Thread 106122721

>>106122721 (OP)
>implying the goal was to make the internet safer for children
are they ignoring the true aim of the law on purpose or do they genuinely fail to see whats going on? at this point its hard to tell

Nigga, it's the EFF. They're telling it like it is.

>>106122748
yeah, sounds like surface level deboonking

But what can WE do?

>>106122721 (OP)
Of course they did. That's their whole thing.

>>106122721 (OP)
>ban porn site
>horny kid looks up how to watch porn
>finds p2p networks like hyphanet
>the setup is literally 4 clicks away
>now kid has uncensored access to content far more harmful than regular porn
yeah, we're doing it for the kids.
good job

>>106122721 (OP)
I think most companies should start by just completely banning uk and eu internet sources.
Less hassles, not enough relevant user bases to care about.
We have india now anyway.
It’s surprising I hadn’t heard anything from Isreal on this yet.

>>106122721 (OP)
Interesting choice of letters.

i kneel. lets start a movement

>>106122721 (OP)
If the tech companies had any ethical standards at all they would simply shut off the UK from access to the majority of the internet for stuff like this to force their citizens to get so mad they demand it go away.

>>106123586
EU is a big market with lotsa buying power. think companies are not whoring out like that?

>>106122721 (OP)
Always do the opposite of what the ETF says post 2014

Stallman (the self-admitted quadruple vaxxed pedo that wanted people arrested and forcibly given the clot shot) supports the EFF so I am immediately against this.

>>106123644
anon uses logic -> we need digital IDs because he hates the vaxx

>>106123553
This
Gen alpha is gonna be dark web natives
>Millennials: Internet natives
>zooms: social media natives (incels)
>alpha: based dark web natives

>>106123598
which letters, there is some amount of letters in there

>>106123666
When tiktok became dark web
- gen alpha techlets

>>106123877
ironically there's supposedly fuckload of antisemitic content in there

>>106123553
They'll just search for 'free VPN' on Google Play, not become Mr. Robot. The ban is so utterly trivial to bypass that it's farcical. Of course, in the process I'm sure plenty of people will end up having their info stolen via dodgy VPN providers, but the government don't care about that as long as they can spy on you too.

>But the UK's scramble to find an effective age verification method shows us there isn't one
Hate to be that guy, but in Denmark, many companies and almost every government-related entity with online services, utilizes an authentication mechanism tied to your Citizen ID. Signing in with that, then an age-check becomes trivial.
Every website selling alcohol here, already uses it. If you're not 18+, your purchase will be rejected.
This thing is an effective age verification method

>>106122766
>>106122748
Maybe if all moids weren't pedophiles we wouldn't have to take away their rights.

>Says it doesn't make kids safer
>doesn't explain why

Uhhhh I appreciate the stance but you should explain things

>>106124023
Digital IDs are a completely different discussion to mere age verification, and far more wide-reaching. Introducing them for the purpose of verifying people's ages would be the equivalent of dropping a nuke to wipe out an ant hill. Thankfully, not everybody lives in a dystopian shithole like Denmark that's forced such a thing yet. I certainly hope I die before that happens.

>>106124023
Also this. Effective age verification does actually exist. EFF really dropped the ball on this article who the fuck wrote this. Google even is getting ready to launch zero knowledge verification where in theory even google as the ID provider doesn't know what you're verifying for. The code and process is all open and up for audit so it's a serious claim too.

The entire problem is the definition of content and that governments are going to be very unmotivated to use a zero knowledge service or if they do, add in a funny little requirement where everything is known. Then they get a nice funny little database of everyone who accessed what 'forbidden content'. And that this can extend to other services, the anti-AI bot ID verification idea is coming soon. Just ID verify to pass the captcha! Oh if you get banned your ID is banned good luck retard.

>>106124152
>Digital IDs are a completely different discussion to mere age verification
They aren't though. How does one verify age reliably? Someone needs your identity to show that it is YOU that is of age and not a video game character or a render or a video that you're pretending is you. Or some kind of algorithm that 'thinks' you're a child or not.

>>106124166
Why is "thinks" in quotes. Algorithms can think just as well as you or I. ChatGPT is proof of this.

>>106124197
Oh you're retarded. I'm not gonna bother sorry.

>>106122748
They know the real aims but the EFF deals in established facts and not schizobabble. The government claims it is for the children so that is what they are debunking here. They can't very well report on its true aims until there is more evidence that the system is being abused.

>>106123621
The Chinese market is double to four times larger than the EU market and Chinese are getting richer every day, while Europoors are gettinf poorer. Yet they just bite the bullet and accept being locked out from it, if entering that market is only possible by abandoning US government interference.

Big tech isn't profit driven. If Facebook and Google alone opt-out, the EU would cry out in pain and kneel on the floor begging them to go back.
The real answer is that BigTech wants your ID as well.

>>106124249
>The real answer is that BigTech wants your ID as well.
they ain't getting shit lmao

>>106124230
As soon as you let your enemy define the language you are using, you already lost.
Did you know that the EU Chat Control law isn't actually called Chat Control, but rather some child safety bullshit?
Yet, everybody calls it Chat Control, because its about screening your chats and nobody ever excepted the trojan horse name.

>>106124253
according to the current digital id implementation, they get everything they want, including your driver license and social security number if they want so.

>>106124269
I agree but the EFF is a third-party in all of this and a US one at that. I automatically assume they're taking a more nuanced approach of establishing the facts because they don't know the environment.

If you want to see what a UK advocacy group has to say about things then go check out the Open Rights Group (ORG):
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/the-great-british-firewall-age-verification-has-failed/
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/

The Eleutheromaniac's Dilemma:
>you can't do that! that's commie/fascist/Authoritarian™!
Okay, what should be done instead?
>um... uh...
Don't hurt yourself thinking too hard...
>[the "common sense" solution that everyone should be doing]
Okay, we should make that legally mandatory. Interesting solution...
>[return to point 1]

>>106124120
Pedophilia isn't the problem, child abusers are, coincidentally this category also includes the people who are enacting these laws, while making themselves exempt from being punished

>>106124312
The EFF gets most of their funding from USAID, therefor the EFF is a US government entity and the US gets their own version of this law in less than a month.
And the UK is a vassal of the US in the first place.

It's all the same entity.

>>106124314
Oh look, it's the guy who calls people Elutheromaniacs because he wants to associate the desire for personal liberty with mental illness.

Kill yourself.

>>106124318
And I'm sure you'll see them report on that US regulation a lot more.

They don't know shit about what's happening in Europe or the UK though. They are slow to report on things and it's never as detailed as the stance other advocacy groups take where as they clearly take strong opinions on US matters.

Every parent that had their kids kill themselves from what they see on social media should blame themselves for their deaths, but that's too hard, so they go on TV news shows instead and say the bad companies did it. I hope they all have nightmares every night for their failure as parents.

>>106124314
>still forcing this meme
kys

>>106123553
>finds p2p networks like hyphanet
>browses around
>sees there's fuckall in there
>leaves

>EU demands I verify the identity of my users for the safety of children
>have to drive 2 hours out to an office with a programmer willing to implement it
>on the ride home sideswipe a school bus and somehow the kids got hurt
what did I do wrong

>>106124354
The fact that your arguments can be described with that same mental loop ("There's a real problem, but anything that can be done about it is commie/fascist/Authoritarian™ and that's bad") proves it's a mental illness.
>>106124503
Also the fact that your go-to response is demanding that I die.

>>106124526
Why didn't you just call the programmer on the phone or voip and settle in 10 min flat?

>>106124532
So why are current parental controls bad? At the current time with current technology, parents can limit what their kids can see on their devices. Android parental control, iOS control, child-filtering DNS servers. If parents are so desperate for parental controls that they want the government to do it, why are they ignoring existing effective controls?
It's almost as if the government is implementing controls not for child safety at all!

>>106123912
Plenty of people will get their data "stolen" by verifying their identity too.

Who is an age assurance company? Who can become one and what is expected of them? Apparently, anything goes!
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/org-calls-for-age-assurance-industry-to-be-regulated/

>Our report shows that new AV/AA technologies are already reaching beyond what was intended and taking privacy risks
>
>Grindr
>
> Using Facetec based in the US
> Facetec claims the right to track users via Cookies for ad purposes
>
>BlueSky
>
> BlueSky use Kid Web Services for age verification
> Services are restricted including not using direct messaging without being age verified first
> KWS employs browser fingerprinting and refuses to respect Do Not Track signals
>
>Reddit
>
> Reddit use US-based Persona.
> Persona claims the right to use information for business research which might include AI training, for example.
> Persona state they may retain information handed to them for up to three years.
> Reddit are collecting birth dates, in order to target their advertising.
> Reddit are restricting content for users who are not age verified.
>

>>106124282
they cannot force me to provide them, are you insane? I don't give af about any online service that requires it. simple as.

>>106124120
Maybe if you weren't a slut you wouldn't be a single mother dating men who molest your son

>>106124554
>why are current parental controls bad?
Are the parents using them? More specifically, is there or is there not a critical mass of parents NOT using them?
>why are they ignoring existing effective controls?
Good question. Why don't you go ask them?
>It's almost as if the government is implementing controls not for child safety at all!
Yes, the Government always has an agenda, even the allegedly "more free" ones like democracies. In actuality, Authority is inevitable; and if parents are abdicating their small-"a" authority, guess what big "A" is going to fill that vacuum.

>>106124588
>Are the parents using them?
The point was simple; if parents aren't using parental controls already it means they don't approve of parental controls. Then why is the government implementing parental controls on everyone all at once if parents don't even know about parental controls at all?

>>106124604
>if parents aren't using parental controls already it means they don't approve of parental controls
Well there you go, the parents aren't using the tools that parents are being given to be parents. Got a solution for that, that won't be another verbal goon sesh about how hecking evil and bad Authority is?
>why is the government implementing parental controls on everyone all at once if parents don't even know about parental controls at all?
You answered your question in the latter half of the question.

>>106124588
>and if parents are abdicating their small-"a" authority, guess what big "A" is going to fill that vacuum.
>>106124604
>it means they don't approve of parental controls.
no it doesn't, it means they're clueless, too complicated to set up, to manage etc. more of them would if it would be as simple as telling their phone AI assistant "please activate parental control for my children". if it's more complicated than that they'll probably say fuck it.
imagine setting up a math olympics question if people want to be free, and take lack of correct answers as people signaling they want less freedom. your argument is that fucking retarded

>>106124532
The internet as we know it today is still a new technology, and it has been only about 10 years since it has been as become part of daily life. The irresponsible parents that gave their kids open access to it with no restriction is the result of the general public being retards not understanding or adjusting to something new that comes with risks, they just trusted it blindly without knowing that the internet can be as dangerous as the real world for children. When the people raised with the internet get older, they'll know exactly how bad the internet is for children and make sure to not the same mistake their parents did. There's always something a generation fucks up their kids with, and this is ours.

>>106124633
>no it doesn't, it means they're clueless, too complicated to set up, to manage etc.
Not them, but just a brief reminder that all UK ISPs have been required to provide parental controls (TURNED ON BY DEFAULT) since at least May 2018 in the UK.

I don't know how how anyone has forgotten about that but this isn't about parental controls not being a workable solution when ISPs have already been required by law to provide them turned on by default.

This is about going after individual platforms ability to spread information.

Timeline (AI summary by Copilot):
>UK Internet Service Providers (ISPs) have been required to offer parental controls turned on by default since July 2013, following an agreement with the UK Government. This initiative was aimed at improving online safety, particularly for children.
>Timeline of Implementation
>
> July 2013: Prime Minister announced agreements with ISPs to implement “default-on” adult content filters for new and existing home network customers.
>
> End of 2014: ISPs were expected to complete rollout of these filters to existing customers
>
>.
>
>May 2018: Filtering was confirmed to be switched on by default for new customers
>
> .
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>So, the default-on parental controls have been in place for over a decade, with full implementation across major ISPs completed by late 2014, and reinforced in 2018 for new customers.


https://wiki.openrightsgroup.org/wiki/Content_filtering_by_UK_ISPs

>>106124677
>the general public being retards not understanding or adjusting to something new that comes with risks
An excellent argument against democracy, I must say.
>When the people raised with the internet get older, they'll know exactly how bad the internet is for children
But still show them all the "good" parts, like all the drawn and animated kink porn they saw at age 11.
I'm kidding. With any luck, they won't have the chance to re-find it...

>>106124695
so how are their kids getting access to adult content? are they asking their parents to turn parental control off? or is it some shit implementation of the feature?

>>106124724
It means they turned them off for themselves (because it obviously applies to the entire connection) and didn't monitor their kids in the process. Bad parenting, pure and simple.

>>106124724
They get access to adult content when the parent decides to give their kid an unlocked device

>>106124735
>Bad parenting, pure and simple
So what's your solution for that, that apparently can't be done by any part of the Government because that would be commie/fascist/Authoritarian™ and that's a bad thing...

>>106124735
>because it obviously applies to the entire connection
But wouldn't the router settings allow them to choose which device can acces what?

>>106124771
bro people don't go in router settings lol. I mean almost nobody does that but a few tech nerds.

>>106124749
I don't have one unfortunately. I'm not sure what can be done about it and they're probably not going to walk back this online safety bill either, they have decided that stricter regulation of platforms and services is the way to go.

The only way forward is to either vote in a different government that will scrap it (Reform UK have already indicated they will do that, but I really don't love the idea of a Reform government in power given all of the other damage the ex-tories will do to this country again, particularly the health care system. Nigel Farage will privatise everything).

Or, accept that it's here to stay (not a big fan of that either) and at least try to make the age verification safer so that people are not handing over huge swathes of private information that is retained forever and potentially used for AI training purposes and is kept and stored in another foreign country, etc.

There should be a big push for privacy preserving age verification services and mandate that they are required to be used.

>>106124785
I think we should have everyone live in an open air prison so that children can be safe. If you disagree you're a racist terrorist or something I need to check my buzzwords.
Children should grow up in fear of society and have no freedoms so that when they're adults they can appreciate the differences between their country and north korea

>>106124735
so they did a bad implementation. has to be per device not per connection.
so have it locked down by default on any sold phone, but kids would just make their own email accounts they'd register with, and disable it themselves. you need a choke point somewhere to verify who's using it, considering that parents are pretty much clueless/careless

>>106124808
Per-device is something that is already possible though on Android and iOS, etc, blame them. Also some routers and access-points probably do have per-device settings but: >>106124775

>>106124785
>vote in a different government
If I lived in the UK, I'd petition the Monarchy to run and vote them back in. If I was in the Monarchy, I'd take back power by force and re-claim the entire Anglosphere...

>>106124812
that's what I said, it's possible through phone OS but they'd just make their own emails/accounts, since that can be done with just a phone number, so their parents accounts are irrelevant, if the parents don't care.

We should have just invented an offline verifcation service that we apply for so that we just enter an account number that we use to enter into adult sites. No 3D scan bullshit.

or have government force parents to register their kids phone numbers with mobile carrier as being minors, and mobile carriers trigger some switch on all phones having that sim number in them, as being locked down for adult stuff. force parents do it, implement at carrier level through regulation. have predefined access to what any minor is allowed to access through said phone. least amount of involvement from parents.

>>106123553
Gen Z and Alpha are the biggest cucks out there, they get scared at the mere thought of piracy. Not hyperbole or exaggeration.

>>106122721 (OP)
>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/11/twitters-monetizable-users-not-human-rights-matter-most-under-musks-rein-leaving

EFF is trash. They were pushing to censor X off the internet for not censoring misinformation against "vulnerable users"


>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/01/eff-response-social-media-companies-decision-block-president-trumps-accounts

They push censorship of President Trump on social media as a form of "Free Speech" of big corporations to censor people.

>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/10/social-media-platforms-must-do-better-when-handling-misinformation-especially
Here's another EFF article asking companies to censor more information from the internet.

>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/03/victory-ninth-circuit-twitters-content-moderation-not-state-action
Here's another claiming Biden admin and EU pushing big companies to censor is not really censorship, but free speech by big corporations and defending government censorship.

EFF is run by grifters

>>106124869
or basically have carrier trigger parental controls on, automatically. make a request to remove it once they're adults. carriers triggering shit on your phone is pretty much a solved issue, it's a non-issue these days, technically speaking.

>>106122721 (OP)
>EFF
Bunch of cucks.

>>106124869
how about you just get over the superstition about porn, sex, "bad words" etc

>>106124869
>allowing glowniggers to triangulate and kidnapped your kid

>>106124882
So, like all other allegedly "pro-freedom" groups and individuals, they're a bunch of hypocrites. How do I keep being right about this sort of thing?

>>106124882
>EFF is run by...
...the US government, which is itself run by jews

>>106124695
I've had contracts with Virgin, BT and a couple other home ISPs in the last ten years and none of them blocked anything by default except torrent sites. On mobile side, O2 blocked porn by default and I never bothered getting it switched off cause I'm not that desperate to watch porn on my phone.

I am aware of this law which supposedly requires at least the biggest ISPs to have porn blocks in place by default but it doesnt seem to be the case at all. Virgin and BT together serve two thirds of home internet customers. In fact somebody I know contacted BT to block pornography on their connection and ended up with a data cap on their previously-unlimited connection instead of any block.

>>106124882
>The First Amendment restricts censorship only by the government, not private entities, unless those entities are using government power or otherwise effectively acting as the government. But in O’Handley, even if Twitter and the government were “generally aligned in their missions to limit the spread of misleading election information[, s]uch alignment does not transform private conduct into state action.”
Oy vey!
They didn't censor on order of the government, but their actions only aligned with the actions of the government after the government asked them to!

>>106125005
Interesting. I know I have had to turn off adult filtering in the past because it was on by default. Maybe some are stricter than others or the government hasn't been spot-checking their implementations (likely, it certainly serves their aims not to).

>>106124950
>they're a bunch of hypocrites
They are not hypocrites, they are government run.
And they exist to occupy a space that otherwise someone else would take.
Some form of digital rights advocacy group will exist anyway, because there is a need for them and there is a market for this (it is monetary viable).
So you establish and shill a fake bullshit one.

It's even worse in the EU. In the US, it is only the EFF and various foundations running OpenSource projects (but those don't advocate for rights).
In the EU, you have a hundred of those. I regularly accidentally discover one or the other.
And all of them are always EU funded. And most of them see digital freedom as: "Lets create companies that spy on our people, because it is better when we spy on them than when the US spies on them".

>>106122766
>millions of people without ID
So kids and people that are in the country illegally? Nigga in a modern world access to social media is the least of your worries of you have no ID or personal device.

>>106125078
>they are government run
Worse: US government run, which claims to be a pro-freedom group. Hypocrites again.

>>106122748
Those articles are leaned towards niggercattle, so they need to deboonk it from the ground up.
>>106123553
>>106123666
I am a zoomer myself and I am telling you that my fellow zoomies are way too tech-illiterate for P2P or anything in that matter (which is a big overkill anyway). A 3rd of us maybe actually heard of VPNs but they would probably be too lazy to use those, or too scimpy to pay. Actually tech-literate zoomies like me are very small minority and a big deviation really. Most of us waste a ton of money on subscription services, has never really used a VPN, TOR etc. never changed a DNS or even did a clean Windows reinstall.

>>106125088
Apparently not since migrants are not subject to laws.

>>106125122
>Most of us waste a ton of money on subscription services
>heard of VPNs but they would probably be too lazy to use those, or too scimpy to pay
So zoomers pay for all these subscription services but not for having proper internet access?

>>106125088
That would include rural people and people who are victims of trafficking.
>Cambodian girl sent overseas and forced to prostitute herself
>by chance, she finds a computer with internet access
>tries to access a police website
>'Oi you got a loicense for watching this 'ere webpage?'

>>106124558
Where in the law for age determination does it outline the penalties for misuse/tracking of the information?

>>106125169
Yeah, like idk what to tell you. For them paying for something like spotify or netflix seems okay, but paying for anything non-mainstream is le bad. They even refuse to use free stuff that they dont know. We listen to spotify on our work PC for which one zoomerette pays the subscription. I don't even know how to use this stuff, so when I want to play my song I just pause it for a while and fire up youtube on firefox + ublock. I once asked something like "hey, you can guys use firefox if you dont want to listen to ads on youtube, you know!" but never did it again after they just ignored me and watched 2 adds on stock chrome like good goys.

>>106125190
>rural people have no IDs
lol, lmao even

>>106125222
It doesn't. That's what's wrong with it.

>>106123553
Interesting. What other networks are there?

>>106122766
but but asmongold told me it was inevitable

>>106124882
>EFF is bad
well now I've seen it all. A three letter agent calling a three letter non-profit bad

yeah glowie you're right its the privacy advocates who are bad

>>106125294
>privacy advocates
>except where it goes against the tranny cult ideology, the vaccine censorship ideology, the ukraine war censorship, the criticism of war generals ideology, criticism of george soros ideology, etc etc
You will NEVER be a woman.

>>106124562
That being… all of them>>106124573

>>106125325
>You will NEVER be a woman
I'm a guy I don't want to be a woman you tard

>>106125273
It is

>>106125325
>freedom advocate
>except where it goes against trannies bad, vaccines bad, ukraine war good, george soros bad propaganda

>>106124562
>>106124282
They'll force you indirectly.
>if you refuse we will remove all these privileges
>and you need those things for healthcare, food, work, etc.
>but you're not forced, it's a democracy
It's very effective on normalfags, and they will soon turn it into the new normal.

To manipulate the normalfags all you have to do it add a few steps of bureaucracy and bullshit and lie to their faces that it's not mandatory. After a while normalfags submit to it, they turn it into the new normal and shame and exclude you from society (pussy, jobs, you name it) if you don't do it too. Works every time.

The elites have cracked the NPC code millennia ago. Now thanks to math, sociology, etc. they're basically minmaxxing like the speedrun autists, trying to one up each other over who can squeeze the last millionth of a percent of productivity and life essence out of the masses. But the task of controlling the masses itself has been solved a long time ago.

>>106125273
Asmongold is a paid shill for it, of course he would be.
>inb4 meds
There's already been "influencers" who admitted to being paid to shill for UK's OSA, though only on tiktok they've done so(admitted blatantly) as far as I know

>>106124935
he can't, he's a buck broken normgroid
>>106124869
so the government spying on your kids and training them to become wagecucks in a nigger filled society is ok but them googling "tits" and fapping is le bad? sweet fucking nigger shit, you NPCs are submissive and retarded beyond belief

>>106124314
>Okay, what should be done instead?
Parental controls. Which have been a thing on an internet, OS and software level for decades. But seemingly everyone forgot they exist for some reason, even though for example it ships with windows by default.

>>106123553
>ban porn site
>kid looks for for free vpn
>finds and installs tor
>uses .onion search engine to find porn
>searches for porn of girls his age

>>106122748
you know what's the most insulting thing about these "we do it for your safety" moves? I've spoken with abused women and children and they told me that all these meme governments, organizations, etc. don't do shit. All they do is launder money and refer you to a therapist or tell you to call the cops, who don't do shit if you're poor and lack connections.

It's easy to see how absurd this is when you realize that the UK had a prolific serial pedo (Savile) and didn't do shit about it. The US has it too (Epstein, Trump, Biden, etc.) and they don't do shit about it. The shitskins these governments import en masse disrupt schools, bully white kids into suicide, rape, steal, and cause chaos but nobody does a thing about it, the opposite in fact, governments import that filth and spread racial tension propaganda to make things worse. But googling "tits" as a boy is le bad?

the more I learn about normgroids the more I realize that democracy has absolutely no power in politics and society. No role. The only reason we have "rights" is because it's profitable to someone with power. Slavery is bad because wageslavery is far more profitable and requires less micromanagement/microoptimization. It's like having the cow milk itself, feed itself, wash itself, instead of hiring someone to do it and paying for supplies. The only reason women have rights is because it makes mothers dependent on an employer and leaves them with no patience and time to raise kids. The only reason you can vote is because it gives you the illusion of control even though the idea that your vote out of millions matters is mathematically retarded and absolutely insane.

Every time you see stupid shit like governments raping your privacy or preparing for a war you know that what's gonna happen is inevitable. The human trash we call "normalfags" has absolutely no say in it and democracy doesn't do anything. If someone can force you to wagecuck and die in wars you have no power.

>>106125411
>government spying on kids bad
>government spying on everyone, kids included, good

>>106125464
Either way you'll still be a tranny so it doesn't matter.

>>106122748
It's not that the goal is that. It's that they're pretending that's the goal. All they need is to make people believe that's their goal. Normalfags are perpetually paranoid about children. They will do whatever it takes. You can lie to them and tell them that if they don't cut their dicks off and jump off a bridge, children will suffer, and they will fucking do it. There is no message strong enough for the masses to stop believing that the goal of this is making internet safer for children. You're preaching to the choir.

>>106125424
>Parental controls
>But seemingly everyone forgot they exist for some reason
And what would be the solution for that?

>>106123553
Congratulations you just discovered their escalation technique

You thought that's an unintended consequence? How naive. Just how many steps do you think we are now away from zero pretense of privacy with mandated tamper proof hardware integrations and illegal legacy devices? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?

>>106125459
I think you've fundamentally misunderstood the purpose of democracy. Obviously common people have no political power, that would be madness. People aren't capable of governing themselves. But the system incentivises the actual ruling class to act in a way that sometimes benefits the common people.
You have rights because it is profitable to your rulers that you have them, and the reason it is profitable is that you live in a democracy. If a tyrant tries giving his subjects rights, he's likely to be overthrown.

>>106125642
>he's telling me I "fundamentally misunderstood" a thing
>claims that the ruling class has an "incentive" to give free stuff to powerless people
Demented logic.
>You have rights because it is profitable to your rulers that you have them, and the reason it is profitable is that you live in a democracy. If a tyrant tries giving his subjects rights, he's likely to be overthrown.
You have x because of y. You have y because of x. Brilliant logic nigger monkey. Keep begging (voting).

>>106125273
Asmongold is controlled opposition pushing internet ID retardation so we never get voter ID (which is completely sensible).

>>106123553
Yep. I grew up with filters blocking normal porn, so I ended up discovering that I was into futanari on Newgrounds way earlier than I otherwise would have in my early teens.

>>106123553
On one hand, I'd say gen alpha is probably way too fucking lazy and retarded to go and do that, and accustomed to all the bullshit, but on the other hand, I don't think it really is that difficult for them to find a way, like some people think.

>>106125620
Targeted teaching campaigns, fliers, advertisings, etc. This type of stuff has had solved solutions for a long time, remember stranger danger? Remember how back in the day every parent knew and taught their kids about it? Remember so many other targeted campaigns under the sun, like "Just Say No"?
But I know, you know, we all know it's not truly about 'protect le kids', it's about control, so of course governments aren't going for that and going for wide spread spying instead.

>>106123666
Is this how we save the future? A generation full of eternally redpilled gen alpha dark web bros? We just might make it bros.

>>106122721 (OP)
Age verification is a good thing for social media and places with adult content. However, I'm very weirded out by it being on youtube because we should just censor that content.

>>106125865
no you fucking retard they will openly monitor you on the hardware level more than they already do in tandem with 5g and wifi real time 3d mapping and dispatch enforcers to you if you tamper with it beyond mandated use guidelines

your legacy hardware and networking will be rooted out and confiscated or made to be inoperable by the kosher ai controlled megavirus malware

and you will be happy

>>106125642
the only right you have is to do what you're told and give the money back to those who paid you in the first place

4chan still has porn boards accessible to the UK without ID. Yes I admit I wanked to 4chan instead of getting out my wanking licence.

>>106122721 (OP)
who cares? they have been compromised for years.

>>106122748
the EFF is to deal with practical things, strategic stuff isnt their domain.

>>106124120
maybe if you werent a sad little straight boy with tits you wouldnt sneed so much

>>106125974
If they can confiscate all legacy hardware, why are any of the other steps necessary? Like just do that now.
Hell, if you can ensure compliance in all future hardware, you could just wait fifty years for all the legacy shit to break down. All communication under your rule, no pogroms necessary.

>>106125819
do you remember how similar millennials were? most millennials were retarded, its a minority that acquired decent tech skills its just that the bar for basic utilisation of tech was higher than it is now.

>>106126074
They have to do away with any pretense of privacy and have the legacy hardware destroyer 9000 virus ready to go to destroy any unsanctioned device that connects to the internet first

>>106122721 (OP)
its all about control and taking peoples freedom/rights away

>>106124023
Is that like bankID? In sverige we use bankID for stuff that's tied to payment or stuff that's already tied to your identity like logins for insurance, phone provider, rental sites, but I don't think we use it for anything where you don't already know who you are.

>>106126059
Apparently it is enough for sites that are clearly targeted at adults and can demonstrate that to not need to do anything except have a robust reporting system in place (4chan has that).
Since 4chan doesn't target lolis and there's no chance one could stumble upon 4chan by accident and they can easily prove all of this and they have a reporting system in place that actually deals with reports and isn't just handled by an AI, then they should be good.

>>106125246
You should consider banning usenet too.

Also electricity.

>>106124230
>They can't very well report on its true aims until there is more evidence that the system is being abused.
You mean like what has happened literally within 24 hours of this law being passed? It being used to suppress protest coverage?

>>106126865
you talk like a fag. 4ch isn't a UK site, it's literally that simple
>also unironically applying loli to irl

>>106126893
actually curious, a protest against what?

>>106124869
>or have government force parents to
Stopped reading right there

>>106126227
The UK spelling of license the noun is licence.

>>106127158
Neither is any of the other websites they're regulating. I don't think you understand how the law works. They enforce their jurisdiction on all websites that serve UK users regardless of where they are located. If you fail to comply then they can fine you or block your website. This is why so many websites have voluntarily revoked access to UK users despite the fact that they themselves are not a British run website. They don't want to be fined or detained.

>>106128200
Now you might wonder how can they detain or fine someone that is not in Britain themselves and that's a good question. I guess some people are worried what might happen if they were to travel or if their country were to honour extradition treaties, etc.

>>106128200
>they can fine you
Send the constable across the pond and see how fast he gets shot faggot. Websites legally don't have to do anything, they are doing it for the market, that's it.

>>106128506
Pretty much. They are doing it because they want to avoid legal issues in the UK market. It doesn't matter if they're not based there, the reality is they will come after you and your host and cause problems for you. It's better to comply or block the UK market altogether, even scum like the farms don't want anything to do with the UK market now so it's clearly working as intended.

>>106122721 (OP)
>The internet must remain a place where all voices can be heard, free from discrimination or censorship by government agencies.

powerfvl but, you see dear EFF, as of now, the goverment is raping you in real time while corporate niggers gladly take your data and misuse it even further like customized advertising, selling data and distributing content, selling your ID to others so they can adapt their technology on your provided legal ID

>>106123553
yall replying to this as if it wasn't the same thing as all of you retards coming to this website well under the age of 18

let alone literally any other standard pron site that isn't following those stupid rules

>>106125861
>Targeted teaching campaigns
Re-education, perfect. Let's see how many of your pro-freedom buddies wince and whine at the thought...
>we all know it's not truly about 'protect le kids', it's about control
Yes. Authority is inevitable, and because the Angloshpere countries are all run by cringe and retarded political bureaucracies (democracies, in a word), our Authority is going to be fake, gay, and retarded for quite a while, like it's been since the so-called "Enlightenment."

>>106126781
bankID is the ultimate cuck system, all online card payments are tied to it by law and if a site doesn't support it say goodbye to any purchases you planned on making

>>106129807
I would say you can use crypto except KYC is a thing.

>>106129835
>KYC
I don't mind identifying myself to make purchases but it's physically impossible on some sites because of our backwards frankly idiotic laws. It's meant to make it more "secure" but when you can't buy stuff with your own money as a result what's even the point? Yes crypto would work but it takes a while to set it up and it's actively opposed by every bank and financial institution. Which is ironic because if they really cared about security they would promote crypto or other more anonymous payment methods that doesn't require you handing over so much sensitive information.

>>106122721 (OP)
Do you know why they took that position?

It's because they want to trans the kiddos lmao, literally the only reason. They don't give a shit about the attacks against our race.

>>106122748
They're playing along with the original argument because if you jump straight to "You just want to track people online" you get the "Pfft nice tinfoil hat faggot" reply from the MPs

>>106124875
They get scared because they haven't had to do it. If the UK starts getting big-time censorship from sites like Wikipedia, they'll do it. That simple. Proof: You and I did it too

>>106125088
>Oy vey you NEED A smart phone in order to use the internet because... you just do ok goyim?
Fuck you

>>106130007
My boomer mother is incapable of keeping a schedule and entirely relies upon the phone to manage ad hoc impulse activities. Essentially, she and her laziness and unwillingness to learn anything (typical sub-210 iq) keeps me chained to le mobile.

But I have no doubt your iq is also too low to manage to cooperate (this is called "trysting"). Easy test, do you understand the value of using modified Teeline shorthand to defeat ai? picrel. I'm sure you don't.

>>106130069
Like as an example, I have a GMRS license. There are GMRS handsets with bluetooth, so this would be a great alternative to using a phone when in a massive store like Walmart or Sam's club or when out walking etc.

However, it takes a very small amount of competency and effort etc to use this stuff.

Women tend to only do what others say, and most men strive to impress women, who are the great class of retards.

So, even solving that, as they strive to be retarded (normied) they will avoid all signs of non-normieness.

But it is for us superior men to lead.

>>106129807
Yeah but doesn't my bank already know about all my online transactions? BankID is not a strictly governmental service, it's provided by the banks.

>>106122721 (OP)
you guys might be overreacting. boomers are fucking retarded and don't know shit about technology:
https://xcancel.com/DrMarianaClaire/status/1948716961560416752

>>106125120
So it's CIA.

>>106130370
When safetynet was just phased in you could bypass it no problem, now root is dead.

>>106130370
>it's just North Korea / China
>everything is fine.

It's not fine.

>>106130392
you can still pass 3/3 of it but it takes a bit more effort, it's a cat and mouse game

>>106130379
>pro-freedom Government still needs intelligence on its citizens
I keep finding things that help me prove my point...

>>106130360
>Yeah but doesn't my bank already know about all my online transactions?
Ya but your bank will literally deny you from making the transaction you want on certain sites
>BankID is not a strictly governmental service, it's provided by the banks
Since a few years back the government forces banks by law to require customers to verify themselves with bankID when making online purchases. If a website and retailer hasn't created a system to facilitate the bankID verification for swedish customers, your purchase will automatically be cancelled. Before these laws you could just put in your card info and buy stuff online very easily as you still can in most other countries (or w/ foreign bank accounts). It's also more difficult to get prepaid cards or alternative payment methods.

Again, this luckily only affects some sites. You can still buy products online from mainstream companies or use Klarna almost everywhere if the retailer is popular enough to have integrated the strict system that's required by law but swedes are essentially closed off from parts of the global market. Swedish politicians loves to cuck and fuck over their people

>>106130648
My bank (swedbank) allows you to use sms verification plus all my bills are paid just like before bankid when i had a little code gizmo by logging in and paying via OCR code, you still verify with bankid but thats towards swedbank and not the billing company. I'm not saying bankid is good but I'm not sure the situation is that dire

>>106130370
is this suppose to be sarcasm? woman are not funny.

They also took a side during the protests. Which they didn't have to do, but did anyway.

>>106128506
They don't have to send anyone over, they just send an email to the local law enforcement to please go catch this guy. It doesn't matter where you, your company, or your servers physically reside. If you're serving people in some country you have to follow their laws. There is a well established framework of how to handle things when dealing with international crimes and criminals in other jurisdictions. You either comply or you cry and comply if you want to serve the UK market. Same shit as GDPR and EU market. Or the cookie banners.

The internet is a public place. It is not "censorship" to make it illegal to do sexual acts in public.
There's absolutely no reason pornography should be so easily accessible. I would even go further and say pornography should be banned like other drugs.

>>106130007
Have you tried living in the modern world without a smartphone. Everything nowadays is made with the assumption that everyone has a smartphone. So everything has an app for it. And often that app is the only way to do things. And if it isn't the only way you can bet your ass that they're going to be charging you out the ass for doing things with paper or by calling them or any other way that doesn't involve a smartphone. Can you use the internet without a smartphone? Sure you can. Is access to social media way down on your list of problems if you don't have a smartphone? It absolutely is.

I don't like this nightmare vision world any more than you do. But it is the world we have. Burying your head in the sand and acting as if the problem doesn't exist doesn't actually change anything.

Same thing applies to not having an ID. Not being able to shitpost and see funny memes is way down on your list of priorities when you can't open a bank account, rent a house, get a job, get a phone, or really do anything because you have no ID and a lot of the things we take for granted require an ID.

>>106123553
because torrents will NEVER be erased

>>106132561
No one is going out to "catch the guy". Law enforcement won't do jack shit for petty civil crimes, let alone non-illegal actions because some foreigner said so.
At best you could bitch to Mastercard/Visa to stop transactions from the UK. Major companies complying is completely and entirely for business PR. It's kind of like when the US "banned" tiktok, they shut down their servers internationally for 12 hours (would not connect even from TOR/VPN).
Small companies don't have the sensitive business ties to threaten them with, how it goes.

>>106128628
>as we post from a blue board

>>106125430
UK is pedo central. UK police arrest parents who fight poeple who molest their kids.
The most insulting thing about this is gaslighting.
Its one thing to say ok slave now we are gonna rape you its another thing to try to convince your rapist is actually your protector and that you are crazy or delusional for objecting him.

I would support a blodthirsty rapist canibal warlord vs the current elites as long as he is honest about it.

>>106125642
>Obviously common people have no political power, that would be madness. People aren't capable of governing themselves.
Ok glownigger what about switzerland ,atens ancient germanics ancient slavs most non state societies?

>hur dur lik the boot muh authority
>inbred degenerate that molests kids needs to be in power hur dur because its always been like this (since 1945).

>>106132561
>UK will force the whole planet to follow this
Sure thing retard UK is at the height of power comparable to gengis khan.

>>106124120
Fuck off back to your crystal cult thing.

>>106124882
also just look at their home page
they are supposed to push for electronic rights, but half their home page is filled with gay propaganda
IIRC they were also pushing to "cancel" rms

>>106132805
Do you really think there is a giant loophole where you can serve content that is illegal in one country through the internet as long as you just go to another country?

>>106132878
Age verification is getting pushed through in other places as well. The whole planet will follow UK on this and it's going to happen quite soon.

>>106123644
>Guilt by association means that I will cut off my nose to spite my face.

>>106124157
>zero knowledge means trustworthy

>>106132577
>It's totally about porn even though it will be just as easily accessible.
It's about tracking the end user.

>>106125273
>it was inevitable
dying is also inevitable so by asmons own logic he should kill himself right now.
but obviously he isnt going to do that because he doesnt believe in what he is saying because he is a grifter

>>106123553
in australia it is
>if you have an account you need to prove you are over 16
>except for messaging sites
>except for email
>except for "education"
>also doesnt change what content kids consume or how much they consume it just changes how they are able to interreact with it
>all porn/shock content is fully accessible to any age because none of it needs an account to view
>4chan is fine
>all video streaming and videogames are fine
its pretty fucking laughable honestly.

>>106124120
KEK
YWNBAW

>>106127512
Don't lie, we know it's "loicense"

>>106134906
>loophole
there's no law to break, what the fuck "loophole" are you talking about retard?You can complain and bitch to whomever and it doesn't matter, at no point would the person be visited by law enforcement of any kind. You can complain to their payment processors, who are far more likely to follow your laws for maintaining business relations there, which is vital for larger business, especially ones that ship physical product. That is not the same as just not blocking UK connections. You can't attack someone for not blacklisting an entire country, and in some cases it's illegal to do so. Use your head retard.

>>106131338
And you've never had any issues making transactions on the more obscure sites located abroad? That surprises me. I think most banks have phased out using sms verification but i suppose swedbank still sees it as an acceptable way to proceed 2 step verification then. That's specifically what was required by law from my understanding and most banks lets people do it through bankID now which is the most used and probably secure one.

You're right that it's not that dire, people can shop at most places and normies won't notice any limitations. But some transactions are more difficult if not impossible. It baffled me a while back when i tried to buy something and it didn't let me. I don't buy stuff that much and was looking forward to it, expecting everything to work properly since i had trust in our financial institutions and that everything would go smooth. Order got cancelled and i had to contact the bank which didn't help either. It might've been a one off site but it really disappointed me since the rest of the world seemed to have no issues using that site to make transactions. International bank transfers weren't supported by the site either and even if it were you'd have to call the bank, open it up and prepare for a payment after giving out very personal information to some random website. It's just a long annoying process to do something which i thought was going to be more efficient in a what's supposed to be a developed first world country that specializes in tech innovation.

>>106122766
very weak arguments.

>restricts freedom of expression
no it doesn't
>exposes uses to algorithmic discrimination
it's not algorithmic, it's literally a passport checker
>leaves millions of people without ID ... excluded from internet
excluded from PORN

>>106135651
>>restricts freedom of expression
>no it doesn't
uhh lil bro UK X users are already restricted from seeing migrant rape posts because of the act

>>106135677
that's not preventing expression is it

>>106135686
>im not preventing you from talking, im just plugging everyone's ears
the information is prevented from being communicated by the government = censorship

>>106135713
stopping someone from using twitter is not analogous to plugging everyone's ears. twitter is a private company.

>>106135726
it be called X you deadnaming bigot
the "private" public square's internet infrastructure is paid for by the public. social media is like a company town in Marsh v. Alabama.
[spoiler]you've been warned[/spoiler]

>>106135742
>it be called X you deadnaming bigot
KEK

>>106124749
If the parents don't care, it's not the government's job to force something. If the parents let the kids have access, then that's that.

>>106135777
>If the parents don't care, it's not the government's job to force something
>even if it becomes a problem for the rest of society, like there being a critical mass of warped teenagers who are all going to vote some day, that's not a problem for society
Wasted heavenly trips.

>>106122721 (OP)
Banning people from dressing up will do it!

>>106135818
not my problem

>>106135837
The society you live in IS your problem, you dumbass. Or do you think that, because politicians treat the population like quarter-wits under a hecking free and epic democratic system anyway, a few (read: ton) more quarter-wits in the form of goon-brained young adults shouldn't make too much more of a difference?

>>106135876
don't care, leave me alone

>>106135906
>don't care
Okay, then. Restoring the Monarchy and abolishing the vote shouldn't make a difference to you, should it?

>>106135929
wouldn't feel any different, voting does nothing anyway

>>106135987
>voting does nothing anyway
So what, exactly, was the point of the "Enlightenment" shilling for something the Greeks recognized was a failed experiment?

>>106135742
Bait used to be believable.

>>106135987
>trying to demoralize and demean democracy
Nice try Zhang, but it will never work. The west is and will always be better and more free than your authoritarian shithole

>>106123644
This online ID verification is essentially a vaccine passport, though

kids le masturbating using the internet is le bad because i said so

>>106136276
UKanons GET DOWN, this image is illegal for you to see without posting your ID

>>106136238
Why do you think that criticisms of democracy can only come from non-democratic regimes and not anyone with eyes and a working frontal lobe?
>>106136276
>because those kids will becomes adults with non-reproductive sexual habits
Fixed.

>>106136392
>>because those kids will becomes adults with non-reproductive sexual habits
We already have enough people
who gives a fuck if we have less people are breeding and having kids?
it's not like more people = everything cheaper lmao

>>106136392
>because those kids will becomes adults with non-reproductive sexual habits
South Korea has had porn banned for a long time now, and for everyone, but their people are far from what anyone would call 'reproductive'

>>106136433
>who gives a fuck if we have less people are breeding and having kids?
You're right, we should just import people who don't give a fuck about whatever our "Western values" were supposed to be in the first place and inject two-part sterilizing bioweapons into the people who were born here...
>>106136459
South Korea has other problems, many of which inherited from their democratic occupation.

>>106136485
>You're right, we should just import people who don't give a fuck about whatever our "Western values" were supposed to be in the first place and inject two-part sterilizing bioweapons into the people who were born here...
Or just let the population naturally decrease?

>>106136493
>naturally
lmao.

>>106136502
Yes, having the population decrease because of porn plus cost of living is too high. Is very natural
The elites can have less slaves its no big deal

>>106136392
Saying 'voting wont do shit' isnt criticism, but deligitimizing one of the key pillars of democracy which the system of power for the people, to the people, by the people. Same as if you said protests and political movements did jackshit.
Its like saying ice isnt cold and does jackshit for making drinks cool, youre clearly trying to deligitimize the democratic system, Zhang.
>>106136485
>many of which inherited from their democratic occupation.
See anons? The mask falls off, anon is clearly a chinese or russian shill trying to talk us into not believing in democracy, which many many people died fighting for, may I remind you.

>>106136433
lil bro think he slick