Why did normies give large tech companies so much power? God I hate them

Google and Amazon are basically our government now

You mean governments.

Run for office. Talk about how you want to reign in big tech. Get those votes. Be the man of action I know you can be.

>>106120064
acting from the mandate of the people
by the people, for the people

>>106120055 (OP)
america was broke as fuck and they exchanged giving power to corpos for infrastructure
im talking 1850s era

then ww1, ww2 and usa leveraged its economical ascendancy with the marshal plan and whatnot to force europe to deregulate its markets
70 more years of globalist lobbying and we have the EU with all its clownery

Dismantle all corporations at the human level with your bare hands. Rip the buildings open. Total corpobro death now. Save the globe. Expose the guts of the ceos to their families. Wear their faces as masks in front of their children and upload the videos to their own servers. Tick tock tick tock, society is activating. The great retrvn begins with every Indian they've brought to shore. Turn every shitting district in silicon valley into rivers of blood and jeetfoam

>>106120055 (OP)
If you don't have an army you don't have power. You can borrow an army on payroll, but in the end their loyalties are with their governments. Governments and nations, and consequently people like you have power, but no sense of responsiblity, so you blame "NPCs".

If only the government could break up tech monopolies. Wait, it almost did under Biden, but amerimutts decided to give the fat retarded billionaire another shot because girl cock!

>>106120072
Sweet summer child. He still thinks democracy works.

>>106120156
Biden and Trump are barely different. Vote for Bernie Sanders.

>>106120195
>do nothing, thats surely gonna help
retard.
also yeah, democracy works.
or you wouldnt have elections, duh
why bother and risk losing if it wasnt needed?
why attempting at delegalizing the afd and the likes?

>>106120195
based and zased

>>106120241
>nafo shill takes part in anti-democratic demoralization
why am i not surprized?

>>106120156
>red v blue team

>>106120055 (OP)
so xir men could fuck milennial chicks on faceberg 10 years ago

>>106120055 (OP)
That one moment during Trump's inauguration... Very grim

I have never been given an adequate explanation as to why I should hate corporations

>>106120055 (OP)
Convenience. Convenience and safety. Empires don't become Empires for no reason. They offer some that isolation does not. You offload responsibility to another, like a Wall Guard, or a Cybersecurity specialist, you can be more productive, they can be the line between you and the unwashed.
You can disconnect, right now. Go make your own DC++ node and have your friends connect to it. Sure, it'll be a shanty town in comparison, but it'll be yours.

(((Normies)))

>>106120055 (OP)
Anti corporate obsession is a mental illness, states are your enemy and they coerce these tech companies to fuck you over.

>>106120055 (OP)
governments give them the power. corporations will always do as much as legally possible, even step on the other side of the line now and then.

>>106122289
you can get that without abusing the people. problem is for every bit of "convenience" you get you pay a fuck load in other ways

>>106122512
anyone who obsessively hoards power is someone to be wary of.

>>106122556
>abuse
I agree. You can be secure and not want such a drastic overreach. "I am 18+ and I want to continue" checks are perfect i this way. Which is why the spearhead effort is concentrated around "Think of the kids". Optics are on their side when it comes to Digital ID. They know its not going to be popular, so they use this method.
>problem is for every bit of "convenience" you get you pay a fuck load in other ways
yeah. this has been the crux of things since the US was born. Benjamin Franklin did say "those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". You and I both know, being responsible internet users, that we will be placed into the same dragnet as the 5%ile, as well as the 95%ile of users, all subject to the same standards of ID. Those who have lived under scrutiny will continue to operate outside of the regular channels, and those who operate under mainstream communication will be punished. That's all it really is

>>106120055 (OP)
Because America was built in Protestant ideals where money = god
Look at the Protestant work ethic and tell me if it could go anywhere else?
>diligence, discipline, and frugality
>work hard, obey and own nothing

It works like this:
>normies work hard, until they doesn't have time or energy for anything
>they obey what the current order is, and they don't want anything special
>so they buy the convenient normiephone, to use convenient normieweb

>>106122672
the intent is to improve the human condition.
>Roman can only think in gold and silver
small wonder they think they can buy themselves into heaven

>>106122672
every system found a way to milk the slaves, else it wouldn't exist at this point. there's no way to have a "healthy system" because there's need for work, the harder the people work, the more resources, the more global power. there's no way around this. so various societies found various way of *determining* the pleb to work. with carrot or the stick. problem comes down to the environment and human nature. there's so many games that can be played to remain relevant on the global stage. all of them come with downsides since you NEED to determine your cattle to work, like it or not. nationalistic brainwash ideals, money, health insurance and housing. somehow you must do it.

>>106122695
You don't improve human condition by sacrificing human condition in the process

>>106122704
Plebeians working is part of the natural order
Now economy trying to speed up towards nowhere, bubble after bubble, people working until they die while every form of entertainment is frowned upon is not part of the natural order
"Bread and circus" is one thing, "Crumbs and going to the circus is forbidden" is another

>>106122695
>the intent is to improve the human condition.
doubt that's a priority, rather a necessity for your system to make sense. you point to it getting better to justify keeping working for it. it really is better, from certain points of view, compared to the past. but there's things where it just cannot get better, ever. as long as you need people to forcibly work you cannot make that aspect better, they need to be coerced by some fear. fear of not affording healthcare, food, housing, a family, anything you can use as a fear to make them work. hence it cannot ever get better from that point of view, if it gets better...they don't work anymore, they become a resource drag on the system, you need to import other slaves, mfs complain they get replaced, you kick the slaves out, you put them back to work. someone gotta work. somehow.

>>106122732
>Plebeians working is part of the natural order
that's evil, if you're seeing it as normal. that has only one outcome, wiping them out when they're not needed for work anymore. since...it's the natural order. without work for them, they're not needed anymore. thus that philosophy has a certain outcome in the not so far future when robots hit the scene. innit?

>>106122747
The problem is that you also come from a Protestant root to think a HUMAN BEING has no value besides their work, and that things that are not needed have to be wiped out

you are good at coding and understanding technology and how it is gonna be a natural requirement for humanity right?

>>106122770
no such thing, I'm merely translating what will happen with that mentality. I happen to think there's no difference between the beggar and the king. merely some genetic lottery, if that, and mostly space-time birth coordinates which kind of set you up, largely, statistically speaking. if anything I'm probably at the opposite of your guess. more like trying to figure out ways for shit to work out for everyone as it were.

>>106122794
>more like trying to figure out ways for shit to work out for everyone as it were.
which is impossible without understanding the real state of things

>>106122794
That would only happen if the country has protestant or french revolution roots
The point is that if you are birth in a certain way, to achieve another way it's a massive use of energy that would sacrifice one's life and well-being to achieve
A logic that comes from puritanism: >>106122708
The plebeians aren't doing bad when living in the way they want, working a bit here and there, they suffer when they are humiliated for being plebeians or pushed into changing for no reason other than equality

>>106122825
if you are born*

>>106122825
that philosophy requires humans cannot quickly change, and in makes sense in that respect. unless they can, enabled by technology, in which cases a lot of old philosophies go to shit. I'm not faulting what worked, too much. it got us here, I get it. but don't mistake what was for what will be. that is a mistake, and old games won't hold anymore. easy solution is mass wipe of the problem, I know psychos in power easily default to it.

>>106122846
In believe in the natural order:
If they naturally change into a better situation = good
If they are pushed up or down by either socialism or capitalism = bad
The only way to help plebeians, is to build bridges that they have the opportunity to cross but aren't obliged or forced to do it

The psychos in power come from the puritan roots I mentioned, so they will definitely default to mass killings if they need to, thing that is already happening in the middle east
So certainly there's no natural order in the US, I agree with that
I'm not pointing the solution to the problem, but how I believe this should have been

>>106122891
there is no "natural" thing. that's some primitive bullshit which is meant to say "how things were", it's quite confusing and misused. there's nothing natural in developed societies way of life these days. phones are not natural, working in certain spaces is not natural. we do a lot of shit that's not natural, "for the better of the group". and of some psychos in particular.
the natural argument is not enough, it's vague. surgeries are not natural yet do overwhelming good, ultimately. so does laser eye surgery and a lot of other "unnatural" things. what matter is if we're happier and better off as a group on the other side of whatever can be deemed natural or unnatural.

>>106122708
working hard so others benefits is precisely how you improve it, actually.

>>106122735
yes, material existence is divine punishment we are meant to suffer until we accept God's forgiveness. That is the core tenant of Christianity. Everything we do in this plane is sin because this plane is inherently sinful. Accepting Jesus into your heart is supposed to drive you to want to do good regardless, because that's how His love changes us.

>>106122945
that sounds like propaganda that makes plebs work for nothing and cause the least amount of trouble and headaches, while generating a self sustaining pleb system that minimizes the headaches that top dogs would have to deal with. material existence was extremely hard, and is hard on most other life. that's how it goes, starts like shit, it gets better and better. we're better off now than we were 100k years ago. and can be way better in the future compared to how we are today. thinking this is a punishment is primitive and some sort of cope to make you go along with abuse because you're somehow worth it, thus you don't rebel against hard treatment.

>>106122977
Christianity has done more for the world than all the oppositional ideologies have done.

>>106120055 (OP)
Maybe they are your government anon, but I haven't used either except to buy diapers in well over 2 years

>>106123016
as I said, do not mistake what was for what will be. there's no debt, whatever it did for the world, got paid in full. if the rulers were at same level as pleb there would be debt, but since they enjoyed the gold on the way...they used everything up. that's how it goes.

>>106122927
Natural order is how things naturally go without being carefully constructed for a goal
Surgeries and phone doesn't make things unnatural, you use a phone because you want, and you have a surgery because it will improve your life
It is natural for some people to help others, would be unnatural to force them to not to
It's unnatural for some people to help others, so they shouldn't be forced to
It's simple anon: life as the ultimate goal, not as a bridge for some utopian future

>>106122945
>working hard so others benefits is precisely how you improve it, actually.
It's an infinite cycle, in every generation they believe they need to work much harder, and if they don't they are frowned upon
There's no "others" because nobody has the courage to call themselves the one who will reap the benefits
Just look at how things aren't affordable now in the US, working harder made things worse

>>106123040
you tried to claim it was propaganda to bait people into not doing anything, even though they have factually done more than you ever will.

>>106120055 (OP)
Democrats are ball-guzzling corporatists and Republicans would slit their mother's throat for a (tax-free!) nickel. It's all village idiots voting for their favorite prostitute to hassle them the least.

>>106123056
it was bait to make them work for less than they could have received while still moving things along. there was a lot of unnecessary suffering. there still is. for the gold.

>>106120055 (OP)
They didn't give it, the tech companies just took it.

>>106123048
but they always are constructed for a goal. to eat, to enjoy, to have power, to be healthy, to live long. there is always a goal. you can manipulate your pleb into not having great goals, and point to them not wanting some grand goals. that's manipulation. you can manipulate them by not doing something which you can do, to keep them in the dark, and vaguely state "see, no intervention, they want that". there's a lot of fuckery philosoturds pulled along the way by juggling with words and concepts. everything is fake and gay and misused for petty reasons while pointing to some grand ideals.

>>106123097
An individual can freely choose their life's goals, a society should not choose for them, simply as that
>there's a lot of fuckery philosoturds pulled along the way by juggling with words and concepts
That's the problem, what ruined the world orders was people trying to push philosophies around

>>106123116
an individual will choose their life's goal based on the options it had along the way. there's no around this. keep options away and you determine what they'll choose, largely. these are shit games you're playing. move the fuckery one step away and suddenly it goes away? lmao even.
>That's the problem, what ruined the world orders was people trying to push philosophies around
there is no world "orders", there's what needs to be done constrained by circumstance. the more tech we get, the more options open up. the more you try to keep some primitive bullshit to defend your world view.

>>106123072
again, Christianity has done far more for the world than any oppositional ideology has done.

>>106123154
that says less than you think it does. keep someone locked up 20 years and you can tell them "see, you made it so far because we kept you alive, don't forget this, you wouldn't have made it without us, proof is in you being alive today".
as I said, masters of word play and juggling with philosophy concepts.

>>106123145
>keep options away and you determine what they'll choose
What about stop interfering in people's lives and let things happen naturally?
>the more you try to keep some primitive bullshit to defend your world view
Wrong anon, the more options the more people will go towards their natural path instead of a constructed/forced/ideological path

You probably have some anti-natural order idea that came from the "enlightenment", as if people who made the technologies weren't following their natural path in life

>>106123172
there are dozens of beliefs and cultures that existed outside of Christianity and with no Christian influence.
Jesus did not conquer the world until 1870.

>>106123154
Christianity is ok but we should really swear off these desert religions. Take only the good parts and restore our Nations, rule with the wisdom of the likes of Aristotle.

>>106120055 (OP)
>normies
more like the CIA (through in-Q-tel)

>>106120101
>acting from the mandate of the people
glowies don't follow instructions from governments.

>>106121378
pic related.

>>106123186
>What about stop interfering in people's lives and let things happen naturally?
there is no such thing. we all interfere with eachother. quite literally. you cannot avoid it. present options to people and they choose. invite a friend to dinner, talk to a friend about joining some wall climbing course. show them a video, expose them to information. they choose. we all choose, based on the information that is available to us.
if you keep information away from someone that is interfering with their choices. or misrepresenting that information. doesn't matter WHY you do it, you interfere with their choices. you know damned well what they'd choose if they knew certain things. thus keeping that information away from them is you actively interfering with their choices. do this at group level and you are fucking with the choices of groups of people. take options away from groups of people and you are fucking with their choices. natural doesn't exist, it's something you insist on so you can use it to shape things the way you think they should be, based on some ancient bullshit which only made sense 2000 years ago.
> anti-natural order
there is no natural, that is not a thing. that vaguely throws back to when we were living in caves and had to hunt to stay alive, and points to that whole dynamic, like that shit means anything today, or makes any sense. that was like that based on the limitations we faced back then, and based on the long amount of time spent with said limitations. you cannot justify the future based on the past, that keeps us frozen, no evolution, no change, and that's purely dogmatic, what christians think human should be, human is perfect the way it is and shouldn't change. it's cyclic logic, we must do what we always did because that suits us, and we cannot change because we're perfect the way we are. even though we're not, we're seriously flawed. your arguments avoid considering change,which is convenient,keep the retards in the dark,to exploit

>>106123275
You're simply unable to see humans with free will, another thing that comes from Protestantism (Calvinism and Puritanism specifically)
The point is simply to not interfere in the free will anon, how hard is that? I can give you options but you can refuse them, I can take options from you but you can get them from someone else

You are speaking a lot and reading not of what I said

>>106123319
reading nothing*

>>106123319
free will doesn't make logical sense. we all choose based on the information that is available to us.
free will means insanity, choice without reason, without a goal. it's not logical, you cannot formally define it in a logical framework, because that is a religious concept. again, you are trying to justify a religious viewpoint with a religious concept. akin to saying "it's real because it says so in the book". that's not how logic goes. that's dogma, not an argument. or it is, a religious one.
again, we all know humans choose based on information they have access to. that is why propaganda exists, to shape those choices, via information they stick into everyone's heads. this is not only known, but pretty much crucial for group control. please spear me the free will bullshit, that's not a legitimate concept, scientifically/logically speaking, it's a religious one.
people will always choose based on the information they have access to, based on how that information has been presented to them, you know this, and you use this to shape their choices, it's actually insidious of you mentioning free will. wild audacity even.

>>106122836
Bold of you to assume I was born

>>106123361
To put logic over reason is another bogus, usually from scientificism
I know free will exist in the same way you know your consciousness exist but you are unable to define it in logic terms
Gravity existed way before someone was able to explain it in simplified terms (while nobody can yet explain in an intergalatic manner)
Your worldview comes from Protestantism that paved the way for the Rationalism religion

>>106123393
you don't "know", you mistake something you do not understand for a primitive concept. you are not a reliable measurement aparatus, you are failable, you can be tricked, you can misunderstand. humans didn't "just know" atoms are a thing, the Sun is a star, we are on a spinning rock through space. what you call free will is a primitive view of something you have no clue about, you defined something you cannot understand in a primitive way. and science explaining your random ideas that you get for seemingly no reason cannot possibly be true, just like the Earth couldn't be round back in the day.

>>106123420
If you prefer to believe "X is Y" words over your senses, it won't be me that will fix this

>>106120055 (OP)
You are wrong. It's the tech companies who gave us more power while the governments are fighting that.

>>106123432
>over your senses
welp, there you go. viruses are not real since you cannot see them

>>106123450
And what do you use to see an electron microscope output, anon? Your mind?

>>106123458
I mean technically yea, axons from photo cells in the eye plug directly in neuron clusters in the back of the head. your eyes are literal neuron extensions from the back of the head up to your eye sockets, you kind of are seeing the stuff with your mind. or the info gets projected into your mind. still, that can be argued for data explaining your choices, what does it matter how many layers of tech it goes through, if it reaches your mind ultimately? I don't get your point.

>>106123484
You believe that all that logic you see with your eyes, is more important than the faculty of seeing itself?
You are doing the classic mistake of letting the chemicals in your brain tell you that they are chemicals

>>106123496
it is always "you have free will" unless you freely choose something which isn't desired, at which point you stop having free will if you make the wrong choice. it's only free will as long as you choose what they want you to choose. weird shit and lab grade mental gymnastics

>>106123572
You have the free will to believe in what you believe, I'm not forcing you to change your mind, just presenting my point
To accept, ignore, or deny it in the way you want is to have free will

>>106120055 (OP)
None of these 2 corporations have any effect on my daily life.

>>106122672
This has nothing to do with Protestant work ethics. Europe has lots of countries that much more protestant than the USA, and they regulate corporations much more heavily and actually have some worker rights. Of course, Protestantism in the US is a very different thing than in the EU, because US Protestants are mostly batshit insane Evangelicals and not Lutherans.
The problem is that US is completely poisoned by the idea "capitalism is for everyone" (the American Dream) that the elite has been pushing for hundreds of years and chronical phobia everything that might be "socialist", like for example not having to work for 80-hours per week or having shit like affordable health care.

>>106120072
>just convince millions of people while your very medium of transmission is actively working against you

>>106124639
ddiq

you know EXACTLY who is responsible, and you know EXACTLY what to do
so why haven't you done it?

>>106126163
>and chronical phobia everything that might be "socialist"
Try calling yourself a fascist. McCarthy would be put to shame.

>>106126163
This all comes from Puritanism anon, which sure is different from Lutheran protestants, as it's more related to insane Calvinism
The American Dream and capitalist ideals all comes from French Revolution ideals, which comes from the Enlightenment, which was also influenced by Protestantism
It's a long succession of mistakes

>>106122672
>Because America was built in Protestant ideals where money = god.

You got it all wrong. If anything it would be "work = God", and we're talking Bible here, not any one specific movement or denomination:

“For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.” (2 Thessalonians 3:10-12)

>>106120220
Elections don't change shit, retard. It's always the same big club in charge and no, you're not in it.