>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC&diff=55476&oldid=55400

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X, 14400F, 12600K
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X, 14600K
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X, 265K*
Premium: 9950X3D
*Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
Budget single tower: Artic Freezer 36

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation
>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high-end: consider 2x48GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, RTX 5060 Ti
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT, Used 4070 Ti/Super
Workstation: used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>106074033


>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)
prev thread: >>106125981

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.
Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V). Win10 E-core scheduler subpar in multi-threaded loads.
Onboard audio: ALC987 - mediocre; ALC4080 (USB Audio) - immature; ALC1220 (HD audio) - premium, mature driver.
X870E: USB - M2 lane sharing

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>usecase
High end workstation, lots of compilation, multithreaded CPU number crunching, medium size AI
>budget
Up to about 5k Euros
>Country
Cyprus

CPU:
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 9960X
€ 1,276.47

NVME:
2x Samsung 990 PRO 4TB
€ 502.52

GPU:
ASUS GeForce RTX 5070 Ti TUF GAMING OC
€ 782.35

Mainboard:
ASUS PRO WS TRX50-SAGE WIFI
€ 596.64

RAM:
G.Skill DIMM 256 GB DDR5-6000 (4x 64 GB) Quad-Kit
€ 965.55

Total: € 4123.53

What do you guys think? Prices are from Alternate.de
Looking for components from a bunch of different shops might not be worth it, because delivery to Cyprus is always expensive, so usually just one shop is better.
Prices are without VAT, because I have a small company.

>>106136213
The 2 NVMEs are for dual booting Windows and Linux.

If you HAD to buy a gpu right now for about $1000 which one would you get?
One limitation is 650W psu (albeit it's decent one)

>>106136262

9070

>>106135827 (OP)
Question
What's the best budget gpu for LLM
I dont care about gaming
I mostly do music/video production

Will used 3090 be good enough?
Cpu will be ryzen 5 3600

>>106136283
yeah 3090 is good. just beware of gigabyte 3090s since they have bad vrms and tend to blow up. other brands of 3090s are generally okay

>>106136282
Will my house burn down if I go for XT? I heard it had some big power spikes. Or better not to risk it
CPU is 9700x so it doesn't draw that much

>>106136213
it will run crysis alright

>>106136262
Bet you wish you bought an 850w last go around.

>>106136303
If you want the 9070xt, then replace your PSU to at least 750W.

>>106136213
beware of the 990 pro's lacking performance in linux. sn850x would be better if you're not planning to use windows

>>106136308
That's good to know.

>>106136353
Thanks, I plan to dual boot, will look into the sn850x.

should I just wait a year until I build a pc and get into the 6090 at this point
I got more acute life things I need to solve (get money)
when will I be able to enjoy a premium gaming station?

>>106136437
60 series will only have drivers for Windows 11.

Is there a motherboard that can take two 3090s at the same time?

>>106135827 (OP)
Damn that looks cool af

>>106136213
Another point of note is that memory may not be stable at 6000. It's worth trying, at least, but expect it to need a manual tune.

>>106136564
zen5 TR supports ddr5-6400 as standard afaik
its got a more updated io die than consumer ryzen

>>106136283
Used 3090 yeah but be wary because they were all mined to hell and had inadequate VRAM cooling. Look into repadding.

>Intel shill snuck multiple cpus instead of just keeping intel as an asterik recommendation for value at the bottom of cpu section since the last time I looked at this thread a few ago
>This was done with no community input from the thread
>Still no warning about the driver overhead problem with Arc B580 that causes bottleneck issues with a bit older cpus and even recent budget options
Nice "unbiased" "community created" OP that is just being slowly turned into a giant disguused ad for intel. Kys and fuck this general

>>106136583
Oh yeah sure but I haven't been able to find any info on how AMD calculated that. Is it solely for 2x1R setups or will 4xDR work just as well?

>>106136510
Yes.

>>106136510
asus proart x870e supports two x8 pcie 5.0, dunno how much it would affect your workload, if at all
i think you'll need a fucking threadripper nowadays for multiple x16 slots

>>106136639
damn im sorry anon
i just copied it from the prev thread

Y-you did b-buy a 5090 to futureproof your rig, r-right anon?

>>106136639
Intel is consistently better at the budget end, you can get 12400fs for the same price as a 5500 and it absolutely rapes it

>>106136639
The recommended intel CPUs are fine though
Who am I kidding, you're probably the amd obsessed nicotroon

is win10 Enterprise IoT LTSC 2021 good for gaming builds? I heard IoT LTSC may have compatibility issues with some anti cheats

can someone help me with the fucking monitor settings, i just want to play my games but its so confusing

do i enable gsync and vsync in games? VRR is same as gsync? do i cap my fps to monitor refresh rate?
pls respond i dont want to read 16 reddit threads to find the answer

>>106136639
Not the OP but 14400F & 12600K are cheaper than Ryzen equivalents and the 14600K doesn't boost high enough to be a problem.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#F=98,102&C=1,10&sort=price&page=1

>Muh B580 driver overhead
Doesn't stop an anon with a quad-core Ryzen 1000 CPU from beating games.
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/completed%20intel%20arc/

>>106135827 (OP)
>16-core dual v-cache ccx coming
If this is true, AMD is gonna upset a lot of their customers

>>106136639
the only problem with those CPUs in the OP is that they are on a dead platform

so only a fucking retard would actually buy any of those

>>106136814
Sorry, AI miss, I bought an RTX PRO 6000 instead, so I can enjoy browsing the internet for another decade.

>>106136847
>upset a lot of their customers
X3D is positioned as a gaming CPU, and most games are too latency sensitive to utilize both compute chiplets.
Maybe AMD ordered too many of those CCXs, and they're opting to make something higher-end instead of discounting existing SKUs.

>>106136830
yes gsync is meant to be used with vsync unless the game's vsync is badly implemented and causes unstable framerates.
gsync is a form of VRR
use RTSS or nvidia's (not as good) built-in frame cap to cap your fps to about 3hz (gsync hardware) or 10hz (freesync/gsync compatible) below your monitor framerate for better response than capping at monitor framerate (tested by blurbusters)

>>106136851
>muh dead platform
Budget/value builders plan to keep their system for well over 5 years, and around 8 years of ownership isn't surprising.
By that time, it's better to buy a new platform.
Like people with Intel 8th gen CPUs being better off building a new PC atm.

>>106136847
I'm just going to keep waiting for zen6 12 core per CCD vcache parts.

>>106136883
its not even about raw gaymen performance with a dual vcache ccx chip, its that you don't need to rely on xbox gamebar or fafo with process affinities to prevent games from running on a non-3d chiplet.
this is the SKU that people have been asking for, not the weird 3d+non3d that AMD has given us

>>106136885
ok thanks bro, but do you mean i have to enable vsync ANS cap the framrate ot -3. do i need to do just 1 of those things or both?

>>106136902
>its that you don't need to rely on xbox gamebar or fafo with process affinities
You still want games to stay on a single CCX, this won't solve cross-CCD latency. It's physics.

>>106136900
he retard in 5 yeas you can buy an AM5 CPU for 100$ and that will be a huge upgrade

on a dead platfrom like intel you can't do that

kys dumb intel shill

>>106129009
I think its sexy. the holes reminds of fishnet lingerie.

>>106136910
do both
and do -10 if you're unsure if your monitor has a gsync module (most don't)

Hey bros.
So I've noticed that whenever I do what's supposed to be light tasks on my PC, like opening my browser and watching videos/images, my 7800X3D CPU temps would suddenly spike up to 60 degrees celsius (or occasionally even 70) from the normal 40-45 idle temps. Should I be concerned?
The only changes I made in BIOS are: limited PPT to 80W, limited SoC voltage to 1.2V (used to be 1.3V by default), and set CO to -20 on all cores.

>>106136918
So where are the $100 5800X3Ds now?

>>106136918
Those CPUs are fine for people who don't plan an in-socket upgrade. They will use that PC until DDR6.
You don't get it.

>>106136928
nope, thats perfectly normal for the 7800x3d

>>106136928
First ryzen? That's normal. They boost as hard as they can for stuff like launching applications.

>>106136928
That's just how modern CPUs work; it will instantly boost to the highest processing speed if it's worth the trade-off (heat & power spikes).

>>106136851
>dead platform
People who say this don't actually like building PCs I've come to realize.
Usually I can't wait to get a new board because you get better IO most of the time.

>>106136928
welcome to turbo boost
disabling precision boost fixes it but you also give up your single core performance.

>>106136928
If you set "maximum cpu performance" in windows power plan to 99% instead of 100% it disables the boost without going into bios

>>106136910
>>106136830
gsync/vrr on in monitor osd, windows display settings, and driver
vsync off in-game
vsync on globally in driver
nvidia reflex/amd antilag on, if not available use rtss or driver fps cap thats -2fps below your monitor hz

>>106136928
this works >>106136983
Sometimes I'm just annoyed of the ramping up fan noise when doing stuff that uses single cores, so limiting it to 99% eliminates this.

>>106136962
>dumb Intel shill is upgrading every new mobo chipset

>>106136283
>/chug/ tranny can't afford more than a budget pc
typical

>>106136847
Fuck my life bros I was just about to pull the trigger on a 9950X3D, now I gotta WAITtm?

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>106137029
jesus fuck why is PC gayming so fucking autistic

>>106137049
I upgrade every ~3 years
I have zero interest in keeping an old board, why would you want to keep an old board outside of not wanting to touch it?

>>106137049
If you enjoy your PCIe x16 being cucked to x8 with certain NVMe configs for the next 8~10 years, that's your prerogative.
It's only a sub 5% performance difference now, but the gap will only widen as newer Gen 5 video cards come out.
You're probably the same shithead who's crying about B580 driver overhead.

>>106136821
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/nicotroon/
>27 results
Idk who this tranny you have an unhealthy obsession with is but I think you need to get a life outside of this general. I just looked at this thread for the first time in a week and I complain about something I saw. Please take your mentally ill paranoid delusions elsewhere

>>106137095
>i must consooom

dumb fucking retard

>>106136262
none because any decent GPU for around $1000 probably isn't going to work in a 650W system anymore.

>>106137108
Tell that to the people who upgraded from a 7800X3D to a 9800X3D

>>106137121
no one did that expect tech youtubers

>>106137115
9070XT and 5070TI work perfectly fine on a 650W, stop being a retard

>>106136832
>>106137103
>Stop noticing the overhead goyim
>It is no big deal. Don't question and keep sending your money to intelaviv so we can buy more missiles to bomb Gaza children
We need to exile you out of /pcbg/ moshe. Fuck off

>>106137081
+1k rupees has been deposited to your account

>>106136262
5070TI Super when it somes out at the end of year

wont even reach 300W tdp

>>106137103
PCIe 8x is such a spook IMO
That few percent difference has always existed since every PCIe gen yet people had no issue with using 8x on their GPU because they used another CPU slot.
It's only now that people are paranoid as fuck about it.

>>106137081
saaaar, you need to change your MD5 when shilling, your boss is gonna get mad

https://desuarchive.org/g/search/image/Req1Zuzilo2iQQJbhVBOMw/

>>106137147
Always linking outdated Hardware Unboxed benchmarks. It's so obvious who's posting.
Funny how HWUB Steve updates 9070 XT benchmarks but doesn't retest the B580 on the latest driver & OS.
It's not Intel's fault NVIDIA or AMD doesn't offer an entry level card with over 8GB of VRAM.

>>106137163
People mess around with video card & memory OCs to get that last 3~5% of performance.

>>106136847
Maybe they fixed the latency issue somehow? Curious to see the benchmarks for this

>>106137103
nigga what the fuck are you talking about, my budget asrock has a PCI gen 5 M2
that shit wont get saturated in the next 10 years

>>106137094
this is just a catch all method because game engines vary and so does everyones display and machines.

>>106137189
>that shit wont get saturated in the next 10 years
There's still an associated performance penalty, and it will only increase if we're talking about buying a new video card after 8~10 years.

>>106136847
>No you can't just release something better, you'll upset people who bought early
>no you can't just cut prices, think of the early adopters
Holy fuck y'all get a new hobby if you can't handle things being usurped or things getting cheaper

>>106137208
>im gonna buy a new GPU for my 10yo system

are you actually retarded or just baiting now?

>>106137172
>It's so obvious who's posting.
Yes its very obvious that you're still the dlss pedo posting under your new persona ever since you got exposed.

Make sure to save pic related everyone. This is the truth about the dlss pedo and his sick mind. This post will self destruct in 5 minutes because he is friends on trooncord with the chomo mod that deletes these posts to protect him.

>>106137228
>Everyone who talks shit about me is the DLSS schizo
No. Get help.

>>106137225
What is the point of owning a platform with a drop in CPU upgrade if it's too old for the new video cards anyway?

>>106137228
based loli-chads living in people's head rent free

>>106137107
funny how you come to your own defense right after posting your pasta >>106137081

>>106137263
its called budget upgrading you fucking autisitc retard, please stop posting

>>106137318
It's called a false economy if you end up needing a new PC anyway.

so done with these fucking melting issues on my 5090. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones when my cable melted and whole pc caught on fire, I have to build a whole new pc. im suing nvidia and building an all amd pc with the settlement money fuck it idc anymore.

>>106137344
that is fucking crazy man

>>106137344
>suing nvidia
You have to prove NVIDIA & their board partners didn't offer an RMA or a refund to affected customers.
Many of these customers have been declining a cash refund because they want their 4090 / 5090 back.
Going nowhere.
https://www.classaction.org/media/plaintiff-v-nvidia-corporation.pdf

50 series world of warcraft rt driver status?

>>106137410
Fixed.

thoughts?

>>106137435
Your butchered neo vaginas status?
Unfixable

nvidia wuthering waves driver status?

>>106137451
Corporations are corporations. Imagine thinking AMD is any different.

>>106137452
Ask the Radeon card owners, it's a Chinkshit game.

i like this feeling

>>106137482
amd fixed the issue

where the nvidia fix

>>106137482
>new shill images ready to go at a moments notice to fight the radeon fanboys
You aren't fooling anyone and we all know its still you dlss schizo. You and the nicotroon both need to fuck off already for good.

i use green rgb even though i own a radeon
is that fucked up>?

>>106136847
>lower-tier variant
Oh so this should have zero influence on me buying the 9950x3d.

>>106137519
>amd fixed the issue
No they didn't. AMD Radeon didn't even release a driver update last month.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1m5qksl/unreal_engine_fatal_error/

Meanwhile, things are fine since GeForce 577 driver, latest one is 580.

Can someone redpill me on the KTC monitors in the OP

the specs look really good and its cheap.. is there a downside?
there a few reviews on youtube but they are all from retards who dont know how a monitor even works

>>106137403
>resident 4080 owner and truther gets upset at a shitpost
Keep on correcting the record

lol I have 0 issues with Zen, actually it's better in every conceivable way to intel but I found one bug thus far, Spotify on firefox cannot work because Zen lacks something related to hardware DRM.

>>106137529
You know there is more than one person who don't like the shit stirred up by a few Radeon trolls in /pcbg/.

>>106137555
>Check your undervolt. UE games are less stable than others when it comes to OC/UV.

>Lower your undervolt compared to benchmarks or other games to make it stable.

>From my experience, i had to go from -60 to -50 mv to stablize my experience on Wuwa. On some other UE games i even have to put it back to default settings

they fixed it by reverting undervolt

nvidia driver issue still not fixed, read the image
>>106137519 from the customer support of the game

What's a case that comes with quiet fans but also looks good

>>106137439
10 of those and you're settled

>>106137555
ESL. it's driver issue for nvidia

>>106137565
It's a thread to help people make better purchasing decisions.
>4080 owner
This isn't the insult you think it is.

>>106137482
>post's one user
This is you isn't it faggot have you thought about kys

>>106137553
re-read it again

>>106137583
>customer support
AKA low-level bitch just sharing outdated information.

>>106137595
It's a game dev issue not knowing how to work with DX.
>Crashes
>Change DirectX
>Use -dx11 or -dx12 command line argument to switch DirectX.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Wuthering_Waves#Issues_unresolved

>>106137600
nah you just want to make sure nothing bad could ever be said about the market

>>106137630
I'm posting facts, even linked to the class action lawsuit. Where did it go? Nowhere.

>>106137557
DisplayNinja reviewed both models; they are not perfect, but good enough.
No better alternatives at that price point.
https://www.displayninja.com/ktc-m27t6-review/
https://www.displayninja.com/ktc-m27p6-review/

>>106137369
what is? that particular picture was taken from GN's video of dissecting a 12vhpwr to see how it was constructed early in the rtx4000 days

>built my pc months ago
>psu has a "fans off" button
>accidentally pressed it when putting the pc together or it was like that bý default
>just noticed it yesterday
did i cook this fucking thing?
i don't have any performance issues but there's a strange noise sometimes and i suspect it might be coming from the psu

>>106137662
I don't think there's a permanent fan-off mode in most PSUs.
The button most likely sets the fan to spin up only when it needs to.

>>106137662
A hard off switch? Mine has an "eco mode" switch but that just acts like GPU zero RPM.

>>106137662
the strange noise is probably electrical noise aka coil whine which is normal but annoying

talk me out of spending $100 extra on the 9070xt nitro+ just because it looks so good
nyo the housefire connector is not an issue at that wattage

i have discovered a happy little mistake
you can make the entire hwinfo window mica with 'mica for everyone' on github

my sensor panel has been given new purpose

>>106137052
many such cases, sanctions don't work btw

>>106137684
If you settle for cheaper models, you might regret it in the end.
You don't buy a video card very often, so get your preferred model.

>>106137684
the pulse literally has the same amount of cooling as the nitro+
>>106125303

>>106137684
just get the model you like best and you will enjoy having your favorite model too

>>106137754
i know i know, it's $100 cheaper too but it looks like shit
>>106137709
sound argument

>>106137667
>>106137671
thank you for letting me know this was a thing
it says "zero fan" on the psu but apparently it's just a cool name for doing 0 rpm when it's not under heavy load
thought i had fucked up big time
>>106137682
yeah, i think that's it. watched a video of coil whine and it sounds similar
i wear headphones most of the time so it doesn't really bother me though

>>106137637
you don't care about facts
you responded to a clear shitpost
your facts are just a way if convincing yourself absolutely nothing nefarious is going on in a market you are emotionally attached to

>>106137081
our pcbg ritual poster right here

>>106137822
>nothing nefarious
I've responded to point out the fact that many affected 4090 & 5090 owners still want their repaired cards back instead of settling for a cash refund. That's the demand.
Those cards are still safe enough to be sold in pre-built PCs; it's a risk that major system integrators are willing to take.

Blame AMD for not offering any performance alternative to satisfy that demand.
There are more 5090 owners than the RX 7600 XT install base.

>>106137615
Why do you lie so much and why are you ESL?

>>106137921
>it's amd's fault that nvidia overprices their cards
Oh this bullshit again.

>>106137615
Who to trust? The actual game employees or some random fucking idiot on 4chan??

You are so dumb you lack situational awareness.

>>106137966
Projection. You're the manchild who posts tacky, AI-generated memes circulated in your shithole.

>>106137921
you're too blind to see the fact that garbage should have never made it into a product
pathetic

>>106137984
Why do you gain from lying you are so weird

>>106137984
You're the one gaslighting people going "don't trust the game support trust me"

>>106137981
>>it's amd's fault that nvidia overprices their cards
Uncontested market. $2000 5090 FE are instantly selling out.

>>106137986
Tell that to Dell and every other major system integrator that sells it.
Show me 1 PC building business that refuses to sell a 4090 or the 5090 due to this safety issue.
That Dell advertisement shows their prebuilt 5090 PC is specced to deliver the full 600W.

>>106138017
It's entirely the customer's fault.

>>106137999
>>106138016
It's the Radeon shitposter telling people to read the image screen shotted in April 29th.
Always posting outdated crap.

chat should I upgrade to am5? i got 5700x3d

>>106138037
The Nvidia driver issue is that old and still not resolved.

Also who the fuck are you talking to

fuck it, I'm buying asrock motheboard
I'm sick and tired paying for features I don't need just to get decent basics

>>106138037
See
>>106137982
>>106137966

You are so stupid that you lack situational awareness. Are you on drugs? You are mentally retarded? You can't tell who is who. You're hallucinating.

>>106138062
>still not resolved.
Fixed since 577. Referencing a Chinkshit game that affects different brand of GPUs, that's Radeon shitposters for you.

>>213471362
uff

is mini itx comfy for a normal build? All I really need is a midrange cpu (say, 9800x3d), midrange gpu (4070ti) and 2x m.2 nvme slots. Ideally I'd like 4 ram slots but I could deal with just 2 if I truly needed.
What am I losing aside from unreasonably sized CPU cooler and space for HDDs? I never really use those extra PCI thingies for extending my existing mobo anyway

>>106136353
>beware of the 990 pro's lacking performance in linux
Proof?

>>106138103
comfy territory stops at matx, anything beyond that is faggot territory
get that lian li a3

>>106138134
Phoronix, corroborated by an anon.
>>106018430
>>106020532

>>106138103
with sizes of current gpus they should make bigger boards instead of smaller

>>106138103
the worst thing about itx imo is that many cases are so compact that its a pain to change out m.2. drives, ram etc. requiring you to dismantle partially the pc to get at the component you're dealing with
>just 2
ddr5 sucks with 4 sticks so 2 is ideal
>never really use those extra PCI
then you wont miss having a full sized board

>>106138169
matx is a fat bitch, might as well keep standard atx at this point
mini is small enough that switching to it seems appealing
>>106138184
I haven't really done much research into it but I don't think a single gpu is an issue on m-itx unless you go for the truly monstrous ones like 5090
my 4070ti wouldn't be a problem for most cases afaik

>>106138176
I have my loonix on 970 pro right now
didn't notice anything
what about evo?

>>106138188
>ddr5 sucks with 4 sticks so 2 is ideal
nta but why?
I've been thinking about aislop-maxxing, given that moe models are slowly getting into "it's somewhat usable if you squint hard enough" territory - but 2x64GB is a bit tight

>>106138233
ddr5 pushes speeds so high that it can barely run a single stick per channel without transmission errors. using 4 sticks on am5, lga1700 & lga1851 forces a second stick onto each existing channel which distorts the signal even further and reduces the max speed without errors by a significant margin

>>106138233
4x DIMM DDR5 setup is more stressful to the memory controller that's integrated in the CPU (IMC), especially if they're dual-rank modules.
I've seen maybe 2~3 people here getting 4x 32GB working at 6000MT/s speed after manual overclocking.
4x 48 GB might be easier, but it's recommended to buy a single pack of these (if they exist).

>>106138176
>>106138218
the issue is with dram-less SSD's, afaik
>>106138284
isn't the difference in speed like 6400 -> 5800? not that big of a deal, though noticeable
DDR6 should be a lot better in that regard for a variety of reasons but it's still 2+ years away and you'll pay a hefty performance price early on

>>106138308
>the issue is with dram-less SSD's, afaik
No it's not, 980 Pro & 990 Pro have DRAM.
Buy something else if you need high-performance storage for Linux.

>>106138308
its more like a plug and play 6200-6400 to a "minutes/hours of FAFOing in bios required" 4800

I believe ddr6 will do away with 2DPC and abandon dimms for camm2

>>106137687
Sex

>>106138333
NTA but 980 Pro is a piece of shit, I had two of them fail 6 months apart on my server running in raid1 and they were both running the latest firmware that was meant to "fix" the problems with that drive.

>>106138626
its still happening? fuck
i thought i was unlucky for running one on the broken launch firmware and lost 100gb+ of data

>>106138176
Just update the firmware retard

>>106136902
The x3d+regular combo of the 9950x3d is a blessing. Fast cores for everyday tasks and x3d cores for gaming, best of both words. Also if your OS can't natively handle it you should consider dropping the spyware you are using

>>106138659
cope samtranny

>>106138659
show performance receipts of said "firmware", if it even exists

>>106138670
No reliable source has ever replicated these results.
Shit in -> shit out

>>106138693
>Shit in -> shit out
aka samsung i/o

>>106138343
>I believe ddr6 will do away with 2DPC and abandon dimms for camm2
DIMMs are fine, 2DPC are fine
The consumers obsession with unbuffered DIMMs is the problem.
Intel also had another solution called CUDIMMs as a stopgap but AMD is too incompetent to implement it.

>>106138659

>>106138684
>>106138670
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/samsung-990-pro-running-at-less-than-half-of-rated-speed/207006/14

Seething pajeets

>>106138640
Yeah, its fucked. the First failure happened to me in December, the host replaced it with a 990 Pro, the second failure happened this week and I'm in the process of also getting that swapped out with another 990 Pro, if it happens again I'm going to make the host use a different brand of drives because I'm not even doing anything super write intensive on them just some basic databases, if memory serves it failed with under 50TB written

when accessing smart data all it says,
[root@localhost ~]# smartctl --all /dev/nvme0
Smartctl open device: /dev/nvme0 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable

>>106138736
>different test
retard

How long do AIO coolers actually last?

>>106138753
Years

>980 pro mass failure
>870 evo mass failure
>990 pro mass failure

it never ends
how long until reports of 9100s shitting the bed?

>>106138736
Another retard who doesn't read the webpage content they link to.

>>106138738
yeah its best you do that
my 980 pro was the last samsung ssd i ever bought and the good news is that micron/kioxia makes better nand anyway and phison's controllers are very reliable.

>>106138753
6 year warranty is common, so probably at least that long

Nvidia bad

>>106138793
>kioxia
toshiba/kioxia is trash

micron>hynix>DO NOT BUY>kioxia>ymtc>s*msung

>>106138793
Recommendation?

>>106138800
With this level of competition, no wonder they can get away with so much.

Decided to build a pc just from used parts for a friend of mine. total was just a bit over 900€. How well did I do?

>>106138829
so far i can recommend corsair's mp600 pro and wd's sn850x.
i'd recommend avoiding sabrent since a failed sabrent rocket 4 pro 4tb and sabrent tried their hardest to not honor the warranty

>>106138846
It's fine considering the total cost.

>>106135827 (OP)
Any anons aware of a docking station that has 2 HDMI outputs that support 1440p @ 120hz? Everything I've looked at only supports 60hz via HDMI. This is for my work laptop setup, and my PC is already plugged into the monitors' displayports so HDMI is the only option without having to do a ton of cable switching everyday. It's not the end of the world if I'm stuck at 60hz, but really would have expected that a docking station can offer better in current year. Excel looks nicer at the higher refresh rate kek

>>106138849
On the warranty note the only SSD I've had to RMA was a SK Hynix P31, but they made zero fuss and provided the return label.

>>106138753
mine been running for a decade now, surprised pump is still fine granted they weren't that good back in the day

>>106138824
What about the leftover Solidigm client NVMe

>>106138451
sex indeed

>>106138849
Are the EVO line safe from this? I've only seen PRO mentioned. Was planning on going full samsung for new build as I thought they were the safest wtf. I dont mind sticking with WD as they've been fine in the past

>>106138962
they had a bug with sequential write that was fixed in hynix's firmware but solidigm flat out refused to do it

Is a 5070 ti and a 9800x3d enough to run vanilla minecraft?

I didn't want rgb fans and glass panel
but these are now basic features, so it's cheaper to get them

>>106138017
>Uncontested market. $2000 5090 FE are instantly selling out.
man as someone who works in pricing it's really alarming how little gen pop knows about it

https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads
https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-toolkit-release-notes/index.html

Nvidia CUDA Toolkit 13.0

UPDATE NOW

>>106139175
completely irrelevant to anyone here

>>106138868
My choices were grabbing a better cpu or grabbing the steal i got on that 6950. We will see how it scales up once he actually plays something on it himself.

>>106139053
depends on what resolution and refresh rate

>>106139250
STFU clueless ignorant faggot retard, AI image generation uses CUDA for best performance on Nvidia GPUs

>>106136517
>like 5 fans have no/obscured case holes fo push air through

I would have to take a drill and a dremel to this.

>>106139293
1080 60hz

>>106139301
>>106139175
cuda 13.0 comes with 580 drivers retard

>>106139348
Software has to be updated and recompiled with CUDA 13.0, clueless retarded ignorant faggot

>>106139368
stop talking

>>106136847
Lmao it's because intels nova lake is rumored to be coming with 144mb l3. They're pushing a drowing man back underwater

>>106136933
You waited too long sorry. Best I van do is 5800xt

>>106139347
sorry but I cant allow you to use that monitor with that hardware
gonna need at least 1440p 144hz

single tower cooler enough for 9700x? what about slight oc?

>>106136962
>you get better IO most of the time.
This hasn't been true since they normalized including wifi ON the mobo itself. Nowdays you're fucking lucky to even get 3 pcie slots and 4 sata ports let alone good io with the wifi hogging space on it. Motherboards have gotten worse while costing more money

So oled displays are just trolling?

>>106137141
You shouldn't have cheaped out. We have known you should overbuy your psu by 200w since the 3000 series. Just buy a thermaltake psu, 850w/gold, should be like $100

>>106139368
recompile deez nuts

>have a cool night for once
>9800x3d cooled down to 41 degrees
Now that is how I expected an AIO to work. Too bad this hot land will not deliver such results often but at least it tells me that:
1. reviews really shouldn't be done in just a controlled ambient temp of ~20C, maybe they should try 25+ as a second set of data,
2. my AIO install wasn't done badly or something.

looks bad

>>106139415
Just buy a thermalright peerless assassin 120 for $32 or phantom spirit 120 for $36 or an aqua elite aio for like $50. It's that simple. Why do people even look at other cooler brands anymore when thermalright bas been fucking dominating the ptp and undercutting everybody

>>106138199
>itx

>>106139524
cuz i can get a single tower from id-cooling for like $10 and it'll be enough for a low tdp cpu?

>>106137081
It might not have anything to do with the actual GPU drivers. I had problems with my RX 6800 recently and it was some other outdated Bluetooth drivers that was causing issues with my GPU. Got rid of the other drivers and the GPU works flawlessly again. Also recent Windows 11 updates have been breaking a lot of shit for people at times.

>>106139468
i didnt cheap out i have a platinum Seasonic 650W, that can go up to 800W no problem because its not cheap chink shit like a thermaltake

also a 9070XT paired with a 9800x3d pulls a maximum of 467W, i measured it myself with a wattman

so basically you are retarded and tech illiterate and you just parrot what you saw someone type on reddit

I am interested on buying a second house for a real 8k proyector?

>>106139615
He's the thread's retard, can't be helped.

>>106139441
It's been super hit or miss depending on the exact board.
Some boards come with the same amount of slots as older boards, just with more M.2
Prime example is my gigabyte z97x ud3h, effectively it has 2 8x slots and a 4x slot (the 1x slots share lanes with the 4x)
Z590 aorus master has the same, but also has 3x M.2 slots
now what has happened is boards with slots have increased massively in price. The z97 board was $120 versus $430 that the master retailed for.

Z890 unironically looks really good if you want slots. Even cheap boards have 3-4 useful slots plus USB4, temping since im not an erratic 720p low gamer.

>>106139628
9070xt spikes to ~500w on its own sometimes.

>>106139682
A decently built 650W PSU can handle that level of transients.

>>106139682
stop posting retard

>>106139679
I want real slots. I can add more m.2 whenever I want

>>106139707

>>106139606
>put stockings on a dude
>"hmmm yes I would consider sticking my dick in that" - brain
why it do be like that

>>106139741
>Nearly 3K errors within 15 seconds
>9900X3D
Kek'd.

>>106139741
that GPU is failing look at the errors, that whole PC is unstable
thanks for proving nothing i guess

>>106139789
I'm sure you'll be fine with your little psu.

>>106139741
>>106139799

>some pajeet put the power slider to 130% and put 500mhz OC
>card can't even pass OCCT

you sure told me

>>106138908
That's what you'd think all companies would do after you've spent $300+ on their product but is sadly a rarity
>>106138999
Their recent EVOs have a different controller from the PROs so they are effectively different drives.
As for the SSD failure thing, it plagued 980 pros only as far as I'm aware, though there are reports of rapidly degrading and on early batches of 870 Evo and pro SSDs and there's the thing with the firmware showing rapid drive lifespan reduction on early batch 990 pros.
Samsung has been a shit show recently and it's a coin flip as to whether their drives have a QC or firmware flaw.

>>106135827 (OP)
Best AM5 board up to 220€? I'm putting together a 1000 to 1500€ system for the gf of a friend, haven't built a PC since the 5800X3D came out, am OOL.
Pic rel made the short list, my favorite is the B650E Strix so far because they wanted a murdered black out build.

Dont fall for the Arc meme btw. Brand new B580 and brand new pc. It works fine with the generic Microsoft driver to just give a display but the second you try and install any driver it does this

>>106139741
>3415MHz GPU Clock
>Only 2790MHz Maximum Effective GPU Clock (extreme clock stretching).
Being retarded with your manual OCs, the 650W PSU didn't move that GPU Core Clock slider too far.

>>106139713
Yeah I do to
Not so much for M.2 but other form factors
You have no idea how much I want my SSDs on a card like this but this requires a full electrical 16x slot, not impossible to do on a desktop board in addition to a 16X GPU slot but I doubt any motherboard vendor is going to try

>>106139741
I have no idea why people OC their GPUs
you can undervolt and keep ~97% performance for 30% less power, ie it'll be very quiet even under maximum load.
Or you can overclock and boost performance by ~8% and have the thing sound like a jet engine, assuming it's stable in the first place.
Just.. why?

>>106139829
Fuck off. The anon's having a blast with a Ryzen 1000 quad core.

>>106139163
I mean it's not exactly a secret that 5090s only cost $400 or less in raw materials
The problem is that there's no secondary producer or alternative anywhere so it's pay to get it or get nothing.

is the CL16 ram no compatible with amd cpus?

>>106135827 (OP)
OP should have a notice not to buy any NZXT products.

Any better price / performance GPU than 7800 XT?

>>106139826
>Best AM5 board up to 220€?
it's all the same shit unless you need double full-traced pci-e (you don't), the only real difference is the amount of m.2 slots (irrelevant for most people) and the USB port selection
might as well pick which one's prettiest

>dlss 3 in 2042 looks like complete garbage
>dlss 4 makes 2042 look like a completely different game
wowzers

>>106139883
The old OP used to have that and warning not to buy from other unethical companies. Now its hijacked by an intel shill calling his OP "unbiased" and having a spergout if anyone else tries to bake.

>>106139826
pick one that looks the best

>>106139884
Yeah the 7900gre and the $600 9070xt but you're too late

>>106139491
looks like a capacitor exploded?

>>106139883
>>106139906
>Leftism Nexus told me not to buy this PSU because the company rented computers

>>106139906
The alternative threads are made with extremely poor quality.
Bad enough to get wiped by the jannies. Not our problem the nico faggot can't be normal.

>>106139823
Okay thanks

>>106139818
I'm sure your 650w will be fine. If it crashes what's the worst that can happen, you buy another one. Try it out and see.

>>106139868
>Instant hostile defensive response for the company he brand wars spamming the same image he used earlier the second someone says anything negative about an intel product
Why are you acting like the Intel version of DLSS schizo?

>>106139911
Not late, just might have a chance to pass down my current config, but can't find any better deals that I have now.

>>106139883
>>106139916
Yep, no nuance at all. Don't lease NZXT prebuilts, or anyone's leased PC service.

>>106139886
>>106139908
VRM Temps are not going to be an issue I take it?

>>106139854
Why is it so hard to just include 5 normal pcie slots like my $80 b450 had. I don't want wifi on my board I want a card for that that I can replace. I want to be able to add 10gb ethernet. I want to be able to add lagacy io like firewyre for my audio shit.

>>106139952
You are the one who is brand-war spamming.
The MSRP B580 is out of stock because budget builders still want them, and AIBs are happy to make more B580s.

>>106140002
>Post anything negative about intel ever = brand warring
Kys shill. One guy shared his negative experience with his Arc gpu and like you do everytime Someone says anything negative about an Intel product you've launched into a hostile spam chain using the irrelevant screenshots you do everytime. Im starting to think you actually are just dlss schizo since you act exactly like him. The only brand warrior ITT is you defending your precious Intel to the death in a Japanese sushi cutting discussion board.

>>106140160
Don't grab random images and blame it on non-AMD hardware. That's just sad.
Ironic how the Radeon shitposters used Hogwarts video clips of 12GB VRAM issues, none of their newer GPUs can handle UE4 RT.

Question for AMD people
Been reading about 9800x3d being a very hot chip and it throttles if not tuned and same goes with 9070xt

Is there any guide for me to read and learn what to do to maximize my performance and not having an oven pc?

Reminder that DLSS schizo used to say the same shit that he was fighting against some kind of radeon shill group he had imagined in his schizophrenic mind and thought of himself as a hero and was the self proclaimed "sheriff of pcbg". This is just his new persona shilling Intel primarily instead of Nvida while still inciting brand wars with anyone in the thread that owns a radeon gpu spamming screenshots of whatever game he found a benchmark for where they perform poorly.

>>106140222
Slap an Arctic Liquid Freezer III on it and call it a day.

>>106139826
Follow up question: Is Intel B860 good enough or should I shell out for Z890?
I want to give them alternatives for AMD and Intel.

>>106140222
bro the cpu doesnt even draw 100W, how can it be hot?

>>106140288
It can't be air cooled?
>>106140304
Mainly checking reviews and game videos about it. Many talking about undervolt but I don't understand will it not kill CPU?

>>106140303
>Is Intel B860 good enough or should I shell out for Z890?
It's fine for stock CPU operation, and maybe if you just need to set a lower power limit.

>>106140329
>It can't be air cooled?
Prolly can, but the Arctic route is the easiest.

>>106140237
We won't call you a Radeon shill if you spend the same energy picking out the flaws in your little team's hardware.
You can start by bitching at how Radeon can't sort out multi-monitors with different refresh rates without flickering.
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/amd-software-adrenalin-edition-25-6-3-optional-update.456891/page-7

NVIDIA had one of the worst launches with the RTX 50, but the drivers just keep improving :)

>>106140329
undervolting doesn't kill cpus, it just be unstable

>>106140349
240mm enough?

>>106140414
240 is minimum, as much as you case can fit is best

>>106140340
Alright
>>106140414
At least the 280, better the 360

>>106137604
OH I see. Though it seems it's still not going to be as good as the 9950x3d.

The latest Radeon driver breaks RT/PT on some configs, and their new anti-lag can cause driver timeouts.
But let's keep posting out-of-context screenshots to shitpost on other GPUs.

>>106140222
You retarded? Don't know how AVFS works? It applies to all PC hardware

>brand wars
all of these companies would eat you if it meant increasing shareholder value by a millionth of a percentage point

>>106140470
Why are you posting random guru3d forum shit

>>106140593
Funny how Guru3D doesn't matter when it's got Radeon users revealing existing driver bugs.

>>106140386
>>106140470
>Im not a brand warrior you are!!!
>proceeds to deflect and throw the discussion off topic into tribal posting with shit about Radeon drivers in hopes of further inciting a brand war
>>106140541
The only brand warrior in this thread is this intel, nvidia fanboy with radeon derangement syndrome who starts screeching about Radeon driver issues unprompted if you dare criticize his favorite trillion dollar companies.

>>106140635
GeForce Reflex doesn't cause driver timeouts while playing competitive games.
>'It's consumer awareness when I talk shit about non-AMD hardware'
>'It's brand warring if you bring up existing issues with AMD hardware'
Grow up.

>>106140622
That guy CP0 admits to going to mental hospital

>>106140655
The Nvidia driver causes timeouts in general as of todays date

>>106140386
>NVIDIA had one of the worst launches with the RTX 50, but the drivers just keep improving :)
Yeah you definetly aren't dlss schizo. Even though you think more about Radeon then radeon owners. Spam the same repeated phrases like he did, and clearly have an extreme negative bias against anything to do with radeon cards. Stop denying that you are a brand warrior when you clearly are. Your spergout this thread started just because someone said that how intel products are recommended should be changed not even that they be removed.

>>106140635
>The only brand warrior in this thread is this AMD fanboy with GeForce derangement syndrome who starts screeching about GeForce driver issues unprompted if you dare criticize his favorite trillion dollar companies.

>106140724
See >>106140718
This thread is full of mentally ill shitheads fighting for the different brands and you are one of them. No different. You all need to kys

>>106140718
>Even though you think more about Radeon then radeon owners
Keep the projection for yourself, you talk more about GeForce than NVIDIA card owners.
This thread is more civil without you.

>106140761
>>106140718
>Radeon's inferior GPUs will always remain the same.
Yeah that is definetly the civil comment of an unbiased participant in the thread who isn't just trying to incite brand wars with anyone who bought a red gpu. You are just as bad as the amd fanboys and need to fuck off.

>>106140792
Except I'm not the OP of those threads, more than one person is fed up with your bullshit.

White bros???? Is there a white ram/mobo bundle to pair with this???

>>106140883
Asus B650E Max Gaming Wifi White
Patroit Viper Hynix

>>106140883
Corsair Vengeance or GSkill Flare are the more sanely priced white memory kits.
The Gigabyte AORUS Elite white version is also reasonably priced.
ASRock Steel Legend board also works, Strix-A for ASUS.

Nvidia drivers BSOD my HDR display again...

I'm thinking of buying an rtx 4050 laptop, since I'm planning on running linux what can I expect?

>>106140985
Slightly worse performance and stability than an equivalent AMD GPU. It's not that bad. Though it does beg the question of why you're buying a dGPU laptop to run Linux? If you're not gaming on it you might as well go with an IGP.

>>106140806
>more than one person is fed up with your bullshit.
Interesting how you keep spamming this robotic phrase in hopes of pushing some kind of narrative to make yourself seem like a hero of the thread just like you did during your Enkidu DLSS schizo days but you're the only one saying it over and over. I'm not this nicotroon AMD tard you think that everyone who calls you out is btw. I find him quite obnoxious as well but I'm calling you out rn for being just as much of a detriment to this thread that needs to fuck off. You stopped using the same old images that you spammed for years but you are still doing the same shit just with new images and new robotic phrases, the fact you are using the 4chanx mdr hash randomizer on all your posts now so people can't as easily track you through the archive is just the smoking gun proof.

What I upgrade?

>>106141025
I will be gaming on it, I'm planning on dual booting tho. I can't find any amd laptop at that price point. I travel a lot so I actually need a relatively powerful laptop

>>106141031
I've recommended plenty of 9060 XT 16GB and 9070/XTs during the past five months or so.
This is (me), I give level-headed advice. I was right about RDNA4 and also right about the early adopter BIOS issues with new Ryzen CPUs.
Just because I tolerate reasonably priced Intel CPUs with no risk of degradation or a $250 MSRP B580 with 12GB VRAM, doesn't make me a brand warring retard like (you).

The B580 wouldn't be an easy recommendation if AMD or NVIDIA cared enough to provide at least 10GB of VRAM for the $300 9060 XT or 5060.

>>106141071
Okay that's fair. In that case you can just use Optimus to select the IGP for your Linux stuff (in fact it's probably the default).

>106141157
>Proves he is dlss schizo again by posting another image in his exact style using the microsoft paint boxes
LMAO what a fucking retard.

Would this be a sufficient build for 800 USD for 1080p gaming?
The mobo comes free with the CPU on newegg

>>106141180
Except DLSS schizo never recommended people to buy a 7900 GRE.
I recommended the 7800 XT & 7900 GRE to people.
You have an unhealthy obsession with him.

>>106141181
Yes

>>106141179
Ok, thanks.

>>106141200
>>106141200
>>106141200

>>106141181
I would get the Peerless Assassin or Phantom Spirit air cooler for that CPU.
If fan noise isn't a problem, that single tower will work.

>>106138103
9800X3D is high end. ITX isn't just short on PCIe. If you use a lot of peripherals, the shitty chipset will bottleneck them and cause malfunctions. That aside, SFF case thermals are very bad. Because there's barely room for fans and every component radiates directly into each other, they can all easily reach 90C under load, which will wear out their lifespan. Severe cases may throttle performance. I'm guessing that CPU/GPU combo won't reach that point if you assemble it right, but it's something to beware.

>>106141295
>you use a lot of peripherals, the shitty chipset will bottleneck them and cause malfunctions
Where in the fuck did you hear this?

>>106141597
This is true of 8k hz mice, they need to go to the usb ports directly to the cpu or there's input lag

>>106137684
The XT has 600W spikes THOUGH.