>>106116764
>Pretty much, 64GB of RAM too.
I'm planning on possibly even more than that this time. My 10900k is getting tired of my nonsense.

>>106116795
well I upgrade every ~8 years and double the size of ram, this time it's 64GB
worst case right now is Tarkov that east 20GB of memory, worse during stupid-ass events when devs skip optimization
I've a maximum size page file on old SSD too.

>>106116781
This said, if you must have a full-ATX board I recommend this one for an extra $20:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CvcgXL/gigabyte-b650-eagle-ax-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-eagle-ax

>>106116824
I don't play a crazy amount of vidya on my PC anymore but memory usage is out of hand.

>>106116892
do you goon or run CPU LLM or something?

How do I debloat windows? I don't want all this shit

>>106116904
I have ancient cracked AusLogics BoostSpeed, it has many useful utilities to debload autostart, clean registry, temporary files etc.

>>106116899
Neither. I have a good amount of tabs open typically. Like I said, optimization is just non existent. My habits from when I put together this computer are the same. The only thing that has changed is/are updates to the software.

>>106116892
>53GB just of tabs
Impossible, you're lying or hiding something

>>106116956
Well I currently have 83 tabs open at 13GB. I am pretty sure that Chrome would just eat however much RAM you have free in the system anyway.

Are those extended holes for fitting older 1151 coolers? LMAO, what a feature. If only Intel didn't offset those by 1.5mm for zero reason in the first place.

>>106116963
Hiding nothing. I keep less open now than I used to even.

>>106116989
>293
Junior has eyes bout cannot see mount Tai

>>106117012
Does it make sense to you that a single tab requires 400 mb?

>>106117039
unoptimized extensions sometimes do that, like 4chan-x will start eating memory until you kill the tab
one time a stylus theme kept doing that until I deleted it
there must be extension that reloads page if it eats more than 2gb or something

>>106117049
youtube has some extreme memory leaks. Requires several user scripts to begin to think about fixing them. God help you if you watch a live stream.

>>106117068
oh the chat is completely fucked for 1000+ viewers, there's like 50 extensions to address that
google also rolls out experimental updates to random people all the time

What should I spend more money on if I'm going to be editing and streaming on my computer

>>106117082
9950x3d
Asus x870e proart
2x48gb 6000cl28 ram
Asus rtx5090 astral
1000w psu

>>106117082
core ultra is unironically good for productivity
if you're going to stream demanding games - get 2 PC streaming setup

>>106117096
At that point go for the 1400watt psu

>>106117049
I'm not sure, but I think the Stylus can be malware in itself
Or that was the Stylish extension? I'm not sure honestly

Is this based or cringe?

>>106116904
You can consider LTSC or one of the many alt windows flavors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjGV1NrO_Y
Also consult /fwt/ for a more comprehensive answer.

>>106117049
>>106117039
Yeah, memory leaks are a thing, 400 mb is not even much honestly for a jewtube tab, sometimes a single one takes 1 gb for me
It's probably worse on firefox for youtube, also the extensions can break too, like the ublock or noscript and they start taking gb or more, disabling them and reenabling after they free resources fixes this

what if I get a 9600x because I don't want to spend money

>>106117216
I contemplated it but 14600k is just faster
go 7800x3d or bust

>>106117216
It'll be good enough to not bottleneck any gpu. 3d vcache is nice but not entirely necessary unless you're playing an extremely cpu intense game. A better cpu helps but under $250 it can't be beat

>>106117156
I've tried it out and it works on in-browser video and makes a difference, but I kinda feel like the GPU usage isn't worth it. I turned it off since I sometimes play video on another screen while playing a game too.

>>106117163
bruh, I don't want to re-install!

>>106117325
In that case, watch these (@ 2X speed if needed):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtI6P2E4HW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbXzM60ad8I

Also see this:
https://www.pctips.com/debloat-windows-11/

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>106117605
you forgot your picture, retard

>>106117613
this guy is insanely pathetic

>single GeForce owner having issues
>this sends nviditroon into a blind rage to the point xhe starts accusing them of being a spammer
lol, you don’t look like a raving fanboy lunatic at all

>>106117613
what a sloppy fucking faggot, he forgot to post it on 29 july

>>106117163
What in the actual fuck?, no fucking way.

>>106117685
>accusing them of being a spammer

>>106117163
This looks like shilling of their custom OS, probably filled with backdoors and trojans.

>doubling down on his schizophrenia
lol, you don’t look like a raving fanboy lunatic at all

>>106116473
seems about right, here in chile a 9060 XT costs $700 and a 7500F $200.

I think you guys should stop forming identities around the brands of graphics cards that you purchase

I have an i5-2500K PC with a P8P67 LE motherboard. (Not my main PC so you don't have to tell me to buy a new one) I've been thinking of upgrading to an i7-3770K recently but yesterday someone recommended me to get an X99 motherboard with a Xeon 1650v3 instead. Should I take the Xeon pill? I've never used a server processor before. Said PC has a 1050 Ti so I use it for retro gaming. Currently running 10 LTSC, x64 XP SP2 and Vista with the extended kernel..

>>106117791
Can you show where anyone in this thread started that?

I'm at a loss. 5090 Astral for damn near four grand and the drivers just won't fucking work. Every game I open works for a few minutes then just a blackscreen. Help me pls.

>>106117803
>Help me pls.
Consider suicide.

>single GeForce owner still having issues and reposting to hopefully get help this time
>this sends nviditroon into a blind rage to the point xhe starts accusing them of being a spammer
lol, you don’t look like a raving fanboy lunatic at all

>>106117797
>but yesterday someone recommended me to get an X99 motherboard with a Xeon 1650v3 instead
I think that's because 2nd hand OEM Lenovo workstations with Xeon are dirt cheap. Their components are finnicky though.

>>106117827
clearly when I made that post I struck a nerve if you’ve stolen it and changed the words

so done with these fucking melting issues on my 5090. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones when my cable melted and whole pc caught on fire, I have to build a whole new pc. im suing nvidia and building an all amd pc with the settlement money fuck it idc anymore.

>single GeForce owner is a victim of the 12vhpr connector and posts their experience here
>this sends nviditroon into a blind rage to the point xhe starts accusing them of being a spammer
lol, you don’t look like a raving fanboy lunatic at all

would it be retarded to get a 5080 right now

Damn thread looks clean when you just hide the spammer retard together with stubs!

>>106117875
>16GB
I would say so.

>>106117887
how long must i wait

>>106117897
At the rate we're going, upon your death bed you will get a good gpu.

>>106117897
Specifically, until the end of year I guess?
Generally, AIshit is probably never going to go away and continue eating up chip supply.

>>106117605
>>106117744
>>106117803
>>106117847
Wow so has nvidias quality really degraded this much? 2070 owner here, I was looking at 5070 ti but I guess I'll get a 9070 XT now, its over 100 dollars cheaper anyway. Last time I had radeon was ATI in the 2000s

>>106117912
Im not sure I understand the waiting approach. Do people feel confident they'll be able to get one of the new release GPUs at retail upon release at (hopefully) year end? It's all well and good new models are on the way, but isnt scalping going to be as bad as it's always been? Or are people just resigned to paying the scalp price for a 5080 super or whatever

>>106117947
It's simple: you can get jacked up overpriced 5080 16 GB now or jacked up overpriced 5080 Super 24GB later.

>>106117960
Yeah I guess that makes sense all things equal. What a pain in the ass though

Is anyone genuinely stupid enough to value frame gen over real frames?

>>106117947
The 5080 16gb is this generations 3080 10gb. It's $1400 for fucking 16gb. People who bought this are going to feel like retards. It was SUPPOSED to be 24gb in the first place but samsung couldn't manufacture the 3gb gddr7 modules at scale in time for launch

>>106117697
>>106117735
Linus tested the grandfather of Custom Windows Builds awhile ago on a toaster and found the same results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc7CIkZcWYE
Modern vanilla Windows is just that obese. If nothing else go with LTSC + Post-Install Tweaking, these sorts of pre-stripped Windows version just streamline the process and save setup time.
*Disclaimer: I still run Win 7 and it'll be pried from my cold dead hand.

>>106118050
>5080 sold better than 5070ti
grim

>>106117912
>>106117910
i will stay with my 3070 then

>>106118073
I'm so glad I got one at msrp. Still $750 for 16g is a hard sell

>>106118074
I understand, I have a 3080. Somehow we teleported into the future and it's no longer "top of the line".

>>106118040
Yes, the 4K 240hz owners.

>>106118099
Spending more on a monitor than a cpu is wild to me

>>106118117
What? That's easily done when high end monitors are 800 plus.

>>106118132
NTA but yeah, that's wild.

not even LG can master basic pixel refresh implementation on their oled TVs
the pixel refresh nightmare continues

are EATX boards worth having? if i can get them for relatively cheap/similar price to a normal atx board

>>106118132
I game on 1440p and a decent 240hz monitor is like $200. I guess if you're going oled 4k or something but why would you do that nowadays

>>106118144
is this anything like pixel orbiting on LCD? I fucking hate this shit, made my eyes and head hurt until I figured to turn it off
>>106118146
Do you really need them?

>>106118117
>>106118132
>>106118133
Your monitor is what you are physically interacting with 100% of the time you use your system and can/will carry over between multiple upgrade cycles/new platforms. For a gaming/general purpose PC I'd say the monitor is what you really ought to be dedicating the most of your budget on outside the GPU, and yes including the CPU.

>>106118163
need? no. but i never had one honestly so its more of a curiosity thing for my next build.

>>106118170
Thanks hardware unboxed

>>106118170
>the chair, the table, the mug, the floor
Your argument about physically interacting sounds stupid. There's a difference between getting 95% way there for reasonable price and spending your entire build price on a monitor chasing the last 5%.

>>106117803
so done with these fucking driver issues on my 9070xt. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the DLSSschizo ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 5070ti fuck it idc anymore

>>106118189
It gets to a point where the last 5% is the most important and justifies that price

>>106118132
If you don't fall for the oled meme (lol) monitors are cheap as fuck now. I have a shitty little 20 inch va panel I bought for like $50 to use as a secondary screen and even it's pretty good and better than anything I could have reasonably obtained like a decade ago.

>>106118205
>last 5% is the most important and justifies that price
That's subjective and therefore "wild" to some people.

>>106116096
>you probably won't notice much difference
I hate to say it, but I can always feel the cord dragging along adding weight to the mouse. Literally my only problem with this mouse so far is just how despite feeling about as light as the Logitech Superlight 2 or whatever, the cord still feels like adding extra weight.

As for the GK850, I might have rolled a bad sample since these keys feel stiffer than on the open box 850K that I tried out in the store but dismissed for another sealed box that wasn't molested. And this spacebar is squeaking. The left side support clearly is either out of spec or not lubricated.

That's my luck I guess. I'll play around it for a little longer.

>>106118243
bro your wrist reps...

>>106118250
Nothing to do with that, I've wrangled a G502 for the better part of a decade, 3 of those at least being with a looped cable.

Definitely taking this keyboard back for service though if I don't feel like returning outright. The 60% layout is either wholly impractical or something to get used to for me. The 910K has worse switches though, ever so slightly at least. But if the margin of error between samples is this small, then it might not mattered.

>>106116093 (OP)
How do I get a soulful case like this? Can I pay someone to do it or do I have to be an expert carpenter myself?

>>106118217
>va panel
I have a VA panel too from work on my craft station. It's not very good. It was at the time a slightly higher tier samsung productivity monitor at the time.

>>106118272
>be an expert carpenter myself?
Bro this is like 3 layers of oil on wood, might not even be hardwood. Any man can do this decently well from 2nd try.

>>106118274
I don't know how anyone stands VA
I gather they shine the best in shooters but I don't play much of that and they have way too many downsides outside of it

I suppose this isn't the worst WPM on my first try with a 60% red keyboard, I was already pretty fast on the G213.

>>106118285
Not even close, 99% of people could not do this. 100% of this general could not do this.

>>106118287
They have no downsides besides ghosting and high end VA monitors have solved it so the only downside is cost.

>>106118307
1. Because they never try
2. Because they give up after 1st failed attempt (nobody's born good)
I insist that any motivated man can do same with little practice.

>>106118287
It was free so I'm not really complaining. Allows me to watch stuff while building gunpla or soldering something. It will definitely be replaced.

is it worth it with OLED? my main concern is how much babysitting it needs, feels like something i would stress about.
paying a 2-3x premium for something that severely degrades in a couple of years seems retarded.

>>106118338
It isn't worth it but if you have throwaway money than you can spend it on frivolous things. As long as you consider the money burned than go ahead but don't think of it as an investment because it's a money pit and once you start using them you won't be able to go back so you have to keep digging that pit deeper.

>>106118189
Well the current monitor landscape can really be boiled down into several buckets at a few price level bottlenecks with nothing in-between or above certain levels spec-wise:
Sub-$200: ~180Hz 1440p Fast-IPS:
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-pg27qft1b-27-qhd-180-hz-ips-black/p/N82E16824946003
~$250: 1440p MiniLED Fast-VA if contrast is valued and OLED isn't in the cards budget-wise
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/aoc-27-q27g40xmn-mini-led-qhd-180hz-gaming-monitor-black/6617199.p?skuId=6617199
Sub-$350 for 27" 4K MiniLED Fast-IPS (non-MiniLED 4K LCDs are just as if not more expensive for weaker perf):
https://www.amazon.com/KTC-Speakers-Adjustable-Mountable-M27T20/dp/B0BG3Y3G1S
$450-500: Entry-level 1440p QD-OLED
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D682HF6R?psc=1
$700-900: 4K QD-OLED (either 27" or 32")
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yjG2FT/alienware-aw2725q-267-3840-x-2160-240-hz-monitor-aw2725q
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/aoc-31-5-ag326ud-qd-oled-uhd-165hz-gaming-monitor-black/6617198.p?skuId=6617198

A difference of only ~$100 between a 1440p & 4K gaming monitor would be huge for general desktop usage and clarity and could be very worth cutting else in a build to make room for it. Similarly, the divisor between OLED and non-OLED monitors is stark and worth the cutting else in a build to get one for content consumption if the budget already had space for a ~$300-400 display to cover for the splurge.

>>106118361
nah

>>106118361
Monitors and tv's don't even start getting good until 1000+, everything below that is entry tier.

>>106118243
try arranging it in a way similar to a cord bungee, e.g. mine is taped to my monitor's back so it's suspended in air for the most part

>>106118361
>want a 32 inch monitor
>Want 4k
>144hz is fine as that's standard now, 60 hz is barely even on workstation monitors any more
>Most options now are oled, curved memery even
I doubt IPS has improved much over my XB271HU. There are few options for people like me even if I were to try to aim for non oled.

>>106118243
it's not dragging weight of cord, it's cord snagging on shit, leave it some slack and you'll be fine
>>106118361
>>106118170
>>106118132
Best I can do you is this. They're even lying about 75hz it's 60hz. No, I'm not buying 144hz 27" VA just to chaste those 144 low 1% FPS, are you insane?

>>106118414
>Monitors and tv's don't even start getting good until 1000+
It's not 2009 anymore grandpa, die and let the young inherit the earth already. Your opinions are bad and so are you.

ahhh i can't fucking decide between 9600x + 5060ti16gb or 9700x + 9070xt
i have the money but i'm not sure i need that performance, i've been mostly fine on my 6700k + 1080 rig for nearly a decade if not for gpu kicking the bucket

>>106118489
Why are you poor thoughbeit?

>>106118495
9600x + 9070xt

>>106118495
Always go for the better graphics card it will give you more peformance.

>>106118338
If you can afford an OLED, get an OLED.
We've been living with the fundamental flaws of poor contrast, colors, viewing angles, and motion performance for 20 years since CRTs ended production and all other panel tech options are sidegrade exercises in which compromise you willing to throw good money at and to make sacrifices against.
Modern OLEDs regardless of the company are guaranteed 3 years of explicit burn-in warranty and in the worst case you cash-in at the end of the period for a replacement that'd be good for another 3 years so 6 combined years at the minimum of usable lifetime and at the very end of which new inkjet printed OLEDs will be out and matured so an even better replacement will probably be like $100 or less (and that lifespan is likely more than that as OEMs would make their warranties excessively conservative to be 95% sure they'll last even longer than that to avoid getting bitten by RMA claims in the allotted timespan).
Example: https://www.msi.com/news/detail/3-Year-Burn-in-Warranty-for-MSI-OLED-Monitors-143207

And if you REALLY want to have your cake and eat it too just keep your current LCD monitor (or buy a cheap $50-80 office LCD) and run it with a dual-monitor arm setup as your desktop display for static content/productivity stuff and then reserve your OLED for dedicated dynamic media consumption session (YT browsing, downloaded video, comics, gaming, etc) and boom 10 years of realistic life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kPsKyF5bQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7W45pp-pN4

>>106118487
>chaste
*chase

>>106118508
>better replacement will probably be like $100 or less
Call me then. $800 for a monitor is wild.

>>106118502
feels kinda wrong getting a 6 core with a decent gpu

>>106118440
>I doubt IPS has improved much over my XB271HU
with IPS you'll have to play BLB lottery again. I got myself a new monitor with the successor panel of my previous one earlier this year and while it has higher fps it also has a bit BLB whereas my previous one had none. Sadly I had to get a new monitor cause my previous secondary was still using a DVI cable and I didn't want to use a HDMI adapter.

>>106118517
It isn't much better in games

>>106118516
>Call me then. $800 for a monitor is wild.
Entry-level OLED is almost half that price and the the worst/cheapest OLED is still better than the best LCD at any price.
It's comparing SSDs to HDDs.

>>106118548
>SSDs to HDDs
bad comparison. HDDs fulfill a far different purpose.

>>106118548
>Entry-level OLED
How many HZ?

>>106118495
On am5 the only good processors are x3d. Stop listening to reddit and just buy Intel.
>5060ti or 9070xt
You're missing an between step there, which is probably what someone with your type of budget should be looking at.
>>106118517
You're disabled. You can count the games that actually scale that well with one hand
>>106118498
I'm not but I'm also not going to sit here and pretend like you're actually gaining anything meaningful past like the $500/$600 mark for monitors. If you want to just throw money at your hobby go for it but don't try to drag other people into your satanic faggotry.
Also oled is the biggest meme and grift ever.

>>106118569
>Also oled is the biggest meme and grift ever
You've never seen one. Do you not even have a best buy in driving distance? Sad.

>>106118587
Are they making 24" 1080P 60HZ OLEDs yet? No? Then I am not:
>sitting in front of 27" TV with fuckhuge font scaling
>reserving giant-ass space on my desk for "gaming only" monitor
>scrambling to put together $10000 rig that could match 240Hz natively because FG & upscalers BAD!
>spending $900 on a monitor because that's how much cheapest Samsung Odyssey costs here
>inb4 why are you poor?
What is your goal here? Just to put people down for not spending their rig price in monitor? It's fucking insane expenditure and you're not convincing me.

Thinking of building a new rig based around a 9800x3D, but keeping my current 3060 TI until I upgrade to a better card at some point in the future. Is this retarded? From comparing the 3060 TI to others on Userbenchmarks it seems like I'm not going to see a massive increase in performance unless I upgrade to a top of the line 5090/9070 card which I'm not willing to pay for right now.

>>106118314
>They have no downsides besides ghosting and high end VA monitors have solved it so the only downside is cost.
Their viewing angles are still bad. IIRC think even TNs have less off-axis gamma/chroma shift.
The just released MiniLED-based AOC Q27G40XMN is an otherwise excellent non-OLED monitor but this is their results in that area:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g40xmn#test_1417
And no, Samsung's more expensive VA panels didn't solve the issue either:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g8-s32bg85#test_1417

>>106118607
>60hz
Why wouldn't you go for a higher refresh rate capable monitor? Just set your GPU to output at 60 only.

>>106118610
I'd keep the money, CPU market isn't as bad as GPU so no reason to hurry.

>>106118627
>get 240hz monitor you need it bro, trust
>lmao just set GPU output to 60 FPS
I see.

>>106118626
>Their viewing angles are still bad.
Have you considered sitting in front of your monitor?

>>106118640
>Toyota offers you a 300 hp vehicle
>you stamp your feet demanding 150 hp less for same price or more

>>106118587
I've had 2 now because faggots like you memed me into it, will never make that mistake again.
>best buy
Boomer alert, we order things online now

>>106118555
>Entry-level OLED
>How many HZ?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D682HF6R?psc=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0PS9yM-t6Y
The cheapest OLED monitors right now start at 240Hz which is still more than the 144/165Hz cap of flagship OLED TVs costing several times as much and also remember because they have essential zero response times, 240Hz OLED's effective MPRT is equivalent to a 360Hz non-strobed LCD.

>>106118665
>car analogy
You're shoving your 300hp Toyota down my throat labeling my unwillingness to purchase poordom and demanding I stop settling for modest cost-effective performance that I am comfortable is. >>106118691
I don't play Valorant. Why do I need 240Hz for single-player games where my rig can only pull 80 low 1% fps?

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=chg
>RDNA4 still missing this far after launch
>5070 leads massively compared any other new graphic card at 1.32% with the 5080 (0.65%) and 5070Ti (0.63%) in second and third
what went wrong for AMD? and why is everyone buying a 5070? i thought techtubers hated that card?

>>106118495
>9700x + 9070xt
that one dummy

>>106118699
>I don't play Valorant
Nobody gives a shit if you do. The standard has been upgraded at no extra cost and you're crying like a bitch over this fact. You are even given an option to limit yourself since you want to for some goddamned unfathomable reason. Protip, a higher refresh rate even makes normal web browsing smoother.

>>106118713
The question is does Radeon even exist in prebuilts?

>>106118728
does this count? i'm pretty sure it does
https://costplusgaming.com/products/enthusiast-tier-m1-flow?variant=51343088091410

>>106118713
Nvidia actually ships cards. It's not hard to understand. Nvidia ships 8-10 million cards a quarter. AMD ships 500,000 to 1 million cards a quarter. It's not even in the same league.

>>106118726
>Nobody gives a shit if you do.
You faggot clearly give a shit what monitor I buy or don't buy.
>The standard has been upgraded
Good, fuck off with it from my face: I don't need it.

what would a 2nd class ai workstation look like?
just any new nvidia 16 gb vram gpu, 128 gb ram and whatever cpu?

>>106118713
AMD GPU are overpriced and unavailable, that's what I am seeing at least. They're supposed to be cheaper than NVIDIA but the supply is so shit that they're equal in price.

>>106118753
2nd class is literally the 5090 these days

>>106118753
Poorfag pedophiles like you have been buying the 3090

>>106118752
Tough shit.

what about 9600x + 5070ti?

>>106118784
>5070ti
terrible value right now
>>106118773
>pedophiles
AI porn is terrible. Do people really go for it? I only ever used LLMs for translation.

>>106118773
>Poorfag pedophiles
wtf?
I'm not a poorfag
I just hate spending my saved up money.
You watching the number on my bank account go down instead of up sucks.

>>106118798
even jews buy ferraris
you're standing in your own way

>>106118794
it's only $100 over the 9070xt thoughbeit
>Do people really go for it?
open up the 'popular' page on panda, it's full of horrendous aislop

>>106118713
Steamhardware surveys are a lagging indicator. After their 0-Day MRSP cards sold through and the restocks were price-gouged out people decided AMD was cooked and went with the closest Nvidia option. It has only been very recently that their GPU prices has even approached their vaulted MSRPs:
https://bestvaluegpu.com/history/new-and-used-rx-9070-price-history-and-specs/

Also >>106118750 is correct. AMD simply doesn't care if they keep losing GPU marketshare quarter after quarter because minting volumes of Radeon dies competes with their more lucrative server/enterprise CPU orders. They never should have bought ATi if this is how they treat their graphics division. They could at least design their cards to be minted on a different node which wouldn't cannibalize their core product money-makers (even if it were slower so long as they could ship in volume for cheaper).

>>106118835
It's made money in consoles, they own that whole market especially having Sony being their customer for life

>>106118823
>even jews buy ferraris
All of them? Because that's what you're suggesting.

>>106118835
They used to own 30-40% of the GPU market before Lisa su
Now she just wants Radeon to have a hefty margin no matter what, even if it means shipping less GPUs

>>106118784
>9600x
Why this one specifically?
>5070ti
Good. But also check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXyntHZI-0
9070 is more expensive than a 5070 so that immediately makes it totally worthless, 9070xt you're usually too close in price the 70ti + you want dlss and ray reconstruction
>>106118798
>>106118794
All local ai fans are pedophiles until explicitly proven otherwise.
>>106118823
Jews also live in filth if they can't afford to pay someone to clean house and are universally retarded inbreds.

>>106118626
>Their viewing angles are still bad
Why are we pretending like that matters for computer monitors? No one is sitting at their desk at some crazy angle.

>>106118901
Why did you quote the other guy? He didn't argue about pedophile part. What's a pedophile nowadays even? 14 years? 17 and 11 months? 23? Anyone younger than Karen spamming senator inbox with "ban violent games!"?

>>106118901
>Why this one specifically?
7000 series cpus cost more here

>>106118922
>No one is sitting at their desk at some crazy angle

I bought a 9070 XT purely to spite Nvidia's unhinged level of greed. If they arent punished for this the way Intel has been, dont come crying to me when the MSRP gets bumped up another $500 for every tier.

>>106119035
>I bought a 9070 XT purely to spite Nvidia's unhinged level of greed and encouraged AMD insane GPU undersupply policy

>>106119087
Lesser of two evils

This intel shill really needs to fuck off. 9600x with cl30 6000 ram gets you most of the performance of an overclocked 14th gen using a 500 dollar mobo and 200 dollar 8000 megatransfers ram and you have the ability to upgrade to an x3d processor in the future. Intel you are stuck on a dead socket.

>>106119104
>fuck up VRAM vendor supply planning and had to cut new gen GPU models VRAM volume
>consciously make a choice of prioritizing CPU production over GPU, declaring glorious MSRP that are nowhere near real prices due to lack of supply

At least NVIDIA is a GPU company.

>>106119110
>most of the performance of
But not all, for the same price.
>8000 megatransfers ram
14600k is faster with same RAM, no need for 8000MT.
>have the ability to upgrade
If you had the "ability", why did you buy 9600x instead of current X3D processors? Where will you get this "ability" to buy future X3D processor, when you cheaped out now when X3D is clearly top of the line for gaming?
>dead socket
Bartlett Lake-S is still coming out. And nobody is upgrading their PC every 3 years except content creators. People upgrade when their shit stops running good aka every 6-10 years, at which point, almost entire system is a throwaway whether it's Intel or AMD.

>>106119118
In the CPU category, AMD could easily become the new bad guys if Intel folds and they gain a de facto monopoly. But we're not there yet. Right now, what the industry needs is for Intel to stop being retarded and become a serious CPU competitor again, and Nvidia to pump the breaks on their GPU price gouging and enter the CPU market as well.

>>106119164
>enter the CPU market as well.
Can they even make x86 processors? I thought they can't, legally. They're tried to release some atomshit with essentially integrated 5080 (to compete with AMD in consoles no doubt) but it fell through and was postponed.

>monitor stands are full retard in size and design so they take up way too much space
>dont want to buy multiple arms to mount them all
Ive fucking played myself

>>106118922
I am leaning all the way back with my feet on the desk to the left of my keyboard pretty much all the time for casual games and browsing and only sit at a normal viewing angle during competitive play. My desk chair is actually wearing out from this.

>>106119198
>>106118626
>Their viewing angles are still bad
For (you).

>>106116093 (OP)
Uh Kino case alert

>>106119110
>This intel shill
Schizo, more than one person can hold an opinion
>$500 mobo
Yeah no try like $150 new or like $60/$70 used. Even fancy z790 boards aren't hard to get for under $100 second hand.
>muh in socket upgrade
yeah lol like that matters anymore you fucking nigger. By the time most people in that situation would be looking to upgrade they'd be better off just buying into a new socket.

>>106116093 (OP)
Looking for a total new build more or less and honestly, I didn't expect the AM5 Chipset clusterfuck to be my biggest hurdle, basically debating between
>Ryzen 7 7700 (Ali Tray special)/ Ryzen 5 9600
>Motherboard [TBD]
>RX 9070 XT (Cheap in bongland compared to the RTX cards)
>1-2TB NVME SSD

>>106119205
so they lost a buyer

>>106119198
I wish I could find a chair that is like my leap but reclines more.

>>106117605
>>106117917

>>106119214
The other biggest hurdle is whether to go SSF or not as I might be going half way across the country soon to temporary accommodation.

>>106119218
>(world) display manufacturers don't pander to my niche (retarded) sitting posture
Woe them.

>>106119229
Yep

>>106119214
>Motherboard [TBD]
>>106119228
>SSF
picrelated
>mATX
Asus TUF GAMING B850M-PLUS

>>106119251
>£250 motherboard
>MFW my CPU is only going to be £140~

>Optiscaler: As a result of spoofing the Nvidia card to enable DLSS some games would use an Nvidia-optimized codepath which may result in lower performance on other GPUs.

how is this not illegal

>>106119267
I'm autist and only filter mobos by decent onboard audio. If you're fine with carrying separate USB sound card with you, go for any.

>>106119281
who cares on playstations need that optifailer shit

>>106119281
Can you translate this for ESL? What "other GPUs"?

>>106119282
I have a pretty okay DAC, Some old Fiio I bought maybe 8-9 years ago so onboard audio isn't too much of an issue for me.

>>106119281
>such is life in AMDPooria

>>106119296
Still not buying green.
>y-you're poor
Dont care. Not buying it.

>>106119290
>>106119291
>>106119296
A while back Intel got slapped with antitrust for doing similar shit.

>If detect genuineIntel, do compiler optimizations
>if detect AuthenticAMD, do not do compiler optimizations

>>106119314
Tell Jensen to bring it up with Trump at the next meeting t

>>106119281
>>106119296
they dont even try to hide it btw

>>106118923
>What's a pedophile nowadays even?
It's whoever your enemy is. There is no age limit it's just another attack word you can use without a shred of proof or context.

>>106119291
Certain games will fallback to worse methods or dont show graphics options at fall because they use a whitelist/blacklist system for GPUs.

>>106119228
The smallest you should go is matx for pricing of components.

>get mx master 3s because it's a "productivity" mouse
>>polling rate makes it feel more sluggy than a cheap 45 buck razer mouse
>get proart mb because it's for "creators"
>no optical audio, shitty heatsink, and very limited memory
>all noctua, proart, and other "creator" gpu's are locked at the 80 class
>...

>>106119339
This is just disgusting. My hatred of Nvidia only grows by the day.

>oil change everyday
>empy gas tank everyday
>catastrophic engine failure imminent without extreme caution
>warning
>alert
>beep beep
>tick tock
>nothing lasts forever, impermanence, death looms
yeah i'll take one, 500% more expensive right?

>>106119356
I can't actually figure out what you're shitposting about.

>>106119351
What the fuck is a productivity mouse?

>>106119363
I think he's seething about OLED maintenance but I can't be sure.

>>106119339
>Wuthering Waves

>>106119381
Oh I understand now with that context.

https://youtu.be/aWfMibZ8t00?si=Vzojl-RJvYeGg7UH
Nvidiacucks could never

he's spamming the thread desperate to get it to 300 so he can make his shitty bait OP that's and make the same 100 baitposts again

>>106119369
Tf I know if it has a low polling rate
But the vertical scroll wheel and gesture buttons are neat

>>106119425
As an impartial third party if you tell me what to use for the OP I'll try and make it.

>>106119351
does that mean "creator" is as much of a scam as "gaming" just in a different way?

if I get an Arctic Liquid Freezer III 280, what are the chances of it leaking and ruining my life?

>>106119351
mx master 3 is a great mouse. still havent found a replacement for it. every other mouse feels too light and tiny to me

>>106119351
>optical audio
might I recommend a cheap but good DAC instead?

>>106119458
Greater than 0 and higher than if you just used an air cooler like a normal person.
But likely still 0. If you want it go for it just be very careful during installation and keep an eye on it.

>>106119458
Are there reports of AIOs leaking or something? I have yet to see one do that.

>>106119472
at least the whole gaming mice sector tries now to be as light as possible cause that's apparently what esport-tards want.

>>106119472
>too light
Light is ideal, you are hurting your wrist wrenching that monstrosity around. Lighter the better, this mouse changed my world and I can never go back.

>>106119472
I hate ergonomic mice. Not because theyre a bad idea, but because Im left handed and literally no one gives a shit about selling me mouse. The attitude is "go ambidextrous or dont use a PC fuck you".

>>106119504
Did you even bother to do a search ? I'm not saying to get this but it looks like they do exist.

>>106119503
how limp wristed do you have to be to hurt your hand by using a mouse?

>>106119523
Thats like the only one.

>>106119457
I guess
Seems backwards to me
Wouldn't "creator/workstation" products be on the literal highest end and gaming crap trailing behind?

>>106119527
Hand injuries such as carpel tunnel are common, don't pretend like they aren't a thing. You think you are immortal because you are young. Nothing wrong with that I was the same way. As you age your body starts to fall apart in the strangest ways. I've had to change a lot of my things to make them more comfortable over time. A light mouse is just very easy to move around and puts less pressure on your joints. You'll come to appreciate that one day.

>>106119504
>>106119472
Light and ergonomic is ideal
Yes, we can have the best of both worlds, and whoever makes that perfect mouse, with a decent polling rate, will make bank.

>>106116093 (OP)
>Wordford reserve
Pleb taste.

If you're gonna spend $$$ to make a custom case themed around bourbon, at least get something rare/noteworthy to showcase.


That's just a standard $40 bottle of whiskey.

Good bourbon for the price sure, but not something i'd theme an entire case around, unless you work for woodford maybe.

>>106119448
1. copy this into OP >>106116093 (OP)
2. update "prev thread" link: >>106116093 (OP)
3. subject: /pcbg/ - PC Building General
4. nice build picture
5. submit
6. post this too >>106116114

>>106119550
considering im over 40 and still using the same mouse, i think ill pass on that and just use what feels good in my hand. mice that dont weigh anything are shit and will always feel like shit

>>106119523
To be more specific, I already own one of these. But its literally the only option. There is no spectrum of choice, its this or nothing. Left handed trackball? Doesnt exist. Left handed gaming mouse? Doesnt exist. Literally any other permutation of vertical mouse? Doesnt exist.

>>106119573
Thats fine, different strokes and all. Light mice feel good to me, but I'm sure you are happy with yours, we're all winning.

>>106119573
>>106119527
individual experience is not statistics
people have skeleton that differs by dozen of small bones between individuals
everyone's ergonomics are little bit different
and if you fuck it up and use a tool that is unfit for your hand every day for hours to end, you're going to have a problem

>>106119582
I've heard lefties can train themselves to use normal mice even if they still write with their left hand. Have you ever given it a shot? My brother is left handed but he uses a right handed mouse no problem.

>>106119391
nvidia sponsored game btw

>>106119351
>>106119472
I'm waiting for the mx master 4. Surely they'll give it a decent polling rate this time.

>>106119606
I dont want to and shouldnt have to. We're 10% of the population. There's as many lefties as gays yet we get nothing while you can be rendered homeless for not sufficiently pandering to fags.

>>106119589
thats fine and all, but im mostly losing here since almost every single mouse nowadays is made to be compact and to weigh as little as possible. if i could get a mouse like the mx3 with a higher polling rate it would be perfect for me, but the closest one to that is some chink copy from ali which is a damn shame. either way im just one guy, at best im gonna have to design a mouse by myself for myself. feels bad

>>106119294
I use a foccusrite from like 12 years ago and I have a firewyre card just to use it

>>106119618
I sure hope...

>>106119618
>inb4 its even worse than 3
for the love of god PLEASE

>>106119569
Ok but the OP is over the word limit I don't know how it was even able to be posted I had to cut a few spaces just to make it. Also I used a funny pic about computer stuff instead of just a picture of a computer please don't get too angry.

>>106119620
That is highly exaggerated the real gay population is barely above 3% but still I agree you guys should have options too.

>>106119623
Is it the shape of the mx3 or just the weight or what is it specifically you are looking for? There is probably something else out there if you aren't too picky.

>>106117832
>Their components are finnicky though.
Can you elaborate? Should I stay away from a Xeon that was taken out of a Lenovo OEM?

>>106119662
Nm I figured it out, move whenever.
>>106119703
>>106119703
>>106119703

>>106119472
I heard Keychron's meant to have a competitor for it

>>106119678
I didnt really care about the ergonomic shape at first but it did grow on me. Its just the feel of the whole package, nice chunky large mouse that feels nice to move. I saw that razor has something similar some time ago and got one, but it just felt bad to use. Maybe im just too picky, but its not like there are that many options. Like I said, if i could get the mx3 but with an actually good polling rate, I would buy it in a heart beat.

>>106119836
Try this might be what you are looking for. https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-m6-wireless-mouse

>>106119889
this doesnt look that bad, maybe il give it a try.

>>106119582
What about this human solution website? it seems they have several potions.

What's the deal with audiochips on motherboards? Do newer ones really make a big difference when it comes to sound? The only reason for me to get a b850 or higher is the audiochip.

>>106116093 (OP)
Is it as good idea to vertically mount a 5090 since Gen 5.0 riser cables basically don't exist. It's for an open loop.

>>106120501
Im pretty sure i saw a gen 5 riser a few days ago on sale? could be wrong though