Key-Maxxing Edition

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>Keyboard recommendation template:
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V

>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys

>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)

>Learn about Cherry MX switches
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves

>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight

1st for booba U4T

>>106132217
i wonder if anyone's tried to make a buckling spring dactyl
CLACK CLACK CLACK

>>106132318
Not that I've heard of. IIRC there was that one ortho buckling spring board made by one of the people working at unicomp but it was a pain in the ass to get adjusted properly.

>>106132169 (OP)
What's the use case for mechanical keyboards? They're too loud

>Why yes, my keyboard does weigh 17lbs.
>Thock? Foam? I'm not up to date on modern dating apps, I prefer to spend my time using my keyboard.

>>106132735
you know there are silent ones right?but buckling springs would be great for:
- keeping annoying coworkers at bay with CLACK CLACK CLACK
- filtering new hires by introducing them to a room full of CLACK CLACK CLACK and gauging their reaction

>>106132735
Silent MX switches have been around for more than 10 years now, what rock do you live under?

>>106110583
Ended up using angled tweezers to hold the switch down but it was a helpful tip

>budget 200€
>Europe
>Silent switches but should feel great
>ANSI but ISO is fine too
>100% layout
>RGB optional, shouldn't be distracting while gaming
>Included wrist rest would be nice
>Previous: Redragon K582 RGB
I'm buying a new PC and I figured I might as well get a new keyboard too. What would you recommend? I prefer keyboards that are recently built (~1 year)

>>106132735
>doesn't have a keyboard that sounds like a kalashnikov
I pity you and your baby ears

how do mkb fags feel about the lalboard using the faggy magnetic shutter kind of deal for a switch?

>>106135068
Them making a datahand (replica) that isn't basically unobtanium is nice. Not personally interested though since I like having options for switches & keycaps.

>>106135089
So youre saying magnets photons n shiet is crap?

>>106135182
No.

fucks sake. that weird problem where the calculator key only worked while clicking in any program that was run with elevated permissions was caused by fucken microsoft mouse and keyboard center. removed that shit since i didn't need it anymore, and the calculator key is working again. far out.

122 key keyboards with cherry mx red switches?

are numpads totally useless nowadays? i can't imagine using them unless i'm doing data entry or some type of accounting work

>>106135725
i hardly ever use mine but i just like having it there. usually use it when i have to enter a sequence of numbers and i can't be fucked moving my hand over to the number row keys, or if i need to enter alt codes to make symbols™

>>106134294
the good silent switches are a bit expensive so doing a 100% you'll be spending a big chunk of that budget on just the switches. Lichix silents are good, Gateron Zero Degree silents seem good also

I'd do that with a Keychron V6 or whatever other full-size QMK board you can find for cheap, and then you can spend the rest on getting some keycaps

>included wrist rest on a full size
you're not going to find this on anything except gamer boards

Holy fuuaaarkkk
https://youtu.be/3lkPhf-S_08?si=vb-Owm4ycuBkYX3t

>>106135725
I use mine for alt codes all the time

>>106134294
Anything from Iqunix
Their little prince looks cuuuute

>>106135684
Look into G80s, they have a few 122 key models with reds

>>106135201
So what then? What if lalboard had clicky sounds and tactility or whatevs?

Where am I suppose to look on taobao. Are there any stores I should be looking at or do I just put in 械键盘 and browse around.

>>106132735
This complaint/reductive generalization is so old that it was used as a marketing point to promote cost-cutting rubber dome keyboards as a positive.

>>106135725
My problem is that they're handy to have (especially on remappable keyboards) but I hate how almost all keyboards with them have them on the right, since that's also where the mouse goes. And even as a lefty, I can't get along with using a mouse in my left hand. I've tried many times.

Thoughts on the Keychron V6 QMK Custom Mechanical Keyboard?

>>106135725
I use mine for 3d programs and video editing a lot, and for binding extra functions in video games. I also like having the convenience of volume and media controls for the right hand.

>>106132735
My keyboard with red Gateron switches is literally quieter than my membrane gaming keyboard. My only gripe is that the the clack clack clack going into my table feels like a more seismically significant event and thus the bass starts to fatigue me like it's some rave party.

>>106135725
I can't touch-type for shit on the number row desu the pad is just easier

>>106136395
oh cool, the gayest keyboard (and that's saying something)

>>106132217
bump

skelecygnus pair ftw

>like my $10 Dell membrane keyboard
>just want something like it that's tenkeyless so it fits easily in my luggage
>try to search for anything in this category
>only get mechanical keyboard results no matter what terms I use

When will it be in stock?

>>106139616
>/mkg/ - membrane keyboard general

>>106139627
Get it on Amazon

>Budget
Let's say a £200 maximum but it's fairly flexible desu.
>Location (continent at least)
Bongland
>Preferred switch type
Clicky
>Layout
UK ISO
>Form factor
100%

Main thing I want on top of all this is dedicated media and volume controls instead of the faggy Fn type ones. Basically I want picrel but with clicky switches instead. If this for some reason isn't doable in ISO I can learn to deal with ANSI instead.

>>106140075
I don't think we have Amazon here but I will check anyway

noticed alot of custom keyboards sold do not offer nordic layouts, is it difficult to adjust to ANSI?

Use case?

>>106142956
For typing with, duh.

>>106142956
steel case would be stronk but heavy. plastic lighter and cheaper but in any case i don't think using these with no case would be a good idea

luv akko penguins

>Budget
$600?
>Location (continent at least)
US
>Preferred switch type
Tactile but quietish
>Layout
Split
>Form factor
Ergo
>Backlight
Per key for layers, don't care about other RGB
>Previous/current keyboards
WASD Code with Cherry MX Clears. I've used it for like 7-8 years but want to go split with something that has macros and layers.

I'm about 1 day from purchasing a Moonlander. Convince me to buy a Corne or something and add my own keys instead. Must be available pre soldered with hotswappable switches. Needs to be hefty to not slide and usable for gaming.

>>106142956
So that I can feel my key presses and do them quickly

>>106132169 (OP)
What to you people think about key O Rings?
Snake oil?

>>106144715
They work at silencing the downstoke (assuming compatibility with whatever caps you're using). They're deprecated though since silent switches exist.

>>106135037
https://youtube.com/watch?v=um3T6xNa9jA
1:10 for Jeet shaker mode

>>106139616
Go on to ebay. Type keyboard. Sort by cheapest first

>>106142956
Grooming multiple kittens at once. Cherry MX linear is the only good 1 out of that list.

ATTENTION FOR NEWFAGS
IF YOU WANT A COMPACT KEYBOARD BUT STILL HAS A NUMPAD FOR SPREADSHEETS
MAKE SURE IT HAS FUNCTION ROWS
NUMPADS ARE USELESS IF YOU DON'T HAVE FUNCTION ROWS
I JUST REALIZED THIS 10 MONTHS LATE

>>106144715
it makes your keycap much higher and more wobbly on the stem. would not recommend.

>>106145383
104+ key chads just cannot stop winning

>>106145383
Reprogram your board so your numrow is now your F-row.

What's it cost to build out your own keyboard? I'm a writer by trade, and a woodworker by hobby, and I was thinking about building one out of some nice flamed maple I've got.

>>106147224
If you want the dirt cheapest way, you'd handwire a board. Then it'd just be the cost of switches, some wire, solder, and a microcontroller like a pro micro. Even with PCBs instead it's definitely possible to build a board under $100.

>>106132735
I WFH and don't mind the noise
>t. blue switches Chad

>>106144715
I put them on my old daskeyboard 4 that I use on my tertiary machine. They dampen the downstroke quite a bit if you have a tendency to bottom out. The DK4 is quite loud board compared to more modern gasket mounted ones, obnoxiously loud for office work.

>>106144730
>deprecated
I wouldn't say so, as old boards exist, and not all switches have a silent variant (and most silent variants differ quite a bit from the regular ones). They are quite niche though

>>106145392
>it makes your keycap much higher and more wobbly on the stem
If they do that, then you have installed them wrong. They should only limit maximum travel depth

Everything is too expensive and oos anyway.

>>106148135

>>106148250
oomers get oot

>>106139616
What kind of job anon

remove non-ANSI layouts
there's no reason for enter to take up 2 rows

>>106149944

>>106145383
function + 2

>>106132169 (OP)
I want a new keyboard that is basically the old school Corsair K95, in ISO-German layout, macro keys galore, and has no plastics (metal, ceramic, wood, all fine, but absolutely no plastics).

What are my options? No price limit, but it needs to be usable no matter what and not be some flimsy tinker toy (hardware and firmware).

>>106147224
First you've got to source a PCB, e.g. something like this is probably fine
https://geon.works/products/galatea-pcb?variant=42938584989859

I suspect the easiest thing to do next is just buy a plate for an existing board that works with this PCB and design your case around it. E.g. https://geon.works/products/frog-tkl-plate

You'd have to figure out what sort of threaded inserts and screws to get, etc. As for the woodworking required, I assume you're willing to figure that out yourself.

Redpill me on NiZ vs. Realforce
Is genuine Topre *really* worth the inconveniences and markup?

>>106153237
Topre is like typing on tiny toilet plungers.

>>106152768
>and has no plastics (metal, ceramic, wood, all fine, but absolutely no plastics).
Good luck with that.

>>106153237
Topre is a very unique and worthwhile experience. All rubber dome EC switches are regardless. If you're lucky, you can get a second-hand Realforce at a pretty good price. It's important to mention that the rubber domes age and become harder, and more tactile. 45g ends up feeling a lot more tactile, requiring more force to actuate, which I personally don't like (a lot of the people who are into it can barely type 100 WPM, pretty much hammering their keys, and going for even higher actuation force). Though, you can't really compare the actuation to a MX switch, it's quite different, "al dente" in a way - soft, but snappy.
Regarding Niz, their 35g variants feel linear with an almost nonexistent bump. Their 45g feels a lot more tactile, but way less tactile than a Topre. Niz is said to be scratchier while Topre is smoother.

If you don't mind the layout, consider getting this https://kbdfans.com/products/agar-ec-version

>>106152768
ibm model f. you will quickly forget the keys are plastic and constantly think they're steel because they're always cold to the touch and have the same texture as the keyboard case

>>106153237
>Is genuine Topre *really* worth the inconveniences and markup?
No. Absolutely not. Topre is like slightly more crisp tactile rubber dome. Buy a cheap model.

>UK ISO
>Bluetooth
>Low profile
Needed something portable that fits the above, should I just go in on the new nuphy or there anything better worth looking at?

how to make my keyboard lights turn off when monitor enters standby? arch btw

>>106143865
I can make you a dactyl for about half that budget. Runs QMK so you can program it however you want. Won't have LEDs or hotswap though.

;_;

>>106154956
Best modern F-like build is MODELFKEYBOARDS dot COM

I own two, one sealed in its unopened box!

>>106158106
>one sealed in its unopened box!
w-why

>>106153237
The honeymoon period with my Realforce RC1 is over and I still have no regrets

>>106159626
You have left honeymoon and entered sunken cost

>>106158106
You embody the very worst of the keyboard "hobby"

>>106153237
>keycult
Noice

>>106153237

>>106153237
cup rubber feels good to type on and as a hammer fisted ape-person I can anecdotally claim that I fatigue a lot less in general when typing on an ec board

that said, msrp offerings are a legitimate scam. 200-300 bones for a typically bad plastic case. every r2 and hhkb I've used felt 'crunchy' out of the box, for lack of a better descriptor.

buy a hhkb pro 2 used on ebay or something if you wanna give the whole thing a shot. if you hate yourself and have disregard for finances, build a custom ec board before you jump on anything box brand and new.

in terms of heaviness: domes feel a lot heavier than their rated force suggest, as mentioned by others. nothing definitive, but my 45g topre boards feel a lot closer to mx blacks than mx reds under the fingers.

if you have a wooting or venom he board, consider finding and buying raeds he switches. cub rubber he switches, no spring, 35g and close enough to non-topre ec feeling, at least to me.

I bought a Keychron V6-C1 about 2.5 years ago as my first (budget) mechanical keyboard, and the switches already seem to be failing. Double-tapping or not registering a press at all are VERY common (already had to fix 4 errors due to it by this point in my post).

Is pic related a good """budget""" (it still seems like a lot of money for PART of a keyboard to me) option to replace the current switches? I think the current ones are red Keychron K Pro's.
I want basic bitch stuff: linear and not too loud.

>>106162389
Random changswitches are better and half the price

>>106162517
>get the same but worse
Brilliant.

>>106162389
Or these, maybe?

>>106162517
Any specific ones you'd recommend?

>>106162389
You both a consumerist toy, retard. Before the wireless hotswap meme we had keyboards that lasted 10+ years and required zero consumerist investment, firmware tweaks, etc. to work. The sooner you consumerist trannies commit mass suicide and stop encouraging this bullshit, the better.
>>106162639
>popular, tested chink brands are dogshit
>so what about this literal who dogshit with 2 fake reviews bro?
Zoomer moment.

>>106162639
Step 1 is not looking on amazon

>>106162657
My last one was a cheap logitech membrane keyboard that was 20+ years old, so I don't feel bad about having "both" one a bit more expensive this time around. I got a deal on it where it was only ~€10 over the barebones (no switches/keys) version, so I'm not too disappointed about the switches failing.
I'm an early millennial I'm not sure about the whole "zoomer" thing.

>>106162798
I prefer it over aliexpress at least, which is listed in the OP! I didn't want to bother going through the dozens of different shops in the vendor list in the OP until I had a better idea of the brand/price I should be looking for, and Amazon is usually an okay place for that.

>>106162904
>I prefer it over aliexpress at least, which is listed in the OP! I didn't want to bother going through the dozens of different shops in the vendor list in the OP until I had a better idea of the brand/price I should be looking for, and Amazon is usually an okay place for that
i think in europe or whatver non-american country you are from, you may have less options. I don't think that anon was telling you to order from aliexpress, because that anon likely groups amazon, alibaba, and aliexpress together. I think that anon meant that you should search for yourself online some shops online that specialize in keyboards and keyboard accessories that might have something better than what you are finding on amazon.

to be honest, I know keycaps aren't switches but i noticed keycaps are insanely expensive if not bought on amazon, I wonder if its different for switches.

>>106162985
Yeah I'll definitely have a wider look around! Like I said, I find Amazon useful as a starting point to get an idea at first.
I actually just came across these:
https://www.keebwerk.com/product/tacit-switch-v2/
and wonder if they'd be a good option. The shall shop is shutting down so they're half off, and from googling a bit reviews seem pretty positive!

>>106162389
invest in a board that doesnt have wireless functionality (battery time bomb ewaste) and learn to either solder or set/forget if hotswap. modern functionalities centered around convenience often create problems beyond cheap chinese switches shitting themselves to death

buy and use cherries. lube them yourself if you cant stand spring ping. they dont feel great or sound like your favorite memetubers china-board but theyre built to last and arent prohibitively expensive

>>106163108
My keyboard isn't wireless, and for 110 keys the cherries seem pretty pricey!
Not sure what you mean by set/forget? I hadn't taken the switches out since I got it, but they started failing.

>>106163089
Also, apparently a friend bought one of those switch tester kits a while ago, so I guess I should test whether I even like tactile ones!

>>106163169
sorry, invest in a NEW board that doesnt have wireless functionality. cheap, hyper manufactured stuff like keychrons are built poorly in most aspects. you pay less up front for something almost guaranteed to stop working in one facet or another, whether its poor support or poor hardware. the poor switches you have now aren't the end of the shit log, is what I'm getting at

the extra 10-15 cents you spend per switch on the cherries is well worth the longevity increase by comparison to the really low end chinese offerings. here in the states, cherries can often be found cheaper than stuff like hmx, gateron, ttc, etc. don't use amazon, in case thats where you were getting your prices for

set/forget: be nice to hotswaps, especially on cheaper boards. dont swap in/out switches often, and try to be gentle when you do. solder is better for longevity overall in my experience even if it's a bigger pain to fix components

>>106163378
The thing is, I currently don't want to pay another €75 for a new keyboard (or even more! that's +- what I paid for my current one). Before this one, the most I'd paid was like €20-30, so even this "hyper manufactured" keyboard is much more expensive than any I'd used before it.
And as I'm not really "into" keyboards or anything, the switches just sat in it for 2 years before a few started failing. It's obvious that it's the switches failing though, as swapping a failing one with the one in a properly working key makes that one fail (either typing double letters or not registering the button press at all - often the same switch causing both issues at different times).

I'll look into the Cherry ones to see if I can get them for a reasonable price, and like I mentioned in >>106163219 maybe I ought to give one of those test boards a go!

>>106162904
You're too stupid to figure out keyboards you pig eyed nigger.
It's not just the switches that suck in this cheap consumerist piece of chink shit.
https://keychronsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/33474131840663-Fixing-Keyboard-Keys-That-Require-Extra-Force-or-Multiple-Presses
>If some keys on your Q Max or V Max keyboard require multiple presses or extra force to work, it is likely due to the plate being slightly bent or deformed over time, preventing the switch pins from making full contact with the PCB when pressed.
>chink boards are so comically bad that the plates act as crowbars prying switches off the pcb
hint in case you're that stupid: it's not just the max models

>>106163538
But swapping a working switch with a janky switch makes the jank follow the janky switch. If that link was my issue, wouldn't the jank stay with the... janky switch slot or whatever you want to call it?

>>106145264
None of those are TKL. I want the F1-F12 row but not a numpad and that's seems to be nearly nonexistent amongst membrane keyboards except for one SteelSeries one that's shaped kinda weird.
>>106139669
I figured if anyone had any suggestions, it'd be here...
>>106148879
The keyboard's not for work, it's for the SFFPC I take with me when I travel. I currently just take the cheap Dell keyboard but it barely fits in my carry-on and I'm worried it's gonna get messed up from jostling around in the overhead bin.

Part of why I like membranes is that they aren't specialized. I don't mind brown switches for typing but I hate gaming on them; conversely I absolutely cannot stand typing on linear switches. I've seen people say topre switches (and immitations thereof) are nice for people who like the typing profile of a membrane keyboard. The cheapest one I can find is $180 though, which is an expensive experiment.

>>106152768
>that is basically the old school Corsair K95
HOLY SHIT, I WANT ONE OF THESE SO BAD RIGHT NOW. That layout is fucking amazing.

If this thing existed with red switches I would buy one at once. Anything like this out there?

>look up the K95 to see if there are any used listings for it
>basically unobtanium
>the one in the picture looks nothing like the ones I see being sold
Which model specifically is this?

>>106154833
I assume you're getting at the switches? Those are plastic, so be it.
But I don't want to touch plastic at all. I was talking about the keycaps, the frame, the backside, etc.
>>106154956
It's not the feel. I think plastic feels pleasant to touch if done well. It's the fact that plastic decomposes via friction and the pores on your fingers take up the nano-plastics and the chemicals that are in the plastics.
>>106164367
>That layout is fucking amazing.
I know, right?
>If this thing existed with red switches I would buy one at once.
Blue please.
>Anything like this out there?
Seems not.

>>106164426
https://www.x-kom.pl/p/336054-klawiatura-przewodowa-corsair-k95-vengeance-cherry-mx-red-white-led.html#Opinie
>last available 4 years ago for only 500 PLN
FUUUUUUUCK
WHY DID I NOT GET INTO MECH KEYBOARDS SOONER

>>106154813
>>106154849
>>106155042
>>106159626
>>106162351
Appreciated, thanks anons.

>>106164601
Okay hold the fuck up I actually found a K95 of that type.
>>106164498
The only question is, are the switches something I can replace or change? For instance, if one of them has MX Brown or whatever and I want something else, cause I don't know.
>soldering as opposed to hot swap
Well shit, though I hear hot swapping causes reduced durability.

>>106163495
trust me when I say I identify heavily with not wanting to spend stupid money so I can't blame you for not wanting to run out and grab something right away. just trying to highlight that boards like yours are more likely to experience those kinds of issues down the line. I generally suggest just sticking with membrane keebs if 2 years of use and a cheap price tag sounds good. the lower end (30-60 usd range) fully involved mx boards tend to cut a LOT of corners and still manage to be a markup on the end of the provider. very poor value proposition as soon as you consider the fact that repair is almost non negotiable and the products themselves are designed to be replaced quickly and effectively as trends come and go.

best of luck finding a reasonable deal on the cherries. not sure what youre working with on your end price wise, but theyre definitely a more solid product than comparably priced chinese offerings.

Is $80 for a used K95 Vengeance a good deal?

>>106164967
Keyboards been used for 8 years btw. Might need to do some maintenance on it.

There is also the Redragon Vata K580 which seems like a cheaper alternative and crucially does have hot swappable keys I think, but has also been phased out of production.

>>106165033
Oh and no wrist rest, sadly.

>>106163108
>battery time bomb ewaste
You can usually just remove the battery and the keyboard still works.

>>106165354
why do you need one?

>>106165408
I make good use of it on other keyboards as it helps protect the skin on my wrists, especially cause on the K95 it was good material.

>>106165033
>Keyboards been used for 8 years
So all the switches are on the verge of dying and will need to be replaced.

Cherry switches are great, but 8 years is the point where they start to go.

>>106152768
>The 18 G-keys are programmable on the fly
Is this a deal breaker or not? Seems like the only downside of this keyboard besides the lack of hot swapping, despite it being quite an old design.

>>106165442
>I make good use of it on other keyboards as it helps protect the skin on my wrists, especially cause on the K95 it was good material.
ahh okay i see.
you could just hover type.
it doesn't hurt and your wrists won't either.
to each their own i guess.

>caring about what your keyboard sounds like without headphones/iems in
i swear to go this shit doesn;t make sense to me

>>106165461
>Cherry switches are great, but 8 years is the point where they start to go.
I was thinking of buying it and desoldering all 122 of them, and putting a whole set of Gateron G Pro Red switches on them instead if I can't get my hands on a bucket of newer MX Reds since they feel nice too. Keyboards like the K95 with that kind of full 122 key layout are just impossible to find these days. The keycaps might also not be the double shot PBT of today, but I can live without those. I find a lot of the harder plastic keycaps to be too sharp around the edges sometimes even if they have a nice coarse surface texture that is less slippery sometimes.
>>106165497
I work very long hours so that's not very practical. I mean I can live without it but it's still a nice to have.

Got my first mechanical keyboard with Nuphy and just gave it away that shit is trash. The keys are way too flat and its really easy to mistype.

Are all the other keyboards like this or is Nuphy just particularly bad at this?

okey its been 13 months now and I am still waiting for my group by order. every time I ask for updates all I get is "its already been shipped" or "a few more weeks". I am not even mad at this point since I have already accepted that my money is gone. I just want to see how this plays out. I dont even know if I am interested in the keyboard that I ordered.

>>106165839
>The keys are way too flat
So you bought a low profile, which nobody told you to do, and you decided you don't like it because it's low profile. And you didn't even try waiting long enough to get used to it.

>>106165845
>every time I ask for updates all I get is "its already been shipped"
How fast do you think this whole process is?

>>106165869
I know I said I just got it but I have actually had this for over... 8 months? I had a shitty logitech low profile before so I thought switching from a non mechanical low profile to a mechanical low profile would be a smooth transition.

Are the non low profile easier to type in?

>>106165086
This thing only seems to come in flavors of Outemu Blue or Brown switches, though if a keyboard is hot swappable does that I mean I straight up just put my own switch of choice in with no soldering needed?

>>106165915
>Are the non low profile easier to type in?
Not really. I don't know why you'd be having such a hard time given everything else you're saying.

By "keys are way too flat" do you mean they don't have a scoop in the keycap? I thought you meant they were too low and flat compared to, you know, regular keys.

>>106165887
I got "its been shipped" in february, so 6 months ago then another one in may which was "year the chinese guys told us its on its way". last week I got "2 more weeks "we hope"". they actually used hope in that sentance. so you tell me how long the whole process is supposed to take. I ordered&paid in june 2024 btw (300€) just for the alu case and a pcb. maybe thats totally normal you tell me since its my first time.

>>106165948
It does sound a little fishy. Who's the vendor?

>>106165957
keygem

>>106165943
Hmm, "keys are too flat" might have not been an accurate description.

With the Nuphy Air 75, I feel like the surface of the key combined with the slope of the key and also combined with the fact that the keys are so close to each other just make a pretty terrible typing experience?

To be more specific I feel like your fingers can smoothly slide of the slope of the surface of the key and then hit the adjacent key accidentally.

>>106165978
They're a big established vendor, I'd trust them. They can't give you the year+ of your life back but I'm sure they'll refund if it never arrives.

6 months is definitely not right, but it still could be coming if the factory was just way behind schedule and lied about the shipping timeline/etc. "We hope" doesn't sound good though lol

>>106164732
>The only question is, are the switches something I can replace or change? For instance, if one of them has MX Brown or whatever and I want something else, cause I don't know.
Are you talking about the K95?
>Well shit, though I hear hot swapping causes reduced durability.
I don't care about hot swapping switches. I want something built like a tank that will knock the teeth out of an home invader if I them with it and still be fully functional.
>>106165491
>>The 18 G-keys are programmable on the fly
>Is this a deal breaker or not?
Not at all. I'm using Linux, I just don't want to be left hanging by mystery code firmware that only runs on either Windows 11 oder Windows ME.
>Seems like the only downside of this keyboard besides the lack of hot swapping, despite it being quite an old design.
I do not see why it would be a downside? Also, I don't really care about hot swapping, see above.

Need recc:
>Budget: <$100
>Location (continent at least): USA
>Preferred switch type: SILENT
>Layout: pic related
>Form factor: pic related?
>Backlight: Absolutely not
>Previous/current keyboards: pic related
I bought pic related b/c it's silent. Mission accomplished.
But it's getting gummier over time; it's basically a membrane kb with plastic sliders over the top, and they're obv losing the grease they were assembled with.
It's a wireless w/ mouse combo.
Looking for something with better keyfeel, but it need to be close to silent. I suspect a wired version would be fine as it really never leaves the rolling pod that the computer is attached to, but it's a daily driver so the gumminess is starting to bother me.

>>106169654
if you like membrane try the cherry stream. scissor switches, feels like old chiclet laptop boards. nice and quiet, ridiculously cheap (wired version is 25 on amazon)

>>106132169 (OP)

Just told someone I can't do something because I'm busy on the weekend of that keyboard meetup. Now I have no choice but to go...

>>106170136
>keyboard meet up

if only emojis worked on here

>>106171719
Revolting

>>106171719
>dedicated uoh key

>>106170016
Thanks. Looks like that will do the job, I'll pick one up.

>>106171719
>RETRO VINTAGE TYPE WRITER

so does wired or wireless keyboard better?

>>106155154
the knob makes it feels like it would stuck on random stuff when you put it inside your bag

>>106132169 (OP)
is hall effect an upgrade from mechanical? sidegrade? is it a different type of switch altogether?
i only know of hall effect sticks for gamepads

>>106173344
durable, but absolutely overkill for the average person. good if you're a pro gamer that needs absolute. precision. because a million bucks is on the line or something.

my body heat rises when i type furiously, not just around the fingers?
lmao how is this possible?

>>106173264
Wired have better response times

>>106173344
Sidegrade mostly. MX style hall effect is kind of pointless.

>>106173372
Your tendons and ligaments are not exclusive to your hands

>>106170136
Given how tactile and personal keyboards are, meeting to try different ones out in person makes sense.

Are hot swapping switches a meme or do they allow you to prolong the service life of a keyboard without having to solder new switches just fine?

>>106174681
How long have you been in a coma? Hotswap is the default now. Using anything else is pure retardation.

>>106175375
>Using anything else is pure retardation.
How so? While hot-swap sockets have improved in durability, they still introduce a potential point of failure that soldered connections avoid. Is it really that inconvenient to take the extra time to solder if you're going to be changing switches only once every few years?

>>106175375
>How long have you been in a coma
At least 4-6 years, I think.

>>106174681
They are so-so. Cheap boards have poor hotswap durability and typically last around 3+ swaps before running into issues. Middle of the road and higher keyboards can hotswap more without failure. If you can use a board for 10 years and swap you will theoretically get another 10 while wireds can't. But the truth is people get hotswaps because they can't solder and want to use a very specific switch the keyboard does not come with

>>106170136
>>106171701
I was wondering who goes to this ridiculous meetings when I saw this:
geekhack
index.php?topic=125508.0
>>106173540
>playing with other people's keeby keeb knobs and switches
Holy shit, keeby keebpilled.

>>106173264
Wired doesn't contain aliexpress batteries.

>>106173363
When will you consumerist fags learn that the durability of these keyboards has little to do with meme switches and their advertised theoretical durability. If that were true then
>100 million keypresses
would actually be relevant. Let's do some simple math. Assume that:
>your typing speed is 100 wpm
>the average word is 5 characters
>you type for 8 hours a day, no breaks
>your switches are rated for 100m clicks
>your keyboard has 104 keys
>assume all keys pressed equally for simplicity
(104 * 100000000) / (100 * 5 * 60 * 8 * 365) = 118 years

if they're rated for 50m then you halve that to 59 years
if you only use letters, shift and space then:
(28 * 100000000) / (100 * 5 * 60 * 8 * 365) = 32 years
If there's something wrong with you and you press only one key every day for 8 hours a day, no breaks, at 100 wpm:
(100000000) / (100 * 5 * 60 * 8 * 365) = 1.14 years

>>106176123
>the truth is people get hotswaps because they can't solder and want to use a very specific switch the keyboard does not come with
I don't know how to and can't solder but I'm willing to learn it to get a very specific keyboard I really like some new switches. Otherwise the hot swap keyboard I'd get would still need to be swapped out for the switches I want.

What are some legit place to buy switches from in Europe? I want to get my hands on a bucket of Cherry MX Red clones from Gateron but I don't know which sellers I can trust.
>t. Pole

>>106174681
hot swap makes it easier to change your mind and try something different—different switches, different plates, different foam configurations, etc. Being able to rapidly reconfigure your keyboard allows you to figure out what you want much faster than you could with a solder PCB. For this reason it's a great feature for anyone who isn't a keyboard veteran. There are some very small downsides.

>>106176593
I would be so psyched to run into TaehaTypes at a keyboard meet

He taught me so much

>>106175375
>he wants to hear that subtle hotswap socket grinding noise
couldn't be me. I'm solder all the way

>>106176123
Most of them (like Kailh sockets) are held onto the PCB by nothing but solder pads; solder shouldn't be used to secure two objects mechanically, and chinks know that and they know that you don't. And your sockets may be rated at 5-100 cycles, but they're a meme just like the multitude of "100m" keystroke Cherry clones and the fact that your zoomer keyboard contains a ticking time bomb that may or may not explode in 1-2 years.

tldr: consumerist trash that people buy because they see "6 gorillion keystrokes" and believe it

>>106177035
benefits: batshit insane consumerist garbage from faggots who are too dumb and/or lack the time to do proper research on products
downsides: dodgy connection and instability for an object that is subjected to thousands of vibrations and small shocks every day, random failure, etc.

>>106173540
I'm hoping to see what KAP keycaps look/feel/sound like, and Hammerworks CRP; as well as try a Geon board or two. I'd like to get a little closer to knowing what I'm talking about in these threads

Also really hoping to see some vintage stuff, model Fs, etc, because I've never tried all that old kino

Also I want to show off my V6 Max mod... hopefully someone cares enough to have a look at it

>>106177088
>asian guy with jars full of keyboard switches

>>106176846
aliexpress

>>106165948
China can slow boat anything to anywhere in the world in 6 weeks. Much longer than that, they never shipped it, or it's lost.
There is no shipping method that takes a year.

>>106177162
The discovery that recoloring a switch means you can sell retards the same thing dozens of times over has done so much damage

>>106175375
put me back in the coma. i fucking hate everything now. all your hotswaps, knobs, misaligned arrow keys, 41% shit, self-disconnecting cables, lights, 3dprinted orthoshit, oh look my keyboard looks like a power drill or a cookie, fuck literally all of it and all of you.

>>106178933
Nobody is forcing you to buy any of that. Look on the bright side - everything is a lot cheaper now.

>>106176846
I've ordered from maxgaming.com and candykeys.com, and both were fine. Studd took forever to arrive from ck though. Aliexpress works too

>>106176811
ooo math formatting, kewl

>>106132169 (OP)
It's so beautiful

i bought a keychron q6 max recently and it feels amazing to type on and it's built like a tank. while looking some stuff up about it i found a lot of posts from people saying their keys began chattering or not working after a few months of use and keychron is doing little to address the issue.
i bought mine from amazon but i'm kind of scared i'm going to be stuck with a $200 paper weight in a few months. should i just return it now?

>>106181941
Newfag detected.

>>106182212
https://keychronsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/33474131840663-Fixing-Keyboard-Keys-That-Require-Extra-Force-or-Multiple-Presses

>>106181670
>everything is a lot cheaper now.
consumerism isn't cheaper

>>106183082
ok? i hope newfags aren't your kryptonite

>>106176846
If ur in Poland you should be able to buy Gateron Red switches from some retailers like RTV Euro AGD directly

Is it easy to get back to 100% keyboard after not touching any for the latest 10 years or so?
Ordered both monsgeek m5 and monsgeek m1 with a huge discount, kinda want to build both, but realistically don't know how uncomfortable I'm gonna be with full size keyboard nowadays. Should I cancel m5 order and only keep m1? Got both boards like under 70$ for each each, so cancelling now feels like a waste cause prices went up...

>>106185088
What are you used to? TKL?

I don't think it's that hard to get used to full size again. But depends how big your mouse area is. I have a hard time accommodating my full-size because my huge mousepad can't move over any

>>106185201
>What are you used to? TKL?
Tkl for about 4 years, then 2 years of 60%, then 4 more years of tkl board.
> mouse pad
Yeah that's my concern rn, i have 33x26 cm talongames mouse pad now and I only use very small area of it to begin with, but with this mousepad I won't be able to place fullsize board comfortably (probably). I think switching to a smaller mousepad is going to solve my issue then.

God, I hate 2-sided pcbs and black pcbs so much! Every time I replace faulty switch I damage soldering joints connecting rows because switch sits so tight in a plate.

>>106187949
Git gud. Heat socket, add solder, flow solder, suck solder.

>>106187949
Sounds like you're keeping heat on the pads for too long. If you desolder things more than once in a blue moon then a hakko FR301 would make it an absolute breeze.

>>106188005
>>106188019
Switch sits too tight in the plate. I need to apply enough pressure to pull it out while I heat up both pins
Anyways it can be easily repaired and hidden.

>>106188245
Use a solder sucker. Do one at a time.
If you want to convert it to hotswap you can use a 1.5mm drill bit to make the sockets a little bigger and solder in these https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005007348633397.html

>>106188630
Anon, it doesn't work. It doesn't suck all solder from opposite side of board and It is literally faster to damage this god damned pin and connect row using piece of wire than waste so much time dancing around it. Eventually it will look like hand-wired.

Also I ordered a bottle of fresh isopropil (I hope this one will not stink like a poo) to bathe all my kailh creams because a lube on sliders turned into black goo.
I disassembled few of them and they have better quality than gayterons btw. Kek, even cheaper TTC have better quality of contacts.

>>106181670
>everything is a lot cheaper now
i don't care that the shit i hate is cheap. the stuff that i like has been getting more expensive. if there's an upside, it's that the value of the stuff i own holds up over time.

Hall effect split ergos literally when
Isn't the difference literally just in the pcb

Eurofag here, Is there someone I can pay to make custom keycaps for my keyboard? Mine is pretty old so it uses ABS keycaps and they're pretty worn out, I'd really like to have double shot PBT keycaps like on newer mechanical keyboards.

Talk me out of buying the K95 Vengeance please. I've been thinking about it over the last day.

>>106189914
>gaymer kb
>no HE
what's the point

>>106190002
>gaymer kb
122 key layout with all the extra buttons you can eat, minimalist look, standard anti-ghosting, n-key rollover features as 11 years later, and red switches. Why is this exclusively "gamer now" as opposed to just not being standard?
>not HE
What for? Red switches are good enough for most, especially if you want to do work as opposed to just high performance games (I like both). I mean it is nice but also stupidly hard to obtain.

is there a key press tracker I can use somewhere to know how many times I've been pressing my keyboard every day

>>106162389
I have this issue on a new Keychron Q2 Max running the newest firmware. Their support is garbage and demands you proving the fault by filming the issue. I feel like a retard for buying this POS

>>106190002
>muh HE
Holy fuck, just buy an ad already for this snake oil meme, fag.
You don't need HE for gayming, it has absolutely no practical, real world benefit other than making someone huff their own farts for wasting their money.

>>106165923
Yes, you just need to use a switch puller to take them out. I will say I've had a hell of a time pulling switches out of one Redragon board I tried out for a few days, and the Outemu switches they're supplied with are made cheaply to say the least, especially their housings. You can easily deform/crack the plastic on them.
I also had that issue on my Wooting Two HE, though. Starting to think it might be more of an issue for steel switch plates.

>>106177458
>There is no shipping method that takes a year.
I know that and I know that they know that. They probably even know that I know that. I have written off my money I just want to see how everything plays out.

>>106190002
>gaymer kb
Nah, the successor in the K95 Platinum XT is the one that looks like a gaymer toy.

>buying usb 2.0 keyboards in 2025
ishygddt

>>106145383
ATTENTION FOR NEWFAGS

TODAY I REALIZED HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE A KEYBOARD THAT CAN BE PAIRED WITH MULTIPLE DEVICE

I CHEATED ON A CODING INTERVIEW TODAY BY PLACING MY PHONE ON A STAND IN FRONT OF MY LAPTOP AND HONESTLY IT FEELS FUCKING TRICKY TRYING TO TYPE THE QUESTION ON THAT SMALL SCREEN, GOING BACK TO THE KEYBOARD, AND DISRUPTS MY TEMPO AGAIN AND AGAIN. MY FINGERS ARE FUCKING SHAKING BUT LUCKILY CHATGPT GOT MY ASS

That being said, I'm open for suggestion.

>>106190127
The point is that you're salivating over what's essentially the most generic babby entry level keyboard on the damn planet that could've been made within the last 15 years
Not ergonomic, not wireless and the most generic switches on the planet

>>106191086
>essentially the most generic babby entry level keyboard on the damn planet
>literally no other keyboards like it on the current market
>advocates for wireless functionality for some reason (every keyboard has this)
what did he mean by this

>>106191536
is stapling extra buttons on a 2015 keyboard enough to make you sõypog?
also no, that thing isn't wireless

>>106191086
>entry level keyboard
This was a $110-$250 flagship product in its day with an unprecedented number of keys (all of them mechanical) that have been unmatched since but yeah, "entry level" I guess. This is kind of a moot point when even your bargain bin $50 "keebs" now offer double-shot PBT keycaps, individually programmable keys and lights with the fastest linear switches around so just what is the point then?
>Not ergonomic
The key gradient and wrist rest seem pretty standard in terms of ergonomic, unless you mean something autistic.
>not wireless
Huh? Who needs this for a keyboard?
>the most generic switches on the planet
This is a problem why exactly? Cherry MX Red switches have been the gold standard for ages, and their dime a dozen clones even improve upon them. What more could you want in terms of speed, quietness, and predictability for a reasonable price? They just work.

>>106191585
go buy this instead then if 2015 is too old for you
still not sure why you'd need wireless

>>106191610
also not pictueed: paying 10x as much

>>106190886
Why does USB interface matter? It's not going to make your keyboard any faster now is it? It just increases bandwidth.

>>106191589
yeah, was
and then we figured out better key switch technologies
and how to make it so that it actually fits your fingers
and how to make wireless not shit itself
and this keyboard has none of that
you'd be stupid to just settle for an entry level board

I want to build a numpad + macro pad combo to learn PCB design and I need the heaviest tactile and clicky switches in the world.
My local shop seems to have a lot of stock from different brands but is a huge pain in the ass to search since you have to click on every article to see the specs.
Is there a list somewhere that would allow me to sort switches by actuation strength? Or should I just get something cheap and switch the springs?

>>106192121
https://thegamingsetup.com/gaming-keyboard/buying-guides/keyboard-switch-chart-table

I really like typing on Apple keyboards, but they have a bunch of quirks that make them annoying to use on Windows/Linux. Also I want tenkeyless, and Apple only makes them in full size or with tiny cramped arrow keys.
Wish list:
>apple-style keys (which I think means scissor mechanism)
>ISO layout
>TKL, full size arrow keys are a must
>function keys grouped into blocks of 4

>>106192002
>and then we figured out better key switch technologies
>and how to make it so that it actually fits your fingers
>and how to make wireless not shit itself
>and this keyboard has none of that
Great, may I see an example of this? You still haven't provided a counter-example.

>>106192255
literally any hall effect keyboard
literally any dactyl
literally any recent wireless keyboard
they are all direct upgrades to this boring old unremarkable piece of shit

>>106192361
>literally any hall effect keyboard
>literally any dactyl
>literally any recent wireless keyboard
Let's play devil's advocate for a moment and assume that you are right, and that a workstation or power *needs* these things. What out of those options do you propose that manages to feature 104-122 keys, notwithstanding the possibility of macro or media and volume keys, within that same $70-$100something price point?

>>106192623
there aren't any
saving money on something you use constantly for years is a horrible recipe for life

>>106192688
>saving money on something you use constantly for years is a horrible recipe for life
Well, let's up the price floor to $250 at least for the search window because clearly we want a one-size fits all endgame keyboard good for productivity, comfort, and gaymes alike. What then?

At some point if you want to be really prodigal you'd think there would be a contractor out there willing to let you customize a keyboard with those exact parameters. Otherwise you might have to go overkill like with >>106191610 however awesome it is.
>saving money on something you use constantly for years
And yet, people buy membrane "gaming" keyboards or whatever that cost more than mechanicals while some of them also advertise themselves as mechanical (cough Logitech cough).

>>106192361
>they are all direct upgrades to this boring old unremarkable piece of shit
The Corsair K95 Platinum XT is the successor to the K95 Vengeance and is meant to be just that. Too bad that they also stripped out a whole bunch of keys and buttons, while also making it look like a toy.

>>106192742
Keychron K10 HE

>>106192772
I've always wondered do people actually use those multimedia keys

>>106192801
Once you have pause, stop, next, previous, mute, volume buttons for the right hand on your keyboard, you can never go back.

Besides, those extra programmable macros on the left side are going to be useful if you're doing 3d applications a lot, or if you have games that can take advantage of them. Then there are things more tailored to office users, which is a staple of Logitech's membrane offerings.

>>106192792
>Keychron K10 HE
Now, that's not too hard to say is it? I can definitely respect this promising looking choice given the price point (assuming it is the actual price given that models such as the K10 Max H1 Super Red Switch HotSwap appear in retailers at similar if not identical prices) and use of Gateron switches, even if it does rely on a function layer for additional controls (which can be done on 100% keyboards at less than half the price with bog standard Gateron Red switches).

y/n

>>106192623
>literally any dactyl
only problem with dactyl is that they usually have no numpad. nav cluster, or dedicated media keys and are rare in stores as opposed to DIY kits
I say that as someone who greatly values vertical mice
>>106192998
awesome, but also tends to be stupidly expensive and hard to obtain and takes up USB ports

>>106192832
Theres a mouse right there

How many years old is the K10 HE? I could have used this shit in my league races at least since 2020 instead of contending with a barely usable Logitech fake-mechanical keyboard that's actually membrane. Even red switches would be light years ahead. Holy fuck.

ou don’t need a Hall Effect, dactyl, or wireless keyboard to have a modern, performant, and durable setup
projecting niche priorities as universal truth is a common fallacy for enthusiast mindsets
If you're already happy with Gateron Reds and not chasing ultra-competitive edge cases, this isn’t a must-have but it is a very very nice thing to have

should I buy this? y/n

>>106193207
wot dis

This is probably a retarded question, but are there lower profile keyboards with regular ass keys on them that aren't made to be laptop keys? Where the base itself isn't so tall?

I'm using the original GMMK 1 keyboard I got years ago on some insane sale for like 80% off and it has served me very well, but I'm looking to replace it. Every keyboard I seem to find right now all sit higher and have crazy angles on them that more or less require a wrist rest, which I do not want. Even the latest GMMK is quite a bit taller.

I also have no idea what I'm talking about. But all these boards look so goddamn chunky.

>>106193251
keycap set

If I have an old keyboard using stock ABS keycaps that fit onto MX switches, can I buy any PBT keycap set I want and swap them out for those?

>>106193773
As long as the layout is standard. Some brands (e.g. Corsair) didn't use standard layout, instead opting for unusual stuff like 6u spacebar. Some sets will cover that but many won't.

>>106194051
>Some brands (e.g. Corsair) didn't use standard layout, instead opting for unusual stuff like 6u spacebar.
I don't think that applies to their flagship models like the K100, K95, K70, and so forth? Even on the oldest?

>>106193006
Just stuff all that under fn

>>106194221
NTA but the default 5x7 keymap (which is basically my keymap from the start) does that.
https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/blob/master/keyboards/handwired/dactyl_manuform/5x7/keymaps/default/keymap.c

>>106194221
>Just stuff all that under fn
XD

>>106193207
Probably not, considering it seems to be sold out.

>>106194438
NTA but the group buy hasn't even started yet.

>>106194581
Well shit. I wish we had more keycap sets that came with Win95 Start keycaps.

>>106194592
Just wait a few more weeks for it to start, then who knows how many months after that for it to get delivered. The granite set always does have the win95 key in at least one of its kits IIRC.

>>106194071
>k95
6.5u spacebar (my bad, I said 6u but it's actually weirder than that)
>K100
this appears to be standard
>k70
seems to depend when it was made. Newer ones look normal, older ones have the weird Corsair bottom row with 6.5u spacebar.

>>106194662
>6.5u spacebar
Even ye olde K95 Vengeance?

Have there been improvements to things like the logic board on newer mechanical keyboards that use things like red switches since 2013? Or is there no difference in input lag and things like that?

>>106193182
>modern, performant, and durable setup
that doesn't exist, zoomer babbies are too obsessed with consumerism
>gateron
garbage meme switch
>>106192901
>keychron in 2025
garbage

>>106192792
why don't you keychron chinks kill yourselves? you're almost as annoying as the dactyl shill fag
>>106191086
>Not ergonomic,
meme
>not wireless
meme, not having chink bombs near your hands is better
>and the most generic switches on the planet
consumerist niggerbabble from a mentally ill zoomer
I patiently await your inevitable suicide.

>>106195133
>garbage meme switch
Settle down jerk store grunt, let's hear your linear switch of choice

>>106195164
You were raised by a single mother.
>>106194889
None, modern switches are dogshit and everything inside your "keeb" is designed to chink you in 6 gorillion different ways because consumerist are incapable of voting with their wallets well. All you need to do to chink/jew a niggerbrain is to give your "keeb" a cheap aluminum case, to give the illusion of quality. Even hotswap is a delusional consumerist meme because of how unreliable it and modern switches are

>>106195157
No one gives a shit about your poverty k120 schizo

>>106195190
I have a 10 year old Filco and made you cry. Now I'm gonna make you moan and leave you sore, begging for more.

>>106195181
>You were raised by a single mother
Never heard of that switch before

>>106195200
That's because it's not a switch. It's your life.

>>106195208
I didn't ask for your theories about people's lives, I want to know what you don't consider a garbage meme switch compared to the Gateron
It's not that hard to not be schizo

>>106195199
why the fuck are you here if you haven't bought a keyboard in 10 years

>>106195220
Calm down before you troon out.
>>106195221
>if you haven't done x in a while, you will never do it again
Brilliant niggerbrain tales straight from the Detroit sewers. Nigger, I want to buy a new "keeb", and I want one that doesn't have tranny zoomer memes like creamy thocc, wireless chink bombs and such.

>>106195236
>Calm down before you troon out
Anon I politely asked for your linear switch of choice but you still haven't given an answer after like 4 (You)s
I intend to find out eventually

>>106195236
>new
is that why you're schizophrenically dismissing their advancements?
you want an outdated piece of shit in a new shell

>>106195253
Why did your mother spread her legs for a nigger, bro? Your muttification is a disaster for the human species (and for /g/).

Gayest keyboard size?

>>106195256
>wireless + chink bomb
>knobs
>tranny layouts
>hotswap instead of solder
>meme switches
>illusion of quality (aluminum case, ceramic keycaps made from unsold toilets in India)
Those aren't advancements you niggersouled peon.

I want a 118%, 120%, 130%, whatever you want to call it keyboard that isn't an outdated piece of shit in a new shell.

But as it is right now, it is unsurprising why some would instead choose to simply extensively refurbish and modify something like the K95 with new soldered switches, new pbt keycaps, new lights, foam, and the least one can do to keep it going. The logic board somehow failing is the only thing that will be your main concern, that and the software compatibility for the programmable keys.

>>106195289
>meme meme meme meme AAAAAAAAA
buy the cheapest fifty bucks redragon and leave
you don't want advice, you want to be jerked off over being a stuck up faggot

>>106195283
anything less than 100% or 96%

>>106195267
Are you going to name your choices for something that isn't a "garbage meme switch" yet? I don't have all night

>>106195319
>don't want advice
bad advice* you niggersouled faggot maggot

>>106195334
are you busy? does your nigger daddy want to dip his dick into your nutella again? okay then

>>106195335
>if you don't endorse my retarded desire to stay frozen in time it's bad advice

>>106195351
>old is bad
This isn't an argument, nigger. That's you falling for consumerist fads.
I gave you arguments.
>wireless bad because of chink bombs
>sockets bad because bad connection
>switches bad because die quickly and chattering
>knobs bad because gay
>rgb bad because gay
>tranny layout bad because missing useful keys
You can't because you're a nigger demon's spawn.

>>106194810
Look at the pictures. You'll see
>1.5u ctrl, 1u winkey, 1.25u alt, spacebar, 1.25u alt, 1u winkey, 1u menu key, 1.5u ctrl
1.5 + 1.5 + 1.25 + 1.25 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 8.5. A full bottom row is 15 units wide. 15 - 8.5 = 6.5

>>106195348
Mechanical keyboards?

>Delivers a bright, crisp clicky sound with satisfying tactile feedback for an engaging typing experience.
Milktooth guy writes up a full "impression" on every stupid switch he sells but can't be bothered to actually mention what type of click mechanism it uses. Like... come on lol

Am I supposed to just assume no mention means click jacket?

>>106195369
>switches bad because die quickly and chattering
So true. Keyboards shouldn't have switches.

>>106195369
and none of them hold water
old is made redundant by the presence of new and better
you clearly don't want new and are so stuck up that you know and dismiss everything without having experienced it so why are you here? you could buy your "dream" keyboard with your eyes closed, that's entry level shit

Oh lovely, we have two autism beams going at it in this thread now

>>106195422
>>106195402
No argument. Stop crying, tranny. Suicide is better than crying, remember that.
>>106195384
Consooming unbranded chink switches you bought in bulk off ali isn't "mechanical keyboards" either.

>>106195446
I ask again, why are you being authoritative if you haven't bought a keyboard in 10 years?
Why do you need help if you know what you want already?
How would your mom react if she saw you obsessively call everyone a tranny?

>>106195446
>Consooming unbranded chink switches you bought in bulk off ali isn't "mechanical keyboards" either.
COME ON NIGGER JUST TELL ME WHAT YOUR SWITCHES OF CHOICE ARE ALREADY HOW FUCKING HARD IT IS LOL

>>106195479
>the quality of having consumed aliexpress dogshit recently gives you a temporary [Knowledgeable in Keyboards] buff
The utter state of your poor little mind, nigger. Not an argument either.

>Why do you need help if you know what you want already?
Because every company is chinking and jewish you fatherless trash nowadays and if it's impossible to not get chinked/jewed if you don't check reviews and talk to (sane) people.

>>106193182
I don't know what gay shit is currently happening in this thread but I just wanted to say this anon speaks the truth

>>106195394
>delivers <insane consumerist niggerbabble>
how about you deliver a keyboard that doesn't look like a looney troon's wet dream and doesn't die in less than 10 years?

>>106195517
And the only sane person in your mind is apparently you, with your severely outdated understanding of keyboards
You don't want advice, you want a yesman
A shitty entry level redragon with red switches is fifty bucks
That's so cheap it shouldn't even need deliberation, even you can afford that despite the mental illness related unemployment you have going on

>>106195589
>outdated
>fucking jeet tier brands like redragon
again, not an argument
you're clearly mentally ill and incapable of logical reasoning
go lube some knobs nigger

>>106195615
You're clearly mentally ill if you can go on a tirade splitting hairs over what keyboard PCB is "chinkier"
protip retard, they all are

I honestly can't tell what's worse. Retarded yellow fever micropenis cumbrains who fuck disgusting flat faced jaundiced mongoloids and make them queef out future 4chan janitor tier mystery meat genetic freaks who ban me for racism after I abuse them telepathically through the internet into suicidal ideation, or the ability of the average zoomer to vote with his wallet and his eternal struggle to not destroy entire markets of peripherals by turning them into insane chink word salad branded nigger dogshit memes

>>106195646
>they all are
yes there is clearly no difference between a filco from 10 years ago and a royal kludge (pic) or (literally) ZJFKSDYX in the mind of the abused dog

Pic rel is an old wired Ducky. It blew up because of the friction generated by an unlubed uncreamy unthoccy switch.

>>106195679
That's a battery retard, thanks for proving the point
There's no difference in the PCBs, chinesium and "high end" keyboards get them from the same factories and they cost almost nothing

>>106195735
Your point being that you can have wireless functionality in a device without modifying its PCB? Sounds insane.
>There's no difference in the PCBs, chinesium and "high end" keyboards get them from the same factories and they cost almost nothing
Congratulations, you found out that little yellow men make most of the shit you use in 2025.
Not all factories and designs are the same, retard. And there's also the matter of QC, which these chinks have a serious problem with.

>>106195708
>unlubed uncreamy unthoccy switch.
kys nigger

>>106195761
The outdated entry level keyboard you want is so simple it doesn't even fucking need quality control
So if you know that you don't want Chinese sounding brands already then you know exactly what you're looking for and there's no reason for you not to fuck off and follow your dreams

>>106152768
>want old Corsair

No you dont.

>>106195787
>QC isn't important when you buy cheap/simple stuff
Nigger filth, you need QC, a sane design and high quality materials even in simple things. I know your tiny niggerbrain is so small and over reliant on reductionism and consumerism that you start foaming at the mouth when you have to think of more than 2 things but even something as basic as a cheap screw that strips or shatters or a faulty overcharge circuit for the battery can result in you getting CHINKED. It's precisely because of SUBHUMAN NIGGER SPAWN like you that this world is full of cheap shit that dies catastrophically 1 nanosecond after the warranty

>>106192801
Yes
>>106192832
The one thing that gaymer software (usually) does right is having much better macro functionality built in.
I was surprised to find out that even Wooting's macros suck ass, specifically they don't even have options to repeat macros while the key is held down or toggling them on/off. Had to rebind that to my extra mouse buttons instead.
An embarrassing display from the newest gaymer snake oil boards, to say the least.

>>106195848
Then go buy an expensive keyboard with the switches you want?
Why are you still here?

>>106195905
Because even those keyboards have dubious QC (see Ducky) and have started to cheap out on things because people like you think "it doesn't matter, it's a PCB dude". Meanwhile chinks are so sadistic they invent keyboard plates that act as prybars, tearing off your switches:
https://keychronsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/33474131840663-Fixing-Keyboard-Keys-That-Require-Extra-Force-or-Multiple-Presses
It's the type of deranged shit you can only come up with if you're a chink engineer with an empty stomach.

>>106195199
Are you the filco majestouch 1 anon with the guns?

I think that vulgaranon is correct basically that keyboard reviews/"content" being colonized completely by a-new-keyboard-every-6-months consumer-hobbyists means that things like "lasting longer than six months"—formerly one of the most important features every keyboard should offer—are now in 12th or 13th place behind such concerns as "gasket placement", "thock", "god-tier up arrow" etc., and that this is a terrible outcome for normal people and means the hobbyist keeb-nerd infosphere has been a net negative for keyboards and also the human race. And mercenary Chinese industry, shameless and utterly without scruple, has done mothing whatsoever to hold itself to any kind of standards in the absence of any genuinely critical authoritative response from "the community". Redditors are in approximately the position of gamers prior to GG—IGN is compromised, video games are obviously in shambles, they have raw numbers but they don't yet have a voice to make their complaint. Frustration is mounting.

Here's an idea, since content creators fucking love ethics so much: if you tell your hapless viewers that a keyboard earns your "seal of approval", you have to daily drive it for the next ten years of your life. Skin in the game.

Nta but akko green fog is the best liner switches I've used so far.

I got Gateron Neptune banana splits or some fucking shit switches on my keychron, and keys often double-press. In fact I've noticed that every mechanical keyboard I've ever had pretty much always had this issue, is this something you just have to deal with despite spending hundreds of dollars?
Anyways, I'm currently on an AliExpress buying frenzy, so I just need to know what are some good tactile switches. Whatever people generally think is the current bang for buck standard is fine, and I want them to be pre-lubed and all that. Thanks.

>>106197432
Weren't those the exact switches people were complaining about being especially prone to chatter not long ago? Either way a good solution would be to just have a board that allows you to change the debounce time.

>>106197432
Outemu silent lemon V3

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>>106198054
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