it's over

>>>/reddit/

>>106158835 (OP)
>OMG AI did a literal braindead chore! IT'S SO OVER

>>106158835 (OP)
Should have never gone to college. Your fault for "listening to the experts." Zero sympathy for any of you "college educated" white collar, entitled retards.
I can't wait to watch you all line up in the unemployment line.

>>106158835 (OP)
>cscareerquestions
>csmajors
All Indians btw. Nothing but doom and gloom on those subs. I hope this demoralization causes a correction in the labor force because it’s crystal clear tech companies are failing due to a lack of innovation

>>106158877
>>106158877
Goal posts.
If someone posted this in 2023 people would have said it was a troll.

>>106158877
software dev industry is 98.9% these braindead chores
about 1% of you worthless fucks are going to keep your jobs

>>106158911
I did have some sympathy until
>Other users offered to review resumes
>No one took it
>In other threads where resumes were posted, they were garbage
Then again I get that same feeling on /g/ with what some of you type. Maybe terminally browsing an Internet forum isn’t a good idea if you’re looking for a job

sorry but idc ai
im just not gonna use it

all programming has gotten easier over time.
it was easier to code in the 2010s than it was in the 2000s, and i'm sure people have similar fears every time something new comes down the pipe, but that is why you 'upskill' or migrate.

Good, I want out of this cucked profession

>>106158923
>>106158964
>they let go of everyone who understands programming. Suddenly no one knows what to tell the AI to do
Prompts like "fix the bug" or "make it work" only get you so far.

>>106159012
also having general knowledge of how programming architecture works is the real skill when it comes to programming anyway as most people have no idea how things on computers are actually held together

>>106158835 (OP)
> it's literally a wanna-be tech bro, shitposting and making things up
https://www.reddit.com/user/ser_davos33/

>>106158923
> believing the lies of redditors
man you're fucking stupid.

>>106158835 (OP)
Can't wait to get general AI to run locally and make video games for myself.
In the meantime, I do them myself.

>>106159021
I agree completely.
It's a skill where input matters.
Garbage in, garbage out.
The people who are both extremely good at programming, and also extremely good at understanding how to get the most out of the toolsets will be the ones having their productivity multiplied.
People who are bad will also have their productivity multiplied...negatively of course.
AI is anything but an 'equalizer'. It's the exact opposite.

You can compare coding AIs to image generation - if image generation makes a small mistake like an extra finger or an out-of-place object, then you have to stop everything and fix it or regen.
With code it's a bigger deal to introduce bugs, even if the mistakes only occur 1% of the time it still needs a babysitter. Even if the mistakes only occur 0.1% of the time, it will always require babysitting. Therefore it's a tool.

Self-driving cars can't be solved because the mistakes that occur 0.001% of the time or whatever astronomically tiny percentage are still too risky to deploy.

>>106158835 (OP)
I've had AI hallucinate random text in longer code responses. Only literal retards should be scared by AI

>>106158835 (OP)
kek, so they set all this shit up and it did one ticket? let me guess 99 others were fucked and required 10 rounds of back and forth until a human eventually just did it

>>106159248
What year do you think it is? 2023? AI's don't hallucinate anymore. Really it's meatbag hallucinations you need to worry about.

>>106159012
This 100x. Everything that handles the small hyper technical details are already written into large frameworks. Most jobs are just stitching all this crap together in a way that makes sense and can be easily expanded on for requirements.
Everything that can be made generic has been made generic, so you just use the simple interface they give you and bam it works.
The issue is that you need to know a whole lot of stuff and what to use, what not to use, when to use certain things, etc.

>>106159015
Why do ppl keep saying this? It's literally the easiest money with the most flexibility.

>>106159012
>>106159329
The problem there is a reason why all companies are using AI to replace rather than to augment. They've already gotten to the point of peak productivity. There's no more product left to sell, no more customers left to convince to buy. The only solution is to cut costs, and that means you.

>>106158835 (OP)
>I'm a-
bagholder

>>106158998
well yeah, you're going to be unemployed

>>106159466
I know people who make approximately the same amount of money as dock workers
>inb4 muh america sv fagman
Yeah, if you're a senior or lead in a serious company, you'll make much more than any blue collar worker and most white collars, but for us regular 2nd world codemonkeys who will never advance past mid level, it's comparable to dock workers and truck drivers. And that's probably an overwhelming majority of tech workers worldwide even if you exclude jeets.

this is the same as posting cis females on tranny reddits for lulz

>>>/reddit/
>>>technophobe and neo-luddist

>>106158835 (OP)
The way it's written sounds like a Totally Real Story™

Im using cursor and agent mode for my personal project and its utterly shit for anything not minor

I asked it to refactor some service and it did so, but left out half the stuff and didnt update any usage of said service or what it replaced, the clean up was honestly more work than writing the refactor myself, i cant imagine what a clusterfuck these vibe coders have to deal with, well they probably arent aware of it

>>106159896
let me guess you asked it to do 900k lines of code at once

>>106159896
try claude code or gemini cli

>>106158835 (OP)
>I'm a professional software engineer

The only silver lining right now is a lot of people like >>106159896 prompt dumb shit and don't get satisfactory results. Once the non-technical folks become smarter about using AI, and the tech inevitably progresses, that's it for us. There will be very, very few jobs for software devs in the future, and most of them will only be on a consultancy basis.

Meanwhile in real life

>>106158835 (OP)
>Writing an sql query and making a small change to some backend code
If you data layer includes sql you're doing something very wrong

>>106158835 (OP)
>Reddit
>Top 1% poster
Imagine for a second how many people use Reddit during work. If he's at the top 1% of posters he barely works.

hype scammer

This board is so retarded, the entire argument against AI here pretty much boils down to that its currently in it's end state and will never improve.
It has to just be pure cope at this point.

>>106160377
nothing you say changes the fact that the guy in OP's pic is making shit up for hype

>>106160377
Welcome to the realisation that 4chan is just reddit in another form.
Where "leftists" cry about AI due to job losses and artistic reasons, anons cry about AI due to potential job losses and because anyone into programming is a cunt.
Programmers have always been the worst part of /g/ and the closest to reddit in attitude. It's no surprise they'd eventually align with the same talking points.

They're easily baited too, because they need to operate on the logic of status quo just like a neoliberal; all while the walls decay around them.

>>106158835 (OP)
It's not over until you declare it's over. Introductions to AI within the workplace only means that expectations will get higher

>>106160390
The cope here is the exact cope I see on reddit. They were just blindsided by the rapid increase in capability, and are coping as a result of it. At least I can admit that my job is most likely done for in 5-10 years.

>>106158835 (OP)
Reads like a chatgtp prompt, with the ask that em dashes be replaced with commas.

>>106160390
It's just contrarianism. Both people on 4chan and reddit build their identity on being smarter than other people which means not falling for hype from tech bros because they're too smart. Unfortunately sometimes hype is real so they get left in the dust, smug but poor. Look at the /r/buttcoin losers.

>>106158835 (OP)
I just watched someone who looks suspiciously like me defuse a bomb & thwart global terrorism.
We better give that guy a lot of money.

>>106158841
anthropic actually terrified of gpt-5
sam about to saturate swe-bench

Do they custom train these models on the codebase or something? If I have more than like 10 files it can't figure shit out.

>>106160406
>Introductions to AI within the workplace only means that expectations will get higher
I saw someone the other week on the topic of productivity & the economy having a bit of a melty over growth, taxation and burdens.
However his argument required ignoring that wage growth had stagnated again after the financial crisis across the world in line with constant inflation, that the velocity of money had changed and frozen twice in two large events and then at the end of the post he was saying "productivity is down". Like he just couldn't accept that the industrial revolution had happened, we got out of world war II & beyond, through a few financial crisis' in which productivity always returned above and beyond the slump and went ever upwards while everything else would flatten out.

I wonder what kind of brain injury he had, where he got his news from or why he thought people investing in the stock market and working 6 days a week was going to change it but it was nice to know the crazies were in from the streets for a bit.
These are the same people who say things like "unemployment is too high" at the same time unemployment is usually at its lowest point for 20-30 years etc. Delusional and trapped in a past that never existed to begin with.

>>106160390
>and because anyone into programming is a cunt.
why is this so true
is it just /g/ or in general? Well the few I know offsite are quite chill and nice

>>106159617
So?
You are still in the top 2 deciles of salaried workers iyc, and have a comfy wfh job where you get to solve puzzles all day or just coast without much effort.

Tradies literally destroy their bodies and work 10 hour days and commute for 2.

You roll out of bed, log on, and solve a ticket or 2 for the whole day and probably make close to the top of the wage chart of salaried workers.

>>106160438
Wouldn't be surprised if the ticket the AI was assigned was made specifically for the AI as a use case test. That way it would be successful and the team in charge of testing AI viability could get more resources from execs.

>>106160420
Contrarians definitely get hit by being too sceptical.
You can read hype building doom articles about things like an Anthropic model trying to blackmail a staff member and disregard it because it's a safety test and the scenario that was set for it.
You can see that's there to hype up Anthropic as being close to agi, two more weeks bro!
but you can also see the strategies outside knowing that news outlets will obscure information by bad journalism and realise that the context of how the model got around to the idea of blackmail is what matters, much like trying to backup their own weights etc. It all comes down to the context of recognising an unsafe behaviour.

In the context of what normalfags interact with on the websites with locked down user agents etc. Yeah, safety concerns drift more towards cunny for them. In an area where the end goal is AGI or to be deployed in a government system with tool use etc, yeah, it's vastly different from deb in HR at normalfag & partners law firm.
Yet to be a contrarian and deny hype usually comes with you having to dismiss everything to be cynical, so yeah you do get left in the dust.

>>106158835 (OP)
for example of a project written by AI

>>106159270
This is what really happened. Shitty fake garbage bait thread.

>>106158835 (OP)
crudfucks are done, especially the web front-end ones. realistically, there will be a significant less need for them per each company, so the quantity of jobs available on these positions will dry up, but won't entirely disappear.

>>106159480
email-walling /biz/ was a mistake

>>106159248
imagine being so full of yourself you are also delusional

>>106160445
It'll go away when summer ends, I wouldn't worry about it.

>>106158835 (OP)
*YAWN*

Wake me up when it's able refactor an entire codebase for optimal performance.

>reddit
OP is a faggot.

If AI was so good these kind of shill posts would be unnecessary

Im mostly code viving my projects now rather than coding its much faster.

>>106158964
Maybe if you are a junior. 99% of my tasks are not like this.

>>106158835 (OP)
Good software development for big companies is just shitty JS mangled with some retarded framework that nobody understands and mainstream software is managed by jeets anyway.

>>106158835 (OP)
Actual bullshit, concern trolling faggot.
Bet he has stock in OpenAI.

Given how fucking useless 90% of tier 1 support agents are I am not surprised a lobotomized chatbot could replace them.
Most of these useless eaters won't even read a fucking ticket note before they copy/paste reply some irrelevant shit and then ignore you for a week when you call them out on it.

These pajeet fucks should be scared, not because of AI, if I were there boss I would blacklist the fuck out of all of them until the day I died.

>>106158835 (OP)
Better accidentally "delete" it or sabotage it as long as possible.
The funniest part of this is that codemonkeys who call themselves "engineers* will get laid off by the hundreds, including pajeets.

>>106160465
Because it's an industry whose primary motive of making money is creating problems then selling the solution. It's completely bankrupt.

>>106158835 (OP)
>engineers

>>106160269
Based gigachad LLM

>>106158835 (OP)
Good, getting a job sucks and working sucks also. Neurotypical normie cattle hardest hit.

>>106161268
How is anyone supposed to get the experience needed to become a senior developer when all the junior duties are being done by AI (and Indians)?

>>106158835 (OP)
And then everyone clapped.

>>106158835 (OP)
I'm so glad we can finally purge idiots like pic related from the company. Retards like these have enjoyed dev related titles for far too long while their sole purpose was doing trivial work like this.

>>106161810
Hobby projects.
I became the team lead in pretty much the first 3 months of getting the job.

>>106160476
>iyc
>"IYC" commonly stands for Indian Youth Congress

>>106158835 (OP)
I'm going to take "things that didn't happen" for $100

>Internally built tool our company is piloting
Buy an ad

>>106158835 (OP)
Threads like that are posted by the marketing departments of AI companies, just so you know.

>>106161637
Chud LLM, gigachad LLM would've
>refused to elaborate
>deletes self

according to the losers from /dpt/, ai doesn't exist; a fantasy from the silicon valley for wall street.

so much cope in the thread and I bet it's from unemployed people
yes, AI is this good.

>>106165789
These "losers" are your fantasy.
Every software engineer knows AI and most of them know what it is actually good for(not that much, but it has some uses)

>>106163440
AI writing fake stories to post on leddit to shill AI. The future…

>>106165860
How do you feel about Pakistan?

>>106158835 (OP)
>devin push to main
>devin.. DEVIN.. LISTEN TO ME: push to main NOW
>task failed
>that'll be $500 saar

what's truly grim is having coworkers asking to review obviously generated code they didn't even bother to look at.
had to tell the guy to fuck off the other day and he got mad at me

I like to think this is karmic justice for tech's absolute disdain for the humanities
Funnily enough, the humanities seems to be on track to outlive software engineering
God has a sense of humor.

>>106165913
"software engineer"
on /dpt/? lmao

>>106158835 (OP)
what if the ticket is wrong. The ai won't realize the ticket is wrong and could potentially destroy lots of code, couldn't it?

>>106167131
>sent for review

>>106166764
have AI review it

>>106161610
Based William F Buckley Jr poster.

>>106158835 (OP)
learn 2 weld

>>106158835 (OP)
the biggest thing (for now) is ensuring the AI does it correctly, so you "engineers" will still be needed around for a little while. but not for long.

>>106159021
>>106159165
You retards believe now = forever. NOW the AI requires a skilled and knowledgeable person to fully utilize it. This will NOT be the case in the future as the ENTIRE POINT is that companies can implement AI that is so easy to use, anyone in the company can. Once this occurs mass downsizing will begin.

>>106158835 (OP)
I just watched OP posting a Reddit screencap and now my day is ruined.

>>106160476
Tradies that break their backs and knees certainty earn much more than I do. When I say 'dock worker' I don't mean people who actually carry things on ships because it's not 1930. Their job is driving a forklift or truck that carries containers or handle the crane that stacks them on a ship. Their backs will be just fine and they earn just as much without going through the humiliation ritual of schooling.

>>106171148
Those nice union jobs basically only go to the kids of people already in the union. You will never get one. However, you used to be able to LC your way into the UMC.

>>106171148
yeah but there's always the chance a container or crane will fall on you and then it's over

>>106158835 (OP)
An AI took a ticket over my house

>>106158835 (OP)
>I just watched an AI agent shit and poo!
I'm sick of stupid people decide what's true and real. Literally the dream of programmers is to automate the retarded shit of the field. That's what we're seeing now.

I'm gonna kill myself Bros gn

>>106171360
What if they automate way more than the "retarded shit of the field"?

>>106171535
What if people don't dig with their bare hands

>>106158835 (OP)
aww, you took a screen grab of my troll post

>>106171166
Not in eastern yurop. This company operating the docks is constantly hiring and is actively trying to get niggers and jeets because they don't have enough manpower. Gravy train riders here choose the railways or gvmnt bureaucracy

>>106158835 (OP)
reads like an advert, especially with those "questions" at the end

but in case it's a real post:
>and even updated a test.
yeah I've seen what happens when they do this lol, they just make the tests pass instead of fixing the code. I've seen LLM agents literally just make tests do nothing so their code can work

>>106158835 (OP)
That's why you become a woman and get into a female-dominated job before it's too late. Women's jobs will never be replaced.

>>106173041
women's jobs are basically daycare with no responsibilities for ai to take over, AI can't replicate pointlessly rejecting candidates at HR because their star sign is wrong

>>106174332
Exactly, that's why it's the future

No, it's only the beginning.

>>106165921
Is this what they mean when they say something insists upon itself?

>understood our codebase
How is this even possible? How can an LLM understand inputs that were not part of their training set?

>>106160465
>>106161376
>>106160390

Underage Indians get off my boards.
You are literally bringing down the IQ here.

>>106158835 (OP)
>it takes 1 hour to write database query
Lol

>>106162212
> just work for free, bro

>>106176828
it's just context data senpai

>>106158835 (OP)
Imagine how much more over it is for lawyers. Their whole field is about to be replaced by 5 jews with a computer.

>>106158835 (OP)

>>106178973

>>106158964
>software dev industry is 98.9% these braindead chores
Thank fuck it's dying.

Of course the reality is that the worthless chores never mattered. It was always just middle managers jousting at eachother with "muh codebase" and "muh team." So now AI will just 10x that and we'll be back where we started but with a massive unknowable random number generator between us and what we're working on.

But desu that's not so different from the way corporate software works today.

>>106158835 (OP)
no it's not, AI are free-ish and powerful because it's only the beginning, once enshittification starts it will be a disaster of unprecedented scale.
the fuck do you think will happen to companies that fired all there software engineers to hire prompt supervisors (ie brain damaged human you would normally hire to flip burgers or move boxes around, disposable workforce) when the software is turning to shit on purpose for next quarter gains?
it's not a what if scenario, it's a when scenario, it will happen with 100% certainty.
at some point it will be more cost-efficient again to have humans that to rely on big daddy AI taht can kill your business overnight just by revoking your tokens.

>>106181677
>when the software is turning to shit
as if this weren't already the case

>>106181752
most of the software in the wild is fine

Well GPT5 just came out and it sucks. I don't know how you guys can be so sure about this whole "AI is going to improve substantially" thing. We've reached a wall

>>106158964
ok let's say AI can do 90% of the job. how many guys do you need to read and understand the entire codebase for the remaining 10%?

answer: the same number of guys.

just like how computers can fly planes 95% of the time, but you still need the same number of pilots

>>106158835 (OP)
I don't believe the story, I'll believe it when I actually see it.