Thread 106127113

>Lumo represents one of many investments Proton will be making before the end of the decade to ensure that Europe stays strong, independent, and technologically sovereign. Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government proposals(new window) to introduce mass surveillance — proposals that have been outlawed in the EU — Proton is moving most of its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland. Lumo will be the first product to move.
>This shift represents an investment of over €100 million into the EU proper. While we do not give up the fight for privacy in Switzerland (and will continue to fight proposals that we believe will be extremely damaging to the Swiss economy), Proton is also embracing Europe and helping to develop a sovereign EuroStack(new window) for the future of our home continent. Lumo is European, and proudly so, and here to serve everybody who cares about privacy and security worldwide.
https://proton.me/blog/lumo-ai

Fuck AI. I don't want AI. I wish all companies doing AI blew up.

>>106127113 (OP)
Qwen is still the best online AI because their servers are hosted in China, far out of the reach of our glowies and you don't even need an account to use it.

Switzerland isn't EU?

>While we do not [...] Proton is also [...]
hmm

>>106127275
no, Switzerland is not in the EU. Neither is Norway or the United Kingdom.

morons

>>106127275
Never was. They do participate in the European single market though.

>>106127113 (OP)
>to fight mass surveillance we're moving from Switzerland to EU
Can't make this shit up

Is Lumo FOSS? Is the source available anywhere?

>>106127141
Get obsoleted, Luddite.

>>106127930
name the country that won't have above the table mass surveillance and/or required ID verification for access to 'adult' internet spaces in the next 10 years.
it doesn't matter
proton was compromised anyways, the government both intercepts private communications and deputizes 'private' corporations to snoop on its behalf and virtually all of them will cuck and sell you down the river.

>>106127984
Get killed niggerfaggot

>>106127930
Apparently these laws would obligate them to identify users and retain their data.

>>106127275
They're smart enough to know it's a group kikes.

>>106127113 (OP)
They gave access to that one guy's email in Spain or whatever, this was always a honeypot. Fuck Proton.

>>106128008
The difference is that in Switzerland it will have to pass through direct democracy, while EU MEPs will just push it down everyones throats

>>106128162
>direct democracy

Is a meme just like "people's democracy"

>>106127113 (OP)
>ensure that Europe stays strong, independent, and technologically sovereign.
hasn't been any of those things since the 1800s

I think it has to do with the tariffs maybe

Switzerland has much higher tariffs than EU

>>106127984
The calculator does not need AI.
AI needs a calculator.

>>106127314
Norway is just as bad though, and the UK is even worse.

>>106128479
All I did was list countries that are in Europe, but who are not members of the European Union political bloc...

>>106127113 (OP)
Glad I abandoned that a while ago. I knew it was too good to be true. They are better at pretending to be private than Apple. It's unfortunate so many still believe.

>>106127113 (OP)
imagine using proton like a retard. set up your own email server
https://git.lolcat.ca/lolcat/bullmail

>>106128555
based lolcat spreading the truth as is

B...but shouldn't retards use services to avoid getting the local security wrong?

>>106128555

no other youtuber even made this retarded comparison

such weird shit from this guy again who has said he uses a 14900K and 4090 in his home PC btw

>>106128906
i mean, if you're retarded there's no helping it now is there

>EU
>privacy
LOL !

>be me
>living in bongland
>can't read email because i'm not loisenced

>>106129182
Oi mate I'm going to have see your greentexting permit and the internet loicense you fahking poofta.

>>106129218
But sir I haven't quote posted anything 18+!!

>>106129302
Guv'nah you're going straight to Belmarsh.

>>106129171
Yeah, I would rather store my data in the US - the place where corporations care about their customers' privacy.

>be thirdie
>get fucked by organized crime and paramilitia
>be eufag
>get fucked by government
>be usfag
>get fucked by corporations
is there no hope?

>>106127275
how are you so stupid that you waste time posting this

>>106129380
dis NIGGA lives in a place where free speech is considered criminal and illegal lmao

Honeypot

>>106129417
>is there no hope?
There's Russia.
>get fucked by by organized crime, paramilitia, government and corporations

>>106128162
MEPs don't have power. It's set up like the soviet union where only the unelected commission has any real power and parlament is simply a scapegoat you can vote on. We essentially liver under the exact same system they did.

>>106129578
>We essentially liver under the exact same system they did.
Nowadays we have more freedom of travel, on paper anyways. Who the fuck that's working class can actually afford to travel nowadays.

>>106127984
>Luddite
Look mom, I posted it again *giggle*

>>106129787
Not if you're a problem for the state. Look at any prominent right wing/anti immigration figure. They're detained whenever they try to enter another country even if they have totally clean criminal records. The states can do that to any of us, no process needed, no legal rights.

>>106127113 (OP)
So Proton is moving from a country that is harder to spy on by the EU, to a country where the company in the EU. Is this because now everyone is using Proton VPNs in the EU?

I think it's time to find a different mail alternative.

>>106129825
Also, why do you think they're constantly spamming you with "travel hurts the environment" propaganda? It's to normalize when they introduce co2 limits that lock your CBDC fiat if you try to buy tickets.
It's the same system under a new name and much gayer.

>>106127275
No
>>106127113 (OP)
This is a canary in the coal mine moment. EU has worse privacy rights than Switzerland, one of the worst privacy rights in the western world. So this is meant to cooperate with EU officials so proton doesnt get banned.

>>106127113 (OP)
>Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government proposals(new window) to introduce mass surveillance — proposals that have been outlawed in the EU — Proton is moving most of its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland.
like what?
they do know that the EU plans to literally scan every email, message, etc, right?

>>106129825
If you're a problem for the powers that be you're fucked no matter the system. I'm absolutely left politicly and it's still ridiculous how hard they crack down on just certain right wingers that seem to actually have the balls to challenge them. The trucker protests got shut down the second they started to become a real problem. The rest that are just larping as opposition are still getting by just fine and those are the people I'm talking about. If you don't rock the boat too much you marginally have more rights on paper today than you did back then and apparently that's good enough for people.

>>106129869
Proton is speaking the opposite. ChatControl is literally what EU is pushing, same with DSA thats already implemented, etc. Europe's only hope is hosting it in a country that doesnt respect EU laws like Russia.

The threat comes from your own gov more than foreign gov.

>>106127984
Pay debts, thief

>>106129874
It's fucking insane, the level of oppression is hard to comprehend. They're literally causing mass rape and destruction and imprisoning people for speaking out against it. And with >>106129890 ChatControl there is no freedom of communication outside darknets. All will be monitored, logged, classified.
DSA goes even further. There will be software pre-installed on devices to facilitate it's goals.
Everything we warned about is coming true, we were right all along.

Start an I2P node, everyone.

>>106127991
>name the country that won't have above the table mass surveillance and/or required ID verification for access to 'adult' internet spaces in the next 10 years.
Literally Switzerland. This shit isn't passing there because they have an actual representative democracy any not a democracy-actually-dictatorship like in the US, UK, or EU

>>106128053
>>this was always a honeypot.
Yes. Yes it was and it and the same with Signal imo. Anything with media coverage about how private it is, is imho a honeypot

>>106129029
That guy is a troll sociopath. He's probably the most obv of the tech yt scammers

>>106127200
Has it replaced deepseek?

>>106130000
Holy shit. Checked as fuck.

>>106127984
This post angers and triggers the touristtrannies/normalniggers.

>>106128361
What does that even mean?

>>106127113 (OP)
How does this affect Valve?

>>106130076
I would say yes.

all digital communications are surveilled and tracked.
or rather, if they want it they can and will find it.

>>106127991
Serbia

>>106127314
>>106127878
>>106128044
>>106129443
>>106129857
Retards

>>106128044
Omega kikes can recognize kikery a mile away. Can't bullshit a bullshitter kinda thing.

>>106131148
EU ≠ Europe

>>106131239
It's right there on the map retard. The "E" stands for "Euorope."

>>106131148
8/8

EU out of all places? Why?

with EU having a stronghold on digital privacy and forcing companies like apple to give them a backdoor to encryption and other mass surveillance state activities, it seems like a terrible move.

remember, Proton coughed up the IP of a French activist while on ProtonVPN. if they wanted to be transparent they would publish examples of what they give up when you're hit with a legal request like Signal.

i may be retarded but couldn't they have picked Sweden or some adjacent country instead?

>>106130944
Serbia doesn't have strong enough rule of law to prevent any under the table surveillance or just randomly holding your servers hostage.

>>106131282
More significantly, Serbia is going to join the EU in one way or another (Maidan) by the end of the decade. They're sucking Euro cocks so badly that they buy Rafales and sell weapons to country 404...

>>106131282
>>106131310
I just said the first country to come to mind
Slovenia

>>106130302
LLMs fail to do basic arithmetic at scale.
But they weren't designed to do that so I don't think it's fair to judge it based off that.

They still fucking suck at basic instructions and following them. They also need to be explicitly told everything, unable to infer or evaluate from context.

Actual AI applications in medical research fields are a massive boon though, like uncovering genetic markers and their impacts on pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics.

Wtf is it with every nation attacking privacy recently?

>>106131446
They've gotten bolder since covid proved that collectively we're a bunch of retards, useful idiots, and pushovers.

>>106131501
They planned this shit long before covid. But it probably did give them the confidence to go all in.

>>106131446
(((They))) are collectively waking up

>>106131519
Also economically many western countries are backsliding badly and unrest will follow, so governments are motivated to get their control infrastructure in place now.

>>106131560
Yup, forcing draconian surveillance and control on the massive group of downtrodden fighting age men is surely the best way forward.

>>106131446
You're only hearing about it because the media either refused to cover the story from 2 years ago or they misrepresented the dire situation from 2 years ago when Musk bought twitter to stop the censorship cartel. Media will lie 24/7 to advance politics. So whatever you hear from reddit, believe the opposite and you'll come out more information on reality.

In truth, this fight has been going for for few years. There are multiple lawsuits from X and some other freedom/privacy respecting groups (Not any of the tranny leftist groups), against US gov, against GARM, against Ireland, against UK, against India, against Turkey, against EU, etc. They just dont want to report on it.

Just few days ago, Ireland claimed that censorship of posts on social media is legal in EU code against a challenge from X. This is a landmark decision from Ireland and by proxy EU, but none of the leftist media will report on actual court fights

>>106131582
this but unironically

>>106131446
People are becoming too critical of Israel

Is tutamail any better?

>>106130302
>The calculator does not need AI.
They are shoving AI everywhere even in places where it's not needed.

>AI needs a calculator.
LLMs sucks at math. They need to figure out how to make AI use human tools such as calculators.

>>106131668
Oy

>>106127113 (OP)
>honeypot moves into the EU

better move to fucking Mars

>>106127113 (OP)
>moving to the EU
why not move to north korea at this point? are they retarded?

>>106129824
>Look mom, I posted it again
Yes you did, sweetie. You posted it again.

>>106129542
i will not stand for this slander
we have no paramilitia, each one was either absorbed by organized crime, or are government lapdogs curated by federal glowies

>>106131446
>recently

>>106131582
Seems to work well for the Russians lol

>>106130000
as a rule of thumb, if it's in a western NATO adjacent country, even if it's neutral, it's a potentially a US-subservient honeypot.

>>106129957
i live in south america and when i found out the UK OSA predicament is really something unexpected for a place which is part of what globohomo leaders call the "free" world. this shit is literally CCP tier repression. you should have redeemed an EU citizenship while you could.

>>106127113 (OP)
doesn't the EU want to ban cryptography?

>>106134558
Every sensible world power does. You don't need it, now spread open that asshole goy

>>106134515
OSA is very unpopular at least, elements of the mainstream press are turning against it, even some members of parliament have said it's bad, and the current government is already extremely unpopular and have rival parties breathing down their necks.

It's not guaranteed of course but there might be a slim chance. And if the UK one is changed, hopefully it'll influence the other similar acts other countries are pushing.

>>106127991
All the African countries. Interesting, isn't it?

>>106128162
https://tuta.com/blog/switzerland-surveillance-plan
>What is more, the law is not introduced by or via the Parliament
>instead the Swiss government, the Federal Council and the Federal Department of Justice and Police (FDJP), want to massively expand internet surveillance by updating the VÜPF - without Parliament having a say

>>106129967
See >>106135564

>>106131560
lucid response

>>106135628
great democracy there

>>106127275
chuds not trusting Wikipedia will post shit like this

>>106128008
strange. i was going to move some things to switzerland because it has privacy and free speech. i wonder what caused this reversal? i'll need to look into it.

>>106136352
It's not passed yet.

>>106135564
>Switzerland killing the reason anyone does anything in Switzerland
Amazing

>>106131590
>Media will lie 24/7 to advance politics
The funny thing is Hanlon's Razor is kinda true in this case, because the media aren't necessarily malicious liars when it comes to politics (not saying there are no hacks out there), but they're utterly lazy and just report government media releases as 'the news' and not bother doing anything even vaguely resembling investigative journalism.
I dunno if there's a way to reverse the death of investigative journalism, twitter notes are about as close as you get these days.

>>106136740
They've been at it since the early 2000s when the US pressured them to weaken banking privacy laws.

>>106127991
South Korea

>>106136808
>can't protect the children if you don't have any
big brain play

>>106136777
Hanlon's Razors fail to explain why they only cover one side of the gov. It refuses to explain why 99% coverage of Musk/Trump/Republicans are negative in MSM. Its all political. Particularly, its old institutional political elites (WEF/Leftists) vs non-institutional/ground up/new blood/etc

>>106127200
qwen sending massinve ping/alive in the background. fuck them. never found anything like that in AI ecosystem.

>>106130076
as far i know, there are 3 free tier AI from china

qwen
deepseek
kimi (i should block their image-header, eat too many bandwidth)

>>106134558
>doesn't the EU want to ban cryptography?
Only a few idiot luddite boomer Germans, and the totalitarian police-state slanted Hungarians in bed with Orban. And they're opposed by pretty much every other country recognizing that cryptography as a technology is a house of cards that you can't and thus don't fuck with in any way or the entire thing comes falling down.

You're perhaps confused with the UK. Which - since they left the EU - has been doing a banging decent job at outpacing the Hungarians at becoming the next European totalitarian police state. The UK actually HAS been meaning to put a ban on cryptography since ... I want to say at least the past two decades?

>>106127200
Based

>>106127113 (OP)
what model are they using?

based proton btw

fuck PROTECT HTE M

>>106127113 (OP)
>Europe
>technologically sovereign