Saw someone making a thread about Plebbit here a few days ago and I decided to take a dive out of curiosity.

Honestly, the tech is kind of impressive.

It's a peer-to-peer selfhosted social media protocol with no global admins to Nuke your community


Unlike Freenet or some other decentralized stuff, you don’t need to download anything to use the clients
You can just open a frontend in the browser. All IPFS-based.

Cons that it's been developing for 3 years and MVP still not out yet

if they keep this up and get real users onboard, it could actually go somewhere.?

I like the idea of customizable frontends

plebbit already works in the tor browser, and IPFS works over tor.

tor is slow, can only be used by a few thousands people at once, doesnt scale, can never be mainstream but plebbit is infinitely scalable imo

What you think?

>>106143107 (OP)
i think that youre essentially substituting a shit social media that makes you stupid to another "free" and " decentralised" shit social media that will also make you stupid.

>>106143107 (OP)
Plebbits pretty awesome for what it is, its definitely a better reddit. However its adminless aproach sounds great, until you learn it just kicks the can down the road to an all powerful moderator of a subplebbit

4chans iteration is better construed by hashchans. Mod services are pluggable and text and image hashes are distibuted throughout the planet at block speed so theres no possibilities of shadowbanning, also has no account primitive so the anon profile is superior. Hashchan uses ipfs and libp2p pubsub as well but as a layer underneath the blockchain in a fashion that protects the users from malicious actors

Reddit -> plebbit
Chans -> hashchans

>>106143366

>mod services are pluggable

if the users can choose their own mods, then it means someone can ddos the entire system because there's no anti spam mechanism at the source.

in plebbit the sub owner doesnt just moderate, he controls the antispam challenges.

if a sub has bad mods, you just use another one, or create your own.

the issue with reddit isn't that mods suck, it's that the reddit admins ban any community where the mods don't suck, so it seems like all mods suck, but that's not really true, all mods suck because all based mods get their community banned.

and plebbit communities are completely unbannable, fully p2p, like you can't ban a torrent. plebbit communities are like a torrent file.

these P2P meme protocols are too complicated.
what's wrong with the internet procol? just self-host you threads, send you threads to some tracker server where other users can discover them. that's all. no problems without moderation either, because every thread creator is also a moderator.

>>106143476

>You just described plebbit


plebbit uses the internet protocols, it uses TCP, UDP, QUIC, websockets, webRTC, HTTP

you can't just use one, because then depending on the user's device, you can't reach them. for example the browser doesnt support TCP and UDP, so it leaves you websockets, but websockets don't work if the peer is behind a NAT, so you use webRTC instead, etc.

>>106143536
if you want anonymity, just slap some basic onion routing on top of it.

>>106143107 (OP)
I have been running a sub on plebbit for a year now. It's a pretty cool tech

There are no global jannies, but i rule my sub with an iron fist

I am still waiting for a couple of features like mod queue and whitelist because modding community without those features is a little tedious

>>106143476
>someone can ddos the entire system because there's no anti spam mechanism at the source
Ethereums horizontal scaling and built in ddos protections prevent ddos and gas for posts curtail spam, without cloudflare

>>106143179
decentralized stupidity

>>106143476
>in plebbit the sub owner doesnt just moderate, he controls the antispam challenges.
>if a sub has bad mods, you just use another one, or create your own
Weve seen overzealous mods take advantage of this, having to move communities creates friction and breaks the posting graph, with hashchans the graph is preserved and filters happen by user preferences, dont like the mods, remove them

Doesnt the ipfs pubsub on plebbit conform to hub and spoke, its the moderator with the pins. If all pins are lost than its censored. Dont they need to pin first and distribute? There is a chike point

All pinning on hashchan is self host abd opt in sharing to prevrnt pizza attacks

>>106143107 (OP)
I tried it, and it shot my CPU usage up to 100% and held it there.

>>106143749
Fake news!

>>106143107 (OP)
what about hosting a forum instead like in the golden ages

>>106143728

yes plebbit uses hub and spoke, which is by design, their antispam settings prevent ddos of the pubsub topic

having a blockchain to prevent the ddos of topics is dead of arrival:

- nobody wants to pay transaction fees to post
- blockchains are not scalable, you'll be paying $50 per post and never be able to scale to the size of reddit or twitter
- the few blockchains that scale, like L2s, are not censorship resistant, they only have 1 RPC, and they will censor you

>>106143797
Im working on a ssh anonymous only text board. will be cool if i manage to finish it as i want to. I want to add ssh ascii only games, maybe blackjack or something apart from the board, maybe some text based adventure games idk. Its way cheaper on bandwidth and easier to secure and manage. I already have it working with threads and posts but i working on imporving how it looks

>>106143797

not censorship resistant, you need a domain name that they can seize / block, you need an SSL certificate that they can refuse to renew, you need a public IP address from a datacenter, which they can deplatform, you need DDOS protection, which they can refuse to sell to you, you need to put ads to pay for all of this, and they won't let you have an adsense account.

whereas running a plebbit sub is like seeding a torrent, it doesn't require anything, you just leave your computer on, it scale infinitely as every peer seeds the content.

>>106143862
True which why hashchan is a 5 year march as every service becomes locked behind a vpn as governments take down dns records, subscription fee jacked or flooded with bots, in the end itll be a steal qith this rates, which block bots without cloudflare or a king mod

Different tech for different purposes, plebbit is great for reddit

But hashchan fits with the imageboard ethos much more closely

Its designed to go off ones own archive node, its not attached to any rpc

Viem wagmi, ypur a spook for shoving in cloudflare rpcs by default

Gopher is the only answer
and Veronica & Gopherchan exist

>>106143366
>hashchans
what are you talking about, i can't find any info on this.

>>106143366
This looks amazing, whoever wrote this finally understands what needs to be done.

>>106143960
>>106143686
>>106143366
I'm excited about this but why are you using discord holy shit

>>106143960
Yeah Ethereum is a pile of shit and I'm not paying to shit post.

>>106144915
Paying is the only way to stop spam from destroying a community. You might not like it, but it's true.

>>106144934
You're not wrong about the spam, but then you'll have the problem of power users dumping a pile of money on posting.

>>106143903
in the end, all your p2p cryptobro memetworks are just servers you host on your public IP address.

10 layers of snake oil crypto bullshit on top of tcp connection wont save you from ddos, censorship etc.

>>106144962
Depends on the gas cost of the network. If it's 5 cents a post that gives you 20 posts for a dollar, which isn't terrible. Yes, it kind of disincentivizes posting, but what's the alternative?

>>106145050
>10 layers of snake oil crypto bullshit on top of tcp connection wont save you from ddos, censorship etc.
You can criticize a lot about 'crypto' in general, but anything that's actually legit is extremely censorship resistant.
And naturally essentially immune to any sort of realistic DDoS attack, since it actually costs money and the fee market scales up as demand increases.
I'm just speaking in general here, and I'm not familiar with any of these projects in the thread. But those two issues are two of the strongest arguments for rather than against.
Most people would argue that there's too many resources spent enabling the tech to be so censorship and DDoS resistant(ie all these billions upon billions spent *over* securing against censorship and DDoS).

>named plebbit
>superheros supershield
almost had me but that last sentence gives away the bait

It will be dead and forgotten like any other ( decentralized ) social media alternative

>>106144394
Github.com/hashchan/hashchan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5HJdXJ2p8g

For some info

Technical solutions to sociological problems don't work.

>>106144913
I know its lame, but its common in web3 projects and i dont like telegram

>>106144962
This is the actually. Untold billions are spent by the deepstate to manufacture consent with their ai spambot networks. If mass adoption is achieved with hashchan they would have to dump that into crypto, boosting prices, catching them in a moloch trap.

So if they have to post 100 times for every time an anon posts 1, and the anon holds crypto, theyll be seeing a positive return on their investment. So this would be an actual invest to post model.

And eglin would have to minmax brainwash over crypto rich

ohhh there's a 4chan like client on plebbit


https://youtu.be/FjBGD2aR73c?si=nAUq-eM5WqJ84h-X

>>106148093
the ai video intro is pure garbage btw but it looks promising

https://github.com/plebbit

Potentially interesting, but this is not the first time something similar has been tried. However the thing to go looking for is the monetization...and unfortunately like a lot of IPFS stuff, its connected to cryptoshitt. Of course there's a token and and its on Etherium blockchain at the moment etc. I'm instantly skeptical of something social media supposedly decentralized or distributed that is predicated on crypto, particularly a buyable exchange-capable one. Its even worse with the whole
>oh, but this is the best part see you'll need to pay to shitpost and it defends against bots and...
Look, you can do that kind of thing without needing to slave something to a single token. You could create an imageboard or reddit style or whatever the fuck and make it so that everyone needs to buy an account or buy "credits" to post or whatever - hell you can even accept crypto if you want - where $10 gets you 10,000 berklefarts and posting ranges from the normal 1 to 1000 based on whatever conditions you want. Why don't people do this? because few people want to pay to shitpost or even buy subs these days, but obfuscating behind crypto is even worse, especially when it means that you're using certain tokens or coins for everything and its ecosystem along with the fees involved.

I favor these approaches without the link to some sort of crypto. There can be decentralized or distributed (I argue that distributed isn't great for "social media" alternatives because it is shitty for discovery among other issues) alternatives that can work better and aren't either overtly or surreptitiously built around the expectation to use crypto for monetization and otherwise.

>>106148203
>something social media supposedly decentralized or distributed that is predicated on crypto
Why hashchan is no token, no cut, just gas too many scams and the project needs to focus on its core, not being distracted by price mechanics and whaling

>>106148241
>Hashchan
>Just gas
Unfortunately that's a slightly different sort of problem. ETH gas costs a fortune at the moment and even if it was some other blockchain asset, the whole pay-to-post thing is still an issue. Some may look at that as good thing for the "stop spam" issue but especially early on the fear of spam that would be affected by something like this is usually not greater than greatly limiting your userbase. Looking at the instructions for getting setup with Hashchan is
>Connect your Wallet
>Fund your wallet
>Get a dedicated RPC URL for best functionality
>pay for IPFS pinning/storage hosting for when you want to post an image on this imageboard etc
You're cutting off the vast majority of potential users. Hell even Plebbit is doing better in this regard as you can at least see the thing. Don't get me wrong it has other problems, but I can't really see how Hashchan is a better solution necessarily.

Be it Plebbit or Hashchan it seems the question is what factors the developers think are most important and what they're willing to do to accomplish them, but this can be misaligned or ignoring some other parameters that can be antithetical to what the claimed mission might be. In any event, when things start getting attached to a crypto/blockchain asset, it seems to complicate things immensely for reasons that one could say cynically are more about the usage of the asset and its value; the function of the application itself is secondary at best as a reason to give value to the asset. Even if the developer is a true believer that they think their solution is preferable, it still takes place within an ecosytem with many confounding factors monetarily, technically, and otherwise

>>106148432
Yup why this is a 5 year march for hashchan. It is actually pretty economically competitive, especially on the light chains (like 25k posts per month) for the same price as a twitter sub. But thats not the bet for hashchan, ita that the web itself is going from a bretton woods era to a mercantist era so the old way of sailing without armour is going away- every other option weve enjoyed that enabled clear comms for free is being destroyed. For example plebbits hub and spoke makes it a prime target for government 'safety' acts

The technological hurdles are legitmate which is why youll get much better user adoption with plebbit or dchan at the beginning. But these hurdles will be overcome with time, already client side blockchain indexing is 10x better than a couple years ago and things like reth modules will make indexing client side even better.

For this reason haschan is focused on attaining quality over quantity, no sacrifices to the pure technological implementation for users or metrics.

Its hashchans bet these short term compromises will be their long term failure. And given the law of lurkers you actually want to corral the englightened minorites anyways as they make the zesty OC

Hashchan is a long cold march to victory

>>106143107 (OP)
There's Retroshare too, it's pretty good. It's got file-sharing, chat, forums.

>>106143903
That's all true and good, but is plebbit as comfy as the old forums? Does it have the same functionality?

i think so it should have the same feeling of old forum + new reddit, all being decentralized, only issue is that communities are in the hand of only one person, so if he goes mad or something the community will be fucked up, but a new one will arise

nice thing is no one can bring these communites down like reddit with conspiracy shit

>>106148541
Much of that is a very, very long bet and victory is by no means assured. Even if we assume the rest comes to fruition both on the technical end and the other social, legal etc.. parameters that would make it justifiable, self selecting a tiny niche of hardcore crypto enthusiasts who are willing to jump through the hoops of setup and pay for both posting and hosting for their assets etc..what if that demographic already finds other places to go worthwhile? Other forms of blockchain forums and boards and communities etc.. after all , if posting takes money, you need a reason to do it - its an investment; an investment of what at the moment is a currency that could otherwise fluctuate in value? So you'd have to think there was something worth it to bother setting up a wallet and posting and creating OC. Shitting out the same 5 memes with the same 5 people who already talk about taking things to the moon or glowfaggotry inn't going to be compelling for very long, especially if you can likely talk to them or people very similar to them on another "dapp" site but that one just requires you to buy an account and not pay per post etc?

It seems like quite a long bet for there to be the kind of success to make it justified. This doesn't mean the developer shouldn't focus on quality first and technical aspects simply because of their interest, but if the idea is that one day things will align and everyone will see the light that its the best solution (even among those willing to use some crypto asset or pay per post , much less those who use a different asset or none at all or anything else) doesn't seeem a arealistic trajectory.

>>106148672
The bet is that the wallet setup part is like dailup today. That the 2030s will be a crypto native decade and having a wallet is as common as chrome . For hashchan its about everything else on the water blasting itself into pieces, droned swarmed by bots, mined field by monopoly subscriptions or privateered by government censors. Hashchan just avoids all of it while the native tech stack improves.

Weve seen internet censorship be part of the open conspiracy, weve seen the chans flooded beneath the "innovative tactics" of botswarms, altchans fail to overloading them with illegal content/dcma greifing and the mic coming for even wikipedia.

Such things, at least to me, make it a pretty reasonable bet

>>106148575
Retroshare is an excellent example of a distributed community platform. It also doesn't require any sort of crypto/blockchain assets, and operates a bit more like BitTorrent with DHT etc. The only downside is it runs into the main issue for social media/community sites between Decentralized/Federated vs Distributed..
>Discovery
If you want to connect to someone on Retroshare, you need to have some out of band way to learn their key. You need to at least know them, or maybe a friend of theirs etc. If you want to set up a little community for encrypted file sharing for friends or whatnot, its great, but for a lot of "social media" , even like an imageboard , its hard to find stuff from people you don't already know/have some connection somehow. The same is true of Scuttlebutt , which uses a p2p gossip protocol.

This is in contrast to a lot of decentralized and/or federated (being the 'best' form of decentralization) where for social media, all you need to discover is the server, and you have potential access to all the users on it, and and all the other users and servers they connect to, and more. Both Federated and Distributed networks have their place, but for "social media alternatives" people usually talk about, the former are typically a lot more successful.

I don't agree with the mentality that "anyone can do anything and nobody can do anything about it" is the solution to censorship. I much prefer the solution being "I don't like you, fuck you and fuck off to your own sandbox". The freedom to have one's own sandbox, is what should be protected, along with the freedom to *not* associate with those you don't want to associate with.

>>106143903
Basically none of what you're talking about (with the exception of DDoS) is an issue on Tor onions.

why is it using ENS for username / subplebbit names

>>106149062
it's very easy to block any p2p just by giving internet users IP's behind NAT, so nobody can host p2p nodes.
people don't realize just how fragile all these protocols and confuse government's ingorance with security.

>>106149462
CGNAT and/or ISPs not letting you host shit from home, is a cancer in itself. Not everyone is privileged enough to avoid it, but to me it's a basic right I'm not willing to give up.

>>106149462
Ye blockchain satellites and tx over ham radio are critical infrastructure

>>106143107 (OP)
Its going to be filled with the worst kind of commiepedotroons possible. Regular redditors seem keyed compared to those faggots who use p2p social media.

>>106149444
>ENS
It has the blockchain, you know the stuff that crypto uses, it is what people crave!

ENS is more decentralized than other URLS

>yet another overly complicated yet barren and featureless "decentralized social media" that will never grow beyond a handful of power users

there is no replacement for proper leadership

>>106147955
telegram is shit, discord is shit.
Use matrix, irc or basically anything else. web3 projects that go
>ooooh we need to decentralize everything!
then use the most cancerous, centralized messaging platform are pathetic.

>>106150310
Its following "the one thing" rule. Do one thing different and be conformant and normie in all the rest, for some reason web3 joined at the hip with discord. Hashchan isnt trying to maoe a new discord - youd get closer with plebbits architecture for that

Im not a fan of discord either but doing a fediverse or plebbit would be less effective at onboarding and spread the chat logs out. Its at the top of the list as well with 29 in in the server (x has only 21 or 22 followers)

>>106148672
>>106148541
>>106148432
>>106148203
The hashchan anon is right though, there is absolutely NO way around the need to make posting more expensive. Some systems mistakenly use proof-of-work as a proxy for actual money, where you're just renting CPU time in place of paying directly. This won't work in practice because an AWS datacenter is a lot better at turning money into hashes than a user's laptop is.

Hashchan dev has understood this sad reality and is building the imageboard of the future, for when users have had enough of talking to bots and indian spammers. Most of you aren't ready to admit it isn't 2007 anymore, but paying to post (or putting down a deposit to post) is the only way forward.

>>106150416
For products that make money this makes sense, go where your customers are. However, here we see that only the most autistic schizos would ever even use hashchan and I've found most of these won't use discord (myself included). I've been following a lot of p2p/decentralized attempts at IBs, they all use irc or matrix. Matrix also has discord bridges, it's the whole point of the protocol.

Yes I'm seething.

>>106150430

well the "putting social media on chain" experiment has been tried over and over, and it never takes off, because nobody wants to pay for each transaction

>>106150515
Alright youve convinced me ill look into the mastodon stuff and see what i can do

>>106150548
Yes, it's a transitional period between high trust web and low trust web. No one wants to pay for private security guards to patrol their neighborhood, back when the country was 90% white they didn't have to. How long will you sit around having your house broken into before the cost is worth paying?

wow it's dead

Plebbit doesn’t need crypto, it only needs IPFS

“no transaction fees” is listed as a feature because blockchain-based social media exists, and unlike them a plebbit full node doesn’t have to sync (because it’s a IPFS node), it just runs immediately like a BitTorrent node would, and it runs on 4GB of RAM even on a raspberry pi, on consumer internet (consumes less bandwidth than YouTube) and it only uses a few GBs of storage. Blockchain social media fundamentally cannot scale because of node requirements, that is if you want the platform to be “decentralized” (enough full nodes).

Plebbit has crypto features, as an addendum.

Mainly, they use crypto domains such as .eth (ens.domains) end .sol (sns.id) to resolve plebbit author/community addresses to readable names, because they are IPNS public keys (very long and impossible to memorize )

Unlike DNS, crypto domains are censorship resistant. They are cryptographic property, you hold them in your wallet, which means if you change the address of your plebbit community to one such domain, you are tokenizing your community. In theory, the more users your community has, the more people have saved your domain, the higher its value. Compare that to Reddit for example, where all subreddits are owned by Reddit, they can ban your community with millions of subs, because it’s not your property, it’s theirs.

>it's another crypto scam
Oh fuck off will you

>>106150649
>token
>dao
wow it's dead on arrival

>>106150662
>resolve plebbit author/community addresses to readable names
You don't need to do this, no one is typing those names character by character anyway. ENS is an utterly pointless feature made to replace a legacy protocol that caused so many problems on the internet. Tor has the right idea with onion addresses, just give up on DNS as a concept.

>>106143476
> if a sub has bad mods, you just use another one, or create your own.
Doesn’t solve the first mover advantage. 4+4chan did this years ago and it didn’t work because everyone just spends their time on whichever board has the most users for a given topic. You also eventually run out of feasible board names (e.g. /g/ /g2/ /technolog/ /tech/, etc.) which has impacts on discoverability, further curtailing growth.
On Reddit this used to be more of a problem but now the usual cycle is that the valuable contributors of a board will seek out lesser known boards in order to get away from front page cattle, but you aren’t going to find them before the front page does unless you’re terminally online.
>>106143728
> filters happen by user preferences, dont like the mods, remove them
This is the solution. I’ve seen people talk about this for the last 8+ years. Is Hashchans a social protocol or a network? Great idea, terrible name; clever, but will hurt adoption.

>>106145367
I’m not convinced pricing like this will do anything to solve the problem. It curtails the cheapest spam, but doesn’t deal with anything profitable. The only real solution is non-scaling members-only networks that ban bad actors. This is the great remigration you hear about, where people prefer to keep their social media activity isolated to group chats.

>>106147922
thanks !

>>106150984
This is why hashchan also has the pluggable moderation. You need both: increase cost to keep the automated spambots at bay & also human mods to deal with the less automated threats. One without the other will always fail, as either you will run out of volunteer time (4chan pretends they are too big to fail) or you will just get invaded by jeets pretending to be human and bypassing the automated filters.

>>106143107 (OP)
played with it for a couple hours few weeks ago, aside from being ghost city there are some issues (poat from one account wouldn't show up until another account posted something, then that latest post needed a 'push', maybe not big issue if it ever gets traction, but something iffy with the functionality), starting a board/subplebbit required buying their coins for the dns system??? The faq was missing for this part, but it seemed like it. To be a subplebbit owner/mod you had to leave your pc always on at home, not sure about this part, some really weird decisions and based on the fact things like twister exist, that use blockchain only to protect users pubkey for censorship resistance you can really feel this is convoluted to tie in with their crypto as much as possible, the only real posts/activity seemed from 'investors', so lots of people waiting to cash out.

I ain't clicking that shit, nigga

>>106147922
>Dez-carts or Voltaire
lol

>>106150931
>Is Hashchans a social protocol or a network
Something between the two, in a broad sense it demonstrates the concept of a "hashchannel" that forms client side indexable dags within blockchain eventlogs, and how to leverage offchain message passing over ipfs pubsub to provide authenticity guarantees against this behaviour.

Chans were chosen because open access public forums are the worse effected by the ai botnet swarm, where the id solution breaks the core proposition

Its use however you want liscense, the frontend works perfect through localhost and the smart contract is no admin, no proxy, no treasury so self deployable too . So the infrastructure is really already in place

>>106150984
>>106143960
In my economic model the idea is that botwarmers face a high initial fixed cost (phone swarm, ip rotator, captcha club) but near 0 marginal costs. Sothe price of flooding 100 or 1000 or 10000x is the same. Hashchans introduce O(n) scaling on their marginal cost. So if one is paying 1/10 of a penny to post, the flooder pays a penny to maintain signal dominance. So we see an order of magnitude benefit as one moves into heavier chains. Pay a cent they pay a dollar, pay a dollar they pay $100. Pay 10 they pay 1000, their always stuck with another 0, which adds up quick
It wont stop the spam but it severly limits the flood
Also get this as an amusing bonus
>>106147955

p2p sucks because its easy to attack
meanwhile some shitty optiplex behind cloudflare is literally invincible

>>106151897
kek, yes, that's why torrenting died like kaaza etc

>>106151929
no, spotify killed music piracy
why waste time illegally downloading shitty mp3 rips when you can subscribe to spotify for x amount of currency per month and legally stream UNLIMITED MUSIC no wait required

>>106151990
noone killed piracy, it's still well and alive and no matter how mpaa tried to attack torrenting it still failed, the fact you want to use streaming even when you can suddenly have shitty connection when skiing on a mountaintop, or travelling through bum in the hole nowhere shows you're a retard basement dweller with 0 experience outside, dht is well proven, building a distributed platform on dht and pubkeys in blockchain works well enough for twister, the whole network is still alive and good luck attacking it, plebbit introduces a lot of tech, but has poor description of what exactly they are trying to solve except tying it to their shitcoin to rugpull and finally cash out

>>106151990
or you can download perfect FLACs for free from a bigger library than spotify using private trackers and invite--only communities.
>>106151198
Have you considered the deposit model rather than the pay-to-post model? I'd like to chat but it seems we aren't on the same networks. Might shoot you an email.

>>106152108
>or you can download perfect FLACs for free
flac is bullshit for anything but preservation
>from a bigger library than spotify
you have to download it first instead of stream IMMEDIATELY
>using private trackers and invite--only communities
worthless, go back to your containment thread for your shitty secret clubs

>>106148741
>crypto native decade
This seems like a nightmare and I don't see things getting much better in the next couple of years to change that There are so many different technologies, assets, all matters of grifting bullshit and attempts, those who actively fight against any sort of standardization or regulation and everything has a financial vested interest for your little fiefdom to be the one to succeed in terms of an asset/token, or the idea to always be profiting from someone else holding the bag etc. This is to say nothing for usability or just plain financial cost. A crypto centric Internet seems the antithesis of what we were seeking years ago in the 90s about the free exchange of information and wide availability, but more like an alternate world where instead of getting an Interstate Highway System we ended up with myriad patchwork toll roads everywhere with different costs, conditions, kinds of cars allowed to drive on them etc, but they all cost - different amounts, different currencies etc. I don't think that's a good solution either.

If everything else is destroyed as you describe that's one thing, but that's not some necessity and I'd rather people invest the time and resources into preventing that, from technical, legal, and social standpoints. This doesnt' mean there can't be niche projects, but when crypto specifically puts vested interest in pushing apocalyptic online narratives that just so happen to only be averted by their particular crypto based solution, it often means people start acting like preppers who put a huge amount of resources into buying or building bunkers, while either ignoring or in some cases (especially the wealthy, the Thiels of the world) actively acting in ways to make the "collapse" they are afraid of more likely, it seems a waste. I mean hell, the one bit on their site specifically talks about "deepstate" adoption jacking the price of crypto which is a conflict of interest with usability etc

>>106152350
you can download it and play it on whatever/whenever, oh no muh id/age verification check is failing, save me UK government, I need more reliability on daddy gov, inet connection and corpo willingness to not ban me willy nilly, you deserve to be cucked

>>106152350
you're a retard, go back to the retard site with usernames so people can filter you out.

>>106152375
>A crypto centric Internet seems the antithesis of what we were seeking years ago in the 90s about the free exchange of information and wide availability
You don't seem to understand that the demographics online have changed and that the white and high-class asian internet of the 90s is gone and with it our high-trust online society as well. There is no returning to that world, low-trust people require low-trust solutions, and it's a burden we will shoulder one way or the other. The sooner people like you stop thinking we can go back, the sooner we can move forward and do what needs to be done.

>>106152096
Plebbit will take piracy to a new level. Pirates will now be able to host their own subs on plebbit, making sure they can no longer be taken down. It will also allow easier sorting and management of content and a uncensorable forum to speak with other pirates. Plebbit is torrenting but for free speech.

You don't need token to use the platform

it will be used for tipping , so people can earn money using plebbit

>>106152428
>>106152473
cope harder grandpa, get backed off to your shitty secret club

>>106143107 (OP)
It going to be flooded with cp

If any is interested in running a sub , Esteban will provide a free ENS

>>106152551
Why not just use an existing token with existing value instead of making a new one? The answer no crypto project can ever answer.

>>106152527
there are already solutions working built on the same tech that don't try to profit off of them but built because authors actually cared about privacy/censorship resistance etc, having a UI built to resemble two popular websites on top of shitcoin is anything but, it neither works correctly rn, has been unproven to scale/resist gov censorship, it is a barely working poc with a really convoluted usability, just because the point of developing it was tying it as much as possible to the shitcoin, good fucking luck with such approach

>>106152108
>Have you considered the deposit model rather than the pay-to-post model
Yeah, unfortunately there is no realistic way to implement it without adding a sponsorship rail. Theres nothing stopping anyone from adding one though- just grab the hashchan interface and wrap it in a 2771 or something, do deposit logic and deploying the frontend for it .but that becomes the central point of failure for the government to place pressure on.

>>106152551
lol, usenet still exists you know, nobody is jumping on your shitcoin backed pseudo privacy leddit when torrents still exist for piracy (and the censorship tools for owners in this space mean it is built with ability to nuke, how are you gonna remove cp plebbits, investors wouldn't like that)

>>106152594

you cannot upload media. It was done intentionally, so if you want to post media you must post a direct link to it (the interface embeds the media automatically), a link from centralized sites like imgur and stuff, who know your IP address, take down the media immediately (the embed 404’s) and report you to authorities. Further, plebbit works like torrents so your IP is already in the swarm

Also You can’t encode base64 images on plebbit, each fiels has a character limit.

>>106151084
I tried to check out hashchan, but I can't find it. There is only this useless website which offers nothing. Can you actually lurk on hashchan?

>>106152606

Read the introduction on main site .

Any crypto of choice can be used .

Actually Ethereum will be the first cryptocurrency to be implemented for tipping function


People don't need to buy the token . It's not needed

>>106152684
text only cp exists (muh AI has this problem) base64 encoding exists, yay we solved everything by using imgur kek

>>106152717
>Any crypto of choice can be used
But you're still going to be paying fees in ETH aren't you?

>>106152684
part 1/x of my base64 cp
160 charlimit solves everything, the more you plebbit devs post the more I get you're retarded grifters with 0 understanding

hashchan doesn't exist. post a link where I can lurk and see the discussions.

>>106152527
We haven't reached some cataclysmic final outcome and pretending we have is making it more likely things get more shitty. This is like people unhappy with a private cable/fiber ISP trying to convince them all to drop off the Internet and instead create just local meshnet or send carrier pigeons instead of organizing and pushing for a municipal fiber utility in their city/county etc. The latter is far more constructive, even if you still fuck around with meshnet technology because you have independent interest in it.

In any case it seems like
>high trust society
is really just a codeword for "brown people ruined everything" which isn't constructive considering that if anything, it was corporate greed , privatization, and profiteering data mining, social media, mobile faggotry etc.. that harmed the Internet we should have. Even focusing on the primary actual threats that caused things to diverge from the 90s ideal , "low trust solutions" will take us even farther away, instead of pushing to fix the things that brought us here. If your toilet clogs, you get the plunger rather than deciding everything is fucked and you shit outside in the yard wiping your ass with leaves despite all of the negatives of doing so

>>106152613
I generally agree with this. A good example is
>LBRY / Odysee
vs
>Peertube
The first one basically has everything dependent on the LBRY asset, you pay for shit with it, you get paid with it etc.. the fact it has anything to do with decentralized media is secondary to raising the value of the LBRY token. Peertube on the other hand is decentralized and federated as well, but not slaved to any particular crypto asset - if you want to run a node that requires each user to pay for an account or subscribe to channels with a crypto you could, but you can also have no monetization at all , donations, pick any crypto or fiat currencies etc. Its designed as a federated alternative to YouTube first of all and does well

>>106152859
>it was corporate greed , privatization, and profiteering data mining, social media, mobile faggotry etc.. that harmed the Internet we should have
There is a reason these corporations were allowed to swallow as much of the internet as they did: apathy on the part of the users. Yes, in the end it was normgroids who ruined it but guess where literally billions of new cattle came from? Corporations only destroy what we let them destroy, the netizens of 20 years ago wouldn't have put up with this shit but the glassy-eyed livestock with their smartphones in the gutters of mumbai don't know any better and don't care to.

this thread are only bots talking to each other

>>106152859
We agree that the token is always the weak point because of differing interests between the DAO and the users. It's always just a disguised get-rich-quick scheme for silicon valley outsiders. We shouldn't throw the bay out with the bathwater though, the hashchan implementation has no token yet realized the benefits of using blockchain money anyway.

>>106152988
it's worse, it's cryptobros trying to cryptoshill their latest and greatest product, still can't pass scrutiny of even the lowest /g/ users, you're gonna get left behind grandpa, subscribe to latest AI/crypto sub

>>106152859
>We haven't reached some cataclysmic final outcome
buddy a sizeable portion of posts to 4chan are bots and many people don't even notice anymore because they are either very new or have gotten used to the retarded background murmur. There will be no cataclysmic failure, you'll just be trapped in your own electronic prison cell and you won't even know it.

>>106152988
your mother is a bot

>>106152784
t. pedo

>>106153068
bs, you get a script kiddy with openai api key every few days and the botted threads always stick out like a sore thumb, you never get a (you), you get 2-3 semi-sensible posters just talking gibberish to each other, or suddenly /pol/ discussion on /g/ at 10 posts a minute... They always stick out as fuck, bbbut altman said... Bs

>>106153129
fucking whole usenet piracy is done with char limits, you're the pedos if your only cp prevention is char limits retards

>>106153149
go ahead and try to use it for cp, you freak!

>>106153242
like literally what is going to happen if you start posting base64 content in multipart form, do plebbit investors know? MAgical, aha, we have a way to nuke you out, our privacy/censorship grift be damned???

>>106152375
Indeed perhaps there is a case to be made that if hashchans are necessisary than the world is better off with http over tcpip .

Its appaling to see the flummoxed state of things, one would hope something like hashchans would never been needed in the first place. Perhaps it mirrors the snafu of late stage bretton woods regime. The open sourcing of the seas was its greatest jewel, but as they say the rewards of tolerance is treachery and betrayal, by having to sanction X countries from forex they became damned if they did, damned if they didnt.

Perhaps its worthy of reflection on why the term Re-veiled is used in scripture. The palantirii uses concealment to usher in the unveiling, the assanges would point at the inconsistency, and let itself be unleashed choatically

Pehaps the jewel here is if such a system would be useful to strategically adopt, after all most are lemmings and depolarize ideologically with wealth. If their staked on crypto and the deepstate has to burn tokens to manufacture consent, a job completes itself partially, at least conceptually

>>106153351
Without' tcp/ip

>>106143107 (OP)
Esteban im not buying your scam

>>106153326
you literally can't, pedo larper

>>106145008
>>106153045
Imagine being on /g/ and hating crypto. Were you one of the morons calling BTC a scam back in 2012?

>>106153435
then you've just lost investors, noone is going to buy into cp shitcoin, muh rugpullerbros it's over

>>106153460
it wasnt a scam in 2012, it was a nice way to buy mailorder drugs. in 2025 it is a scam.

>>106153460
blockchain as a technology, fucking great, see twister, no gov can censor a user of that network thanks using blockchain for pubkeys, technology used where it makes sense
muh crypto chan/leddit clone that solves no technological problem except a tie in for our shitcoin - go shit that thing on /biz/

>>106153509
It's a currency you sperg.

>>106153469
you literally can't use it for cp, i lost braincells replying to you

>>106153536
yeah you can see how far heads are up the grifter's asses when they think ppl will want to pau to shitpost fucking kek

>>106153553
you literally can like usenet, just automate splitting your cp into whatever many parts you need into base64, muh charlimit is safeguard to cp, retards

>>106153509
nobody ever shilled the shitcoin here, because, again you can use the plebbit protocol without even knowing or caring about its token even if a retard like you obseses about it

>>106148432
>ETH gas costs a fortune
It's like 100x cheaper than it often was a few years ago even on mainnet. But even then it can vary and cost a handful of quarters sometimes at peak demand periods.
The thing is there are now eth L2s that will bundle and post transactions to mainnet for a fraction of the already much cheaper gas fee. Like fractions of cents.
How much data is being posted still matters, but if done properly it can be extremely cheap now.
Like it's many orders of magnitude cheaper compared to say 2021/22 or whatever.
Regarding the UX of all the other shit, yeah I'd say that's still a problem.
I think there are actually concepts like account abstraction where a service can onboard a user without them having to have gas and such. Whether that is implemented in practice, I don't know.
Stuff like that is still being worked on though.
And just to note:
Not that I recommend investing in any of this or anything. Just want to add that.
Seems like the value is shifting to actual publicly listed stocks and such at this point since the government actually is doing real regulation and easing up the pressure. Like the Circle stock.
Basically just a warning that it's super late and people like Blackrock are already balls deep in crypto, so no one takes my post as some kind of shill or anything.

>>106153600
then use the bloody thing for 5 minutes, the only active posts/threads are investors asking when the payout begins

>free as in freedom and free beer open source messageboard
>some reddit-tier sperg is seething about CP and crypto

never change /g/

>>106153627
already exist on freenet, i2p name it, but this one made by shitcoinbros is exceptional, now try again to shill your project to users instead of crypto investors, which exactly problems have you solved?

>>106150548
2025 vs any year before is completely different though with how much it actually costs compared to not long ago. Many orders of magnitude cheaper.
In early 2010s people were like 'microtransactions are the killer app', which was one of the most bullshit lines of all time from then until recently.
But in 2025 you can actually do many things for fractions of cents.
So it may be 'different this time'...maybe.
It's not going to be a profit center though. If anything works it's going to be a labor of love and people doing it for reasons other than money.

>>106153667
nigger I came to this thread and googled the project and saw the github, then see some faggot (you, obviously) crying about CP and crypto. Good job exposing yourself for being a retarded redditor though, amazing work.

>>106153680
nobody is willing to pay even 0.00001 cent to call you a nigger, stay with your cryptobros

>>106153710
nigger (0.0 cents paid, good luck grifter)

>>106153001
>It's always just a disguised get-rich-quick scheme for silicon valley outsiders
Ironically if you look at who's made the most money via funding crypto the last 5-10 years or so, you'll find it's a lot of the usual suspects from SV.
They have the value extraction game down to a science with their bullshit pre-seeds, seeds, and multiple rounds of artificially high fully divested value tokens that they dump on the public making tens of billions.
They actually killed crypto in a sense.

>>106153620
ye, like less than 1/10 of a penny on base for hashchan right now. In their native token- no shitcoin required.

>I think there are actually concepts like account abstraction where a service can onboard a user without them having to have gas and such. Whether that is implemented in practice, I don't know.
I havent given the code a good audit but https://github.com/4dchan-org dedicates itself to the idea. They store posts as json in the eventlogs and use a self hosted graph node to index it.

Depending on the outcome of the Storm case I might wrap a mod service/pinning service and do a sponsorship rail, call it hashchan prime or something, we'll see.

link to hashchan? i want to lurk and see discussions. I have the feeling, hashchan doesn't even exist.

>>106153738
>nigger (0.0 cents paid, good luck grifter)
you did solve the captcha and have yourself gtaged though, all fed into a blackbox server ran by an LLC that incorporates itself in a shady looking low density residential office strip

>>106153738
>gets called a nigger
>gives a n-no u
pathetic faggot nigger, did you just learn you could use that word here, redditor?
>>106153620
>>106153769
Paying to post is retarded and relying on an L2 is also stupid, ARB has gone down in the past because the devs didn't refill the gas required to communicate with ETH, BASE is no different inthis regard, they have the same requirements and at any time they can just stop refilling the gas and kill their own network (and the service). The same issue exits for any chain that isn't truly decentralised, including the name servers that plebbit uses.

>>106153738
I'm not a 'cryptobro'.
But the point is a service can pay the fee itself. And decide on its own how to keep spam away or whatever. I doubt anything 'good' actually exists now, but in theory it could at this point.
If something works, you wouldn't even realize it has part of the infra running on something crypto-related. It would be abstracted away via UX.
That's potentially the future. Not someone loading a penny into a wallet to post.
It's just like with stablecoins that are actually backed by USD in in American banks.
Do I care if I get paid by PayPalUSD or Circle USD when I get the money instantly in my bank account from publicly traded and regulated companies? No, it makes no difference to me as long as I get paid(and I have and have no problem accepting it).
I don't have to speculate on anything, and you could argue I'm 'using crypto' but, that's only because I know enough about what's going on.
Average people don't give a shit. $1 is $1.

>>106143107 (OP)
This thread is filled with seething glowniggers.
All the white programmers and engineers who were fired and became NEETs have way too much time on their hand and they start creating a parallel decentralized internet just when they try to crack down on the legacy internet.
It's like they haven't learned from the 4chan going down experiment, autists always break containment and things become worse for them and better for the rest of us.

the real reason plebbit do text only isn't to prevent people from posting base64 cp,

trolls will try to post cp on plebbit to annoy people, but nobody will genuinely use plebbit for cp, the real cp all happens on tor


it's irrelevant fud, you can upload CP to bittorrent, btc, eth, etc as well, yet everyone still use bittorrent, btc and eth.


cp wont go from tor to plebbit, tor is superior for cp, it's more anonymous, so the cp fud is irrelevant, plebbit is not enabling cp, tor is


anyone interested in running a community sub will get a free ENS btw

>>106153811
kek yeah, with googol captcha it was an issue, now only cloudflare can tie challenges to IPs, still anyone will spend the 5 seconds of their day to solve a captcha to call you niggers niggers vs actual money (I didn't lose 5 cents to call you a nigger, it's on my captcha solving unpaid time, as all shitposts, grasp that griftlord)
>>106153813
>paying actual money is great for our investors, users will love it, all these adblock users will just open their wallets
you're not only black but fucking retarded kys

>open hashchan
>instructions
>"setting up your wallet"
>close site

>>106152954
I think the problem more often is the glassy eyed normgroids here. Those who were shitting in the streets in mumbai or especially the online clusterfuck that is mainland China, were mostly contained to their own platforms, languages, and locations; China especially. When they did end up on other sites, it was often because of those very social media and other megacorps that were sure to set it up so that Facebook and WhatsApp were free to use on your phone in India and SEA countries where others cost data etc. Hell, ByteDance has their own separate Douyin for local Chinese users which of course adheres to all Chinese regulations; they're not allowed to use Tiktok. However, it was tons of zoomers here that embraced Tiktok and fed its algorithm and whatnot because it was new and different, and now they're falling on themselves to
>PLEASE KEEP TIKTOK OPEN GUYS
or at least they were before the current admin basically backed off after they were bought off instead of pushing for local data hosting and a subsidiary in the US etc. .

>Apathy
Some of it may be apathy, but a lot of it was ignorance and simple inertia. Same thing happened with vidya. These companies brought in new groups of users - and there are fuckloads - who arrived in the mobile smartphone, social media etc... era than those of us who were here before it. Which meant they didn't have to to make US happy - no different than the proliferation of gacha garbage gaming. A handful of people spending a fortune makes up for spending nothing or a game purchase amount, so the game is designed for whales. People who don't remember a time before Facebook normalized putting your real name online en masse have to be taught that used to not be the norm, that there was a time when privacy and pseudoanon at least was the default. Offering options for those onboard is good, but we also need to push for NON market solutions to change the legal / policy that allowed this to happen.

>>106153887
>investors
Holy shit you cant even read and yet you're calling other people retarded, what nigger faggot redditor you really are.
Why would anyone *care* what investors think when its a free and open source service, do you even know what those words mean? Is this literally your fist day here on /g/ ?
GO. BACK. TO. REDDIT. FAGGOT.

>>106153858
the current economy is based on ads, there are already distributed p2p censorship resistant networks that rely on users contributing bandwidth/storage (see freenet/twister), why would anyone add shitcoin on top while still expecting both?

>>106153920
then install this fucking grift and see the only active threads on it, it's all asking when the shitcoin is gonna start seeing people buyin so they can cashout kek, mug shitcoin based chan is totally free you guise, I just need some users to rugpull

there is no hashchan. I have no clue, why people here are discussing about a project which doesn't even exist.

>>106153813
>Paying to post is retarded
I agree, however its my bet that this sentiment is going to be a privilage of "the golden era" of the internet. If its free its drowning in bots, or one is milked of their (soon to be monetizible) personal data, pay out the yingyang for a walled garden monopoly, or by a premium vpn service. Clear coms for free is going away due to human nature. One will see hashchan in a decade as the most efficient means of acheiving open access, flood resistant, free speech = reach broadcast communication.
>relying on an L2 is also stupid,
I agree as well the decentralization theatre is strong and were not seeing much headway on sequencer dentralization from any of them imho. But hashchan is compatible with any evm chain (with ethereum classic) the top for most secure.

This system is technically extensible into bitcoin op_returns or monero tx_extra. If one is so inclined (may be some caveats to both through)

>>106153955
Hashchan.org for a demosite

Or

>>106147922
But its recommended to serve the dist on localhost

this hashchan guy can't stop spamming

Nobody will connect his wallet and pay to post

hey hashchan users: post at least some screenshots of discussions of your forum. if you don't want to deliver a link.

>>106154010
nobody tell Hiro he can introduce 5cents per nigger, eanna call someone a nigger, pay 5cents, 4chan will become bigger than facebook+tesla in a day

>>106154024
https://hashchan.org/chains/1/boards/1/threads/0x76d488e859b4af8e8eafebdd680b7122dd5e9e7ea81c08527c69b9322e4da42c

the concept of paying for every post is retarded, people will soon understand why plebbit is the way it is

there's no point in trying to convince the guys like this, he's crypto brainwashed, he doesn't understand that blockchain RPCs are not censorship resistant, and that blockchains are not scalable. I don't think he has the required technical knowledge context to understand it, it is bound to fail.


Meanwhile plebbit users will earn money through tipping function ( coming out soon )

>>106153954
Oh I see what you did, you went to the token part of their boards and saw all the posts about it, and didn't go to the other boards that existed, then proceeded to ignore the boards that aren't about the token so your little faggot nigger r*dittor mind could say "ITS ALL ABOUT THE TOKEN!!!!!111"
Like I said in the last post, you can't read. I mean, it's hilarious that you cant even use github of all places, it really must be your first day here you monkey. Go back to r*ddit dumbass, and stay there forever.
Also I didn't need to install anything to browse a website so I can only assume you're also ESL or so flustered that you are just flailing around.

>>106154062
Why do I need a wallet just to lurk??

>>106154062

> No wallet detected

> HashChan requires Ethereum connection

> Initialize web3 provider below


Lol

>>106153915
>Offering options for those onboard is good, but we also need to push for NON market solutions to change the legal / policy that allowed this to happen.
All solutions are market solutions, if you let the government handle those solutions it's just a market solution with a middleman you can't afford to influence.

>>106154109
all the other fucking boards are hidden behing random 128char string as noone is fucking buying your dns bs ans the whole concept ruined, at least the leddit mods would pay for named subs, kek, go back to your all not existing boards, I'm sure there's trillions of them when you can't get more than post a day on your financed frontoage boards, go grift on /biz/ nigger

>>106154098
>blockchain RPCs are not censorship resistant
Yes they are numbnuts, anyone can run a node and if one censors you either run your own or switch to another one. What you want is a free lunch, which doesn't exist.

>>106147946
artificial wombs will

>>106154129
cause it performs clientside indexing of the ethereum event logs and caches them into indexed db. It doesn't depending on the public cloudflare rpc or try to middleman you with its own

>>106154201
>can't read
>can't use github
>can't click links
cope + seethe + dial8 faggot, you don't belong here and it shows

>>106153813
>Paying to post is retarded and relying on an L2 is also stupid
I don't think the endgame for anything is having people pay to post. It'll likely be something related to account abstraction and the service itself funds itself somehow. Overall it's cheap enough now that alternative ways of meeting the bare minimum funding to operate don't seem out of the question.
L2s have multiple tiers of decentralization that they 'graduate' to as time goes on.
You can make trade offs, or even roll your own L2.
It's all pretty transparent exactly what you're dealing with:
https://l2beat.com/scaling/summary
Nothing being discussed in this thread is even 'high stakes' anyway.
I'm not even talking about any specific L2 or project. Just that there's no real reason why someone can't actually create censorship resistant communication at this point where the data availability actually ends up enshrined on chain forever, on a chain that itself has never gone down once in 10 years.
I don't really give a fuck about the specifics of Arbitrum or Base desu. It's like saying the internet is shit because of Facebook and Google, maybe that's true to a certain extent, but for now they're not stopping you from running 4chan.org.
But maybe in the future they will. So the idea that there is potentially some plausible alternative is not something I'm just going to shit on for no reason, regardless of whether there is demand for it for now or not(makes no difference to me, but it might in the future...).

>>106154257
post them, I'm sure your shitcoin ghosttown has millions of hidden communities thriving which is why even the prepaid ones are struggling to have any discussion kek

>>106154131
One can install metamask on their phone as well and use the browser in there

>>106153925
I don't think they should add their shitcoin on top.
I think that is a red flag in general.
There are a handful of crypto projects that actually make real money, like 8, 9 figure revenue(10 figure if you count casinos), and their businesses do not rely on their shitcoin at all in almost every case.

>>106154255
>Error loading threads: An internal error was received. Details: Internal error Version: viem@2.18.2
Do I need to connect to an archive node?

>>106154328
archive nodes work the best but the default rpcs on wallets have been hit and miss.

i've been using the free tier alchemy ones for testing , but the infura ones metamask gives seem mostly okay

brave hasn't come through at all unfortunately

>>106154350
the tech is foolproof tho, just trust us

>>106154262
I'm not against needing a wallet for an account vs making a classic account with a username and password but paying to post, especially for every message is counter intuitive and trying to access a website inside a mobile wallet is just painful as well.
More decentralised options are good regardless, I just hope you/your devs find out how to make it and keep it free really. Retards lose their shit they see anything tangentially related to crpyto (like web3) because they literally cannot comprehend it.
>>106154301
Search the plebbit github, theres links there to the sites that you should have seen it's not difficult you faggot. If you were even half honest you'd have seen them before talking about them. Or were you replying to me, the guy who reminded you that you can say "nigger" here, assuming I was talking about something else? I mean, if so then you should go finish your education and learn how to read.
Either way I'm done with you, you're fucking pathetic and act like a classic redditor, you don't belong here.

>>106154376
Oh no, its pretty much the opposite of foolproof lol. Its very power user orientated at the moment.

The bet is through that rpcs standardize their methods, including things like expected block ranges, over the next 5 years that dapps like this are plug and play

>>106154400
then fucking post them, how hard is it, oh well, if you only knew how computers work, our network is great and tons of people use it, you're just prompting it wrong, dude your whole grift is barely functional poc with barely any users/content, just trust your anti-cp solutions (imgur and charlimit) and it will all fix itself, get fucked retard, try your grift on leddit

reddit trannies need to be necked and hanged

>>106154255
And you think this will convince people to use your site? I'm actually interested in this project. But before I create a wallet and all this bullshit, I want to know what hashchan is. So far I have see nothing, what would justify the effort of creating a wallet.

>>106154350
Ah well fuck. I can't run an archive node at home right now. I guess I'll try alchemy or look into running a base or OP archive node.

>>106154434
pathetic, no, I will not tell you how to use MSPaint either.
dont @ me again either, you disingenuous cunt. way to prove you didn't even use the service before talking about it, I know what your next response will be, but no one cares since you just like to talk and cry and bitch about something you havent even tried, like a REDDITOR, yes I'm mad, mad about faggots like you existsing on this fucking board and website. feel free to hate other *free as in freedom* options that arent your precious r*ddit though you pathetic piece of shit.

>>106154519
tunnelvision, if I only create a product tied to shitcoin it will gain value, that's the investor-think, now translate it to (totally optional) endusers, why would I use your shitcoin backed half baked product? Uh what? It uses a shitcoin dood

>>106154400
>but paying to post, especially for every message is counter intuitive
you don't get it, you either pay to post or create a new token system (totally not money bro!) where you "get tipped" (paid) to propagate data over the p2p. The data has to get hosted somewhere, and if you aren't tracking who is contributing to the p2p and who is leeching it's trivial to destroy an anonymous ecosystem. Think about torrents and how dead public trackers are compared to private trackers that enforce sharing rules (in a centralized way). Now think about how you could possibly do that in a decentralized way, and you will always arrive at money ("favor tokens").

>>106154600
why did you cut their posts/day stats? Is it because all of these are below 0.1 kek, muh thriving shitcoin based communities

>>106154519
>And you think this will convince people to use your site?

not really to be honest, the goal is a 5 year long cold march maintaining the pure technical vision of the project with no compromises to farm any sort of metrics. The bet is every solution currently available gets worse to enshittification, bot floods, and gov't crack downs, while the base infrastructure of crypto gets easier to work with.

By the time the march nears completion, your wallet would exist before you even installed your browser, and its funded with the same ease one uses their banking app today.

until then its coralling the intellectual minority, the visionaries, the creators of genuinine OC, the technological brilliance so when the day comes, good old Pippin will light the beacon at minas tirith, and we carry that flame to Rohan to lay waste to the botswarm gulag

>>106143107 (OP)
i've actually been working on something similar to this, except it's more like a cross between 4chan and usenet.

>>106153908
Yeah... I'm interested, but I want to see something before I put in effort for wallets and giving someone money.

>>106154600
latest post 2h ago, all rest paintjobbed away, muh thriving community guise, time to cash out, you guise are so blatantly obvious

>>106154602
hashchan has no token, or takes no cuts, plebbits the one doing the coin (which for the record makes sense for something like plebbit, just not for 4chan

>>106154543
oh for clarity, the free alchemy isn't an archive, just a dedicated rpc should be sufficient

>>106154605
attention somehow works in dht world, people choose to torrent things they are interested in and pay 0 for it, noooooo you need our shitcoin for p2p somehow

>>106154400
>I'm not against needing a wallet for an account vs making a classic account with a username and password but paying to post, especially for every message is counter intuitive and trying to access a website inside a mobile wallet is just painful as well.
>More decentralised options are good regardless, I just hope you/your devs find out how to make it and keep it free really. Retards lose their shit they see anything tangentially related to crpyto (like web3) because they literally cannot comprehend it.
I'm just a random observer and not involved with anything crypto related at all atm.
But in the future I don't expect anyone to need a wallet to use a simple app for communication or something similar. It should be cheap enough that if this is implemented correctly and spam can be stopped then https://ethereum.org/en/roadmap/account-abstraction/ should make the whole UX completely different ie:
>define your own flexible security rules
>recover your account if you lose the keys
>share your account security across trusted devices or individuals
>pay someone else's gas, or have someone else pay yours
This is the most important part imo, since any imageboard or website already does this by paying for compute. So this could enable this same style of UX and not requiring wallets or even accounts that last longer than your session would actually change everything(if they actually pull it off properly)
>batch transactions together
This to keep the costs minimal, on top of already batching transactions on to an L2(not sure how much this will matter).
In theory if they implement this correctly you could probably run an imageboard or something similar with no accounts or wallets. People shouldn't even know or care what is running in the back end.
It won't be free or anything for the people running the service, but it's not going to be like it has been where you try to force the cost directly on the user upfront, which is kind of a non-starter.

>>106154629
>good old Pippin will light the beacon at minas tirith, and we carry that flame to Rohan to lay waste to the botswarm gulag
based

>>106154651
haven't looked yet at hashgrift, is there a technical issue it solves or is it freenet but on top of blockhcain type of 'tech'?

>>106154699
hashchan addresses overzealous mod teams and leaky archives. Its design does away with the central server making it not a platform that can be targeted by gov't authority. It requires selfhosting image content and opt in sharing to protect users from pizza and hotdog problems, it imposes an asymmetric cost on flooders, shillers and sliders that, at scale can feed back to users.

its token free, ad free, captcha free, all open source use how you want liscence

>>106154629
wtf am I reading??

>>106154605
plebbit doesn't charge money to post, the data is run through IPFS apparently and hosted by the owner of their node. I wouldnt tip anyone either. You can barely get people to pay for an active social network, trying to get them to pay for one with no users (like plebbit and hashchan) would be near impossible except for a tiny amount of eclectic losers (no offense, we're all losers here).
>>106154618
because it wasnt relevant to the discussion we were having, knowing if I showed them you would make some smartass comment to distract from the actual thing we were talking about (the site only being about the token).
>>106154639
way to doublepost to cope with being called out for being a verified worthless tourist. You don't belong here. Go back.
>>106154696
Theres probably a way to just give everyone an "account" without them needing to actually own it anyway. I think the issue is that at some point, someone needs to be paying for any of this, via running their own server or storing the data. So any new social media-like venture will need money regardless, or people constantly spending money, via their own servers/hardware/internet or by ads or users paying.

FFS I came here looking at some cool projects and some fucking faggot redditor obsessed with CP, crypto and userbase counts for new alternatives that arent glowed up as fuck ruined the vibes. I hope he loses his high-karma account after saying some wrongspeak , i really do.

>plebbit

>>106154771
lets compare to twister:
uses blockchain to store users pubkeys to protect from censorship
how does hashchan compare?
ppl use dht yo disseminate their posts (and people they follow, YOU decide who to follow, no accidental cp relaying, no censor authority, best of all worlds)
all I see is people worrying about the wrong issues, who carss about flooding except cryotobros (muh chain limits), dht is free from that, ppl decide to follow people, trillions of bots following each other make zero impact on that, problem solves itself

>>106154809
it's literally a ghost town and all the: just search on github for active communities links was trying to pretend it isn't fuck off grifter

>>106154677
Not talking about plebbit, hashchan uses no tokens just ethereum gas.
>>106154696
You know this would just result in goodwill being destroyed as spammers target the open instances. This is how all altchans die.

>>106154809
>Theres probably a way to just give everyone an "account" without them needing to actually own it anyway. I think the issue is that at some point, someone needs to be paying for any of this, via running their own server or storing the data. So any new social media-like venture will need money regardless, or people constantly spending money, via their own servers/hardware/internet or by ads or users paying.
Yes, money definitely has to be involved. It's just that finally after all these years people will realize that forcing the money upfront on the user and making them have a loaded wallet and such is just bad UX.
It's like, 'crypto' will get used when it makes sense to. But users essentially should never even realize that they're 'using crypto'. Like to me Paypal's stable USD coin and the number in their database are essentially the same thing to me personally. Whether it's 'crypto' or not doesn't really matter too much except in exceptional situations.
It's likely eventually just going to become part of the backend for projects that have a use for it(not likely the majority, unless governments worldwide start to act like the UK).

>>106154809
>the data is run through IPFS apparently and hosted by the owner of their node.
data needs to be pinned on IPFS to be available, it doesn't just spread out for free. If the node owner is the only one pinning it (why would users pin anything?) then that's a central point of failure.

>>106154920
again solved by dht, if you have followers they also host your content, if you're a bot/spamner you host it yourself, like jesus guys, have cryptobros worked on anything in real world it seems like they are vibe coding large scale networks from scratch with zero experience

>>106154917
I agree really, its why I said before that I'm fine with needing a "wallet" to use the web3 parts of websites, but it would be much better if it was invisible to people, plenty of people have kneejerk reactions to even the idea of things being affiliated with crypto that it sends them into a spin. As for the 2nd part, most money is already digital anyway so it makes sense that if stablecoins become common, most people arent going to notice any differece.
>>106154920
I dont really understand IPFS or the plebbit protocol that well either (I only quickly looked at the github, something that the redditor tourist seething at my posts doesn't seem able to do) but you are also probably right, I just want to use websites and services, I don't actively want to support them with my own resources. I'm sure there *will* be small amounts of people willingly doing those things, the hardest part is probably more on getting enough of them in one place to make any of it worthwhile to use in the first place, without users none of these services will ever take off or really go anywhere.
At least the idea and dream of a non-controlled service is being kept alive, even if other people hate the idea of freedom.

>>106154968
The issue being argued about is how to raise the cost of spam, which is where the crypto component comes in. It costs resources to moderate posts, it costs nothing to make a post (or a thousand). There is an asymmetry in costs here, which is why IBs die.

>>106154920

plebbit is not the default IPFS client, it's a custom IPFS client, when reading/posting in a community, you are a peer and seeding for that community, unless you specifically turn this off. Similar to how bittorrent clients work, you are seeding by default, unless you turn that off. And bittorrent has enough people that don't turn it off, plebbit is the same.

there's no concept of "pinning" in plebbit, that's something that only exist in the official ipfs client.

>>106155022
>I don't actively want to support them with my own resources
This is a big problem and the reason we are in the mess we are in. Everyone expects everything for free, and won't contribute anything, but then we get ads, tracking, censorship and faggotry. Nothing is for free.

>>106155058
Thanks for the explanation, but you shouldn't let people turn it off. Relying on people's laziness works until it doesn't, and would be a point of failure if the freeloaders (or malicious elements) ever outweigh the lazy/altruistic.

>>106155066
As a user of a service I provide value by being +1, participating in the community and possibly telling friends about it/sharing it. We all do the same, its "free" marketing.
It's just something that "someone else" needs to solve and if it isn't solved then people will just stick with the more popular, worse services because its free+easy.

>>106154887
>You know this would just result in goodwill being destroyed as spammers target the open instances. This is how all altchans die.
Yeah, spam would have to be figured out and mitigated in someway for sure.

>>106155048
it's a fake problem, if only bots carry their dht of posts you will only reach them on viewing parent post, you're not going to siddenly start following a bot, they can spam their posts to their hearts content or until their power bill comes back, noone will be respreading them, while they waste money on their existance sure there will be spam, but you can add some proof of work types of shit to deal with it, it's an afterthought in normal systems, not a basic thing like it is for crypto based grift

>>106155092
This is an extremely entitled view of how things work. Yes, BigTech has conditioned you to believe that being a cow and giving up your milk makes you equal partners with the farmer. This is not the case, and if you want censorship resistance you must be willing to get rid of the farmer role.

Do you realize that the ideal form of this new service will have no one befitting from your brave and generous contributions? A p2p swarm will have no owner by design, so you aren't enriching anyone by using the platform and it's not enough to scream into the void and expect everyone to echo it for you.

>>106155117
So "in some way" is either paying with your money or paying with your time in the form of annoying captchas. 4chan currently gives you the option for both, which is nice.

>>106155177
no, you can pay with bandwidth/storage by hosting content of people you trust/follow, no money involved, just trust

>>106155121
You're talking about twitter, and you have a serious discoverability problem if you only see posters you "follow". Anonymous imageboards are very different and the anonymity is obviously central to the way the community works. So no, it wouldn't work that way for IBs.

>>106155167
It may be entitiled but Im also "free" to not use the service and tell my friends "I dont use Z" and chances are they wont use Z either since no one else is.
If you can't get users on board and let them do near nothing, then why would they want to work or pay to do the same elsewhere? If no one is using a social media, then the social media won't get used and is practically useless as a social media for the people.
Edge cases always exist but you need to understand what I said above if you don't want to stay an edge-case forever.

>>106155167
you can have a million fake users/bots swarming next to real users, the only buyin you have a random retard following your AI spewing bot and he will be the only part of the real user searm with that shit as his followers don't automatically start hosting his followed content, it's really not that hard to make such thing, it already exists and functions, you'll have to keeo your bots 100% up to hope to have any traction already kills 99% of botfarms

>>106155201
no, for discoverability you see latest timeposts and yeah, you can game this, but it's useless long term, who cares about latest bot aiposting about latest shit, indeed network built on trust needs time to build actual connections not only community notes

>>106155258
you can tell when cryptobros are in charge when the question: what if someone shitposts? Is the hardest to answer, why would anyone spend money to shitpost, this breaks our.blockchain economics. People will shitpost, until your glorified 'pay for post', suddenly it will be only ads presented as blogposts/ideaposts. Noone cares for forprofiternet on top of free internet, noone did, noone will, imagine if internet proponents assumed every interaction over the net required gas and id kek

>>106154630
Does it have uptoves and downvotes? Otherwise I'm not joining.

>>106155459
i'd pay 5 cents to downvote this with an animated emoji

bongbros are just waiting for someone to allow them to call starmer a nigger for a quid, great business plan

>>106155434
thirdie very worried he will lose access to grace white people with his retarded opinions should the real cost of his retardation be born by his own wallet.

>dude social media would be heckin AWESOME if only it had XYZ
dont you retards realize that internet socialization is the problem. it doesnt matter how many decentralized features you cram into it.

>>106156102
>internet socialization is the problem
please explain

>>106150430
Pay to post doesn't solve corporations (who have infinitely more money than you, your friends, your family, your friends' family, and your family's friends combined) and governments (can print money) swarming hashchan with bots. It only prevents script kiddies and third worlders from spamming, which to be fair is totally worth it.

>>106152108
>private trackers and invite--only communities
This kills me. This is just another form of "paying," you are no better than the record labels. Dump that shit onto hyphanet and ipfs for free you fucking gaylord, or stfu! I think /PTG/ should be banned as advertising. Fuck you and your "Neener neener we're a private club and you can't join" drivel, it's so old!

>>106158316
cope and seethe, retard.

>>106144070
Gopher has no real SSL yet though your searches are in the clear

>>106143366
>hashchans
sounded good until I read
>Mass adoption boosts crypto prices
I'm getting tinfoil hat level scepticism about who is behind all of this now

This shit is unironically impressive.

>>106154859
>ppl use dht yo disseminate their posts
Its more fault tolerant, retreivable and consistent using blockchain event logs, no black hole relays, protocol network partitions or fragmentation
>YOU decide who to follow
Chans dont have a follow feature by design, it makes for purer discourse of ideas rather than indentity politic brand grifts
>who carss about flooding
Pic related its the number one tactic to destroy this site, post a good thread, posts per minute spike and its one page five immediately, doesnt work its filled with nonsense and low quality bait

>>106160151
Its predicated on the notion that network demand and base token prices are directly coorelated. More demand for netork-> higher prices. The manufacture of consent and implementing the containment control algorithms rest on the ability to shout faster and louder than everyone, to keep signal dominance.
If mass adoption is achieved with hashchan theyd have to drive network demand to continue their 5g warfare playbook, boosting prices

Any nation state, corporation or ngo does this, the victims are sys admins and citizens of the republic so im not sure what your cui bono is

bump because I haven't caught up to the thread yet

>>106143107 (OP)
Glowies gonna flood this in no ime

Bump

>/g/ realizing that there is a grassroots project with a 100% airdropped supply across 4chan back in 2022 , dev funded (no scammer VCs) with a tiny 3M MCAP, offeirng an innovative solution to authoritarian censorship.

this project is plebbit and its fully opensource, free to use P2P public forum with no HTTPS endpoints or SSL, making it actually decentralized unlike federated alternatives.

Tipping, DAO voting to curate the default feed and optional subplebbit monetization.

The token is optional and can be used for tipping, allowing you to earn some money by posting on Plebbit. However, using the platform is completely free.


You don’t need the token to post or create your own community or anything like that. Our plans for the token is to be used for tipping (in a decentralized manner, without relaying on payment processors) and voting within Plebbit clients (which is up to the client dev).


There will be a new UI clients of :

Discord
Telegram
Meetup
Vbulletin
Discourse
Facebook groups


Join plebbit tg for more info

>>106162665
>p2p
>serverless
>look inside
>centralized

>>106162735
show where
btw: open source

>>106162735

Yes it's fully Peer-to-Peer and decentralized

>Code is fully open source on githubh

>>106162753
>>106162786
Yeah no shit I know, I made the mistake of reading the whitepaper.

>>106162807
im so sorry, i never read it and i never will

>>106162665
>The token is optional and can be used for tipping
there is no reason to use a separate token for tipping, it serves no purpose other than trying to enrich the early adopters which is scummy. Many projects do this, like Signal, and every time people called it out.

>>106163128
Theyre going to let board owners select any token they want to use for tipping, also that part isn't even functional yet.

>>106163307
You understand that this doesn't change the fact that "token not needed" applies here, right? "Oh, we're giving them option to use it!" doesn't matter, it should just not exist because it immediately sets off warning bells in people who are tired of crypto grifts. Look at the thread full of people having knee-jerk reactions to any mention of cyrpto, even entirely legitimate and necessary ones.

>>106163364
im not the dev but i get it, maybe theyll do ETH/SOL/BNB and also their own token for tipping so it doesnt look as bad but i dont know either way

>>106163364
>it should just not exist because it immediately sets off warning bells in people who are tired of crypto grifts
/thread
I make my fucking living with crypto and even I instantly get a bad taste in my mouth when a project uses crypto for no fucking reason. It's ALWAYS a red flag that the owners are either retarded, scammers, or both.
If you want to use crypto at least force people to use XMR or something other sensible instead of running your own L2 or L3 shitcoin no one asked for since the only reason to do that is to enrich yourself.
Also how the fuck are you going to incentivize people to run any of the necessary infrastructure mentioned in the whitepaper if your 0.000000000$ shit token isn't even used because the data runs on a blockchain or anything it's just there for tipping.

>>106163421
>the data runs on a blockchain or anything it's just there for tipping.
the way these work is they launch the token, hold a bunch of it, promote some pointless use-case that no one is gonna actually use it for, then sell them to dipshits who think the use-case sounds legit (and so on, until they run out of greater fools to baghold)

>>106163421

Plebbit is built on IPFS

Who the fuck wants to use a social media site with hoops to jump through?
Security means nothing. The entire selling point of 4chan has been no accounts, zero hoops, no sign up. Literally anyone can post anywhere anytime. This is how 4chan shitposting has gotten farther than any other website.

Unless you're making a portfolio piece for your cybersecurity job, an ultra secure social media site is worthless since it will have no users.

If you want to avoid censorship you self censor and use euphemisms. That's what normal people have been doing. Otherwise what the fuck are you going to post? NDA breaking rumors? Copyright infringing secrets? How Jews control the weather?

These threads are like listening to mechanics design a car with ultra tinted windows to the point nobody can see or drive the car.

>>106163905
The arguement seems to be that the normal sites are getting destroyed to botnets on one end and govt censorship crackdowns on the other end. So the days of zero hoop jumping are coming to an end.

>>106164028
Yes, but these discussions are misguided because they misunderstand what social media sites are at their core.

These are internet malls, town squares. This is where everyone meets up because it's close to them. What privacy dorks obsess over is creating a secret hideout in the sewers or woods where nobody can snoop on them.
And that's fine, but privacy dorks think this will replace towns squares and malls where people want to casually meet up. Nobody is going to follow them into these private corners.

>>106143107 (OP)
>calling it plebbit
Wow, they already fucked up. Amazing.

>>106143900
>text board
I always thought oekaki was the way to go. images are risky because someone could spam illegal pixels at your site, but if they had to draw those pixels then it's not worth it.
But it's still useful for illustrating ideas, or just doodling.
But yeah, the bandwidth thing is a good point too. Could always limit it to 2bit low res.
I like the idea overall and if you spam it enough here I might join.
Add Chess.

If I made an image board every image would have to be pre-approved. Every month users can submit images they want in rotation, but you can't post anything you want. Saves moderation staff the headache. I don't even want to look at the public ban list here because it's fucked.
Users can link images from other publicly moderated image hosting sites, and those would appear like they were posted themselves.

The entire thing would SFW.

>P2P social media
The reason I don't like P2P social media is it just helps build the panopticon. The whole censorship resistant thing means denormalizing chat to all clients and usually a node for when people are offline. A node that can't get scrubbed meaning all your chat is immortalized forever. Its why IRC was a better protocol because you could just chat for a time and know that it would expire. The whole problem with the internet is that everything persist.

>>106164327
>>106163905
This isn't about information security you sperg, this is about censorship resistance and integrity of the social system. Just because you're too fucking stupid to understand the need or how it works doesn't mean the rest of us don't appreciate the experiments the various devs are running.
>why do we need this Face Book thing anyway? having to buy a computer, set up an internet connection, create an account when I can just go next door and talk to my neighbor like a normal person?

>>106164872
If you secure your door too much you end up locking yourself in. How about just create social protocols that subvert the system so you can still get info across.

Normies using words like pdfs and unalive are more effective circumventions against censorship than your impenetrable treehouse that nobody uses.

>>106143366
>moderationless social website
yeah, it's going to get taken down because people will start posting cp, gore, and other shit ISP don't want to host. We've been down this road before.

>>106164915
>Normies using words like pdfs and unalive are more effective circumventions against censorship
no they aren't retard, I know you are very impressed that facebook can't be assed to police the euphemism treadmill but on the free internet we're gonna just say nigger. Enjoy your cucknet where the "small hats" require DNA verification so that you can watch "jogger' porn.

>>106164950
You're the epitome of SNC punk. A complete poser who wants to signal how much if a jackerman you are, not realizing that people who are openly posting shit on twitter are doing more than you.
Yeah go on and post slurs in your private discord, you're really shaking things up in your circle jerk cum chamber.

>>106164984
Continue posting ever lamer euphemisms while your chastity cage tightens despite your reddit-tier "activism". We're all so impressed with you redpilling the boomers and reviving kekistan or whatever gay shit you're alluding to.

>>106164785
well i don't like information dying and being lost forever
might as well have censorship then if nothing last anyway, there's literally no difference

Why 4chan is the only useful place to get info because everything is archived and never deleted (not intentionally, there is unfortunately data loss, mostly in the form of images however, text is relatively rarely totally lost, there's nearly full archives for some boards going back to 2006 now)
unlike everywhere else that's full of deleted posts ever other place you look, or locked in discord/telegram/irc

only actual chats as in just shooting the shit should really be ephemeral

>>106165367
The reason why 4chan works is that data is fuckin worthless. 99% of the info on the internet doesn't need to be saved.
But what 4chan has created is an oral culture, and with an oral culture comes simplification, and there truth goes through Occam's razor.
The reason why 4chan had a cultural victory of the internet is because the simplest truth can spread through any filter. Nobody is going to read the mountains of articles and phony research done by leftists. The simple meme facts on the right win.

>>106143107 (OP)
>no porn
DOA

>>106164948
Hashchan circumvents this by requiring hotlinking/self hosting of images/videos, just hashes are onchain. Any dcma take downs, lawfare is juat forwarded to the person down the street. This is how it protects other users from liability. Users can still pin images of others, but its opt in, not opt out by default

>>106164327
Hashchan tries to target a similar anonymity profile to 4chan. And its done by how a user funds their wallet. They cant namefag with an ens name, can fund a fresh wallet from coinbase to only they know, or run it through a chip mixer to be probably more anon than here but less anon than an onionchan.

Public squares dont need eyeball scans or monopoly entrance fees, but they do require at cost maintenance borne by the public

>>106165591
Than can namefag`

>>106165591
Sounds convoluted. So in order to post I need a crypto wallet?

>>106165618
Yes, and an rpc connection to view stuff. This will become more normal over time as the US has gone balls deep with crypto. But it serves a deeper purpose of not creating a targetable point for government censors, as is happening in the uk and than next year in the eu . Theres nothing to serve lawfare to for hashchans

Should do a thread on just hashchan, sounds promising.

>>106165591

there's no point you aret
Trying to convince prople that hashchn is superior, you are crypto brainwashed, you don't understand that blockchain RPCs are not censorship resistant, and that blockchains are not scalable. I dont think you have the required technical knowledge context to understand it, your technical design cannot work at all, it is bound to fail.

Stop solo spamming /g/threads

>Nobody will connect his evm wallet ( risking his funds ) on anon site and pay gas fees everytime he makes a post.


>Plebbit is selfhosted pure peer-to-peer protocol without no global admins and built on IPFS


>The only crypto feature.. is that ens domains are used as username / communities names and that's optional


Plebbit is free to use . In fact People will earn plebbit token / ethereum / etc... while posting on plebbit


Plebbit has different UI already for old Reddit and 4chan clients and more to come soon.


Plebbit code is fully open source and anyone can build client on top of it ..

>>106164785
IRC was a waste of time, 99% of it was small talk and the remaining 1% was stuff that should have been posted on forums so that it could be properly discussed. At least, this was my experience around 2007-2008. We need to go back to forums, one of these days I'll have to make one...

>>106165767
How is an RPC not censorship resistant? You can run one yourself.

>>106165646
If I'm going through a paywall I'll use somethingawful.
Lainchan was unbearable because of how dead it was, and it was one of the faster Chans. I can't imagine how slow hackchan is

>>106165647
>106165647
here i made on on the sepolia testnet so no one needs to spend actual crypto

https://hashchan.org/chains/11155111/boards/1/threads/0x1f6e7963b15f6d535d9cc07c295017fdc404aed7efe62c81092aa053fc1f9f84

one one needs some to try just post a public address here

>desu archive notlinks work, (but 4cdn thinks one is a bot)

>alchemy rpcs got worse with logs, the default infura ones from meta mask working great

>>106165865
I mean a thread on 4/g/ to discuss hashchan, rather than anons getting hung up on plebbit which is the topic of this thread.

>>106165767
>you don't understand that blockchain RPCs are not censorship resistant, and that blockchains are not scalable
Rpcs are supposed to be interm solutions, it was never part of the original vision of ethereum, were supposed to have nodes at home or light clients on our phones. This is coming down the line, especially in a crypto native USA. And with eip 7805 and the ofac withdrawing sanctions on tornado cash block inclusion is rock solid as well. Text data fits onchain just fine its like 1/10 or 1/100 of a penny and up- scalability only a problem with images and video streaming which it directs to ipfs and hotlinks.

Its a different to to plebbit, id never do a reddit clone as hashchab as they love their kingmod and ubboat karma systems, for chans though this makes way more sense

>>106165982
Rpc providers' were never

>>106165905
ah haha, half the time i tr to do a hashchan thread its been deleted by the mods and i get a week ban for adverts, so i've been staying in others threads

hashchan devs touch little kids

>>106165767
>>Plebbit is selfhosted pure peer-to-peer protocol without no global admins and built on IPFS
>>106143728
>Doesnt the ipfs pubsub on plebbit conform to hub and spoke
>>106155058
>when reading/posting in a community, you are a peer and seeding for that community, unless you specifically turn this off.
part i want to know about plebbit is if i'm serving jpegs from another persons machine without me knowing . the fallout from the (ate)chanpocalypse and the zeronet hacks drove alot of the design decisions for hashchan

anyone gonna mention ipfs is basicly like public bittorrent trackers, everyone knows whos seeing/original seeder your ip is anonymous its quite loud and open

>Hashchan

some people think that crypto solve all censorship problems but that's just not true, it doesnt scale and RPCs arent censorship resistant, nobody will run their own ETH node (let alone archival node) just to post on 4chan.


Plebbit is superior imo

I just finished reading the whitepaper, and I suggest anyone who in uncensored social media to take look at plebbit Github. It's one game changel, they already have reddit and 4chan UI clients etc... but their shit token is a redflag...

Plebbit is like a BitTorrent for social media

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>>106165982


plebbit solves this, you don't need to sync an entire blockchain to run a full node, you don't need to sync anything, you dont need to ask an RPC that can censor you, you open the client, you're already synced, you want to read a community? it takes 1 second to download the first page fully P2P from peers, you don't need to sync the entire community, you just download the posts as you're scrolling

>>106166385
plebbit makes sense for reddits, whose users seem fine with a kingmod and ban hammer and want to grow reputations with upboats and karma. It'll succumb to the same sys admin inflitration that happened on reddit. wont give up your spot, they'll bot swarm a community 10x its size with fake engagement and steal the users, free speech =/= reach as the mod can simply remove what they dont like.

many rpc providers to choose from, and the hurdle to running your own node decreases by the day. you get a distributed archive and cryptographic provenance so free speech = reach. reddits love their mods, chans hate them, which is why pluggable mod service (none or many) is more fitting for chans.

plebbit is great but sticking a chan atop software designed for reddit came out as expected, sorry

also redit will be alot more accepting of a erc20 coin, there is so much cynicism amongst the chans it has to be no token, no cuts, no dao ,etc

I worked on something similar to hashchan a few years ago at a hackathon. It's a really interesting problem, and tricky.
I cannot think of anything better than PoW and maybe RLN for spam protection. People won't want to pay for posting, besides in the form that they currently do, which is exposure to advertising. This can be mimicked in the form of ad-subsidised "clients," but this essentially centralises, resulting in a mainstream censored view and alternative unofficial ones.
Same goes for moderation in general. Kleros-like tribunals are an option, but there's nothing really at stake, and to create something at stake leads to cryptocurrency.
Hosting is pretty easy, IPFS etc. is the solution (e.g. this works for torrents and has pretty relaxed assumptions).

>>106166595
Well said. The bet with hashchan is eventually this hesitancy to pay to post is overcome because the internet becomes very preditorial. Bots flood the free spaces, walled gardens monopolize and charge exorbitant subscriptions, a premium vpn becomes necessary just to lurk. Ideally if these get worse enough they see the most efficient option is to chuck some gas to a blockchain, and as that system to deals with spam or grief that a market for mods emerges.

Hopefully it never gets there, but hashchans and ypur project stand ready when it does

Hope for the best
Prepare for the worse

>>106166176
Speaking from experience?