Thread 106140908

>new video game beta just got released publicly for download
>won't start unless Secure Boot is enabled
>entire game's Discord is just people asking how to enable Secure Boot
> /v/ has threads complaining about secure boot, thinking it's a virus

One step closer to enforcing hardware attestation on desktops. Our society is fucked.

>>106140925
At least you aren't forced video games. Meanwhile, banks and governments force you to install their mobile apps to access essential services, and of course, they all use Play Integrity DRM so that you can't runthem if your device is rooted or has an unlocked bootloader.

>>106140968
This is going to be enforced on browsers as well.

>>106140908 (OP)
So enable secure boot, what's the problem?

>>106141101
"People" on this site think it's secure boot is some botnet shit

>>106141174
It's going to get used to enforce integrity of your system by remote parties. Imagine a site forcing you to only use an allowed browser, goodbye libre chromium forks.

Is it the new Battlefield game?

>>106141174
more like it doesn't work with anything that's not windows or a few normie distros, and completely falls apart if you want the kernel to be the bootloader (efistub)

I'm not a pedophile. Does this affect me in any way?

why would a game need secure boot

>>106140925
You can still use Linux on secure boot. Jesus fucking christ this board is dogshit.
>>106141101
People are genuinely retarded and schizo and don't understand how SecureBoot works.

>>106141501
DRM, anticheat, attestation

>>106141551
>You can still use Linux on secure boot. Jesus fucking christ this board is dogshit.
Too bad that in the near future nothing is going to respect your choice of OS thanks to remote attestation

>>106141326
sbctl works on any distro

>>106140908 (OP)
Zoomers don't know shit about computers. They're downloading their rootkit and doing this shit.

>>106141581
You're fucking retarded and the idea of remote machines / timesharing is nothing new. Literally most people started off with remote based console before personal computers became reasonably priced. Regardless remote machines has always been a thing in enterprise even before MUH CLOUD.

>>106141566
don't they all already implement kernelspace utilities? isn't it enough?

>>106141613
Secure boot prevents rootkits.

>>106141101
There's people that have Windows 11 installed with legacy MBR. Enabling Secure Boot causes Windows not to boot unless you convert your installation.

>>106141617
Do you even know what remote attestation is?
Let's say you want to connect somehere you have to cryptographically prove you booted an untampeted OS under secure boot, that's what TPM is for.
Let's say you booted the OS under secure boot, now it can run processes inside VBS enclaves and there's nothing you can do touch these processes, no code injection, no hooks, no modification, nothing.
This is the use case here.

>>106141632
Kernel anticheat is ineffective. That's why they need a hardware approach based on isolation.

>>106140968
Tell them fuck off

> In 2011, Microsoft announced that computers certified to run its Windows 8 operating system had to ship with Microsoft's public key enrolled and Secure Boot enabled, which implies that using UEFI is a requirement for these devices

That's enough. Not enabling your shit, glowie.

>>106141688
Why the fuck is anyone still playing competitive slop? Jesus christ

>>106140908 (OP)
use case?

>>106141710
normal people don't think about what they consume

>>106141694
As if I had a choice. Here in France, the France Identité app isn't really required for anything yet, but pretty much all banks force you to use their mobile apps for 2FA. Apparently TOTP and CTAP authenticators aren't good enough for them. And no, I can't just tell banks to "fuck off" because I'm not a NEET who gets to leech on his parents.

The beginning of the end. Normie games requiring secureboot (and in due course TPM, after win10 support is forcibly dropped from microSAAR pressure). Need a VPN to bypass age verification to access content (((they))) deem harmful to children (read, more surveillance). News about protests and boatwogs is censored on social media. It's unironically only going to get worse.

>>106141688
Until the day this stuff is broken and proven to be innefective as well, then what?
This shit is a never-ending slippery slope, and the endgame is all devices becoming cloud-based dumb terminals and you're required to give an iris scan, a blood sample and a picture of your poophole to log in.

>>106141688
it's effective to a degree. there are hardware cheat setups that can go around it, but for the most part it's pretty good for catching vast majority of cheats. (i'm against it and no longer play anything that requires it, just saying)

All OEM Windows PCs have had secure boot enabled since Windows 8.0 13 years ago. This is a schizo sperg problem only.

>>106141820
>Until the day this stuff is broken and proven to be innefective as well, then what?
They'll send a guy who smells like shit and has a thick accent to your home to ensure that you don't use any suspicious software. He'll also inspect your whole home and stand behind you, breathing on your neck, while you play to make sure no cheats are used.

>>106141820
>Until the day this stuff is broken and proven to be innefective as well, then what?
You're acting like security can't improve every time it gets broken, it does all the time. It's going to be a pain in the ass for the end user. We had relative freedom before that shit, now we're at the mercy of security researchers and their ability to continuously break shit.

>>106141848
11 IOT LTSC has it disabled by default.

solution: cheating unexpected and part of the game

>>106141551
No you can't. M$ signs some bootloader stub and anyone who cares about attestation will say that stub doesn't go far enough, especially because you can mokutil sign anything haram anyway. It will be niggerlisted.

When they say secureboot, they mean M$ signed bootloaded Windows with signed early boot EFI modules.

>>106141848
You don't understand what they can do once it gets adopted enough.

>>106141632
People learned they could early boot efi shit that won't get unloaded and use that to do cheats outside of the purview of the Windows kernel and any shitware anticheat. They keep playing cat and mouse and the ultimate cat will be full hardware attestation where your only escape will be exploits against valid signed drivers and hardware and praying.

jesus christ, we had all these discussions over 13 years ago and anyone with a brain realised this shit is just more control measures being forced upon us

>>106142037
To be fair there is nothing wrong with them in theory. In practice though, these tools are used to secure the device from the user.

>>106141953
>They keep playing cat and mouse and the ultimate cat will be full hardware attestation where your only escape will be exploits against valid signed drivers and hardware and praying.
Not even that, thanks to isolation you won't be able to do shit even if you're ring0, gotta pwn the hypervisor.

>>106141883
Aka a Windows release designed for ATMs and Self checkouts, not normal desktop use, proving my point. Microsoft is going to crack down hard on LTSC people who think they found a "loophole". Nvidia is already not supporting LTSC until 2032.

>>106141688
i don't get it. how does it help if you can still load modules from userspace after boot? if it does enforce signatures even after the boot then why is it called "secure boot" anyway
the only reasonable case i can think of is maybe preventing hypervisor tricks? but not sure if thats even related.

>>106142162
Kernel level anti cheat authorized by Microsoft allows system level access to monitor for cheats. Secure Boot makes it so cheats can't install themselves at the kernel level.

>>106142176
microsoft can barely manage the scheduler, how can you expect them to manage anticheat authorisations

>>106142216
Because they already do and have done so for a decade.

https://youtu.be/U7VwtOrwceo?feature=shared
This is what is coming to Windows PCs once pluton is in enough devices!

>>106142227
Poorly as any game with pvp or a financial incentive in pve has shown.

>>106140925
yay, can't wait to have locked bootloaders and no admin rights on my own computer "for my security" just like on android

>>106141609
i don't think distros use a prebuilt version of it, so it works but isn't signed
same with grub
you can steal it (or use grub while you're at it) from another distro i guess and make your package manager unhappy?
still breaks efibootmgr

>>106142828
https://wiki.cachyos.org/configuration/secure_boot_setup/
Another CachyOS win

This was solved years ago. Get an iPad for normie stuff. Banking, streaming, etc.

>>106141746
DRM everywhere, as simple as.
that's the ultimate goal since windows 8 when they became the secure boot jailer and strong armed the entire world to use their own PK/KEK/DB/DBX.
btw the PK and certs in DB/DBX are expiring in 2026 so many computers won't boot in secure boot more unless updated by the user or motherboard manufacturer.
I wonder why no one is talking about this funny shitshow currently in the making.

>>106141789
here in my country they are phasing out PIN cards and devices and you have to use some shitty app. by law.

>>106141919
nta, but I'm running both fedora and debian with secureboot enabled. You can run many linux distros with secureboot.

>>106141640
luh
a
mao

no idea what game this is, but I'm covered.

Figured it out, it's Battlefield 6
May as well see what it's like

>>106142162
>Virtualization-based security, or VBS, uses hardware virtualization and the Windows hypervisor to create an isolated virtual environment that becomes the root of trust of the OS that assumes the kernel can be compromised.

>One such example security solution is memory integrity, which protects and hardens Windows by running kernel mode code integrity within the isolated virtual environment of VBS. Kernel mode code integrity is the Windows process that checks all kernel mode drivers and binaries before they're started, and prevents unsigned or untrusted drivers or system files from being loaded into system memory. Memory integrity also restricts kernel memory allocations that could be used to compromise the system, ensuring that kernel memory pages are only made executable after passing code integrity checks inside the secure runtime environment, and executable pages themselves are never writable. That way, even if there are vulnerabilities like a buffer overflow that allow malware to attempt to modify memory, executable code pages cannot be modified, and modified memory cannot be made executable.

A vulnerable driver gives you nothing you can do to modify process behavior in such case.

game "devs" can play cat and mouse with cheat devs who get paid 10x more forever or just remove the ELO ranked nonsense and rid 90% of cheaters. But they don't really care about cheating, they just want to fight it for a couple of weeks/months to get as many players in as possible, and then they just let it get raped by rage hacking trannies and hvhers

>>106142162
The point is that the OS knows everything that's loaded. It can provide the anti cheat software with a complete list of everything that's running and then the anti cheat can decide whether anything on the list is unacceptable.

It's a game by EA, obviously it's just to control your shit lmao

>>106141658
How's that even possible? Can you install Windows 11 without secure boot? My understanding is that secureboot and TPM is required.

>>106143770
Cheating in games has nothing to do with rankings, it's rampant even in games that don't have leaderboards.

>>106143828
my most recent no-bloat install works perfectly fine everywhere without it

>>106143869
That's not normal Windows 11. That's kiosk crap.

>>106143828
retards use bypasses then wonder why their shit doesn't work

>>106143829
surely getting kids addicted and needlessly focused on making some number on their screen bigger doesn't incentivize cheating and create an entire industry around growing that number for money
if someone cheats in a casual game it either doesn't matter or is doing it just for lulz, otherwise your game is not casual but competitive (worthless trash)

>>106140925
What’s wrong with hardware attestation?

>>106143930
Our computer.

>>106143828
You can. It's just that everything that requires attestation is going to refuse to work.

>>106143930
Any online service can dictate what you can run on your computer.

>>106143883
Same SKU as the LTSC enterprise, was just easier to grab. If you don't use that version of Windows enjoy your bloat.

>you will enable ze secure boot
>you will update ze drivers
>you will obey and you will be happy
>but only if you pay $99 first :)

>>106143542
Your OS is contaminated. Please install antiwirus.

>>106144059
Hmm?

>>106144068
He's an anti-vaxxer. Ignore him.

>>106143803
>be hardware cheat
>larping as a sound card
>NOTHING TO SEE HERE
>Keep cheating

>>106144084
and you're loading this alleged soundcard with which signed driver?

>>106144021
Enterprise requires TPM and secureboot, only IOT which is meant for kiosks and specialized devices does not.

>>106144068
Sir install the antiwirus and update your Microsoft immediately.

Cheaters are colossal faggots.

>>106140908 (OP)
>> /v/ has threads complaining about secure boot, thinking it's a virus
kek
I hope this world will end soon

>>106141174
retards like you should be shot dead

>>106144120
Okay sir doing it now

>>106144115
Yeah, that's exactly why I got that - no bloat. Works well.

>>106140925
>Our society
Absolute fucking retarded faggot

>>106141883
Its a motherboard setting not a windows setting dumbass

>>106144176
Thank you sir

>>106144152
It's a threat to freedom of computing

>>106141192
Finally, all those freetards with their autistic, schizophrenic forks can fuck off and die instead of spamming about it whole day.

>>106144226
You're free to use your own keys, dumbass

>>106144084
Vanguard and Faceit catches your ass before you even queue kek

>>106141326
Learn to sign your shit, retard.

>>106144349
They are free to refuse the attestation of such.

>>106140908 (OP)
I knew /v/ was retarded, but wow.

>>106143803
yes but the thing is if you can manipulate the OS itself, that would also mean you can control its actions.
my question was:
>even if "secure boot" prevents users from compromising their kernel in boot process, how is it beneficial if users can still compromise the kernel at runtime?
from my understanding (see >>106143682) secure boot is more like a prerequisite and it would be meaningless without virtualization and other measures.
however thats very windows specific, i wonder how do linux compatible anti-cheats like easycheat handles it (or cant)

>hurr durr you can still boot linux
Yes, retards, but the game won't work because you didn't boot a "trusted" OS. This shit is going to be SafetyNet for the desktop and retarded gamers will be happy to use it to access their bing bing wahoo, once it gets normalized it will spread to other stuff like how Google tried to add a hardware attestation API to Chromium.

There's not a single one of these competitive anti-cheat requiring games that's good or worth your time.

>>106141640
Microsoft will literally sign your fucking rootkit for you, retard

Secure Boot just exists to reinforce the Windows Desktop monopoly.
>B-But you can enroll your own keys
99.9% of users don't know how to do that and won't bother to learn. Linux distros have to ship their own MS signed bootloader for them to work out of the box on 99% of modern hardware. It's such a fucking joke. Even a "small" hurdle can reinforce a monopoly.

>>106145192
but how am i supposed to talk to my friends if i don't follow current thing

>>106145299
Anyone can load their own keys. It is free. The market is free. Anyone can make deals with manufacturers to get their keys added, or they could start their own business reselling hardware with keys installed. Stop expecting businesses to do things for free. The purpose of society is profit, retard.

>>106140908 (OP)
Gamers are stupid and that's why we have to keep them away from linux, anything new?
But is there more of context?
Is it one of these big normie games?

These shit games have built in cheats in the form of aim assist and a myriad of casual game mechanics

imagine just giving server binaries and letting the hobbyists host their own servers and police themselves and they get to ban hackers instantly after responsible demo reviews and spectatorship like in the olden days

>BUT MUH CORRUPT POWER TRIPPING SERVER ADMINS
congrats now theres only one fucking corrupt corporate admin who doesnt even play the game with one set of rules and theres no fucking escape at all and cheaters take days, weeks, months to get banned (if at all). you played yourself

Community servers is the only anticheat that has ever worked and will ever work.

>>106145333
>The purpose of society is profit

>>106140908 (OP)
Yes, /v/ermin are retards. But a game should not demand changes in your BIOS/EFI.

>>106141820
Making cheating harder makes cheating harder.
>b-but it's not completely gone that's the same as 100% cheating
Is what an idiot would think.

>>106141782
>>106141710
>your not allowed to play games anymore because I think modern computers are a tool made by the CIA to turn you gay
It's weird that normalfags don't care about what you think.

>>106145421
>and police themselves
>doesn't really work against careful cheaters who don't go full rage hacking mode
>shitty server jannies ban you for getting lucky once
People with excessive server browser nostalgia weren't actually around when those were a thing.

>>106145543
read the post before replying you stupid nigger

>>106141174
How much are the big tech companies paying you to shill their BIOS level malware?

>>106143542
>This setting is managed by your administrator
You've got a malware infection.

>>106143828
>Can you install Windows 11 without secure boot?
Retard doesnt even know about rufus
LMAO

>>106145835
No, it’s called Local Group Policy dum dum

>>106140925
>>106140968
>>106141039
>>106141694
>>106142760

>hardware attestation
>ID checks
>real people on real devices
>"OMG my heckin' privoocy!!11!"

>no hardware attestation
>no ID checks
>bots flooding the internet
>"OMG le ded internets theory!!1!"

why there are people like this?
i wonder what kind of porn do these people like to watch?

>>106142134
>Nvidia
You get what you deserve.

>>106141551
this, SecureBoot and TPM is pretty based if you're able to set it up correctly with unified kernel images
>>106141581
meds

>>106145278
nigga just nuke the MSFT key and enroll your own

Microjeet trying its best to hold on to its bit of marketshare

>>106143393
>>106147132
Circumcised cucks

neutralpilled poster here
it doesn't change anything
>schizos that don't trst SB/TPM and microsoft-signed shit will never enable it and they will avoid the game anyway since it's just battleslop6 (reminder they haven't made a single good game since bf4) so nothing of value was lost
>win11 goymers that had SB already pre-enabled have nothing to worry about
>all those who are still in the middle will either join the first or the second group
in other words the game is gatekeeping itself from schizos while actual shabbos goys get to enjoy another $PRODUCT

did I get it right?

>>106147149
>protect against bootkits
>protect against evil maid attacks against unsecured kernel partition on otherwise FDE drive
>using a personal key enrolled in UEFI, not using microslop key
>have not lost a single minute of productivity or functionality
>somehow foreskinless cuck

care to explain or can I just tell you to take your meds?
Oh yeah, I should mention I don't game on linux and bitching against secureboot because muh gaming is retarded. You just lack the skill level to get it implemented. Or take it up with the cheaters because they're the cause of this.
>inb4 globohomo remote attestation frog boil
M E D S

>>106147214
>(reminder they haven't made a single good game since bf4)
reminder that BF3 was balls to the wall good

>did I get it right?
Yeah, I think you did, but you make it sound based to enforce SB

>>106140908 (OP)
>/v/ has threads complaining about secure boot, thinking it's a virus
it is. no one needs it.

>>106147223
Take your pills circumcised retard, secureboot doesn't protect against anything

>>106147264
okay nigger take your meds

>>106147241
you too

>>106147233
>reminder that BF3 was balls to the wall good
I agree, at least in the maps department it's just a straight up superior game, rush was also better
>you make it sound based to enforce SB
not I'm not really
nobody can enforce shit, make your own personal informed decision, obviously the majority of "gamers" (read: low iq low impulse control cattle) can't wait to put their hands on the game so they will comply with whatever daddy EA said
if you don't care about $PRODUCT then it's not an issue for you
besides, it's not like pc is the only way to play the game, you can use a gamepad on pc too so consoles are an option

>>106147284
Mouthbreather takes placebo pills to cope with its retardation

>>106141919
https://web.archive.org/web/20250222202143/https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/10pq74e/my_easy_method_for_setting_up_secure_boot_with/

i got no secure boot errors starting the beta, and my arch install, and grub works just fine after just signing the images.

>>106144115
i dualboot w11 enterprise, i didn't have secureboot until yesterday, i primarily boot arch linux with kde plasma, all i did was sign grub and arch, and now i can still use grub to boot arch, and if im gaming, i just select windows boot manager in grub.

>>106143883
>sees debloated better functioning system
>NOOOOOOOOOO That's kiosk crap!!!!!
kek

>>106147290
cheaters are fucking cancer online and taking measures against them is good. I don't buy into the privacy concerns there are with SecureBoot since you can use your own keys, the rest can be either categorized as skill issue or schizo like you said yourself. There are some legit edge cases that are negatively impacted by the requirement like steam deck players, but I accept those as growing pains going from windows monopoly towards linux gaming. In 5 years any linux gaming distro will come with Secureboot enabled by default, with MOK or shim keys, and maybe BF6 can run on there. and the hardware will follow suit.
Gaming is a big business and they're implementing measures to keep it enjoyable. That's just how it is nowadays.

>>106147422
>cheaters are fucking cancer online and taking measures against them is good.
while this will probably protect you from retarded kids running cheats shitting up the matchmaking, it won't protect you from
>DMA cheaters (maybe)
>getting raped by console players that essentially use legal cheats with aim assist (or pc players with gamepad since like in bf2042 they will also get lower recoil, rotational aim assist (the strongerst aim assist feature by far, it's the thing that let's you target other people by simply moving the "left" aiming stick, it does all the tracking for you), aim slow-down)

anyway I think it's retarded that you even have to do this in the first place, like people just want to play a video game not mess with their settings you see where I'm getting at
most people are not really concerned about privacy (since it doesn't exist anyway), the issue is the fact that you have to do this in the first place, if they implemented in a more user friendly way where one setting in windows was enough most people wouldn't even talk about it and the small schizo minority won't be that big of a deal

>>106146881
only the finest cunny and /ss/, but I don't know what does that have to do with this issue

>>106147850
>muh privoocy (a.k.a paranoid pedophilia)
>hates bots and glowies
>loves cunny

pottery.

I've always had Secure Boot enabled, even on custom built desktops, even with Linux, since I know what it is, I care about my computer boot process integrity, and I'm not retarded.

Threads like this one and the one I've seen in /v/ shows how technologically retarded most of this place is. You just parrot whatever memes you heard on /g/ and you think you're smarter than the average normie. You aren't.

>>106140908 (OP)
>the videogame in question is Battlefield 6
kek no thanks

>>106147889
The tech illiterate cucksplainer

>>106141820
That’s their ideal

What a disaster of a thread

remove gacha shit and matchmaking and cheating won't be a big deal anymore

>>106143393
>>106147306
you're literally missing the fucking point

$ dmesg | rg -i secureboot
[ 0.000000] secureboot: Secure boot enabled
[ 0.005029] secureboot: Secure boot enabled


ok, I have it enabled. but it isn't M$ signed. Windows won't allow it to be chainbooted by a M$ signed shim nor can you cross sign their bootloader with custom keys. so now what shit ass?

>>106144084
all the modern kernel cheats enumerate PCI-e devices anon and IO MMUs exist.

dont old server mobos have TPM chips or something very similar

>>106146881
It's almost like there is a sane middle-of-the-road solution that allows people to privately attest to being adult human beings while having the freedom to use the computing experience they want....

oh wait, that's antisemitic and no one could possibly imagine such a solution. I'm sorry I brought it up.

>>106144163
Name one reason why kernel level anticheat with secure boot is bad
>b-but it means they have complete control over your pc
Dont care
>b-but it will be hard to remove
I can deal with it
>b-but kernel anticheats have been used in ransomware malware
Not my problem
>b-but it will spy on everything you do
I have nothing to hide. Do you?

>>106149049
because it's another step to total corporate control. personally, I'd take it as damning that multiplayer games are so designed that everyone feels the need to cheat to begin with. None of these techniques work either, but whatever.

I a few years, corpos will force you to install Neuralink™ control chips in your brain. Chipless untrused unverified individuals will be instantly blown by Palantir® AI drones.

I use secure boot but I enrolled my own keys. My system doesn't even boot the vendor UEFI tools without me signing them now although I'm not convinced it's not backdoored somehow.

I don't play a lot of online games but I imagine these people play shit like Valorant which installs an actual rootkit and they're just too retarded to boot into their BIOS and change a single setting.

>>106149276
You do have a bios password on too right bro

>>106149386
Unfortunately I don't have any maids so no.

>>106149443
You gotta keep the glowies out too.

>>106140908 (OP)
/v/tards are desperately looking for any reason to shit on bf6 just because there's a black guy in it, that's literally it

>>106147884
To be fair, the venn diagram circle for those three is pretty encompassing for most people.

>>106140908 (OP)
thats because it is a virus

>>106141566
huh... weird. counter strike 2 seems to get by just fine without kernel level malware...

>>106140925
>first reply just proves /g/ - technology doesn't understand technology

>>106150312
is this bait lmao
counter strike is infamously full of cheaters, 80% of players are using wallhacks

>>106142216
you cant, thats why its a terrible fuckin idea. win11 is actual shovelware and anyone thinking microsoft is doing any testing or quality control for these signed rootkits is insane

Microsoft is dum

>>106140908 (OP)
>>won't start unless Secure Boot is enabled
Another thing we have gaming on linux to thank

thanks gaming on linux

you are making video games

especially multiplayer ones

SO

MUCH

BETTER

Wouldn't need all this shit if we went back to community servers. Back in the day if someone was cheating they'd just get banned from the community and they'd go pester another one.

>>106150439
You aren't to be trusted.

>>106150367
all the kernel level anti-cheat games are also full of cheaters still

>>106140908 (OP)
Mostly because open-beta for BF6 is coming so people want to try that. Remember that by installing this you are giving full access to your computer to EA anti-cheat.

>>106150469
No they aren't. Kernel level anti cheat massively reduces cheaters.

>>106147306
so they aren't blocking linux if you enable secureboot?

>>106140908 (OP)
What does secure boot do?
It securely brings a boot to lick.

>>106150479
Microsoft approved of it, so it's safe.

>>106150482
Funny Arma Reforger that works on Linux without problems doesn't have any of that problems and if cheater pops out it gets banned literally next day.

>>106150482
It's also insanely insecure butyouusewindows.

>>106150499
Oh Lord Thank God for MicroNigger i wouldn't be sleeping if they didn't approve it. Thank God for that niggercattle hearder Gates it wouldn't be a good world without him and his jeets.

>>106150504
How is it insecure if the code is Microsoft approved?

>>106150499
Hahaha dubs of microsoft (small and flaccid)

>>106150512
The entire OS is Microsoft approved though, so I am not sure why you think a Microsoft approved build of an application is any different. Your doublethink doesn't make any sense.

>>106150517
Are you implying microsoft is culpable if for some reason you lose your data due to them fucking up an anticheat?

>>106150482
huh weird... apex uses kernel level anticheat and banned linux users in sept 2024 and yet they... still have the exact same amount of cheaters!?

almost like its just a narrative not based on reality but surely windows users wouldnt be dumb enough to fall for that... right?

>>106150540
Yes, thats right, drink deep

>>106150540
Microshit is disgusting company full of jeets.

>>106150547
Apex doesn't use Secure Boot.
Also...
>40% drop in cheaters from banning 2.5% of the userbase
LMAO. Just like the 13/50 meme.

>>106150540
Approval is meaningless in this context;
Microsoft approves this post.

If Microsoft aren't going to do anything when kernel level rootkits inevitably go sour (Microsoft aren't going to do anything when kernel level rootkits inevitably go sour), then Microsoft's approval means nothing (Microsoft's approval means nothing).

>>106150575
>Approval is meaningless in this context
It's everything in this context. Without approval, the application cannot run at the kernel level.

>>106147214
>in other words the game is gatekeeping itself from schizos while actual shabbos goys get to enjoy another $PRODUCT
It doesn't make any sense when you consider that the execs are expecting this to be more than 4x more popular than the last BF game.

>>106150312
Bro what? Try playing at 25k premier elo. It's unbelievable. In fact, there's literally open source cheats that VAC will NEVER detect https://github.com/ekknod/EC/tree/main/projects

>>106150573
they didnt ban the linux users till october 31st 2024. banning linux users had literally zero effect. your argument fails yet again.

>>106150614
FYI Roblox has less than that. Nothing EA could do could ever make a game that successful. Even if it was F2P and ran on cell phones.

>>106141632
Windows runs in a hypervisor now because of VBS, so their VM detection has become useless. They need to know the Microsoft hypervisor is legit.

>>106149020
So true, Mr. Schwab

>>106150614
>senile boomer pedophile investors make retareded decisions
news at 11

soon computers are going to be treated like cars and you'll need to have registration, immatriculation, and proof of no physical tampering (no opening the case, chud, only certified mechs can install you your new hardware for $200+tip!)

are windows users really stupid enough to believe that AAA devs of all people can be trusted to write kernel-level software?

have they actually played any AAA game from the past half decade? them believing that microsoft gives a single shit about desktop users is already bizarre given the entirety of win11's history but this is just another level of delusion

>>106150331
fpbp here. I guarantee you I understand technology better than you.
maybe read the thread retard.

>>106150959
to be fair, just like the engines themselves, the "game devs" are just buying an off-the-shelf anti-cheat. that doesn't mean they should be trusted still, but just saying.

all nonfree shitware is bad though.

>>106150503
>well this milsim that doesn't attract the cheatroon audience doesn't attract cheatroons so HMM
ok buddy

>>106150547
It takes a special kind of stupid to make this claim while posting a chart that wholly disputes it.

>>106151043
its almost always one of the epic owned ones, that unreal engine 5 seal of "quality"

>>106151245
They banned linux and steamdeck in late october anon, and you can clearly see the number of cheaters spiking after it. Are windows users too stupid to look up actual news articles?

>>106151023
>thinks secureboot is "hardware attestation"
>claims to know more about technology
>>>/x/gangstalking

>>106148997
skill issue?
i boot into windows from grub just fine, with secure boot enabled.

>>106146881
Shalom