Thread 106157573

Chat Control is going live in Europe. Prepare your anus, EU cucks for your WEF 2030 target goals.

You have no privacy
You have no security
You have no freedom

Orwell's novel was a guidebook.

>>106157573 (OP)
Set up a server to spam encrypted garbage that looks like one time pad shit in messages. Waste their time.

>>106157573 (OP)
Why is the west always a few steps behind China. Right now China is encouraging their citizens to obtain an internet certificate to go online. The west should start doing this right now otherwise they'll never catch up

>>106157573 (OP)
It's fucking shit, I hate this timeline.

>>106157573 (OP)
I don't really use chats to communicate with people.

>>106159234
Fucking BASED
TOTAL
NORMGROID
GENOCIDE

>>106159244
this is a dumb argument.
Okay, ignore it. Not like they'll stop at this one service your retarded ass doesn't use. They'll censor or monitor one thing after another until you have nothing left. But keep up that great attitude anon. Your local glowie must be happy.

>Yesterday :Aha get fucked bongs
>Today : Govern me harder daddy Hans
Really, honestly, truly 100% Pathetic. I'm glad we are not in the EU anymore and they have absolutely ZERO say in any of our business.

>>106159318
all yuropoor to me anon

>>106159318
Your both getting fucked in the ass anon, the only difference is the type of lube being used.
These decisions need to stop, I don't live in europe but I still don't like it 'cause if europe or the UK does it, then it sets a precedent for 'lesser' countries to follow suit.
It's starting in your countries, but it's coming to the rest of the world.

But I thought it was just them wanting to ban pron...

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
Here's a link for a better detailed info about this shit.

>>106159550
After seeing the UK how is anyone ok with this shit? EUbros can't make fun of china now.

>>106159202
China doesn't do any of this stuff.
They are just lying to you and telling you that China does this, so that it looks less evil when they themselves do it.

>>106159202
>>106159578
Mass surveillance in China is bad because their government is bad and they are doing it for evil reasons.
Mass surveillance in the West is good because Western governments are good and they are doing it for good reasons.

>>106159578
>China doesn't do any of this stuff.
could you be any vaguer? they don't even deny doing worse. they just justify it. you're a retard.

>>106157573 (OP)
>this goes through
>they start arresting people for using un-encrypted chats or backdoored chats
>people just start using encrypted chats instead since it'll be as easy as downloading an app anyway

Nothingburger.

>>106157573 (OP)
they can't prevent me from using pgp lol

If you don't give people an outlet, a place to blow off steam it will just simmer unseen for a while until it explodes and seeps into real life

I don't even use chat apps, so I don't care, these dumb measures will result in riots and overthrown governments and leadership in the longrun, which might actually be good, don't care

>>106159625
Sure:
>China does not have a social credit system.
>You can buy winnie the pooh toys on aliexpress.
>China does not have a Digital Id
>You can say that you hate Xi Jinping and the only thing that will happen to you, is that ordinary citizen will tell you to shut the fuck up
>China does not jail people for social media posts
>Chinese government interference in their large corporations is smaller then the US government interference in theirs
>China does not have high ranking politicians taking bribes. If they would be caught doing that, they would be removed from existence
>There is no evidence that China has paid government shills on Social Media
>China has only half the prison population of the US
Meanwhile:
>US has a social credit system called credit scores
>US, UK and EU all currently implement a the Digital ID
>1500 people got sued by the last German government for insults on Social Media
>850 people get arrested in London for Social Media posts each year
>There are "ex"-feds in the highest ranks of every Western single big tech company, especially in positions about censorship
>You already get your messages scanned on all major platforms, Facebook scanned your message before sending during covid and blocked it if you linked to an anti-vax group
>Every single year we have another corruption scandal in the EU and there are more lobbyists in Brussel than there are politicians
>Western governments openly admit that they throw billions into Social Media campaigns

>>106159636
retard,
Android and iOS will be forced to scan your messages before you send them.
And since Google Play Attestation and Apples Attestation are a thing, you will just get locked out of society if you use a tinker troon phone that doesn't have that.

>>106159234
>>106157573 (OP)
Stop voting for people over the age of 40 you dumb fucks.

>>106159625
>they don't even deny doing worse
If anything, they fearmonger people. But their actions are definitely far less drastic than in the dystopian West.
Remember those fake Chink videos during CoViD?
Apparently people collapsing dead in the street? Doors getting welded shut to lock people in?
None of that happened.

Did you know that China never even had a country wide lockdown!
Did you know that nobody in China was threatened to get fired if he refused the vax? It was never even a consideration. There was never a vax mandate for anyone, nor did anyone ever even consider it.

>>106159793
>>China does not have a Digital Id
>You can say that you hate Xi Jinping and the only thing that will happen to you, is that ordinary citizen will tell you to shut the fuck up
>China does not jail people for social media posts
>Chinese government interference in their large corporations is smaller then the US government interference in theirs
>China does not have high ranking politicians taking bribes.
>There is no evidence that China has paid government shills on Social Media
All false
You can't even make a qq acocunt without id. Kill yourself you stupid brown faggot. You can't even speak chinese.

>>106159889
Lie somewhere else, glowfag.
You are literally living in the late-stage Soviet Union, where they preach to you every single day how you are free, while the people on the other side of the iron curtain are non-free, while your government shits on your face in a never seen before extent.

>>106159880
>Did you know that China never even had a country wide lockdown!
What is this cope lmao if you lock down all major cities at once it doesn't matter if we call it a "country wide lockdown" or not. The US also never had such a lockdown by that token. Meanwhile people were literally sealed in their 3ft.x3ft chinkboxes for weeks, this is pure cope

>>106159909
The lockdown in Wuhan ended on the 8th April 2020 and they had no lockdown after it.

>>106159812
>install apps with e2e encryption
How would this prevent or scan that? Via a keylogger?

>>106159903
Show us your qq account then brownoid.
>they preach to you every single day how you are free, while the people on the other side of the iron curtain are non-free,
This is literally what China does when they block all websites that go against them, such as Wikipedia.

>>106159916
So you think the phone, on which you type the message, is not able to see what you type, because there is an encryption applied on sending?

>>106159925
>b-but China blocks Western platforms!!!
Maybe if Western platforms wouldn't be run by glowfags spreading the dumbest propaganda in human history to rot the brain of their audience, they wouldn't need to do that.

>>106159914
They lockoed down Shanghai in 2022, already more than a year after covid ended for non bug people. Chinks, having no freedom, had no choice but to accept it and stay in their hives.

>>106159909
>they welded people into 3ft.3ft boxes!
And you believe this?
You consider yourself free and educated, and you believe this?

>>106159942
So you think ordinary chinese will go onto english speaking platforms to brainwash themselves, and the ccp must step innto save them? How convenient

>>106157573 (OP)
I thought EU are the good guys.
Are everyone russian asset nowadays? Are they preparing for WW3?

>>106159944
>They lockoed down Shanghai in 2022
almost as if:
>China never even had a country wide lockdown

Will you also tell us that people were allowed to protest against the lockdown in Shanghai, that not a single person who protested got jailed and that the government lifted the lockdown in consequence of the protest?

Meanwhile i myself here collected five fines for being part of anti-lockdown protests, that we also only could do during times the government specifically gave allowance for them.

>>106159931
>>106159550
Based on this its implemented via social media platforms.

I only use IRC and 4chan
They can't censor IRC lol

>>106159952
Yes, it did happen:
>The country is dealing with multiple coronavirus outbreaks despite some of the toughest pandemic measures in the world, which include welding shut the doors of people suspected of being infected.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/beijing-winter-olympics-china-covid-omicron-lockdown/

>>106159829
People under 40 want the most censorship though.
Zoomies absolutely LOVE censorship and Gen Alpha thinks it's great too.

>>106159961
Chinse do not go onto english speaking platforms, which you can verify here on 4chan.

4chan is not banned in China.

It is the admittedly and proven glowfag propaganda platforms that get banned. If you want to be allowed to run in China, the only thing you have to do is to not have an FBI dude in your censorship department.
4chan is fed controlled, but they have plausible deniability.

>>106159994
>They can't censor IRC lol
They can just read it outright instead, yes.

>>106159995
wow, almost as if your media lies to you

>>106159980
Lol, did they protest indoors? Nobody beleives you faggot. Shutting down an entire city over flu is unacceptable to any free human being, certainly more than a year after the fact.

>>106160007
Not if everyone uses SSL

>>106160012
It's almost as if you are a 70iq brownoid shilling for chinks
>>106159999
So 4chan doesn't have propaganda, despite being fed controlled? Also porn is banned in China, I don't beleive 4chan is not banned.

>>106159988
>Based on this its implemented via social media platforms.
Look at the image again and realize that
>text and image analysis with artificial intellignece
happens on the device
Or just read any article about it
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/eus-new-message-scanning-regulation-must-be-stopped
Scanning is client side.

>>106160026
4chan is not evidentially fed controlled. While reddit is, twitter is (remember the twitter files) and Facebook and Google are DARPA controlled.

You yourself have to tell us why there are government propagandists in the censorship departments of every large Western social media company...

>>106160052
>4chan is not evidentially fed controlled.
You really are a 70iq jeet if you think this.
And the porn? Porn sites are not banned in China?

>>106157573 (OP)
unenforcable.
/thread

>>106160064
There is no evidence that 4chan is fed controlled.
It is obvious, but not proven.

Meanwhile Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, Google admitted to it, are official, the US government admits it, and they even admit that they run multi-billion $$$ campaigns on them.
You would be completely crazy to allow this shit.

Also did you know that 4chan isn't banned in China before i told you now?

>>106160026
You are shilling for people who shove propaganda into your face every single day. And you KNOW that they do that. And it is dumb propaganda as well. Yet you shill for them. You shill for the largest mass-surveillance machine in the world.

>>106160071
I'm pretty sure it is blocked. Porn is blocked and 4chan has lots of porn.

>>106160085
>Not shilling for chink lockdowns is shilling for the west
Kys chinksect you will never be human

>>106159202
China/CCP is note evil neo-liberal capitalist like EU is so it is not the same.

>>106157573 (OP)
> only targets giant corporations
> protocols are left alone
irc chads keep winning

>>106160102
https://www.chinafirewalltest.com/?siteurl=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.4chan.org%2Fgif%2F

>>106159234
>new whiteness map just dropped

>OTHERS ARE DOING THOSE EVIL THINGS (pro tip: they don't)
>implements evil thing in a watered down way
>WE ARE STILL MORE FREE THAN THOSE OTHERS AND WE HAVE TO DO THIS TO PRESERVE OUR FREEDOM
80s Soviet Union vibes.
But the Soviet Union at least had some cool uniforms.

>>106159332
Doesn't this also happen in the US?
Wasn't there a squatting crisis like a year ago?

>>106160200
This site gives more detail https://www.websitepulse.com/tools/china-firewall-test the DNS resolving doesn't seem to be the only thing that matters, which itbseems is what your site shows. It gives Unknown HTTP status code 429. Compare against eg. github.com. which works or try 4chan.org from the US server on that site which also works so I doubt there servers are just being rate limited.

>106160353
Fucking retards here, seriously.
Some dude thinking that you can't scan an E2E message on the client that writes it.
Then doubles down and makes up things and claims that its not client side, according to a picture that's shows its client side.
Then some idiot thinking that China locks people into boxes and welds them shut.
And now we can't even lookup a http status code, to check whether it was the crawler that got rate limited by cloudflare or a block.

/g/ really is the dumbest board on 4chan, and the disgusting boot lickers made it that way

>>106160413
I tried all 3 of their mainland servers and they only fail on 4chan.org. I tried another cloudflare site (creativecommons.org) and it worked. So I don't thik it is actually being rate limited. You are the retard for thinking status codes actually mean anything besdies what the server decided to respond with.

>>106159550
>monitoring for "attempted contact with children"
So how long until this backfires and a parent contacting their kid gets their ass on fire for the supposed pedophilia? Like that time a father sent a pic of his naked kid for a doctor to check on some weird stuff, got flagged by google as pedo, had all his accounts insta banned and then as the cherry on top google went "nuh uh we dont care get fucked" when the situation was explained to them.

>>106160467
You literally watch cloudflare set a cookie, you fucking idiot.
So you successfully connected to an American server, established a tls connection, sent encrypted data over TLS to it and got encrypted data back.

So if you think that this rate-limit is a country wide ban, you would have to argue that 4chan banned whole China and not the other way around.
Or 4chan just set retarded cloudflare rules, which creativecommons.org definitely doesn't have because they don't even use the cloudflare challenge... oh wait!.. creativecommons.org isn't even behind cloudflare in the first place.

Keep being a retard writing bullshit about something you don't understand, you idiotic cattle.

>>106160581
>creativecommons.org isn't even behind cloudflare in the first place
Are you stupid?
https://www.nslookup.io/domains/creativecommons.org/webservers/
>>106160581
>So if you think that this rate-limit is a country wide ban, you would have to argue that 4chan banned whole China and not the other way around.
Not necessarily. It is possible that since Cloudflare does business in china, they are somehow involved in the process of blocking for the websites that they host, for example. I don't know what the case is, all I can go off is what I see. Additionally this list includes 4chan.org: https://github.com/Leask/BRICKS/blob/master/gfw.bricks although it is old. Again, I would be surprised if a major porn site was not blocked, that is my thought behind this claim. A DNS resolving to 4chan.org is not enough for me to think otherwise, because a DNS resolving does not do anything.

>>106160685
ohhh, the American company with fed connections, so the American government itself, blocks Chinese from websites, using status codes that you use for telling crawlers to slow dine, because Trump is secretly owned by China and Xi Jinping has a tape where Trump pisses on prostitutes in a bed formerly owned by Obama.
That must be the explanation!
That sounds much more reasonable than just admitting that this website isn't blocked in China.

>>106160721
I didn't say anything like that. Are you OK? Companies have to abide by their local laws. I don't know how the CCP firewall works. I'm certain it isn't just a DNS not resolving though.

>>106160737
You posted this from reddit. Seemingly preteding that you took the screenshot yourself. A reddit post is not a real source.
https://old.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/1lqg5v5/til_that_4chan_isnt_banned_in_china/

>glowie tries to derail the thread by claiming China is free and not a totalitarian shithole
>you all take the bait

I don't know what a Gardai is or does, sorry.

>>106160792
This!
If you don't enjoy our freedom and don't justify our dystopian measures by claiming that China is worse, you are a glowy!

>>106160747
When you pivot from
>China blocks x
to
>Americans block x for China
you have nothing to complain about

>>106157573 (OP)
why would normal people outside the government stand for controlling chat tho?

>>106160807
Thread was moving along just fine until (You) showed up and (You) brought up China. You are doing some Talmudic reverse psychology shit and I see you.

Opposition to the surveillance state is moral and necessary regardless of what China does or doesn't do.

>>106160826
Because China is worse, so it's fine.
We have to defend our Freedom.

>>106160816
When did I complain even once, zhang? My entire point was that porn sites are banned in Chinaz which they are, threfore 4chan, a porn site, should also be blocked.

>>106160839
>My entire point was that porn sites are banned in China
that's already a huge massive pivot, though

We went from China welding people into boxes to China censoring the free media to China blocking porn to now Americans blocking 4chan for China.

>>106157573 (OP)
I might be rich by selling pigeons in eu

>>106160854
China is a wonderful democracy and I love editing Wikipedia from China and reading the news from independent Chinese journalists which are free to say whatever they wish.

Now let us discuss the situation in Europe Mr. Federal Agent.

>the EU/West is doing thing
>BUT MUH CHINA
Discussion successfully derailed, thank you mr glowie man

>>106159829
zoomies got brainwashed by the elite propaganda media into wanting censorship, hell they got brainwashed into cutting off their own penis and breasts and are told they're of the opposite gender.

If they can do that, they can easily brainwash zoomies into anything

>>106160854
>China welding people into boxes
They literally did that though >>106159995 you can even see similar videos from Chinese media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpfKZVTSp3I

>>106160826
They don't, except maybe some senile retirees. Governments don't care though.

>>106157573 (OP)
you americoons are so fucking annoying
this is equivalent to the patriot act you retards

>>106159829
I don’t think people should be allowed to vote unless they are over 40 and have done national service for their country.
Otherwise no skin in the game.
Also elected officials should only be allowed between the ages of 50 and 70 and they must not be allowed to gain profit after leaving the government role by consulting or working directly with financial or regulatory organisations.
By doing this you have people that care.

>>106157573 (OP)
>>106161067
another thing is that the eu says its things
and then the constituent countries ratify this shit at their pace if at all
and another one is that even if this shit gets ratified it is toothless without additional legislation that would make certain types of speech illegal
the eu can kvetch and mald and cut its thighs and wrists but the only thing they can do is impose fines
half of europe is in contravention of the eu law in one way or another, often in meaningful things
like belgioom
1000000% were not fulfilling our quota of rapefugees as per the eu migration pact

>Currently a regulation is in place allowing providers to scan communications voluntarily (so-called “Chat Control 1.0”). So far only some unencrypted US communications services such as GMail, Facebook/Instagram Messenger, Skype, Snapchat, iCloud email and X-Box apply chat control voluntarily (more details here).
Since 2022, oh well that's just fucking great.

>>106161123
yeah, because the cookie bullshit was just ignored, right

>>106157573 (OP)
Not my problem i have everything offline on my server even if ID comes i will live big and fat offline with all my shit.

>>106161123
Only like 1-2 countries havent implemented it

>>106161220
>ITS VOLUNTARY
>Oh its voluntary? Let me leave then
>NOOOO IF YOU LEAVE VOLUNTARILY, WE'LL ARREST YOU!! WE'LL BAN YOU!! WE'LL FINE YOU
https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-cannot-hide-eu-rules-after-exit-code-eus-breton-says-2023-05-26/

So not voluntary

only russian bots oppose this
the EU is based

>>106159829
ooooh i'm voooooting ooooooooo
shut up

>>106161413
>Only like 1-2 countries havent implemented it
>>106159234
fkn... vantablack

>>106157573 (OP)
Can't wait for Whatsapp, Signal and others to leave the EU market.
Outlawing math is the most retarded thing you can do.

>>106161220
Zoomers are totally cooked, they know everything about what they've been chatting with their friends on Discord and Instagram since their teenage years.

There's a literal only three countries opposing EU chat control at the moment:
>Austria
>Netherlands
>Poland
What are the chances these apparent non-cucked countries can block the entire thing? They'll probably get something in return for voting "for" as that's how these fucking diplomats function.

>>106159994
Any good channels? Last time I checked it was very dead.

>>106160052
>>106160071
Worse, the IP stats from the hacking show who controls it and it's much worse.

Tbh, don't have much use for internet outside getting warez and sorting out my bank account/other byrocratial shit.
4chan is the only place I frequent along with literally few other pages.
Very tempting to think about pulling the plug permanently in the future. Most of the internet is brainrot and propaganda one way or another..
It's easier said than done of course.

>>106164145
nigger that was a screencap from 4plebs stop being a fucking patsy

Quick ranjesh, create another stable diffusion general and a dozen more ai marketing threads, we need to bury this news!

>>106164162
The goal is to shutdown any oppositional thoughts and create a cattle class. You're doing just that.

>>106164186
>some aijeet actually did it

I honestly don't mind images given the problem of CP but then reading chats is like banning whispering

>>106157573 (OP)
>Orwell's novel was a guidebook.
I hate it when people say this. This is the dumbest, most midwit take possible. What is coming is way worse than 1984. In 1984, you were being monitored by other humans. Sometimes remotely, via telescreen, but it was another person and you didn't know when they were watching or not. The tyrannical stuff was also really only pointed at about 20% of the population, known as the Outer Party, because surveillance takes effort and the system only has so much manpower. They ignored 80% of the population, because they were regarded as too stupid to revolt independently, without being lead by someone from the Outer Party. They only needed to watch the people who actually had the intelligence and ability to organize against the Inner Party. 1984 was written this way, because it was written 76 years ago as a critique of Stalinism, and Orwell didn't predict computers, the internet or AI. Due to technological advancements, we can have 24/7 surveillance over the entire population. We can also automate the use of force via robots, so you do not even need to get policemen or informants to agree to work for the "Inner Party". In 1984, if you committed a thought crime, nobody would actually know until it inspired some actual action. In the actual future, an AI will know the second you commit the thought crime, long before any action could follow it. It may even be able to tell you're going to commit thought crime before you commit it.

>tl;dr: read a book, read a book, read a motherfuckin' book

>>106164051
For an EU law to pass it needs approval from the EU parliament and the council of the EU.
It needs 50% + 1 from the members of the EU parliament.
Then for the council of the EU it needs approval from 55% of the member states (which is at least 15 states out of the 27) and these 55% needs to represent at least 65% of the EU population. This system is known as qualified majority voting.

>>106161109
I agree with the principle, but I think we can arrive at about the same goal by restricting voting to married persons. And ideally making adultery illegal again.

>>106159977
>I thought EU are the good guys.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHA LOL
Who told you that?
Mental outlaw?
>EU based because charging cable and replaceable battery
You still can not replace the battery and the cable is irrelevant!

I HATE THE EU!
Eurocrats need to be killed in the streets! DAILY!

>>106159332
I guess you’re not old enough to know about squatters rights and it’s also an American issue due to laws

>>106159550
>think of the children
jesus christ. lets shoehorn it everywhere! It's never about the kids

surveillance doesn't mean shit, what prevents someone from using diffie-hellman key exchange and unless authorities not only captured the first few messages in a conversation but also mitm'd to alter them, then they'd have no idea as to what is being exchanged

Gotta warn my plug now

>>106157573 (OP)
You mean UK not EU. EU is against changing cryptography rules because they were told it was a bad idea.

>>106165728
Yes but you have to know what you're doing. The goal here is to mandate online giants of decrypting your spying your messages, so not end to end encryption, but the message service is the middle man that can decryptband then encrypt as well. It's not safe by design. They want to mandate that. UK is even worse, they want to lower encryption safety. They're both bad though. You are right from a technical perspective, it is possible to have end to end encryption messaging.

>>106165728
The hard part isn't doing that, it's getting people who don't even know what encryption is to exchange keys with you. They'd rather fall on the nothing to hide argument than do an overwhelmingly completed technical task.

EU try to not obliterate privacy and freedom and not implement mass surveillance everywhere challenge (ultra impossible)