I donated 1 TB of space on an nvme what have you done this week in the fight against censorship?

Nothing. Write what you want. I'm useless

>>106134833 (OP)
>what have you done this week in the fight against censorship?
i didn't report anon for typing nigger

>>106134849
are you announcing the null report?

Oh great now we have more room in the pot for honey, thanks bro. Agent Liebe has been experimenting with this new skibidi splitscreen sissy scat lane we think is ripe for testing

106134855
What a particularly lazy demoralization attempt.

>>106134855
Shilling this till I get at least 10 clearweb normies on board. Glowies eat ass and die.

Join Hyphanet while you still can. It's been operational for 25 years already.

. Free
. Anonymous
. Encrypted
. Reliable
. Censorship resistant
. Decentralized (no need to run a server in order to host any website or file)

. Works in a completely diffetent way compared to other darknets.

DOWNLOAD: https://www.hyphanet.org/

TUTORIAL: https://navigating-the-darkweb.readthedocs.io/en/latest/chapter4_hyphanet.html

. Hyphanet's replacement for usenet/forums is called FMS.

. Hyphanet's replacement for Twitter/Facebook is called Sone.

. Hyphanet's replacement for e-mail is called Freemail.

. Hyphanet's replacement for websites are called Freesites (uploaded through JSite).

I donated 1 TB of space on an nvme drive too.

>>106134897
Based.

>>106134883
>no need to run a server in order to host any website or file
where is my website stored then?

JAAR

>>106134922
Anything you upload is encrypted, broken up into small pieces which are then randomly distributed across the nework, so people can still access the data even when your node goes down by retrieving the pieces stored in other nodes.

>>106134833 (OP)
What legal material is on hyphanet that I cant get on the clearweb?
No glowie shit.

>>106134950
Much of it is actually legal, but this shouldn't be about what you can find right now but about being able to communicate privately and without censorship, and above everything else, rebuilding communities on FMS.

The decentralized solutions never work. The internet should be uncensored, but everyone should require an ID (and complete a proof of work) to both post and consume content. No content shall be removable by anyone if you need to edit you just send your diff and it creates and new resource by patching a resource you link.
As for "self-censorship" that is handled via a directory system that is completely transparent to the poster, if you post a something it is scanned by an llm/video classifer etc. (all directories is legally guaranteed a reasonable baseline of support if created.)
The consumer can NOT choose to block directories, nor can minors be blocked from consuming any content.

This system gets lets information be free but allows for punishment of bad actors. And importantly lets of track exactly which kinds of communities actually house or incubate bad actors and lets communities more effectively self govern to decrease the probability of bad actors spawning.

>>106134950
The point is to be a free alternative to the internet. If you are being tracked you aren't free, you're on parole.

>>106135015
Holy smokes the glowage in here. Please kys immediately.

>>106135026
Bad actor spotted, nobody likes you cause you're the reason the internet is censored in the first place. You are likely some variant of fascist or low EQ psychopathic retard.

>>106134883
Why don't you make your own thread dedicated to hyphanet instead of spamming this in every other thread?

>>106134945
how many duplicates of each piece is there?

>>106135040
Sorry glowie, terrorist shithole vpn prevents me from starting new threads and uploading images in certain boards, and this is a Hyphanet thread anyways.

>>106135049
Read the papers.

>>106135049
dynamic, usually 5-10

>>106134833 (OP)
>hyphanet
What the fuck, why did they rename from "freenet"?

>>106135063
Because the guy who made freenet is rewriting it in rust

>>106134883
>java based
no thanks lol. jesus. 25 years thats the best they can do?

>Hyphanet's replacement for Twitter/Facebook
>make new internet
>immediately ruin it

>>106135063
Somebody must have done that on behalf of glowies just to confuse people and keep them from joining. That's about all they can do, the project being open source.

>>106135058
no

>>106135073
No. And I ask you to refrain from making retarded posts in a thread meant to invite new users.

>>106134833 (OP)
>people store cp and 3d printable gun models on your 1tb
>sorry anon, time for prison

>>106135084
There's the official explanation, but makes 0 sense if you actually read it. Bad move, the name should have stayed the same.

>>106135055
>Sorry glowie, terrorist shithole vpn prevents me from starting new threads and uploading images in certain boards,
Meds and BBC + get a residential proxy then.

>>106135102
No vpn operating within freindly territory is of any real use as far as anonymity is concerned.

>>106135087
How is that any different than running any other file server except for the fact that it's only a chunk?
If I get a notification about the offending chunk I will promptly remove it in compliance with the law.
>>106135092
I didn't post any explanation, stop being retarded.

>>106135123
I didn't say you did. I just read it, it's on the official website.

>>106135117
>anonymity
for posting on mongolian basketball weaving forum?

>>106134883
>not lokinet
Hyphanet shills gtfo with their non Tor routing shit. You gotta pay for a ghost key and expect you to believe that that ghost key is not only secure but also that they don't see it.

>>106135087
unironically this

Why would it use it instead of I2P?

>>106135185
Kek what a stupid shitskin animal. Hyphanet doesn't require any sort of key, that's Freenet, a project unrelated to Hyphanet being developed for a completely different purpose, but nigger iq prevents this fact from being acknowledged.

This is exactly the kind of damage the name change has brought about. Shame.

>>106135207
Use i2p for dynamic, traditionally hosted websites and live chat. Perfectly good for that, and use Hyphanet for everything else.

Tor's still the only reasonable choice for accessing a residue of clearweb sites that have yet to ban it.

this is just csam. why did i even give it a chance

>>106135257
It's only that if that's what you're looking for.

>>106135212
>Even more lies
So unrelated they changed the name so they wouldn't compete with their own fork. It's the same non-profit and the same people.

>>106135262
I've only managed to find qorg11's website and he is already everywhere. The rest are trash, my little pony sex stories and illegal materials. What am I supposed to find here that is not available to me outside its existence other than illegal shit.

>>106135212
>Hyphanet doesn't require any sort of key, that's Freenet, a project unrelated to Hyphanet being developed for a completely different purpose

Meanwhile
https://www.hyphanet.org/freenet-renamed-to-hyphanet.html

>>106135277
Sorry glowie, that's like saying office is the same as windows because they're both developed by microsoft.

>>106135015
>>106135039
Tying your ID to posts makes it easy for jews to go after your job.

they will mandate DPI at the ISP level
you will not be able to access your autistic networks at all

>>106135281
You are too much of a retarded shitskin beast to use Hyphanet. The whole point here is to establish secure communications that can withstand censorship and rebuild communities on FMS. What you can and cannot find in terms of freesites right now is irrelevant.

>>106135334
Turkish ISPs already do it, does not stop anyone from accessing shit

>>106135341
Till a glowie gets on, tells the owner to unmask you, or just gets thebisp to do it, and you get thrown in jail for CP possession. The more you shillnit the less and less I'm willing to try it out.

>>106134833 (OP)
I watched 10 hours of porn

>>106135397
If it was that easy, there would be no pedos on Hyphanet, but there's plenty of them. And you just exposed yourself as a pedo for being afraid of your cp traffick being uncovered.

Have a good day.

>>106134833 (OP)
>he's willingly hosting CP for "muh censorship"
Glowie-san...

>>106134883
>at least 10
Time to update your message fren, I'd say you already accomplished that initial mission
>t. fell for it, thanks to you :)

>>106135281
>my little pony sex stories
Sounds based. I'm setting up nu-freenet right now.

>>106135432
By that retarded logic the people who run every filesharing site, 4chan included, are glowies. I know you are underage, but maybe you shouldn't give so much headspace to the government. They are a near irrelevant part of your life in any sane country.

>>106135443
I myself counted 4 new hyphafrens, but maybe you're right!

>>106134833 (OP)
Freenet has weak privacy protections and doesn't offer significant financial incentives to host files, meaning everything obscure on it will eventually die off as people get disinterested and turn off their nodes. There really isn't a filesharing protocol that is decentralized, private, and offers incentives for uploading and hosting files. Closest you got was LBRY, although networks like Filecoin and Sia offer decentralized file storage that may be able to be utilized to share files effectively but aren't commonly used for those purposes.

The world has decreed public and private bittorrent trackers are good enough, nothing new has gotten even close to replacing those.

>>106135444
I would share the name of the freesite but I already uninstalled it

>>106135457
Freenet has options for weak privacy protection. By default it is secure. You are a faggot for posting FUD. There are still obscure files from 25 years ago easily accessible on freenet. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

You realize people share files with 4chan right? Is 4chan a tracker now?

>>106135449
Yes, filesharing websites are liable for hosting and distributing illegal shit. What are you even trying to argue here? It's why filesharing websites all have ways to report content and teams dedicated to removing them. Any filesharing website that doesn't have a way to report content or a team deleting illegal content is considered to be willingly hosting and distributing it.

>>106135470
IIRC Freenet's privacy was broken, but maybe that was fixed with the Hyphanet rebranding or I'm just misremembering. Anyways without economic incentives (they don't necessarily need to be money, private trackers offer a variety of non-monetary economic incentives centered around things like ratios of uploaded bytes to downloaded, requirements to increase user classes, etc) I have doubt that any filesharing network will keep unpopular files long term. Every network without incentives, like public bittorrent trackers, has this problem.

>>106135488
You are spreading literal FUD, a police station claimed to break it but they completely made up everything.
You know you are spreading FUD ("maybe I'm misremembering")
Delete your post if you aren't a bad faith actor.

>>106135424
Uh huh. I'm not falling your honeypot fed.

>>106135510
You are already posting in a honeypot and on jail if you using clearnet.

>>106135455
>New users are lit up for everyone to see
Kek, what other info is available I wonder.

>>106135470
You are clearly either retarded and a glowie or just retarded.

Tor has been proven against de anonymisation. Has hyphanet and i2p been heavily tested and proven? I heard freenet can not prevent de anonymisation.

>>106135488
It hasn't been broken. The software functions as expected and has no known issues right now other than potential vulnerabilities inherent to the way it functions (explanations available from official documentation), just as other darknets would have as well, in their own way. Nothing is perfect, but everybody in a country where plausible deniability and presumption of innocence are still honored, will greatly benefit from conducting anonymous communications that cannot be censored.

>>106135515
I'm not joining your network so you can scrape info and sell it on the darknet. KYS.

>>106135532
What is the point of this post? You can read the thread and be told that is wrong or I can tell you that is wrong, but you will just argue despite not knowing.

>>106135532
Hyphanet yes, that's why it's packed with all sorts of shady stuff and has been from the getgo.

>>106135510
Kel, another pedo being afraid of getting caught.

>>106135065
That’s not exactly an endorsement

>>106134833 (OP)
>he donates his drive to store someone else's cp
imagine being a retard

Ok I'm imagining my post numbers being 106135593 right now

>>106135500
>Delete your post
This just makes it sound like you're trying to cover something up lmao

An encrypted fragment of cp you didn't choose to store won't get you in trouble (specially if they don't know it's there, which thing Hyphanet helps you with by design) anymore than having manufactured a knife that was used to butcher somebody, but glowie propaganda would have you believe otherwise.

Oh nooooooo, normies leaving muh clearweb cage! what horrors it brings not being able to spy and control people! Please return to your clearweb cage immediately and stop trying to speak freely.

...glowies please fuck off and die already.

>>106135449
>the government
>near irrelevant part of your life in any sane country.
What are these mythical sane countries, the government reaches into everything in the Western world and is not an irrelevant part of your life.

>>106135638
>"why do you have all this CP on your computer?"
>"I-it's not mine! I don't know how it got there!"
Bulletproof defense.

Here's where glowie-san argues that it's fine because it was downloaded by a program in the background without user knowledge, as if law enforcement, judges and jury are going to let a retard who willingly ran a program knowing that it could download and share CP online walk away.

Notice that the only people talking about CP in this thread are the people telling you not to use it.
CP is just a label for porn that the government has already banned. You are endangering children if you consume porn privately now. Now watching porn with only consenting adult actors is morally equivalent to waching CP.

>>106135638
>An encrypted fragment of cp you didn't choose to store won't get you in trouble
This depends on the percentage of CP compared to other data that is on the network. The point of encrypting it is to offer plausible deniability that you knew it was CP that you were storing or distributing. If there can be a reasonable argument that you knew that a large, substantial percentage of that encrypted data was CP and/or that a large, substantial percentage of your bandwidth was CP, then it can be argued that you were knowingly owning and distributing CP, as it is no longer plausibly deniable.

In other words, networks that are used for CP will proportionally be used more and more for CP exclusively as good faith actors in tyrannical regimes stop using the network for non-CP purposes.

>>106135706
All porn is CP if watched privately as per >>106135702
Thus the the percentage is much higher than it would be otherwise.

>>106135702
>See how the anons that are poking holes in my Freenet app l, which o sholl ad being anonymous and legal, is not anonymous and legal
>They are just glowie shill
Nice try.

>>106135040
he doesn't use it. no one who uses freenet (it will always be freenet) recommends or even mentions Sone, or anything based on the crap WoT implementation. that's one of the primary reasons why new users actually leave freenet early because of how shit and a performance killer it is.
i would have thought it's just a random /g/tard. but since "it" started calling others glowies, i will take the liberty to assume that "it" is the one that is glowing, and glowing hard.

>>106135688
Post hand. Only a shitskin would say something this stupid.

Hyphanet is not advertised as a cp sharing platform, but rather as a tool for circumventing censorship, and it actually hosts all sort of legit, perfectly legal data including mere text conversations on FMS, yet you don't get to choose which data goes through your node.

Either the place you live in honors plausible deniability and presumption of innocence or it doesn't. If it does, you're not responsible for hosting anything any more than you're for financing your isp through your subscription which actually facilitates cp traffick by providing the very internet access service that pedos use.

anyone here actually uses freenet, and is willing to carry a message for me to fms (or frost)?
please post a screenshot of a new message from there as proof.
i wanted to disclose something back when i was still using the network. but i left before i did.
----
/g/ must be too retarded to have a single REAL freenet user in it. because i made this request multiple times, and no takers (yet).

We need to modify the government, not the internet.
a party can't exist for more than 10 years. And new parties can't contain more than 40% of existing members.
Also congressmen and judges have a term limit with the majority of their pay being backloaded until 30 years after they retire from public office, tied to long term bonds

>>106135760
>Hyphanet is not advertised as a cp sharing platform,
Oh, well then that settles it then, doesn't it? Why are you so invested is people using Freenet so much? You got malware you want someone to host?

>>106135785
Anon, FMS doesn't have that large of volume of messages, so if someone were to post on your behalf they could be trivially deanonymized by a correlation attack of "what IPs visited this thread in the last 24 hours?" and "what IPs were using Freenet at the time of this FMS post?" and chances are there will be only 1 IP that fits that criteria!

>>106135785
Unless you're accessing 4chan truly anonymously, you don't want any sort of activity here (including just lurking) linked to anything that goes on Hyphanet. It could potentially be a vector of attack. I however think this is mostly due to normies not being able to figure it out.

Can I earn crypto with this stuff? I'm only in for the money.

>>106135796
Because I see the hammer coming down on our freedoms and I'm doing my part by trying to walk it back. You may now fuck off to the clearweb and continue sucking up to your masters.

>>106135804
people on freenet would know how to post here anonymously (for real).
not all of freenet is open-net.
not everyone on freenet is doing "bad stuff". and merely using the network is not illegal, in and of itself.
a good chunk of the user-base is not within the reach of westoid zog anyway.
-----
but i still like you understanding of what "correlation attack" means. and the idea that the powers that be will grab someone with mere guessing just because of carrying my message lol.

>>106135863
You're Walk mg back nothing. If anything you'll complicit in a false flag attack to pass through legislation for installing government spyware into the OS directly. Get fucked.

>>106135455
>but maybe you're right!
I can only hope so. Fuck glowtards. And thanks for the guide you included in your posts. It was very useful

>>106135950
My pleasure.

>>106135899
Government spyware is exactly what your running in your computer when you use any big site on the clearweb. Hyphanet is clean and open source, and has been from it's inception.

>>106135873
forgot to add (because /g/ wouldn't since it's tech illiterate):
you can create a new FMS identity with ease. and use as many as you want, all from within the same FMS instance. there is no separate "browser profiles", or any "logging in"/"logging out" needed lol.
my message is not problematic, legally speaking.

>>106135976
*/g/ wouldn't know ...

>>106134883
Wasn't this the dark web that was de-anonymized almost 20 years ago and resulted in a few people going to prison over it? Why not Tor?

>>106136024
Nope, must have been something else. Anyways, Hyphanet's greatest strength is full decentralization: Anything you upload is encrypted, broken up into small pieces which are then randomly distributed across the nework, so people can still access the data even when your node goes down by simply retrieving the pieces stored in other nodes, a process which's carried out automatically by the software.

>>106136024
Also FMS, the usenet/forum system on Hyphanet was designed to withstand both censorship and spam via the trustlist system which's done remarkably well.

>>106134833 (OP)
What's the difference between this and i2p

>>106136226
Read. Not that difficult.

>>106134855
Even more bizarre is that this was abandoned and freenet devs are working on.... wait for it....freenet

>>106136226
i2p is a NOT fork of freenet (now called hyphanet), despite the wikipedia claim.

>>106135059
How long is data retained for?
What stops a bad actor from breaking the network by uploading petabytes of garbage?

>>106136277
proof?

>>106136280
He would have to make multiple accounts and in the end they would have to upload more then they download. The end result would be some users (mostly the bad actor) hosting a few chunks of garbage that get delisted after he stops.

>>106136280
There was data uploaded well over a decade ago (2011/2010, possibly even slightly older) that's still available today. The more popular something is, the more it propagates so the longer it lasts.

>>106136280
Freenet doesn't prevent this but sustaining an attack like this is economically unfeasible.

>>106136333
How unfeasible are we talking? For you or me maybe, but if a state actor wanted to break Hyphanet (because it's a distributed network that potentially hosts things they don't like) could they do it?

Why can't we just get a decentralized 4chan?
It's all I need.

>>106136342
Unfeasible enough for it to never have happened unto this day.

>>106136268
the person who owned the name "Freenet" had nothing to do with OG Freenet's development since forever, retard.

>>106136342
at least a dozen attacking nodes pushing at least 50Gb/s for weeks

>>106136348
You can, just join Hyphanet and get on the FMS boards.

>>106136356
>>106136342
But it scales with network size, that estimate is for current activity.

>>106136356
That's not even that much

>>106136363
all frost boards are IDed. not ideal for most /g/eets shitting this board with samefagging spam lol.
they would have to frost. there they will know how it looks like when everyone can shit liberally without any cleaners.. except many frost users filter non-IDed shitters anyway lol.

>>106136365
Naturally, but is there anything preventing this specifically:
>He would have to make multiple accounts and in the end they would have to upload more then they download
If the network isn't punishing leechers (and since it's designed around breaking everything into little pieces and distributing this among 5-10 peers it doesn't sound like it is) then that's a problem.

Maybe it uses popularity to decide what is important like >>106136324 implies?
In that case you would have to be downloading your garbage data at the same time you're uploading it to fake that it's popular and get peers to keep it and discard other data. This would make an attack much more difficult but still probably not impossible.

there proof of work plugins (SpamProof) so your node won't accept any chunk that they don't give a proof of work for. And there are plugins that can spot spam and back up data.

>>106136419
If you are constantly uploading and downloading irrelevant content then yes you will be very poorly weighted to normal users. Making it proportionally less likely for them to store spam.
Maybe joining during an ongoing spam attack will get you, but then you never had any old content anyways and normal use will flush it.

>>106136411
Kek, what a retarded shitskin animal glowie. Frost was nuked years ago, that's why we've been using and promiting FMS ever since; it was successfully designed to be resilient to both spam and censorship alike.

what is opennet's size these days? are weekly stats still getting posted?
the last time i was there, the numbers were continually going down. has that trend continued, or were there any surges, or did the network size largely stabilize?

>>106136495
Check out the statistics from the interface. You may need to switch to advanced mode for a better look.

>>106136479
>that's why we've been using and promiting FMS ever since
Great. You must be competent and know how to anonymize yourself, for you to be a "we" spokesperson. Can you carry a message for me per >>106135785?

>>106136519
that doesn't give you opennets size. and i'm not on the network anymore.
the real network "opennet stats" were posted to FMS's "freenet" board with criteria used explained.

>>106136520
>>106135839

>>106136530
Are you sure about that?

>>106136540
if you don't know how to be fucking anonymous between 4jeet and freenet. you're too retarded to be safe from literally anything.

>>106136566
I was reminding you of why this sort retarded request hasn't been fulfilled. I could have carried the message (and yes, I'm behind a vpn from a hostile country, which's the only way to secure any tangible degree of anonymity here) if it was actually an important message and not some retarded nigger like you giving the white man an attitude for nothing.

>>106136553
for fucks sake. i think the stats site is (or was at least) one of the default bookmarks. check it.
>>106136614
alright. post this there with the title "Minor (not directly deanonymizing) metadata leakage in one of Freenet's messaging apps". below is symmetrically gpg-encoded then base64-encoded content of the message. i will share the passphrase after someone posts proof that this was posted in FMS.
https://pastebin.com/rc9M9hS5

Is binary42dot still on there?
I used to run a freesite in the 2001-2003 era.
Also had a blog too.

>>106136669
>for fucks sake. i think the stats site is (or was at least) one of the default bookmarks. check it.
Not talking about that. Where do you think the opennet node stats come from? That's right, the Hyphanet software itself. Other stats and probably the ones you're actually remembering here, come from crawlers, like the FMS board activity and new Freesites lists.

Why did you allow Ian to change the name of the network after he made a non-anon network and tries to get people to use that?

I wouldn't run this except over Tor or I2P: do you make it easy to do so?

While freenet hides the data being used, and who uploaded it, it doesn't hide who is running freenet.
Also timing attacks can be used because the govt monitors all communications and all nodes.
And they are banning free speech and have destroyed communication between opensource projects allready (you can't comm with the linux kernel mailing list anymore, can't contribute, all hackers and MAMALLELSS are banned, linus bent the knee, and ignores the fact that he begged hackers to help him in 1993 and they did for a decade or more)
So tunneling over TOR between hidden services would be the correct way to do things, adding more layers.

But you call me unbased for telling you this.
Ian is a dipshit. You can see it on his faggot finnish-type build and the fact that he wants to stop "bad actors" (faggot speak for anti-feminists and MMAALLLLEESSSS) from using his new non-anon "freenet"

Why did you let him steal your name?

>>106136696
Was anything fundamentally different back then compared to say 2004-2005 besides network size, assuming you stuck arround a lil longer? I missed that era entirely.

>>106136745
>it doesn't hide who is running freenet.
What do you think Darknet mode is for? Come on.

>>106136757
Ian wasn't a faggot.
I mean he was, but we, being fellow white people, entertained the delusion that white people could be strong and not faggot.
And opensource back then was anti-women and a thing us "boys" did.
Hans Reiser was a hero.
And doubly so after he killed the russian hooker.
Just like Jack Kennedy did.

>>106136773
I mean, in terms of software utility, posting dynamic and content.

>>106136769
I haven't used freenet since I turned my dual amd server off for being too loud ... years ago.

When I went to turn it on again the power supply blew.

It has IDE drives so I can't just plug it in and migrate over.
AND Grsecurity is gone.
I relied on Grsecurity to keep that computer secure.

But Linus allowed them to violate the GPL.
RMS does nothing.
No one sues them
They delete my mails to the LKML.

What to do?
IDE drives need a seperate PSU input, unlike USB -> Sata interfaces which have them built in.
And will my drives even work?

>>106136324
>well over a decade ago (2011/2010
2010 was like 5 years ago anon...

>>106136716
fucking retard. freenet is not a "fully connected" network. the stats posts or site already explain the criteria they use to estimate the size of the open network. if you were actually there, you would have read this already.
another poser exposed!

>>106134883
>Shills freenet
>Doesn't mention Session as it uses onion routing
Can you glow harder?

>>106136787
It was a time when linux and opensource was on the upswing. Good things were not rejected from opensource yet: ex anything good was /accepted/ into Linux kernel and every other opensource thing. Programmers were in /CONTROL/ and were /RESPECTED/ and were all men.

Now you can't get anything in linux or anything else. You can't even talk to other opensource programmers: everything is spamfiltered, blackholed, and your messages are deleted by moderators who are not programmers from everywhere.

Back then we didn't need Freenet, but we used it because it, and crypto, were cool.
Now we do need freenet: but no one will ever know about it because Ian took the name and made you change it to "filthy fungus underground lol fuck you pedos, WOMENS RIGHTS! GIRLS NOT BRIDES!!!"....
so those who remeber freenet and need it now, will not find it.
Which is why he changed the name (why did you allow this: just say no) (he didn't even write the code IIRC: I remeber he hired a Java programmer to program Freenet. He "just" supplied the ideas).

I remeber new versions of GNU's Java compiler were watched to see if they'd run Freenet correctly and fast. And the free java runtime too.

It's like it was yesterday.
But my server is broken.
And I can't step back in.

And grsecurity is gone.
They lied to us all.
They said they'd sue violators.
No point in doing GPL work if anything you do will be ripped off and closed-source. Like Grsecurity does to linux kernel.

Also the feeling was that the ENTIRE opensource community was "one" thing.
Not seperate projects that had nothing to do with eachother.

When I contribute to an opensource video game that's my work. And my reward is the opensource stuff other people did. We were all in it together.
Now everything is "seperate"
And you have seething assholes yelling
>HAHAH YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GPL PROJECT X SO NO COMPLAINING COMPANY Y IS CLOSE SOURCING THEIR DERIVATIVE WORK HAHAHAHA!
And we have women running gatekeeping operations.

>>106136745
Obscure private servers are the only reliable way of communicating anonymously. When SOPA, PIPA AND ACTA were around I was called a retard for suggesting this.

>>106136820
I don't feel freenet is safe either.
Just a feeling I have.

In 2001-2003, 2005,2007, 2008... till whenever I shut down my server.
I felt it was safe.

But I don't anymore.
I know the govt collects and saves all time data of every connection you make per node.
So timing attacks are very possible.

But it doesn't seem any work has been done to mitigate any of it. And they are arresting people for speech. So they will arrest you for having a piece of CP encrypted that someone else uploaded I would assume if they dislike you.

I know everyone dislikes me.
White people love feminism and women's rights, and they hate YHWH, they hate men, they hate their sons. They love their daughters. They claim anyone who likes girls is "not white". Only women desierers are white.

Also Linus Torvalds has banned and betrayed all the hackers who helped him. Replaced them with women.
It seems Ian has also sworn off the hacker belief system and wants accountability and censorship and anti-feminists and pedos to be tortured and killed by the government.

All these white people have betrayed the hacker ethos.
They've all become pro-feminist, pro-trans, pro-corporate, and have banned the very men who did most of their code: hackers.

They're faggots. And enemies.
They turned on those who helped them: who they asked for help from. They accepted money so as to fund their lifestyle with their fat whore "wives".
They rejected the idea of marrying cute little girls: thus shaming all the hackers that helped them.

They've accepted white goyish domesticity.
Even Richard Matthew Stallman recanted his pro-loli beliefs (but I was told by Bruce Perens over email that RMS actually believes as I do in reality)

>>106136813
>2010 was like 5 years ago anon...
Feels like yesterday, doesn't it.
What the FUCK happened.
Where did __OUR__ time go?

2001-2003 was like FOREVER.
I got so much done.

>>106136757
>>>106136696
>Was anything fundamentally different back then compared to say 2004-2005 besides network size, assuming you stuck arround a lil longer? I missed that era entirely.

The system was _SO_ secure.
We had Pax/Grsecurity, before they violated the GPL and went closed and stopped all redistribution.
We had SSHv2.
We had encrypted hdd with crypto-loop (not LUKS yet).
We had Gradm (grsecurit RBAC)

We had Tor. (I ran a node)
We had Freenet.

We had IRC over SSHv2.
X desktops over SSHv2.
Firefox was new and didn't spy.
We had it all.

Now we have nothing.
It's all being taken away.

Grsecurity was taken away by the united states army (they fund it). Even though it is a derivative work of Linux.
Gradm is gone with it.
X is being DEEEEEEPPEERREEECIIIATED by homosexual women. No more remote desktop on a server community.
Freenet has had no work done and is being activly attacked by it's founder Ian.
Linux has rejected hackers and Linus attacks the hacker ethos with Codes of Conduct, Speech codes, and women as masters of men. (Programmers who did the code used to be the masters).
Tor was given over to transsexuals. Was created by a Navy programmer who wasn't a gay.
Mozilla is now spyware.

>>106136817
And what software did they use to gather the information for the task again? Talk about shitskin retardation. Kys.

>>106136859
One critical thing is to get young naiieve white-boi programmers to program some honest stuff while you can still maliciously trick them into doing it.

I got Divverent (Rudolf Polzer) to code in cryptographic networking into Nexuiz because he was a university student.
I asked him to do it, talked with him on IRC every night, forever, and I also sent cash over to Germany for him, my whole check, for quite awhile.

I said to him I wanted this feature so people could plot to overthrow governments over Nexuiz.

Since he was a young naiieve white-boi he did the work.
He has since said he wish he never met me, and wishes he could take back all the work he did.

He works for google now. His fellow googler, Lord, Forest Hale, Havoc, "became" a woman and chopped his own dick and balls off to become "Lady Havoc".
They all support feminism now.
Back then they didn't quite.

>>106136820
I like session but development is very slow.
Also the only way I found to use it beyond the messenger is a hacky terminal script that allows you to send and retrieve messages and that's it. Doesn't even route through tor by default. So don't get me wrong, my main criticism is that there isn't more of session.

>>106136856
Not exactly what I asked about but I appreciate the insight. I joined Hyphanet back in 2004 and just wanted to know if the Hyphanet software itself functioned in a fundamentally different fashion compared to how I remember it from 2004 onwards.

>>106137006
I'm going to repeat my post because no one _EVER_ responds to something that is not a last post here. And I want a response:

>>106136859
One critical thing is to get young naiieve white-boi programmers to program some honest stuff while you can still maliciously trick them into doing it.

I got Divverent (Rudolf Polzer) to code in cryptographic networking into Nexuiz because he was a university student.
I asked him to do it, talked with him on IRC every night, forever, and I also sent cash over to Germany for him, my whole check, for quite awhile.

I said to him I wanted this feature so people could plot to overthrow governments over Nexuiz.

Since he was a young naiieve white-boi he did the work.
He has since said he wish he never met me, and wishes he could take back all the work he did.

He works for google now. His fellow googler, Lord, Forest Hale, Havoc, "became" a woman and chopped his own dick and balls off to become "Lady Havoc".
They all support feminism now.
Back then they didn't quite.

>>106137013
>>>106136856(You)
>Not exactly what I asked about but I appreciate the insight. I joined Hyphanet back in 2004 and just wanted to know if the Hyphanet software itself functioned in a fundamentally different fashion compared to how I remember it from 2004 onwards.

No, same exact way I think.
Again, my IDE HDDS are unavailable to me (is there a way to get to them via USB3? SATA is easy to plug in via USB3, and I do it often, but how do I back up an IDE hDD? I know it used to have a seperate GIANT POWER __BLOCK__ of 4 pins going in (like an airsoft gun has (tymana connector, but those are 2 pins, not 4)...

... why the hell does it need 2 sets of power?
Logic board and motor?

... so I can't get to my server anymore.
I never thought it would be gone from me forever when I turned it off....

>>106137013
Is binary42dot still accessable.
That's a freesite I used to run.
Used iframes for the comments.
It was like slashdot.

Also... could you ask the freene... hyphanetters if they could help opensource programming for ChaosXAnthology?

Since I cannot communicate with anyone nowadays (censorship is intense, my messages never go through, can't connect with opensource programmers, women and trannies are gatekeeping everything)

>>106137060
>ChaosXAnthology
you mean esque?

>>106137017
people probably don't respond to you because your post is incoherent

>>106137035
have you tried any of these https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ide+to+usb

>>106137084
Yes, but the full word is censored here on 4chan
Chaos_sque Anthology.

>>106137091
What is incoherent, asshole?
I am recounting what I lived.
You mad it isn't a 2 byte post?

>>106137099
Do those even give power though?
IDE needs a seperate power rail.
It's not like sata where it can be all one connector.

>>106137139
>instantly chimps out
oh sorry those were clearly ebonics

>>106137151
Why shouldn't I "chimp out" at an enemy?
I'm near 40.

You think you'll be cool calm and collected then?
Do you?
Eventually you come to understand to not deal with hostile parties except by killing them or attacking them back. There's no profit in being friends with someone who opposes you.

Young white idiots don't "get" that.
And they work their young lives for the benifit of their opponents. (women, people using them, trans etc)

>>106137099
Should I freeze the IDE HDDs first?
That server was so fun.

>>106137151
>Linux betrays the man who made them in the datacenter: Hans Reiser
>You should be calm.

>>106135688
>>Here's where glowie-san argues that it's fine because it was downloaded by a program in the background without user knowledge, as if law enforcement, judges and jury are going to let a retard who willingly ran a program knowing that it could download and share CP online walk away.

There were cocaine cases where this defense was used.
It didn't work.
The Court found that the Defendant intentionally avoided learning what was in the package.
He was found guilty anyway.

Yes IAAL.

White people are retards.
You need actual uncrackable defense.
Not "well the courts will let you win"
By the time you're in court you've lost.
Ian is a pasty faggot piece of shit that believes women should have rights, those rights should be defended by armed police, and males have no right to complain or have cute young girl children as brides.

YHWH disagrees.
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>>106137130
lol really? based

>>106137218
Meds.

>>106137169
>>106137187
>muh Reiser
Don't you faggots have your wives to kill?

>>106136989
>doing the jeet move of pretending to be white when the waffling didn't work and the larp was exposed

>>106137276
don't reply to bots.

>>106137420
Post hand or reference to software used to gather the statistics. That will settle it.

>>106135015
Such thing already exists and it is called Urbit. Everyone has a unique ID and it works on blockchain. By using the same ID you can use multiple services/apps etc. And since every Urbit ID(star) costs money, you don't see many bots.

>>106137531
Too bad it's run by literal fascist bad actors

>>106136268
Freenet been renamed to Hyphanet you fucking idiot. It is amazing how you can act like retard so confidently.

>>106134833 (OP)
why hyphanet over i2p or tor

>>106134883
too much illegal porn shit
idc for that so idc for it

>>106137690

>>106136038
>>106136067

>>106137641
Double based

>>106137715
You won't see it unless you want it, and you can still use the platform for everything else. Of course, npc's have no use for freedom so carry on boy.

>>106134833 (OP)
>what have you done this week in the fight against censorship?
I bought a 16TB HDD so I can hoard my own personal backup so I can enjoy the highest quality of content and infinite games in the post apocalypse.

>>106137531
Why not just use Ethereum and its L2s?

>>106137744
ok buddy enjoy your dolphin porn

>>106134833 (OP)
our contributions are quite different but equally important. i've posted frogs to 4chang.

>>106137757
Alrighty, just don't forget to eat ze bugs from ze pod and be happy about it.

>>106137801
No, I own a farm. I enjoy it. I even have berry bushes now!

But how the fuck do you actually USE it?

Once it's installed, how do I browse the huge list of shared files?

>>106137755
Urbit runs on Eth. That's why no one uses it.

>>106137851
>>106134883

>>106135341
So I'm supposed to use it, even though there's nothing on there I want to use?
If I want to "establish secure communications" how does me installing hyphanet right now help with that?

>>106137880
That kind of thing would be way too much for Ethereum, it probably costs a fortune to use it. It'd be a lot more efficient to just build the application directly on Ethereum with Solidity than use this abstracted operating system setup. No wonder it flopped, it's an expensive virtual machine built on top of a slow but secure distributed virtual machine, I don't see why you need to have two separate virtual machines instead of just using the underlying one?

>>106138047
You're only supposed to use it if you actually think you have a need for it. If you don't care for any of the things it can do for you, then don't use it. Very simple.

>>106137455
post what you see here. that will settle it:
https://pastebin.com/9mpHqW2s

>>106138013
That's a dog shit explanation, where are the actual browseable files? Where are the forums where I can say nigger?

>>106138106
Completely unrelated to the other issue.

>>106138114
Do your diligence. I'm not here to babysit retards.

>>106138104
You said:
>What you can and cannot find in terms of freesites right now is irrelevant.
But how is it not relevant? It becomes relevant because, at least from what you and others have said in this thread, there's nothing on there that I'm interested in.
You're saying instead that having it but not using it will somehow "establish secure communications", but how does it do that if I don't actually use it? Why would I use it as it stands?

>>106138114
All of FMS, nigger.

>>106138150
You said you're here to get people on Hyphanet, and now you've come up against some simple but unanticipated question you won't even explain why people should join.

>>106138152
Because freesites content specifically is completely unrelated to discussions on the FMS boards, or exchanges via Freemail, so forth and so on. If you don't have use for that either, time to move on.

>>106138227
You aren't telling me what kind of things are on FMS/Freesites or who's on Freemail.
I can't decide if I have a use for it because you haven't even told me what's on there other than CP.
I'll try it from another angle: what's your favorite freesite about? What do you like to discuss on FMS?

>>106138150
LMFAO

You absolute fucking cuckolded faggot

Epic fucking fail you dumb nigger

>>106138173
If my initial post on this thread and the information I linked to won't do it, I don't think I can do a better job at explaining why.

>>106138263
Freemail is just email. You use that with people you want to communicate to privately as opposed to publicly on FMS, even though both are encrypted and anonymous, and for one, there's a tech board over there. If a board is not available, you can create it. Too many boards to list, some more active than others.

>>106138263
I mostly discuss politics and tech (specially Hyphanet related).

>>106138123
>jeet lost

200+ comments of mostly jeet waffling, and not a single confirmed freenet (it will always be freenet) user, per >>106135785 and >>106136669

>>106138508
Sorry nigger. The only thing that can override your failure to reference the software used is a hand. No hand, no win.

>>106138530
why don't you just do it yourself anon?

>>106138578
fair question.
i won't be near a secure device for some time.

>>106138618
and how is posting about it on 4chan safer?

>>106138669
if you have to ask...

>>106134833 (OP)
Based chad freedom enjoyer.

Reading into the new Freenet (I haven't kept up with this shit for years), it appears it is a distributed virtual machine like Ethereum but is inconsistent by design by forgoing consensus and instead relying on each "contract" to have mergeable states such that once all states propagate to all nodes they all come to the same state (i.e. state changes are path-independent and can be in any order, like addition of state deltas). The whole small network model Freenet 2 has going for it is superior to Ethereum and other distributed virtual machines for path-independent programs and data storage, but the requirement that state changes have to not be strictly dependent on the order of past states really restrict the possible applications you can build on it (otherwise you don't have a consistent state across all nodes, which can lead to vulnerabilities like double spending).

Things that necessarily rely on a order of events like an decentralized exchange or a cryptocurrency cannot ever be put on this network due to this issue, but it seems like a great solution for things that don't really care about order like message boards or instant chatting. It's actually pretty neat stuff, but I don't really see it getting popular since most nontrivial applications are reliant on the order of past events in some way and thus cannot be built such that the states can be added in any order. Unless those applications are fine with inconsistency across nodes, this makes this whole solution ripe for all kinds of footguns and problems. It's more of a subset of Web2 than a Web3, it simply cannot replace the centralized web because of the lack of consensus between nodes.

Thank you for reading my rambling blog, it's nice to get my thoughts out everyone!

>>106134849

>>106138553
>jeet pretends to be using freenet
>can't do the simple task of viewing a freesite.. which happens to have an answer to his retarded "question"
it's okay jeet tard. you can tell your jeet mom you won an argument on the internet today. you can call yourself "<jeet name> Vance" while at it.
number of confirmed freenet users in this thread still stands at FAT ZERO

>>106138889
Hold on nigger, what are you trying to mumble yourself out of here? How's number of Hyphanet users on this thread relevant to anything? It's not that we didn't have threads before this one where people posted screenshots and stuff. What's your end game?

>>106138973
if there are freenet users here, how come no one could answer the trivial question about the current estimated number of weekly opennet peers in the network, which gets weekly published (or was at least) per >>106136495.
and all i got is this retarded answer >>106136519?

>>106139125
Most people posting on these Hyphanet threads are newbies. I myself don't take orders from random shitskins on the internet.

>>106134833 (OP)
I saw euromovies

>>106134833 (OP)
I liked beaker browser. What i want is something like that, with a searchable decentralized index of hyper:// sites. Maybe ways to organize them by seeders, tags, etc... tools built into the browser to publish sites and apps.

>>106139183
we already know you are a jeet tard, so you can drop the mask and go to your mum after your failed larp.
the real reason no one can answer such a trivial question here is because 95%+ of you are jeet tard tech illiterates copying what LLMs are shitting out in response to your shit prompts and spamming it here. and it just happens that LLMs can't answer this question. so most of you kept quiet. except you who thought pretending to be a whitoid who is above "newbies" was going to save you.

>>106139502
Again, reference to software used for the statistics or a big ole' white hand. Your choice.

>>106139550
>BUT WHAT SOFTWARE TO USE SAAR.
>OR I NEED YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER TO HELP SAAR.
>>106138889

>>106139654
Kek, this thread has definitely outlived it's utility.

>>106139738
This thread had utility? It's a bunch of not even remotely related bullshit and retards larping as experts, so a typical /g/ thread sure but utility? What the fuck are you smoking?

>>106135760
>Hyphanet is not advertised as a cp sharing platform, so it's ok if I host and distribute cp by running it
>The Silk Road is not advertised as a drug marketplace, so it's ok if the owner willingly hosts and profits from drug transactions done in his platform
>MegaUpload is not advertised as a drug marketplace, so it's ok if the owner willingly hosts and distributed pirated content
>Comet Ping Pong is not advertised as a child trafficking establishment so it's ok if the owner allows the place to be used to trafficking and abuse children
>Italian restaurants are not advertised as mafia hangout fronts so it's ok if the owner allows members of the mafia to conspire and do business there
Life must be so easy being as retarded as you are.

>>106140031
You're putting words in my mouth. Quote the real thing:

"Hyphanet is not advertised as a cp sharing platform, but rather as a tool for circumventing censorship, and it actually hosts all sort of legit, perfectly legal data including mere text conversations on FMS, yet you don't get to choose which data goes through your node.

Either the place you live in honors plausible deniability and presumption of innocence or it doesn't. If it does, you're not responsible for hosting anything any more than you're for financing your isp through your subscription which actually facilitates cp traffick by providing the very internet access service that pedos use."

>>106134883
I'm trying to get flip running with kvirc. It's hanging on login. Wat do?

>>106140031
>glownigger can't stop talking about CP and drugs unprompted

>>106140190
i know this doesn't directly answer your question. but (OG) freenet is explicitly not suited to low-latency use-cases. and flip was just a demo with no frequent users the last time i checked.

>>106140256
there is plenty of logged activity

>nobody posted the court cases yet

>>106135015
>The decentralized solutions never work
holy glowtard

>>106134833 (OP)
i never get the idea of "distrubuted hosting". DHT for peer discovery or content-based routing sounds brilliant but why would i want to host other people's random shit.

I've set up a permanet I2P router, I'll look into Hyphanet as well.

>>106135015
This guy right here is that one guy in your class that is super autistic and doesn't talk much, but then once he does open his mouth he spits the stupidest most retarded combination of words you ever heard. Something you couldn't simulate

>>106140073
>Either the place you live in honors plausible deniability and presumption of innocence or it doesn't.
nta, in most places the possession of csam is inherently illegal. It doesn't matter if you wanted to fap to it or not, if you have it on your computer you are breaking the law. If you have several gigs of csam on your computer and made no attempt of getting rid of it you'll have a hard time convincing the court that they should let you go, especially when the prosecution argues that you helped distributing it. With the current 'muh children' based push for more surveillance and censorship you'd be guaranteed to go to prison.
More importantly tho, even if you could get away with it, most people do not want to have a lengthy legal battle about whether or not they are child pornographers. It's something that will ruin your life, even if you are innocent in the end.

>>106141944
>nta, in most places the possession of csam is inherently illegal. It doesn't matter if you wanted to fap to it or not, if you have it on your computer you are breaking the law.

Nobody mentioned fapping. The issue here is illegal data (albeit encrypted) you did not deliberately request being allowed to use your node (what Hyphanet does in the background) vs an scenario where you deliberately download illegal data irrespective of intention. Plausible deniability and presumption of innocence protect you in the first case, but not in the second.

>>106136348
there's like one or two p2p chan scripts out there

>>106136348
We could have one on freenet. If we use the WoT system it would even be protected from clairvoyant panties

>>106142222
the problem is no matter how well meaning you are, running any kind of anonymous board on an anonymization network just leads to CP spam

>>106134833 (OP)
>what have you done this week in the fight against censorship?
complain about it on /g/ and reddit

>>106142234
Look on the FMS, it's fine. I was blown away with how clean it is, WoT is really solid tech.

>>106142234
Not on Hyphanet's FMS or anything else that uses the trustlist system. FMS has cp boards, but not cp spam being crossposted to non-cp boards.

>>106142249
>>106142278
i guess i meant more like an anonymous imageboard, like here. i guess you could kinda save your own ass by not allowing image posts but where's the fun in that?

>>106142130
In either case you would be guilty of possessing and potentially distributing csam, which is a crime almost everywhere and would lead to a court case against you.

>>106142352
you're doubly fucked if you're distributing it, too. they don't go after people with a few CP thumbnails in their cache.

>>106142286
FMS has multimedia support. But you're right in how it isn't anon since it's based on a pseudonym with a trust score.
I've pondered this problem many times and doing it "properly" would probably require:
>a system where you generate a private access key for the site
>you can prove you have it without revealing its contents(I think it's called zero knowledge proof?)
>this lets you post
>mods are needed since we can't trust evaluate a cloud of unknown access keys
>mods have lists of banned trust keys
>they're revealed and the posts they've proven are auto pruned by the software

Something along those lines?

>>106142352
They can send a takedown notice if they're aware of an illegal file chunk on my server, the same as any webhost.
Has this ever been tested in court? It sounds like a pretty important distinction.

>>106142286
Again, you can have cp-free image boards on FMS. People who spam, irrespective of the nature of the spam, are immediately neutralized by the community. That's how FMS has survived unto this day. The trustlist system truly is effective in preventing both spam and censorship at the same time.

>>106142352
If true, that means you don't have plausible deniability or presumption of innocence where you live, in which case you'd be better off killing yourself or not trying to secure communications at all.

>>106142352
you fucking retard. if the absolutisms you're confidently spouting were nearly true, no company offering cloud storage would survive for a week.
having (partial) encrypted data on your system you can't decrypt is not equivalent to "possessing" decrypted data, whatever it may be, no matter how hard you pretend it is.

So i caved and started playing with freenet seems chill but God damn the interface is something else. I know I'm retarded but how do you even find cool sites on it? I want all the crazy occult shit I can find

>>106142382
>But you're right in how it isn't anon since it's based on a pseudonym with a trust score.
Are you suggesting FMS isn't anonymous or am I misreading you here?

>>106142454
Go to the clean spider indexer from the front page and ctrl-f, there are other indexers but make sure they're somehow filtered unless you want to go running in a minefield.

>>106142454
Use the index (there's several actually) or the built it search function, or look for the FMS board where people announce their new freesites. Read the tutorial I linked to up there.

>>106142456
It's anonymous the same way using a pseudonym is. It's a semi permanent persona, so instead of "anonymous" you would see "fig_newton" or "bad_apple", it's name fagging by design but anon because your real identity isn't unmasked.

>>106142432
That's lost on NPC's and glowies will die denying it.

Some screenshots and videos of these forums etc would help introduce anyone to this network. What's the UI like? Traffic?

>>106142516
Semantic confusion I guess, but it takes a very long time for an id to become unannounced by lack of use. I'd say it's rather permanent even if you don't run FMS constantly (which you totally should if you can).

>>106142583
>>106134883

>>106134833 (OP)
what does this do versus ipfs?

>>106142595
Okay but what are the big forums? If this is another "town square" can we see it, or is it under wraps.

>>106142456
4chan not being pseudonymous is a real strength. I'm happy that no one can look at my post history from 2007 and try to get me with that shit.

>>106142620
Not reveal your IP address or what you're downloading without heavy surveillance.
So IPFS but anonymous, it also has IRC.

>>106142620
>>106142665
can't IPFS be wrapped around with Tor? i know The Permanent Booru used to run on it.

>>106134833 (OP)
>supporting pedonet
fed

>>106142660
It's the best part of 4chan and what makes it effective. The only thing that matters is your argument in the moment.
>>106142674
Doesn't Tor hate p2p traffic? I remember them complaining about bittorrent at least and entry guards doing PoW rate limiting.

>>106142632
The ones FMS subscribes to by default are quite active, but remember to let Hyphanet and FMS run long enough to get a bigger list of the available boards and be sure to setup FMS to download messages older than what it defaults to.

>>106134833 (OP)
>>106134883
holy shit
dumbest shit ever
did a fast research on that shit
stay away faggots
you are basically agreeing to host CP on your machine

>>106142681
Nothing glows harder than clearweb normies being scared away from anonymous, private, uncensored darknet communications by fake news involving cp.

>>106142729
you are literally giving them your PC to store whatever they want on it
they will store CP it's a guarantee
there are other darknets which aren't so conceptually retarded

>>106142660
It can be pretty permanent on FMS, but since you're fully anonymous there, no one can get you even if they find your ancient contributions.

>>106142754
The issue here is illegal data (albeit encrypted) you did not deliberately request being allowed to use your node (what Hyphanet does in the background) vs an scenario where you deliberately download illegal data irrespective of intention. Plausible deniability and presumption of innocence protect you in the first case, but not in the second.

>>106134833 (OP)
Hyphanet's protocol is inherently vulnerable to probabilistic attacks that leak the files the user is requesting.
Avoid it if you're looking for something that provides actual security.

>>106142780
Glow harder.

>>106142729
well, for a normal person it's impossible to imagine use cases for this.
I'm bought on this whole anonymity is good narrative but I can't find a single reason to use these alt networks, it's all about cp and you know it.
I'm 100% confident that I can find cp under 5 min browsing this shit because that's literally the only use case worth going that far to hide yourself, maybe buying drugs too but that's about it.
all I need is on the clearnet, there is no appeal product on these network even for advanced users so why bother installing this shit to host encrypted cp just to get on a list at every glowing agency on the planet...
all pedos need to meet the rope so I don't want to lend them storage and bandwidth

>>106142776
good luck explaining the inner workings of hyphanet to a judge
why would a risk it when there are darknets which do not pose such risks?

>>106142762
it's not THAT big of a deal. you can announce 20 identities and post from them randomly, or however you want.
FMS supports this as a feature (multiple identities) without needing to do any tricks.
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since we hit a different time zone. >>106135785 still standing.

>>106142793
Gee I wonder who is behind this post

>>106142838
It's been around for like 25 years. Can you cite any cases where this has actually been a problem? Because there are multiple public domain LE analysis of freenet where they don't even treat that as an option.

>>106142803
if you're in a 1st world country where there's no need for dissent, then yeah, this technology is largely useless unless you want to commit cybercrimes. cool tech though.

>>106142903
The future is not the same as the past
In case you haven't noticed they are cracking down on the internet and requiring ID to even access it these days.
Once this passes the next target will be the darknets.

>>106142423
Why do you keep saying this? Presumption of innocence means that you are considered innocent in a court of law until the prosecution can prove that you are guilty. It's not a legal defense in itself.
>you are accused of possessing [illegal thing]
>uhm yeah but I am presumed innocent
>prosecution proves you possessed [illegal thing]
>court declares you guilty
>WOW WTF

>>106142432
Companies work with law enforcement, cloudflare and child protection services to keep their servers clean of csam and they can still get in trouble if it looks like they don't do enough to filter/delete illegal content asap.

>>106142900
>for 23-34% of messages
>on opennet
What do you call analysis that's correct less than half the time?

People using hyphanet should know it's only a plausible deniability generator by default, but there is no analytical technique which creates credible evidence against you by itself. As opposed to Tor and I2P which will 100% break under timing attacks on a long enough time frame.

>>106142911
a good modern efficient distributed FS would be a great alternative to torrents. that is if it could gain a sizeable user-base.
freenet itself is not good for that efficiency wise, and there are no good enough developers working on it that can make it get there. but the model itself definitely has its usefulness outside of the narrow use-cases you're talking about.

>>106142838
>>106142911
AFAIK, there have been actual court cases regarding Hyphanet. The de-anonymization attack that a schizo earlier in the thread was kvetching about was a false statistical attack by Brian Levine.

Some search warrants were successfully pulled from the method in the US, but after they started to find that CSAM was not appearing on some of the "100%" positive samples, the charges were either dropped for those without CSAM found or were excused as unconstitutional for those with CSAM. In Canada and in the UK, the method was not considered valid evidence in all court cases.

If you want to read more about the errors, the current maintainer made a dissection here:
https://www.draketo.de/software/levine-2017-errors.html

>>106142924
companies can't do anything about encrypted data they can't identify retard.
your tech illiteracy is clear from the way you write btw.

>>106142920
Then worry about it in the future dumbass. Even in totalitarian bongland they don't charge you for things which were legal at the time you did them. Hyphanet isn't supposed to fix your government for you.

>>106142924
yeah he is retarded
prosecution will just go:
>He had encrypted CP on his computer and here's the proof
And now it's your turn to prove that no you didn't request this specifically, but it was just deposited there because the system works this way?

Nobody is gonna buy it

Not only do you have to explain to tech illiterate people how hyphanet works, but even if you do explain it, and by some miracle they understand, there is no legal precedent about this.

The prosecution might still argue since you agreed to install hyphanet in the first place, you implicitly agreed to distributing CP as part of the deal.

And now you need to prove that no you didn't know bad people would abuse it and you are the victim...

Absolutely no one is buying it

You are totally screwed

>>106142995
>companies can't do anything about encrypted data they can't identify retard.
it would be a shame if the entire protocole was owned and made by glowies ;^)
there is no such thing as an alt network that isn't an honeypot, they own all of them and globohomos police the clearnet for them (scaling issue, no gvt could monitor the current web, even china largely gave up on DPI and similar)

>>106143015
>And now it's your turn to prove that no you didn't request this specifically, but it was just deposited there because the system works this way?
>Nobody is gonna buy it
In fact they will and have bought it for 25 years. Show me one case in any Western court where this hasn't worked.

>>106143015
>there is no legal precedent
Yes there is, see >>106142984
>The prosecution might still argue since you agreed to install hyphanet in the first place, you implicitly agreed to distributing CP as part of the deal.
Hyphanet nodes are considered ISP's legally (moreso in the content provider website way, not in the Verizon way) and they have free reign over what they distribute as long as they aren't consciously deciding to spread the CSAM. The creators of Hyphanet specifically chose the node design they did because it satisfies the minimum requirements for a service provider and thus the protections it affords.

Things are a legal issue if you make your own CSAM and upload it, or if you reupload CSAM or promote a key link to it on FMS/Frost. Being completely honest, nobody other than pedo's use Frost, so as long as you stay on FMS you will be fine.

>>106143053
United States v. Gray (W.D. Virginia, 2021)
A federal case where the defendant was charged with possessing child pornography after investigators used forensic techniques to detect that Gray’s computer had requested three CP images via Freenet.

Gray attempted to suppress evidence, arguing the affidavit omitted flaws in the methodology — but the court rejected his motion and upheld the warrant.

https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/635371ed5358106ecd0d1b8e

United States v. Lance Wehrle (7th Circuit, 2021)
Investigators detected child porn requests from Wehrle’s IP address on Freenet. After executing a search, they found over one million illegal images, including exploitative photos taken in his home.

He was convicted and sentenced to a lengthy prison term.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-ca7-19-02853/pdf/USCOURTS-ca7-19-02853-0.pdf

Arkansas Case – Lyle Kenneth Smith / Earnest Dean Easley (2024)
In a federal investigation into Freenet, Smith was charged with receiving child pornography via Freenet and other online sources. He pled guilty and was sentenced to 74 months in federal prison.

While the DOJ press release does not explicitly name Freenet, investigative reports confirmed its use in this case.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdar/pr/two-arkansas-men-sentenced-combined-20-years-federal-prison-child-pornography-offenses

>>106143092
i mean i think freenet/hyphanet is shady these guys explicitly went looking for CP

>>106143092
>Gray attempted to suppress evidence, arguing the affidavit omitted flaws in the methodology — but the court rejected his motion and upheld the warrant.

If you read it, the court denied it because he couldn't prove the violation was severe enough to warrant denial of the warrant. This is because the defendant literally didn't bring up the idea that the method used to nab him was invalid other than "muh rights". The word "levine" appears as the source and is the sole justification for the arrest despite the fact that he could've easily disproved it. He defended himself without counsel. Retard.

Same with the other. He did not mention the other legal precedent regarding the invalidity of the Levine method. The last one got caught by sending an email of CSAM (lol retard).

AFAIK, there has never been a Levine-based method arrest since 2021 by the FBI. They mostly stopped it after the method kept on getting blocked in lower courts. A reminder that the FBI didn't stop arresting people falsely with its "torrential downpour" algorithm that was flawed for CSAM for years after it was deboonked (https://www.propublica.org/article/prosecutors-dropping-child-porn-charges-after-software-tools-are-questioned)

Did you actually read these, or are you just Grok'ing anything to save your argument.

>>106143214
you just don't get it do you?
you WILL go to court over this
and courts are fluid, nothing guarantees a decision
I want to skip the "going to court" part completely
But you do you and then you can post your successful legal precedent here and "win the argument"
I wish you luck

Its too slow. Also their user system sucks and they rely on hacky plugins but I'll let it pass because its the only real decentralized encrypted net.

Other than that its okay desu famalam. Don't know how someone is supposed to host videos or any loadable real content besides basic because its so goddamn slow

>>106142958
>but there is no analytical technique which creates credible evidence against you by itself.
What are you talking about? There are multiple cases where law enforcement claimed to have de-anonymized freenet users, and they have convictions oh those now. And the appeals that have been tried were rejected.

https://www.courtlistener.com/?q=%22law%20enforcement%20nodes%22%20&type=r&order_by=score%20desc

>>106143092
None of those are Freenet convictions. In all the filings they admit the statistical correlations are shaky as fuck, because they are, but they got a warrant anyway and were able to find plaintext cp on the offender's computer. If the offenders had good lawyers they probably could've got the case thrown out anyway.

If you're doing actual illegal shit on Freenet, you should participate in a darknet, and at the very least not leave evidence sitting around unencrypted. This should be common sense.

>>106143268
i guess in theory it would be faster if a lot of people used it

>>106143282
>In all the filings they admit the statistical correlations are shaky as fuck
stil not worth the risk for the average user

>>106143282
>those convictions don't count because they totally had plausible deniability

>>106143282
One that went to trial did try to attack the warrant. He was convicted.
And he tried to appeal saying the warrant was bad, that was denied.

>>106143295
There is no risk to the average user because they aren't stacking plaintext cp to the rafters.

>>106143303
They don't count because they're not Freenet convictions. They used Freenet to effect broken windows policing and got lucky.

>>106143248
>you WILL go to court over this
I have ran a Hyphanet node for years. I do it solely to contribute to bandwith. I have never received any visits from LE, and I live in a nation that most would consider to be only slightly worse than Bongistan in terms of Internet Law. Neither have the thousands of others that use it (3600 plus or minus 600 as of now).
>and courts are fluid, nothing guarantees a decision
That is factual, but you are ignoring that all of the failures of defense can be blamed on the defendant very visibly acting like retards in court, plus the fact that invalid warrants does not always equal evidence thrown out.

>>106143295
>stil not worth the risk for the average user
Hyphanet is not meant to fix governments. If they wanted to arrest anyone using the Darknet now, they can. You have to assume that they will at least keep things up without ID'ing, so that we can develop cryptographic solutions around clearnet surveillance. You should be encrypting your shit, too.

I also struggle to see how "adament CSAM user" is a "normal use case". I have met innocent people on Freenet's IRC who ran nodes during the Levine crisis pre 2020 who were harassed by LE and then cleared of any wrongdoing after they decrypted their computers.

In the Tor node world, US officials are known for being the worst of the worst in terms of warrants. They've raided node operators in the states for breathing, only to find nothing. The only Tor node operator charged with CSAM tried to fight his warrant without a lawyer. So did all of these retards.

>>106143335
Because he was a dumbass with no money and no lawyer.

>>106143356
???

>>106143356
some solution you fucking retarded mongoloid ape

'oh he had no money that's why this app was unsafe for him'

you stupid retarded piece of absolute shit

>>106143343
If you believe in "the algorithm", you will only get a visit if you are hosting something illegal on purpose.
If it's random noise and not real like some people claim, you might get a visit.

>>106143015
There is also the social aspect. Good luck explaining to your friends and family that you are going to court for being part of a child abuse network but that you are ACKTHUALLY a totally innocent good boy even if you are declared guilty because you didn't intentionally host those baby rape videos. Who the fuck wants to go through that nightmare.

>>106134833 (OP)
>what have you done this week in the fight against censorship?
I could never think of much I could do. I don't have the money to buy hardware to run for a cause like OP. All I can think of doing is writing essays on Substack to try to spread Free Software ideology.

>>106143343
>I have ran a Hyphanet node for years. I do it solely to contribute to bandwith.[...]Neither have the thousands of others that use it (3600 plus or minus 600 as of now).
how much bandwidth a month do that many users use?
>If they wanted to arrest anyone using the Darknet now, they can
and they do. it's also a good pretext to get the go to dig deeper into someone's life, it also can get your security clearance rejected (maybe not in the us but I know for a fact it's a thing in my country) because it's absolutely not a normal software to use even for power users.
it's an activist or pedophile tool, no in-between, if you can't prove your track record as an activist, you de facto a alleged pedophile in their eyes and no amount of copium can change this fact.
>so that we can develop cryptographic solutions around clearnet surveillance
this is a service issue, not a cryptographic one.
people stay in the golden jail of globohomos because it's comfy
you can't fix layer 4 issues with a layer 2 solution, you just need better services.
>I also struggle to see how "adament CSAM user" is a "normal use case".
why else would you use this in the first-world? I get it for universities (who run many tor/i2p nodes) but why would normal people risk everything for it?
>then cleared of any wrongdoing after they decrypted their computers.
why submitting yourself to a 24/7/365 stress over if glowies will be at your door tomorrow at 6am when you can just not use risky software?
>>106143444
it all comes down to this, are you willing to risk everything for some ideology? you never truly recover from false accusations even if you're innocent, you can't prevent people inner voice to tell them "what if...", people killed themselves after they lost everything, 100 % not worth the risk imo.

>>106143401
Let me break this down for you because you're clearly slow:
1st mistake: being into underage 3dpd
2nd mistake: storing it in plaintext on your pc
3rd mistake: using opennet to do felonies despite explicit instructions not to
4th mistake: having no money
5th mistake: being your own lawyer

>>106143444
Why does your family think you fuck kids?

>>106143574
>you never truly recover from false accusations even if you're innocent
Once again, how credible are these accusations? If the government goes around accusing everyone who uses p2p of pedophilia, how much weight does that carry? Maybe if your social standing is this fragile you shouldn't be doing edgy shit on the internet.

>>106143736
Yeah, he should have never used software that could have put him in danger.

>>106143804
To clarify you mean plaintext file storage. Because it's a plaintext storage conviction.

But it can't play a simple video?

>>106143850
don't use javascript retard

>>106143343
>I have ran a Hyphanet node for years. I do it solely to contribute to bandwith. I have never received any visits from LE, and I live in a nation that most would consider to be only slightly worse than Bongistan in terms of Internet Law. Neither have the thousands of others that use it (3600 plus or minus 600 as of now).
Yeah and?
For every pedo that gets caught there are thousands that get away with it
Still not hosting CP on my PC
Nice try though

>>106143858
It has sound but can't play

>>106143860
>you WILL go to court
>actually you probably won't
>actually most people do serious felonies for years and never hear about it

>>106143863
So download the fucking file separately and play it on your PC. Under no circumstances use JavaScript on anything anonymous.

>>106143794
>how credible are these accusations?
it does not matter, glowies at your door at 6am make you a pedo for life for everyone in this household.
>Maybe if your social standing is this fragile you shouldn't be doing edgy shit on the internet.
I do'nt real care if mommy believes me, I'm not building a career/family to lose everything over this, if I was paid for hosting it them I could make a point as people understand the appeal of money but out of good will for pedos and journalists in gaza? no fucking way.

>>106143848
yeah it sucks every time I forget to encrypt a drive I order off of amazon the FBI shows up at my house

>>106143886
Yea let me just wait 10 minutes to download a 17mb file that would take 1 second on the clearnet.

BTW this is a file on the main page of freenet that has all the traffic going to it and thousands of people viewing it.

>>106143888
Why do your wife and coworkers think you fuck kids?

>>106143915
it's almost as if freedom isn't free

>>106143938
And that's why nobody uses it. I mean if you can't even host files at a reasonable speed of at least 500kb/s then what good is your protocol?

>>106143923
they don't because I'm not doing anything that would make them think I do... that's the point of not using CSAM Network...

>>106143889
Lots of things become dangerous when you're an out of control kiddy fiddler.

>>106143965
If it's the CSAM network why haven't the developers been locked up? If the developers haven't been locked up, why do your wife and coworkers think you fuck kids?

>>106143995
>If it's the CSAM network why haven't the developers been locked up?
honeypot
>why do your wife and coworkers think you fuck kids?
they don't

>>106144027
If it's a honeypot why is there zero conviction rate after 25 years? If everyone doesn't think you fuck kids, why are you so afraid of vacuous accusations?

>>106144332
Their argument is so bad.
If I start a file hosting service and glowies upload encrypted CP to it which people download, how am I responsible?
They can report it if they find it, give me the file hash and poof.
How much encrypted illegal stuff is on google drive?
It's nonsense.

>>106136349
FMS won't build on my computer because of a CMAKE version. FMS plugin fails. I go to the hyphanet github and see a FMS replacement and it's experimental and doesn't keep post history. How the fuck do I install FMS? Also 16 people are in the IRC general room but nobody speaks there.

>>106144409
I downloaded the binary and installed a single dependency(on arch) and it just werked

>>106144383
>How much encrypted illegal stuff is on google drive?
Probably more than all of freenet by several orders of magnitude.

>>106144332
>If it's a honeypot why is there zero conviction rate after 25 years?
because they don't prosecute coomsumers as it would reveal the backdoor/0days/the fact that they run the network, just like how many pedos were released as the courts ordered for the feds to explain in detail how they caught these criminals.
they'd rather let pedos on the loose than to spoil their secrets, it's better to get the csam photos/videos that morons repost and to recognize the background or something to catch the actual predator.
don't get tricked though, all the pedos in the rooms are on a list too and glowies are waiting for the right time to catch them (it's all about money, even if they wanted to they could not arrest every pedos in america)

>>106144427
Guess I'll try again?

>>106144469
Ok but how is this an argument against making racist jokes on freenet? If they have to waste a hardware backdoor to roll up 100,000 racists, the racists win by attrition.

>>106143915
(info from until ~2021, recounted from memory. some aspects may not be accurate, or still applicable)
you can get very good speeds in freenet, especially with popular content. but you have to use real-time priority for everything. i used to even patch clients like FMS to do that. i used a cli tool i modified myself for downloads too. there could be "implications" with doing this. but it wasn't a concern for me. good "real-time" speeds also meant that i could grab files one by one in a loop, instead of having to "batch" everything and not be able to view anything, until some downloads start finishing....... eventually.
there used to also exist a patch for the node itself that "fixed" a couple of performance/speed issues in PeerNode and RequestStarter. high priority might give you passing speeds with the patch.
the lead dev of the time refused to accept such patches, or fix the performance in some other way. the performance apparently was fine before then, but he himself broke it with some non-working half-assed failed feature i forgot the name of. but i wasn't there when the "unpatched" node performance was good out of the box.
that dev quit at some point because he decided to have an education, and presumably a personal life. but i also left the network around that time. so i don't know what happened after.
----
all in all, i think it's fair to say that it's not easy to get a good noob experience in freenet. but you can have one or the other. a noob experience, or indeed, a good one.

FM's still won't work

>>106144869
I installed cmake3-bin and building from source worked.