Thread 106133783

>musl instead of gcc
>openrc instead of systemdicks
what's the catch?

>>106133783 (OP)
none, you're not catching anything. not even a cold.

Usecase for not having gcc installed?

Is musl slower than gcc?

>Install Alpine on my Raspberry Pi
>Mesa fills up most of the RAM disk due to a blanket dependency on llvm
You'd think a minimalist OS would split such non-trivial packages, but apparently not.
How do I get around this?

>>106133783 (OP)
The downside is that a lot of software will add hard dependencies on systemd without thinking twice and your software will break as a result. But of all the systemd-free distros, it seems the most supported and that will probably only get better with the adoption of postmarketOS

>>106133793
not having pedophile retard software on your disk

>>106133793
some software doesn't compile because the library is smaller than gcc
you don't need that software anyway.

>>106133783 (OP)
The catch is every fucking shell script is broken and never works in alpine.
> gcc
All distros should come with pcc, renamed to ‘cc’ instead of that fucking gcc bloatware.
And only in the architecture it needs.

Don’t get me started on alpine’s predilection for “busybox” — one of the most ill-conceived things of our time, along with systemd and wayland.

>>106134447
>that will probably only get better with the adoption of postmarketOS
keep dreaming anon, the barrier of entry is higher than ever before. new devices entering the aftermarket with permalocked bootloaders are already starting to be the majority

>>106134477
t. posted from a hobbyist browser

>>106133783 (OP)
Serious question here, wondering if at any point in time there is an operating system coming out that will be named Alpenis?
Thoughts?

>>106134092
It's already "split" retard.
Use Gentoo or LFS, and build mesa without llvm.
Note: intel and amd mesa drivers hard depend on llvm now. Blame the mesa developers.

>>106133783 (OP)
The catch is people like picrel develop it
https://ariadne.space/

>>106133783 (OP)
>no packages
>binaries don't work
>busybox is somehow worse than coreutils

just install NixOS anon

you will still have the pain of nothing working by default but at least others have done the work of packaging things for you (and packaging things is much easier)

>>106133783 (OP)
I tried to install it on my laptop and I kept fighting with it just to get the wifi networking working.
The documentation is ass.

>>106135269
Can confirm this, its never going to be a desktop OS, as hard as they try it just keeps breaking for desktop use because its a server OS first. Everytime i have used it, i get segfaults on random programs. Firefox, display managers, terminals, file managers, video and audio players. Made by trannies for trannies who like to tinker and fix shit that cant be fixed. Just use Artix linux, it works and is tranny free.

16 reply thread and nobody pointed out the difference between a glibc (a libc) and gcc (a c compiler). Fucking grim.

Its like arch but for servers. I tried using it as a desktop but it just won't do.
Im worried in the direction the dev team is going >>106135204, but i think its even better than debian for my home server. Never had it break or complain.

>>106137170
>the difference between a glibc (a libc) and gcc (a c compiler)

fucking busybox, lmao
anyway the catch is they made other choices you probably won't like (like their plans to drop x11, wayback development was started by some of the alpine team after all)
i am making the above assumption based on how a lot of people do things as part of hivemind
given the above you may or may not prefer something like artix or devuan
>>106137170
tell him

>>106133783 (OP)
musl's code is way cleaner than glibc and I like that it can statically compile, but its memchr is 10x slower because it iterates a pointer instead of using simd

>>106135204
>https://ariadne.space/2025/07/07/two-weeks-of-wayback.html
> Recently, a group of neofascist reactionaries announced a fork of the X.org server

>>106134447
>hard dependencies on systemd
based if true, but I doubt it. most systemd stuff is environment variables or file descriptors.

>>106133783 (OP)
It's run by mentally unfit tranny that sees nazis everywhere. Clearly something is seriously wrong with this whole project.

>>106133783 (OP)
musl has some differences from glibc that can break some programs on some architectures, like how LuaJIT is (probably still) broken on ppc32 under musl.

>>106137564
>>106137660
i wouldn't buy that excuse as the only reason
again, i believe it to be more of a conflict of interest

>>106133783 (OP)
unfortunately they came up as woke when they stated that they won't accept Xlibre as a package

been using alpine on my servers for years without problems

>>106135204
i actually really like alpine as a concept. i have only tried it in in a vm, but that recent debacle with this guy and xlibre has me worried for it.
i do NOT use or avoid software based on political or personal views, but that doesn't mean i'm oblivious to how that affects the software. i would have assumed xlibre would be a good fit for alpine, but we're just not allowed nice things these days

>>106137660
>Project won't package broken shitware developed by mentally ill retards
>something is seriously wrong with this whole project
Pot, meet kettle.

>>106137170
we all recognised the typo and know what he meant... i hope

The wiki documentation is fucking garbage.

I was never able to understand how to get Hyprland to launch.

>sddm
>greetd
>seatd
>polkit

Though tbf Gnome just worked because GDM just worked but Gnome is fucking gay and I won't use it.

>>106135128
2025 is shaping to be such shit

>>106135204
Here's the catch then

>>106137170
it gets better anon. no one figured out yet that alpine actually uses GCC, not LLVM, lol.

>>106133783 (OP)
No Nvidia drivers, and no ROCm. If that's not a problem for you then I whole-heatedly recommend it. It's the most straightforward distro for anyone who wants to pick what software they want installed.

>>106135269
This

>>106137772
>You are mentally ill if you dont support open borders and rape, grooming gangs.

>>106140214
I kek how XLibre's shitty repo proclaims loudly to not be political, yet comments like this crop up when everyone rightfully points out the XLibre dev is a fucking retard who doesn't know C and constantly pushes broken code into master.

>>106133783 (OP)
The catch is that it's using non-standard libraries.

>>106133783 (OP)
musl's dlclose is a noop, so any application that opens and closes many shared objects (i.e. a DAW scanning plugins) will leak memory.

You listed the catches in the op

>>106135302
are you talking about apine or nix lmao

>>106137660
>reeeee you must package my broken fork

>>106140276
((((((Stop noticing things I don’t like.
I’m just a lisp enthusiast.))))))

>>106140276
And also a retard who still insists in fucking DDX in 2025 for some masochistic reason.

>>106133783 (OP)
It is incredible for VMs, containers and embedded. That's all.

>>106137609
Both Gnome and KDE are pushing for stronger system dependencies in the coming released. You already can't be 100% because you need seatd and elogind.

>>106133783 (OP)
>>106134065
Musl don't replace gcc but glibc.
You can use gcc on Alpine

>>106137227
>Its like arch but for servers.
Arch bit the systemd bulled a fuckload of time ago. The only real comparison is it being very barebones and having you do it all yourself and having a cringe userbase.

>>106133783 (OP)
>what's the catch?
troon took over leadership and harrassed the most prolific package maintainer (just because he was white) so he left.
debian, void, nix and alpine have all fallen into troon hands and it's going downhill every fucking time
>debian
mass exodus from maintainers, many CVEs are never patched, they explicitely tell white men to fuck off regularly especially at conferences like debconf or fosdem (i've seen myself it irl)
>void
main lead had his wife left him and she actively tried to ruin his life just because. he left and troons took over, they fucked the forums by banning people, they took down many docs and banned contributors for no reason (typical woman behavior, don't look for reasons, there are none 99% of the time when they act evil)
they shilled for furries on the main website and banned people who though it was innapropriate
>nix
the forum mod team didn't like the fact that the lead was not american living in california so they planned an hostile takeover threatening to ruin the project and the creator life if he didn't leave by himself (he did as he is a good person and did not want to fight)
many maintainers were bullied and forced to leave too, they took down many doc pages for no reason, the overall stability of the distro went down and it's now a circlejerk distro where everyone is masturbating in a circle doing nothing
>alpine
a group of troons didn't like the way alpine was packaging some things because it slowed down their container startup so they went to the forum and threatened one of the core member of the distro that he has to fix it, or else (typical freaks "pacifist" behavior btw), he wasn't concerned but he was white so...

I hate troons you have no idea, it's not enough to ruin their bodies they have to ruin everything that non-freak enjoy...
it's not normal for barely 0.000000001% of the population to be so toxic and prevalent in dramas, normal trolls aren't a tenth of the toxicity of freak under estrogen.

>>106137170
also emacs is better than pulseaudio
and x11 is better than network-manager

>>106144467
Are you telling me that a wagon is better than a watermelon?
What are you? A fucking nazi?

>>106135128
>intel and amd mesa drivers hard depend on llvm now
And this causes all of Mesa to depend on it, ergo, it's not split.
And it's not even a real hard dependency. If you use GCN, it doesn't use llvm at all.

Half the shit you want to install will either
A. only work with glibc
or
B. require patches that may or may be maintained and may or may not work to have it compile against musl
>GNU is about software freedom and having software work on any platform!
>as long as that platform uses glibc of course
GEE THANKS STALLMAN

>>106146215
It must be a conspiracy to infect people with the virus to eat feet fungus.

>>106146215
if the program relies on implementation details unique to glibc, that's the developer's fault, musl is a complete implementation

>>106144443
Nearly checked

>>106133783 (OP)
It's favoured by the Cut off Cock (CoC) clan

>>106144443
slackware it is then and ive been meaning to try those bsd things