How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• Tempotec Variations V1 - $130
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106105704

>>106127632
Ziigaat Crescent is cheaper and arguably better.

op is a faggot

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
all shite poors gonna poor

>>106128204
stfu they mog ur pos after eq

>>106128229
>after eq
fucking kek

>>106128157
stfu and read the eq guide

>>106128249
nobody has ever

>>106128229
>they're nothing without needing to be fixed with eq first

and I'm hung like an unbaked baguette

>>106128249
who wrote it? what are his creds?

>>106128278
>who wrote it?
Shartur

>>106128285
if it's actually shartur that wrote it i'm killing myself and deleting all of my eq

saars pls use peqdb thank you kindly

>>106128249
Nope, not reading that garbage. Won't do it. No sir.

>>106128363
what are /iemg/'s thoughts on peqdb?

Best 150 bucks DAP ? My surfans f20 broke and I need a remplacement :(
I kinda liked the fact that I can put rockbox on it

>>106128430
good software, shit implementation and procedure
the results favor sample size over minimizing noise, the latter being especially problematic for acoustics

>>106128430
Crap because it imposes Shartur's target on listening tests he does this so can he later say
>oh wow people like my target in all those tests the most
and then
>as was shown in numerous blind testing and put in my white paper my target is the best of all

>>106128474
op taking L after L
anyways if you want rockbox you are stuck with shit hardware like old ipod classics
if you just want PEQ the tempotec v1 is supposedly going to get it in an update but that hasn't dropped yet and chinks are notorious scammers (the absolute gullible mongoloid still put it in the op kek)

>>106128569
there's no better alternative sub $100, nigger

>>106128649
the fuck are you talking about
all the daps in question are over $100

>>106128569
Any date for the update or just chinks doing chinks things ?

>>106128569
Tbh I kinda like the surfans f20, just the fact that it broke in 1 year is kinda shit. My mechen m30 did the same before

>>106128025 (OP)
>still using my 7hz timeless
>no need to spend more money
just werkz

>>106128682
not if you buy directly from their shop

>>106128909
thats a temporary sale
>>106128771
nope, i am still huffing the hopium but it takes a major kind of retard to take the chinks on their word without question

>>106128569
Don't buy an iPod classic.
I spent like $250 buying one and upgrading it and putting Rockbox on it and this is not it dog.
It's heavily limited by its incredibly low RAM (even with the 64mb RAM versions) and it constantly freezes, stutters, and has skips in songs randomly.
No physical volume buttons and no way to adjust the volume until a song starts playing.
Can't use any USB DACs with it, no bluetooth if you ever want to use TWS.
I was expecting insane battery life from the 3800mah battery I put in, everyone claims weeks, even months without going through a single charge on 2000mah and 3000mah batteries. For me according to Rockbox it drains through like 30% of battery a day, so I'm guessing all those claims are made up or it's through people listening to low quality mp3 files for 20 minutes a day.

It looks cool, especially when modded, and it's nostalgic. But for the price of buying one and buying all the stuff to mod into it you can just get an actual modern dap like a HiBy R4 that will blow it out of the water.

>>106129033
that's a lot worse than I remember, I did use a rockboxed gen 7 like a decade ago and it was alright
obviously doesn't compare with the versatility of a modern dap or phone with poweramp but it was pretty good for the time

>>106128909
$20 shipping though.

>>106128878
Same but I have the urge to spend money for something more comfortable with better mids/treble so I'm looking

underrated peace gui feature: automation

>>106129313
what does it do?

>>106129361
you can route certain presets to different devices, outputs, and hotkeys
for example i have two outputs, one connected to something permanent so i made it so that when i choose that device, the corresponding preset is automatically applied

>>106129295
unfortunate.

for my ear it's the most comfy. the AE and 2 are too deep.

A word of warning about chinky TWS and possibly all TWS: the contacts will get dirty, and the buds will stop charging. Really annoying, because the buds will stay connected to your phone while in the case while draining battery. I cleaned the contacts on the buds and the case with Q-tips and some IPA, which fixed the problem. Somehow my old ass galaxy buds which I've owned for 3 years now have never had this issue, while I've owned the Mino and Pill for only a few months and they've both developed this problem. I've used the Mino at the gym which may explain it but the Pill hasn't been used for any physical activity.

do pos with paper diaphragms exist?

>>106129401
this is part of the reason why wired > wireless

>>106129401
This constantly happens to me on my Airpods too, very annoying

Is EQing the s12s to Harman a good representation of Harman because it sounds like absolutely AIDS compared to JM1

>>106129401
how the fuck does that Moondrop one even fit on your ear? I can't tell what I'm looking at

the usual
>discovers harman
>eq to harman
>sounds like shit
experience is universal it seems

Should I upgrade from a Tempotec V1 Variations to a Hiby R4? Having Poweramp/Wavelet sounds good, and the DAC in the Hiby apparently has better sound (the Tempotec is kind of shouty). Just concerned about the size. Is the R4 noticeably smaller than a phone?

>>106128909
I bought it for $69 last week.

>>106129605
if you've already got it wait for the PEQ update
dacs generally all sound the same, something else in your chain is causing the shout (most likely the iems)
also if you're using the graphical EQ apparently thats also broken at the moment

>>106129576
harman is too shouty anyway. you're using JM-1 as if it's a preference curve. it's not.

>>106129576
no
the only good representation of harman would be trying harman with an actual IEMs them used with exact tuning they used
tho judging by graph they s12 is already rather harmanish by default

>>106129647
what is a preference curve

>>106128204
Do you want to know the term in marketing for people like you? Retards.

>find a nice track
>hey, I wonder what else do they have on the label
>...

>>106129647
So I shouldn't be EQing to jm1 OR IEF? Could you explain further?

>>106129763
ignore our resident schizo

>>106129401
Why would you buy the pill if not to use during physical activity? It inherently has worse sound quality

>>106129709
one that's derived from a listener's or a group of listeners' preference. the only time JM-1 can be considered preference is in the fact that it's Jaako's preference.

https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/rigs-curves-targets/#preference-target-or-not

>>106129763
what is your specific goal?

>>106129592
Like so
>>106129801
I bought it because it looks weird. I only use TWS for podcasts/videos so sound is not a concern.

>no you can't tell the difference between ldac and aac codec in an A/B test
I sat and listened to a lossless file and toggled on and off while not looking at my phone screen and I had a 100 percent success rate in knowing whether it was ldac or aac althougheverbeit.

I want some bluetooth IEMs with easily replaceable batteries, are the fairbuds the only ones which have easily swappable ones? I heard that the audio quality isn't very good. Ideally I would like them to sound like my Superlux HD681. Budget is up to 150€ but cheaper would be preferred.

>>106130051
Toggling what.

>>106129634
I really hope they'll come out with the update soon. If they add a PEQ it will be a great device. I love the small size.

>>106130077
Android Bluetooth settings has an LDAC setting you can toggle on and off, that's what I was doing

>>106129576
No, it depends on your individual IEM. Some will sound shouty, others will sound good (when tuned to Harman).

>>106129805
Is there a way to see a graph for your own EQd IEMs? For example if I have the S12 and I do some EQ changes, can I see a graph with these changes included?

>>106130132
go to squig.link, choose your model, and apply the eq in the equalizer tab
read the eq guide for advanced eq shenanigans

>>106129597
>go to harman
>double blind test
>sounds amazing to everyone
your sighted bias is ruining it

>>106129818
to compare different iems for now

If I actually want something neutral and not shouty, should I get the Daybreak or Pure?

80% of the time I'm listening on a 2.1 system with room correction eq applied, so I like a neutral tonality with a slight bass boost.

>>106130245
daybreak might be shouty so id say pure is safer

>>106129949
wtf is that comfortable?

>>106129805
preference = neutrality
JM-1 basically was calculated from DF measurements (and confirmed by DF measurements) of human ears combined with room tilt (actual preference) and theoretically should sound neutral (same thing as preference)
so how is it not a preference target?

>>106130193
we'd have to wait for more 5128 testing
moa tests show that most clusters tend toward a modified df anyways

>>106130193
what pos did they use for it?

>>106130454
stfu nigger,.they've already tested it enough https://aes2.org/publications/elibrary-page/?id=22696
do you think they'll keep throwing money at fruitless research? lmao
>>106130487
read the fucking paper, nigger

>>106130561
you haven't attended the moa talks have you

>>106130573
i have, 5128 DF + tilt, so what? people can like soundguys, harman 2019, and -0.8/oct tilt according to the research
what's your fucking point

you people do realize that all this target curve spergery is irrelevant unless you're a pos designer right?

>>106130611
Yes. If your EQ looks like some target you fucked up.

>>106130561
what pos did they use tho?

>>106130561
fact that SG has the same preference rating while being vastly different do tell us something

How to measure acoustic output impedance?

>>106130685
tell us nothing, people can like different tunings, it's been well known for decades
>>106130673
momentum + qudelix
>inb4 minimum phase doubter melty

>>106130714
grim

>>106130685
It tells us that mids don't exist.

>>106130714
>momentum + qudelix
CHILL I was just asking

how to eq the eq guide?

>>106130714
>tell us nothing, people can like different tunings, it's been well known for decades
it's same people liking different targets tho even harman was kinda surprised

>>106130714
>people can like different tunings, it's been well known for decades
tbf sg is not within the preference bounds and clusters that were established so it points to either very high variability (higher than headpos/speakers) in preference, non-optimized targets due to the use of 5128, or a mix of both

>>106130753

>>106130787
ok how to use eq to get a good eq guide?

What is the best non android PMP in the 200$ price range ?

>>106130358
kind of a false equivalence since preference comes from what people enjoy. JM-1 is supposed to simulate what happens at your eardrum when in a treated room listening to neutral monitors which makes is a psychoacoustic target

>>106129375
I do this with per-device filters in the APO GUI and have enough dongles to never need to switch EQs manually between IEMs. Hotkeys sound neat though.

>>106130856
nta but the whole idea of neutral speakers is based on preference...

>>106130856
>kind of a false equivalence since preference comes from what people enjoy
they enjoy neutrality
it was established decades ago
>JM-1 is supposed to simulate what happens at your eardrum when in a treated room listening to neutral monitors which makes is a psychoacoustic target
literally meaningless term

>>106130867
why did you stop spamming your ugly pos

>>106130867
yeah you can also make it change stuff based on what program you open up

>>106130878
yeah, we're talking semantics now. neutrality is a technical aspiration, right? because most people won't really give a shit about flatness unless there's a goal. you run a study, the same as harman and use something like JM-1, I think we know what the consensus would be.

>>106130893
>they enjoy neutrality
harman is neutral? what?
>literally meaningless term
you must hate words then.

>>106130920
no, the point is that neutrality is not a valid term to use because there is nothing that officially ground neutrality in an objective manner. without preference, you could say that in-room flat is neutrality, and no one would have any possible counter arguments.
it is all based on preference research, end of story. we can sugar coat it and make it enticing to everyone by selling the whole thing under neutrality since it is more intuitive, but it is all based on preference, not the other way around.
the same goes for jm-1. it borrows ideas from preference research, has been validated in preference research, and is sold as a preference target by its makers and fans.

You can define "neutral" as flat in speakers and whether you like it or not is preference. You can't do this in IEMs since their own sound changes depending on the wearer.

how to eq sexy waifu on pos??

>>106130960
you’re conflating perceptual compensation with preference. you can easily use JM-1 as a preference target but it doesn't mean it was made to be one. because it wasn't.

>>106130999
Epz.

Acoustic output impedance measurements are the final frontier of iems and will finally vindicate the techs believers.

>>106131024
how was the meal

>>106131032
How. They believe there are things other than FR and this is just FR.

>>106131048
tasted like dead ruskies killed by ukrainian drones

Does anyone have any experience with using vented ear tips, especially with Aria Blacks? I've always IEM's and for a long while I've noticed that there's a weird build up of pressure that occurs on one side of my ears. It ends up forcing me to equalize my volume to even it out and it causes everything to sound muddled and shit, any fix for this?

>acoustic impedance
>iems highest occlusion index
you niggas are amusing

>>106131048
It was fine, just a branded chimkn sammich. The pink sauce surprisingly was smoky.

>>106131165
cool, never asked ve8 anon how his meals tasted, now i feel bad

what's the easiest high-priced pos to clone and scam head-fiers?

>>106130932
>harman is neutral? what?
when research on speakers was done they used 2 gauges preference and neutrality... and it was discovered that it's basically the same thing so they dropped neutrality.
harman oe 2018 is neutral IE tho I'm not so sure

>>106128025 (OP)
I've had the Hexas for a while now but the eartips have started sliding off. Any ways to solve this?

>>106131516
you'll get one anon that will tell you to wrap a string around the base of the ear tips
just get other tips

>>106131534
Actually you should just get other IEMs.

>>106131534
I tried a few other eartips but it still happens

>>106130960
neutrality = preference

>>106131593
Take the tips off, make a loop of thread on the stem to pre-tension it, put them back on.

>>106131495
yeah that was early on and it was the trained listeners that preferred a neutral target, especially in a room. I don't think the fact that some people like neutrality makes it a preference since the goal of preference is enjoyment and that doesn't seem to align with something like JM-1. to me.
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/rigs-curves-targets/#preference-target-or-not
fwiw

>>106131516
Get the pure instead

>>106131624
yes, but preference dictates neutrality. we found what people preferred, then used that as the basis for neutral
>>106131641
>I don't think the fact that some people like neutrality makes it a preference since the goal of preference is enjoyment and that doesn't seem to align with something like JM-1. to me.
go read the studies or floyd's book again, "neutrality" and preference are extremely correlated trained or not
neutrality without preference does not exist

>>106131624
>neutrality = preference
to trained listeners, sure. duh, but the average consumer isn't thinking for a second, not even a split-second, whether or not a particular piece of audio's mix is being 'accurately reproduced by their gear. the general public doesn't think this way and harman showed that.

>>106131689
>to trained listeners, sure.
no
to everybody

>>106131679
thanks again, I'll save it this time
>neutrality without preference does not exist
if preference was part of JM-1s goal, it would have a bass shelf or decent upper midrange, but it doesn't. there's a difference between neutral being preferred and neutral being preference, but there's too much overlap with harman research

>>106131641
>fact that some people like neutrality makes it a preference since the goal of preference is enjoyment
wrong
>that doesn't seem to align with something like JM-1
what does it even mean
JM-1 is done to emulate speaker response in a treated room for an average listener. The biggest problem is differences in HRTF and acoustic impedance

>>106131704
it wasn't the untrained listeners that preferred flat or neutral. it was the trained listeners. they gave up on developing a neutral target because that would be less consistent to measure. the average listener could give a shit less about neutrality. if that weren't true, skull candy and goddamn raycon wouldn't be selling nigger blasting bass shit and selling like hot cakes.

>>106131736
well it depends if we're talking about jm1 without any of the changes, or jm1 with the usual tilts
if it's the former, then we are talking about a variation of df. we can classify this as a reference curve (as per the eq guide) but it is not neutral
>there's a difference between neutral being preferred and neutral being preference
there is no difference, neutral arises from preference, that is the end.
without preference there is nothing, because then people could say that in room flat is neutral and that preference is something else
except that never happened because of what floyd toole has talked about for decades
i recommend you read 5.7 and 5.9 of floyd toole's book
>>106131790
the assumption in your statement about skull candy and raycon doesn't take into consideration the whole social/cultural impact on sound perception and ignores research that shows that sound quality itself is not nearly as important as other factors

>>106131758
JM-1 doesn't revolve around what the average listener deems "fun". to "emulate speaker response in a treated room " makes it psychoacoustic in its very nature, not preference. besides being Jakko's neutral preference, it's just not the same utility as harman.
if more people mentioned they liked neutrality because they care about staying true to the audio's mix, whatever they listen to, this hobby would look so different. an audio's mix, on that note, is never mentioned.
it should be, "what's the audio doing for my gear?", not the other way around

>>106131736
JM-1 DF is not JM-1

>xhe was EQing to raw ass JM1
jesus fucking christ

>>106131894
The smartest techs believer.

>>106131798
>Without preference there is nothing, because people could just say in-room flat is neutral.

that's exactly what JM-1 is.. a perception approximation of in-room flatness at the eardrum. it isn't based tuned for enjoyment so thanks for confirming it’s a psychoacoustic reference target and not a preference curve.

>>106131894
>>106131934
that was an experiment for shits fellas :(

>>106131988
right, as i described
>if it's the former, then we are talking about a variation of df. we can classify this as a reference curve (as per the eq guide) but it is not neutral
reference is the proper term, not neutral. it might seem like a small difference but it is important to use precise language

>using flat steady state in-room response
>in 2025
we're progressing backwards, wtf is this shit

>>106101582
Thoughts?? Afaik Hiby hasn't shown a design as of yet, but I trust it will look snazzy.

>>106131858
>JM-1 doesn't revolve around what the average listener deems "fun"
because we already know what an average listener deems "fun" for speakers on average
>makes it psychoacoustic in its very nature, not preference
it's meaningless term
who is using it? you?
>besides being Jakko's neutral preference
who the fuck is jakko
>an audio's mix, on that note, is never mentioned.
you think so because you didn't read the research

>>106132003
I get the distinction. I started using JM-1 as a preference briefly, but as it turns out, it's not a mood. just a tool.
I cannot recall atm where I read JM-1 being simply a mic calibration tool, but I'll post it if I do.

>>106132136
>what
the
>fuck
are
>you
trying
>to
accomplish

>who the fuck is jakko
>you didn't read the research

wat

How do you EQ with pink noise? It all sounds the same to me.

>>106132253
Pink noise is inferior, EQ with high pitched japanese female vocals instead. Covers everything from 300Hz to 15K.

>>106132163
congrats you are retarded

>>106132265
rebut the talking points or shut the fuck up.
>inb4 I did
when I mentioned an audio mix's importance not being brought up, I meant in this general. all that greentext only to shit up the place. sheesh

>>106130314
That's what I was thinking. Pure with a cut in 250hz region looks to be about perfect for my preference.

>>106132150
>JM-1 being simply a mic calibration tool
lol literally wat
https://youtu.be/EZoKPtzjdtQ

>>106132150
preference is not a mood either
>mic calibration tool
i think you're referring to it being a change to account for the rig being used, see other anon's video or the eq guide, they both have the explanations
>>106132253
pink noise is only applicable if you have a reference speaker setup

>>106130807
>non android PMP in the 200$
Hiby R3 Pro II, Shanling M1 Plus

>>106131139
>causes everything to sound muddled
Moisture clogging the IEM's filters is your root issue. Read:
>https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide#iem-maintenance-filters
There are no such "vented," ear tips. Some will claim to have designs which alleviate pressure, it is mostly untrue, and it will not solve your problem.

>>106132302
>rebut the talking points or shut the fuck up.
your points are meaningless word salad
you somehow started going full retard about "audio mix"... what the fuck else is there to talk about? audio mix will not change preference it's been researched too... You are just talking out of your us with 0 understanding
>it should be, "what's the audio doing for my gear?", not the other way around
literally wrong
>when I mentioned an audio mix's importance
you will fail to prove it is important. most things people are listening to mixed just fine

>>106132390
I thought I read that in passing, can't find where I might have seen it. I'm fine with being totally dead wrong, either way

Remember to buy coffee tips!

I like my jlab pop pros, they have active hearing but takes fifteen seconds for the thing to connect which is gay

What's a thick sounding iem for weighty bass heavy guitars

>>106132526
your accurate imaging and separation of instruments starts with the audio itself. you're all over the place, stay on track.
it's impressive that you manage to dismiss entirely, the fact that well-mixed audio can't be discerned from shit if your gear is shit.
and most people have no idea what the fuck a mix even is. like yourself.

>>106132589
S08 can be pretty good for guitars in general. Hefty bass and some extra 1khz energy to bring guitars closer into the mix. They are dark though.

>>106132600
>your accurate imaging and separation of instruments starts with the audio itself
mix will not add a soundstage to your pos so talking about it is meaningless it doesn't change anything
>it's impressive that you manage to dismiss entirely, the fact that well-mixed audio can't be discerned from shit if your gear is shit.
wow if your gear is shit everything sounds like shit what a revelation. You basically debunked your own points with that one
>and most people have no idea what the fuck a mix even is. like yourself.
neither should they
because it doesn't matter

>>106132714
whew, boy.
fuck your bait.

>>106132784
listen to yourself, retard
you were basically like "did you know that even well mixed audio sounds like shit with a bad gear" as if you are some kind of genius who figured it all out
lol shut up you are legit stupid

>>106132801
do yourself a favor and cope harder


not my problem you can only formulate nigger-tier responses.

Techschuds win again

This is it, I'm buying the CrinEar Daybreak™ from my preferred choice of retailer. Buy yours CrinEar Daybreak™ too!

>>106132959
Do not Forget About Coffee Tips!

>thread #5127 of anon not understanding production vs reproduction

>>106132865
cope with what lol
you can't even answer properly

techuds going so far with their stupidity that they're now evaluating music
my fucking sides holy shit

>>106132959
>>106132986
I'm buying both and I'm not joking. Am I expecting to be blown away? lol no Am I expecting good techs? lol no An I expecting good comfort/fit?? Not really
I'll be using jm-1 tuned pos as a baseline for uncovering driver behavior. Good thing daybreak has several drivers

ok we're slowly approaching chuzo levels of delusion, this is exciting

>>106133108
>>106133121
>>106133146
samefag.
this will be a boring night.

>>106133137
are you using the autoeq website or autoeq in the squigs?
make sure you do it in squigs, preferably in 5128 ones so you can set the range from 20 to 20khz

>>106133160
oh no he's schizoing out...

>>106133160
meds NEOW

>>106133168
5128 measurements only
not only I set 20-20Hz
I change auto ranges for gain and Q so the system can sway wildly

>>106133180
sounds perfect, go ahead champ

the epz freaks always samefag (idk if its the pedo or the furfag)

he's so mad lol

bro at some point you'll need to stop being retarded

they can't read, what do you expect bro

>psyche review from jaytiss
>abysmal dogshit
wooooooooooooooooooooooooow
who would have thought!!!!!!

>>106133412
moondrop really needs to wake the fuck up

>eceleb worship
its never been so over

>>106133412
"thin, bright and too clear. hollow voices, plasticky, cuppy with hollow bass. I don't think this is a dynamic or mid-focused tuning. It's not unlistenable, but it doesn't come across as clean or clear...just comes across as bad to my ears and I'm not a big fan of this iem."

>$2K

>>106133560
well I guess no mids and 1k-2.5k will do that
What the fuck is moondrop even thinking actually? shitting out overpriced garbage...

>>106133857
>2DD 4BA 4planar
they're not thinking. it's more overengineered bullshit that doesn't even look good on paper. bullshit proprietary DD system they put a long, retarded acronym to and their microplanars are apparently a new type developed by them. they showed the graph comparing to VDSF and they still couldn't get it right.
and to think, how emotionally AND financially invested some people are in this hobby...

>>106133956
so many drivers for 1DD tier tuning lol
they are so fucking stupid

need a TWS earbud with good isolation for use on the subway. Bose QC Ultra seems to be the best for that but it only supports APTX Adaptive which a lot of phones don't have

>The KZ ZVX PRO is better than the EDC PRO in every way for a few dollars more

>>106134048
better how

>>106134100
sound, build quality, bang for the buck

Does the cable matter at all for sound quality ? Was considering getting one of those microphone cables for gayming

>>106134117
>Does the cable matter at all for sound quality
no

>>106133857
>What the fuck is moondrop even thinking actually? shitting out overpriced garbage...
It works for 64 audio so might as well try it

>>106133412
>he can't hear faceplate techs
Opinion discarded.

>>106133985
Maybe you can get fox iems + adapter

>>106132669
How does it compare to the EW300? Because their graphs are the same.

>>106131056
The middle ear muscle reflex is triggered at lower volumes under higher than atmospheric acoustic impedance.

There isn't any actual research or data but it is theorised that there is a frequency dependent decrease in volume perception with increasing acoustic impedance caused by the pressure differential on either side of the eardrum reducing how much it flexes in response to the change in pressure on one side.

Anon from few threads ago asking about the truthear pure here.

I received mine and am testing it mainly with zts for electro and Frozen Starfall for female vocals. I'm comparing it with my tanchjim 4U in atmo, and I prefer the pure overall for now. I find it richer in sound and slightly more detailed in certain areas. I prefer the bass on the 4U for now, and the female vocals on the 4U are more detailed and prominent.

The pure is nevertheless more detailed and the sound is richer overall. It's fairly neutral and warm, but less warm than the 4U and a little darker. I don't find it muddy, contrary to what some people say, at least for now. This is my first day listening to it, so I'll test it more throughout the week. Maybe I prefer it for now because it's new.

I think I'll keep it and switch between it and the 4U depending on what I'm listening to.

However, I feel like it picks up more ground noise than the 4U. Is that normal ?

New Q1 Pro with soundstage faceplates just dropped

>>106135595
>However, I feel like it picks up more ground noise than the 4U. Is that normal ?
Is it louder at the same volume? It could just be more sensitive.

>>106135646
I think he pure is at base louder than the 4U so to test it I'm trying to tweak my PC so that the output sound is at the same level.

And yeh tested that way I hear more ground and floor noise with compared to my 4U or ath m50x. I think it's a question of the sensitivity of the iem and the quality of the sound equipment, because I only have a scarlet solo for sound.

It's not really a problem, but it's the first thing I noticed.

are there cheaper DAP's than in the general that work with android auto? I hate having to use my phone for music

I've just learned that FR graphs don't matter. For example, Fiio has a patented technology that allows the bass in their IEMs to sound 30-40% more powerful in the ear. So while the graph might not show the bass to be super powerful, it will surely sound that way to you.

Fiio FH3 has amazing bass.

I will only buy Fiio products from now on.

>>106136421
it matters, if you EQ any 1DD it'll sound the same when you volume match it
but FH3 is using BA so it's worse objectively

>>106136865
>FH3 is using BA so it's worse objectively
So do you think I should buy the FD15? It's a single DD. Have it in my cart right now. Hoping it could be the end game for me.

>>106134048
Original ZVX was also very good until they swapped the drivers for some garbage. You never know what you'll get, that's the problem.

>>106135485
Sorry can't tell ya, I've never owned the Ew300s, but if they share a similar midrange tuning and you want something brighter go for it.

>right ear of tangzu waner starting to have volume fluctuations throughout the day again
should I just get new ones again or are there new good ones
a friend is shilling me planar drivers

>>106137381
time for a new pos

>>106137381
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide#iem-maintenance-filters
>shilling me planar drivers
tell your retard friend to read this
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/myths-misconceptions/

>>106137625
Nta but how come you're linking the EQ guide myths? Genuinely asking because he didn't mention any buzzwords.

>>106137854
in most cases where someone is shilling drivers, they are falling into one or many traps, and especially with planars
driver type doesn't matter at all for 99% of consumers, there are other things to consider and worry about

EQzo, you lied to me. You didn't fix the IR.

anyone recommend some cheap IEMs with a decent cable? I busted the one on my waner SG. If im going to replace the cable might as well try something new also. Still trying to figure out my preferences.

>>106138265
truthear gate has the best stock cable

>>106138265
Fiios have the highest quality stock cables.

>>106138646
cap

>>106129401
Just wash yourself. I've been using the same two pairs for months and they still look like brand new.

>>106129401
try acetone next time

>>106134864
I don't think any tws adapter does noise canceling, and if it did it would be shit

>>106129520
Moondrop Bellsing 3, its drivers are paperclips and paper
also some of the Mangirths from Xenns

>>106130358
IEF Neutral =/= IEF Preference, the former is how Cringy hears a pair of flat-tuned speakers in front of him without perceiving IEMs as something that explicitly plays in his ears, whereas the latter has a certain amount of coloration he chose to break away from absolute neutrality as a good enough trade-off to make the sound more fun and less boring
that's just one example of how preference does not mean neutral unless someone actually prefers neutral, which is not something you see often as many people find neutral sound bland and lifeless
>>106130856
this
people may be impressed by how normal JM-1 sounds but in a long run they might prefer for example something V-shaped that adds a lot of impact, saturation, makes music viscerally satisfying and sounding so fun exactly because it's not neutral
that's not just why cheap V-shaped earphones always have been popular, but also kilobuck stuff like Elysian Anni remains a fan favorite since its inception

>>106139900
I know there is a hundred variables at play that get nitpicked, but A/Bing back and forth how my different pos handle just straight raw dogging JM-1, to me it's valuable information.
I've already long appreciated my pos for their individual character and if there's something like bass bloat, I'll fix it. You're right about v-shaped being easiest to market.
it's what KZ capitalized on hard. but the premium, solidifies the justification for spending so much to plenty of people able to dole out the cash...but that just means they're being marketed towards just as easily.
$20 1DD JM-1 when?

>>106138265
faaeal unbounded. cable will fit wanker

lol just use divinus velvets

>JM-1 with my arbitrary tilt is neutral
>JM-1 DF is neutral
>EQ to taste and whatever the result you've got is neutral
ok guys, neutral doesn't exist, it's fine

>>106131024
so it's true, epz is the tranny brand after all...

>>106131024
why is the usb c cable connected to the food tray
what the fuck

>>106140729
It's playing the hello kitty theme.

>>106131024
вкycнo и тoчкa

>>106140876
вкyc oчкa

>>106140575
Always has been, Trans rights are Human rights

Is putting more bucks to get the hiby r3 II worth it compared to a surfans f20 ?

>>106140923
it's all about sex, shut up. so depraved and you probably goon to it

Are You Prepared For Origin AT?

>>106141164
Sex with a racist fox...

>>106141306
can someone tell me just how amazing are the Kz castor PRO
all the fuckign indians are shilling it on youtube.

>>106141306
date ?

>>106141116
yes

>>106141341
Already stealth-revised, don't bother.

>>106141341
Protip: don't trust Indians ever
Rule for life actually

>>106141341
yes if you like BASS
if you don't like BASS buy something from OP

>>106139900
sigh
>that's just one example of how preference does not mean neutral unless someone actually prefers neutral
I dunno why you want to die on this hill so much. Toole was making listeners rate speakers for like a decade and neutrality/preference has a strong correlation every time. They are interchangeable.
What crinacle is doing with his targets and how he's naming them is largely irrelevant. He's just as audiophool as the rest of them despite literally knowing all the research and making IEMs himself lol
>which is not something you see often as many people find neutral sound bland and lifeless
again false
audiophools like to say that but in reality neutrality and preference are correlated
if something sounds "bland and lifeless" it means it doesn't sound natural or neutral to that specific listener
>people may be impressed by how normal JM-1 sounds but in a long run they might prefer for example something V-shaped that adds a lot of impact
this discussion is literally meaningless because we don't know FR at the eardrum. Headphones and IEMs add a lot of personal variables that you need to account for so talking about them in the same vein is kinda complicated. But in general there's no real reason to think research for speakers is not applicable but it gets muddier because the gigantic difference that can exist because of difference in HRTF and how iems/headphones interact with it.

>>106141445
why ? Is the sound really that better ?

>>106140170
>$20 1DD JM-1 when
tuning 1DD to jm-1 is complicated so probably never
unless obviously it's DSP and bunny already exists

>>106141561
you're wrong at the most fundamental level
no matter what scientists you cite and what dogma you come up with, preference means what someone prefers (hence the name) and it's as subjective as you can imagine the subjectivity itself - preference can be anything
if someone prefers neutral, someone else prefers V-shape and someone else prefers a target you find atrocious like nggar bass or 5k shrillgot, it's his preference by the very definition, he has every right to have one and wrapping any ideology around it is denying our very reality
neutral on the other hand is what sounds the most transparent and normal, depends on the personal HRTF (which is a set of physical/anatomical traits, not preferences) but can be averaged and the closest we have to its averaged form is JM-1

>>106141164
Uh yeah, wait, was I not supposed to?

>>106140536
they hurt my ears after several hours

>>106140561
JM-1 DF is not neutral
but yeah neutral in an absolute sense kidna doesn't exist. It should technically be flat but we don't hear flat speakers as flat so...

>>106141561
it depends, haven't read the speaker research in a while but there is probably some bounds of preference
>>106141711
no, preference for speakers was pretty tight (meaning little variation)
we know that there are clusters of preference with changes here and there for iems and headphones, but i do think that it is, at least a majority, probably due to hrtf differences and in-situ response.

>>106142088
there are bass and treble knobs in some speakers, amplituners often have a graphic EQ with a bunch of bands and it's there for a very good reason, besides no one prevents you from using PEQ on speakers
so to wrap it up, despite it not being as obvious as it seems, the correct formula is as follows:
preference = preference
which means: whatever you consider "preference" or whatever Toole or Olive made you thing "preference" is, in reality is just that, a preference, which means whatever someone prefers - and that means it can be anything
which brings us to the most shocking fact: humans are too fickle and complex to consider flat-tuned speakers the most pleasant sounding, or in other words, preferred - they might like it, but it's not guaranteed by any means

>>106142199
>humans are too fickle and complex to consider flat-tuned speakers the most pleasant sounding, or in other words, preferred - they might like it, but it's not guaranteed by any means
but that's been shown consistently by the research and what anon is pointing out
they initially did tests on what people considered neutral and what people preferred, and found near perfect correlation to the point of leaving neutrality behind in favor of preference for obvious reasons

>>106142309
and it was the wrong move
at this point Joel from JM-1 does the best job of them all along with the OGs from Etymotic, who never abandoned the path of neutrality

>>106141578
nearly all facets of being a "serious audio," device are better. hiby is an actual audio company. sufans/hifiwalker are random names slapped on oem mega-chink-tier devices with old hardware.

>>106142393
have you ever talked to joel? he's basing his whole work on what floyd toole did, just watch his video

>>106142634
Toole's research is invaluable and worth exploring by all means, but the way Olive extended it by developing his flawed methods (which the now-obsolete Shartman IE Target is the most obvious result of) should be discarded in its entirety - even the much more neutral Shartman OE is a mild V-shaped target and not there yet

>AliExpress store for xenns says estimated delivery for the xenn top pro is halloween
if I could buy that shit on Amazon prime like the tea pro I would have already kek

I have a conundrum
I am using system peq on the hiby r4 and you can do 10 bands up to -9/9 gain. I want to use the oratory1990 presets for a headphone which both uses all 10 bands ( so I can't layer to the same frequency) and and gain that goes below -9 to EQ. Is there a calculator I can use to smooth out the curve with q settings to achieve equivalency to his preset?

>>106142812
olive's method isn't flawed, but rather limited by the measurement rig used for iems
either way you would think that if the methodology and therefore the results were this flawed, later studies would eventually find something wrong but that never happened, the target continues to be highly rated

>>106142946
preference rating means ad populum, which means the only metric it can show is how popular the target is but never how correct it is
joel's simple trick to average all the ear anatomies has much more significance, as it shows results based on measurable physical attributes and their influence on the most established neutral target (DF), not on what most people prefer and the false assumption that it equals neutral
anyways, those two approaches are exclusive by nature as they differ drastically, which means only one of them is correct - and it's not olive's shitshow with his thin, weightless and shrill V-shaped target that everyone turned away from a few years ago

>>106142887
>oratory preset
his preset is just harman, and he corrects treble to adhere to the target using a 711, a very newbie mistake

>>106143069
Not sure what else to use as a starting point. I tweak it from there

>>106143046
>how popular the target is but never how correct it is
what is "correct"?
the answer is that unless we get down to individualization, there is no objective "correctness"
>as it shows results based on measurable physical attributes and their influence on the most established neutral target (DF), not on what most people prefer and the false assumption that it equals neutral
DF is not neutral, it is a reference curve. very important distinction, we know that perceived neutrality is tied to preference. reference curve here following the definition outlined in the eq guide
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/rigs-curves-targets/#preference-target-or-not
something similar was done with harman, they didn't just take a target out of nowhere but instead based it on in-situ measurements in a treated room
the studies are in gazette's archive
https://mega.nz/folder/cchSBaBQ#WwAguZeGclZkxzvwVNSryQ
>those two approaches are exclusive by nature as they differ drastically
not really, in fact they are more alike then different in their methodology

>>106143069
for headphones, the difference between 711 and 5128 is not that important
>he corrects treble to adhere to the target using a 711
he only corrects flaws that are consistent from unit to unit
if there's one person whose measurements you should trust, it's oratory's

>>106143128
>DF is not neutral
not in its raw form, but it's an important step to even start measuring what's neutral, even if technically it's merely an improvement on the real pioneering target that's the free field that highlighted all the anatomy-related gains, DF still is a worthy improvement for showing how smooth the sound should be, even if it's too bright
>perceived neutrality is tied to preference
not in a way you think it is
the measurements of how much darker the DF should be to become neutral indeed started with preference research as the starting point, but then it was correlated with acoustic properties of a treated room which are obviously different from the diffuse environment, from that point it's actually easy to measure how much adjusted the target should be to become transparent and neutral
the only thing that still belongs to the realm of preferences is the bass - we don't know the right amount bass to factually be neutral or if a tuck or a slope is the correct method - it's all uncharted territory and up to individuals to figure out what works for them until a reliable point of reference gets discovered
why is moondorp variations so respected among shartman pos? shartur memes aside, it's because its treble is not compliant with the shartman target, but rather the tilted DF, which makes it sound smooth, natural and correct

>>106143166
you're so clueless lmao
>for headphones, the difference between 711 and 5128 is not that important
it is, they have different acoustic impedance so the bass will differ on 5128 and they have a different pinna then the HpTF is different
>he only corrects flaws that are consistent from unit to unit
he eqs using a different pinna than the one harman had
he eqs treble peaks that will differ on your head
that is stupid
>if there's one person whose measurements you should trust, it's oratory's
ok? we're talking about the preset and how dumb eqing treble based on a preset is

>>106142570
Just ordered the HiBy R3Pro II. Hope it is money worth then :D

>>106141341
>all the fuckign indians are shilling it on youtube.
And you in your infinite wisdom thought this could be a sign of quality? That the poojeets were right?
Lol, lmao.

>>106141711
stop using audiophool terminology and start using your brains
>neutral on the other hand is what sounds the most transparent and normal, depends on the personal HRTF (which is a set of physical/anatomical traits, not preferences) but can be averaged and the closest we have to its averaged form is JM-1
you have no idea what you are talking about at all

>>106143406
yeah, and Harman® IE 2019 is the only objectively neutral target for IEMs, deemed true by the Scientific Consensus™
Sean Olive is our god and Science is our religion

>>106142393
>and it was the wrong move
Why? What's your argument here? That years of research are wrong because you have an opinion?

>>106143336
I was the guy who posted originally, and funny enough my issue wasn't with eqing treble, it was all the midbass and subbass. I tweaked the eq by ear for the treble beyond 6k.
>>106142887

>>106143272
right, i think we're caught up in the semantics for the DF part too much considering we mostly align on the rest
>we don't know the right amount bass to factually be neutral or if a tuck or a slope is the correct method
true, it comes down to the room and setup used, but i think that with further research we'll end up seeing little correlation/preference for one over the other.
imo the difference in audio production will overshadow the relatively small difference between tuck and slope. quantity wise we already know it varies depending on the listener
>>106143336
the bass will vary very little because we're dealing with headphones
>HpTF
they use the same pinna as type 3.3
>he eqs using a different pinna than the one harman had
meh, welti pinna or not the changes are high q enough that oratory will never touch those

>>106143433
targets do not matter

>>106143483
idk download his measurement on autoeq's github and try to manually eq yourself on some squig.link with the harman 2018, it's not that hard
>>106143603
>the bass will vary very little because we're dealing with headphones
false for closed back and semi-open headphones, and even for some open headphones the difference is quite substantial
>they use the same pinna as type 3.3
false, and it's a whole different material. Any delta makes it pretty clear, idk why you're making up stuff now
>meh, welti pinna or not the changes are high q enough that oratory will never touch those
any treble spike will be eqd with a high q filter hehe

>>106143731
>false for closed back and semi-open headphones
sure but in this case the difference in bass is overshadowed by both preference and in-situ response
>false, and it's a whole different material.
check the itu standard, the only difference is the termination for the new canal
>any treble spike will be eqd with a high q filter hehe
his presets have historically included little high q treble filters and he's opted for shelves both in his presets and recommendations to people when it comes to eq

>>106143834
>the only difference is the termination for the new canal
so it's different :))
also it's a different head, ear canal, and a different DF, hence a different HpTF... lmao what's your point little bro
>his presets have historically included little high q treble filters and he's opted for shelves both in his presets and recommendations to people when it comes to eq
he only mentions adjustingy gain, not adjusting frequency, and the high shelf is for air, not the 5-8k area hehe

All this nonsense babble from this and that.
All you need is the Tanchjim Nora, based on Tanchjim's cutting edge research at the forefront of the acoustic industry!
Now available in major retailers for only $99!

>>106144387
0 publications = 0 research

>>106144406
Published only for our employees as part of our IP protection policy.
And no, we are not hiring.

>>106144429
that's bullcrap and you know it

>>106144444
wasted quints

>>106144444
And you wonder why no one has cracked the code to techs yet!
Buy the Nora (available on Aliexpress, Shenzhenaudio) and hear our expertise.

>>106144387
make nozzle filters replacable again little beesh

>>106144507
You ask for a scratch resistant 4U, we give you the Bunny.
You ask for DSP cables for cheap, we give you the Fission.
You ask for an Origin with fixed nozzles, we give you the Nora.
You ask for a multi-driver IEM with only dynamics, we give you the Force.
You are somehow greedier than us, MY Queen will rage war on you.

>>106144479
bro you don't even have 5128 rig lmao
the fuck are you researching with 711 clone couplers?

>>106144765
Our stratosphere-level researchers are using the B&K 5128 for goals beyond your comprehension, such as isolation!

>5128
kys

>>106144787
why are infographics using 711 measurements then? don't give me that crap LOOOL all your pos are obviously tuned with 711

New subbrand from Tangzu, Harmonic Empire explore on new "cybernetic theming" compare to their usual tang dynasty iem.
Their first iem, the shaoqiao is a low budget 20$ iem feature a single DD with openback design, no more feature is shown yet so i'll update you when the shaoqiao go live

>>106144858
Awww, you are sooooo adorable!
As stated before, due to IP protection policies, we do not divulge such measurements, only ones with the B&K 4128.

>>106144875
looks straight ass, and another openback meme is going to give that one retard an aneurysm
nooo you can't heckin call your pos open back

>>106144875
just $20 for this sexy beast? daaaamn

>>106144875
might cop if it comes in green as well

>>106144896
they teased this color too, but no green

>>106144944
whats the date for release?

>>106143999
7khz confirmed for ear rape

Where's my cra successor?...

>>106145136

>>106145136
>Where's my cra successor?...
ZVX Pro

>>106145180
castor improved bass

https://youtu.be/5Nglo-S7LMM
Interesting. Looks like paul did like it. I dunno about all the audiophile mumbo jumbo he was talking about but I do kinda agree that bass is nice and controlled and treble is very smooth. It does still sound a bit too dull and lifeless for me higher volumes or not... but just adding 3-4 dB treble shelf really opens them up and makes them sound much more natural. Good separation, imaging and sound stage too.

Looking for something relatively inexpensive to store my digital library on. Is the R1 worth the price?

What IEM replaced the truthear nova in pricepoint and sound?

>>106146233

>>106146233
nova was never good in the first place

Alright which of you posted this

>>106145792
>castor improved bass
zvx pro is better

Hi niggas, can anyone recommend me pls:

- earphones/IEMs with active noise canceling
- budget: 10-60$
- to use in bus and train to filter out darkies being loud mostly
- best possible ANC technology and if possible very good sound definition
- bluetooth is a plus but honestly dont care

>>106147754
Hi black individual. I must inform you that ANC cable iems dont really exist. Your best option is to go with some random TWS, shilled ones are moondrops and whatnot, but I'd tell you to get something else

>>106146810
Guaranteed to drown out any talk of Epstein.

The bluekaka ecosystem is growing strong

I'm buying iem for the first time. are this good? or any similar? I'm looking only for usb c cable

>>106147869
just get TangZu Waner 2 USB C version nigga

>>106147802
>I must inform you that ANC cable iems dont really exist.
I had one made by Bose, but it stopped working after 6 months. Was pretty expensive too, like $250.

>>106147900
Yeah they "kinda" exist, but idk, iems already isolate noise pretty strongly, if you dont mind looking like a loon in public

>>106147869
• Tanchjim Bunny - $20

>>106147915
>if you dont mind looking like a loon in public
what do you mean? wearing IEMs make you look weird?

>>106138265
TRN Conch got red chain as stock cable

>>106148983
>>106148983
>>106148983

best buds or iems for side sleeper?