What’s his problem?

Manufacture in America or die. Simple as.

>>106167521
Or Israel, because they won't have any tariffs.

>>106167521
And America is going to die. Trump doesn't understand how irrelevant the US is. It's not the 1990's. BRICS have completely reshaped global trade.

>op is so mad he responded twice
saar

>>106167674
I didn’t respond to him thought

>>106167501 (OP)
Senility in combination with being profoundly wrong. Boy do I love our American Yeltsin.

>>106167501 (OP)
The age of the yellow man is over. The age of the browish-white man is now. America shall reign supreme.

>>106167669
People are smuggling Chinese GPUs into America?

>>106167521
>manufacture with overpaid retards

>>106167669
And it's everyone's fault for letting it get that way. Globalism is cancer

>>106167758
They'll bring Indians instead.

>>106167501 (OP)
/leftypol/dot/org people who come here to raid can seethe all they want, but you twits should be capable of understanding that at this point, semiconductors are a massive importance to national security. this isn't something you want to be imported. You really need this at home.

>>106167769
Then invade Taiwan. Problem solved.

correct me if I'm wrong but aren't tariffs basically taxes that will ultimately be paid by the American consumers ?

>>106167769
and /leftypol/dot/org spammers, should note, china realizes this. its why they are doing everything they can to build a homegrown system and stop being reliant on western semiconductor imports.

>>106167783
The US already owns Taiwan. Problem is, its to close to China and China has full intent of taking it over. Its hard enough to defend Japan, having to defend Taiwan is a loss cause. Its why we are trying to get all major stakeholders in Taiwan, to move to the states. Which TSMC has done with their Phoenix plant.

>>106167521
Sure, now get into the factory, you fucking useless mulatto!
You want chips to be produced in America? Who the fuck do you think is going to do that? Spic immigrants?
Welcome to your 80h work week for minimum pay.

>>106167815
>let us be your slaves instead you fat lazy, american cunt
>we will work 80 hours a day in factory to make you computer chip
>you to fat to work
>don't take our jobs from us

>>106167809
>TSMC has done with their Phoenix plant
You mean, the plant that uses an outdated node and is 15 years behind?

>>106167501 (OP)
He's trying to stimulate domestic chip production but in a retarded and indirect way.

>>106167834
>TSMC's Phoenix plant in Arizona has achieved higher chip production yields compared to its comparable facilities in Taiwan, marking a significant milestone for the company's U.S. expansion.
During a webinar in October 2024, TSMC US President Rick Cassidy revealed that the Arizona fab produces approximately 4% more usable chips than similar plants in Taiwan, a key metric known as yield, which is crucial for covering the high costs of semiconductor manufacturing.
>This achievement is particularly notable because TSMC has historically maintained its most advanced and efficient production processes in Taiwan.

>The Phoenix facility began trial production in April 2024 using 4-nanometer process technology and is on track for volume production to start in early 2025, despite initial challenges such as worker safety concerns, labor disputes, and difficulties in finding skilled staff to install advanced equipment.
>These issues had previously led to a one-year delay in the plant’s full production timeline.

>The success of the Arizona plant is seen as a major win for both TSMC and the U.S. government’s efforts to strengthen domestic semiconductor manufacturing through the 2022 CHIPS and Science Act.
>The project has received substantial support, including $6.6 billion in government grants, $5 billion in loans, and a 25% tax credit, making it a flagship initiative for revitalizing U.S. chip production and reducing supply chain vulnerabilities.
> The positive results have encouraged discussions about further expansion, with potential for up to six fabrication plants at the Phoenix site, especially if additional government incentives become available.

>>106167835
or just increased taxes to pay the ever increasing debt.

>>106167832
what are you babbling about, you fat faggot?
If a Chinese company with Chinese people produces in the USA, you basically just gifted land away to the Chinese, because it's theirs and all the profits go home?

Of course we don't want that!
It's the superior Whyte American masterrace who has to lift the USA up again.
So... into the factory with you useless faggot!
All the service economy fat fucks will have to get purged, if you want to make America great again.

>>106167844

>>106167857
>thats right you stupid fat american
>stop wanting work in your country
>you to fat, pig face to work
>let us chinese and brown people do all the labor and slave away for 120 hours a week in factory to make you computer chip
>these our jobs
>you stupid fat american pig man

>>106167844

>>106167521
That shit is never happening and this retard in office is not doing anything to make this happen.

>>106167844
>>106167862

>>106167870
>i want work
>but immigrants should do my work
>wtf, why are all our Big Tech companies ruled by indians? Hire WHYTE people!
>wtf, why does the government flood us with fentanyl to curb the useless population, that isn't ready to work?
>wtf, why do they replace us?

>>106167904
>yes, fat america pig
>immigrants will do work for you on american soil
>but those immigrants are to fat like you
>let us keep these jobs here in brown india and yellow man strong china for we can do all the work for you by making computer chip
>you to fat you american pig face man

>>106167921
>thats right pig face american man, only yellow man strong and brown man can work 120 hours a week in slave labor conditions to make you computer chip for you

>>106167521
>die now or die. Simple as.
ftfy
manufacturing everything in the us is not possible.
they have to survive 3 more year and this retard will not be in office anymore so the world can start healing and retarde tarifs can disappear

Shitskins really do have Stockholm syndrome for being America's bitch as their slave labor force. Take away their job at being America's bitch and they break down.

>>106167521
Intel closed a factory in Oregon just so they could open one in Israel.

>>106167954
>only we yellow man strong and brown man can make computer chip for fat american pigs
>stupid fat americans thinking they can take our jobs from us

>>106167937
>for you
That is where you are wrong, you are worthless and you will have to be culled.
Nobody needs you as a customer, as you only buy on debt.
>b-but you need me to buy things from you
Is the absolutely most idiotic take every seen. And there are only two kinds of people with that take: Butthurt belters who want to justify their existence as leeches in the EU and Americans who want to justify their existence.

>>106167974
>thats right, american pig man
>only we can make computer chip for the world
>fuck you
>we are the worlds slave, not you american pig face man

>>106167954
A small group of white people fueled by worm infested bread and beer taking over the world will forever be a scar on the browns psyche.

>>106167934

>>106167982
Its really hilarious watching them freakout they won't be "slaves" anymore to America. They are arguing to stay the bitches of the world.

oh wow, Amerifats are arguing with their own vassals again,
don't mind me, just watching

>>106167769
You can't just wave a fucking gun at competent people - TSMC - and demand they make washed-up Murican/Israeli trash like Intel Great Again. It's retarded and this is not going to end well.

All US gamers on sewerslide watch

>defund the chips act that would have actually paid for local manufacturing of chips
>defund things like park rangers
>implement insane tariffs so already overpriced shit doubles in price
>pretend to purge immigrants while actually encouraging replacing workers with h1b imports
>nobody can afford anything
What is the fucking endgame here?

>>106168038
Great Depression 2030

>>106168014
Time to sit back, watch, and raugh.

>>106167758
>overpaid
Wages need to *double* at least
Americans are not overpaid, they are paid peanuts

>>106167501 (OP)
its just 'motivation' to make the mag 7 CEOs donate to his memecoin, then he will reverse it. its a kleptocracy.

>>106167669
>Brazil
They produce beef, that's it
>Russia
Non-economy
>India
Average IQ of 70, cheap labor but beyond bad
>China
Only functional country on the list

It's a boogeyman the globalist uniparty is using to keep people in line.

>>106167669
>BRICS

The pee tapes were real and the orange man is hellbent on destroying American power.

>>106168541
no trump is just in his boomer "i dont care mode". its when boomers hit that retirement age and clock out from reality. their ego becomes so huge they think they're god and can break all sorts of rules.

>>106168038
fucking up this fake and gay economy

>>106168541
funny how retards never made the case about muh American power during the election.
>well actually usaid, ngos and making brown people make everything is heckin US power and le good

>>106167669
Only Russia and China do anything on that list, both Brazil and India are third world shitholes.

>>106167521
this and America is going to choose the "die" option

>>106168726
Taiwanese are not brown people living off USaid. They are American allies and you are stabbing them in the back. Which doesn't bode well for anyone wanting to be an American ally.

And this plan won't even work because it's not viable to move all semiconductor and microchip production to America overnight. So Trump will eventually back down but only after pissing off another ally and making them wonder about their overreliance on America.

So the Taiwanese will still have the factories but now they'll be more open to the idea of working with the Chinese.
Get it?

>>106167521
Sure
How many dollars did Trump invest in local manufacturing? Zero?

lmao sure is /r/eddit in here, wish 4chan still showed unique ip count

>>106169036
You don't need to see unique IPs, the guy makes it obvious af. Still mad that Trump took away his access to the girl's bathroom.

>>106167878
Did you forget when tsmc said that they were going to manufacture chips in USA?

>>106167521
Americans aren't smart enough to make chips

>>106168379
>India
>cheap labor
It's expensive after factoring in all the defects and problems they create. They're totally useless as a society.

>>106168038
>defund the chips act
I still find this so retarded
Also
>researchers show they can make universal cancer cure with mrna tech
>mrna gets refunded the day after in America
L O L

Fat Americans waking up to the reality they have outsourced everything for their decadent lifestyle, and now wanting to bring it all back, while still wanting said lifestyle... Its the most American thing I have ever seen.

>>106167521

>>106169188
This. Total Jeet Death by 2050.

>>106167521
>give your money to American billionaire pedophiles who'll just import a bunch of cheap indians using """AI""" to work all those jobs instead

>>106169188
MBAs are too stupid to realize that and too unaccountable to bother learning so it doesn't matter.

>>106168838
Production is already here
It's about expanding facilities and keeping investment up, hence why TSMC is basically already exempt as is Samsung.

Native born job growth is way up
Demand for labor is way up due to illegals leaving
Housing costs are also going way down due to less demand there
Energy costs are going down from him repealing all of bidens environmental laws
Stock market is at record highs
Inflation has leveled off
food prices have decreased after sky rocketing during bidden term
Actually at a surplus due to tariffs
He wiped out all the unfavorable trade deals against the US is getting most other countries to pay 5-15% while removing their own tariffs
Most companies are in fact just eating the costs instead of raising costs like economic 'experts' stated due to something called demand and competition

oh, and apple already announced investing 600B to avoid this today. 17T+ total brought in in investments now due to tariffs

>>106169660
>Demand for labor is way up due to illegals leaving
I should have added for the economically illiterate that means wages will actually go up

>>106167521
Manufacture in America so jews can steal your technology and sell it to China. That system worked really well for 50 years. Now that the jews have cashed out on America outsourcing everything to China, they want to start a new cycle with a generation that has no memory of it.

>>106169679
>announce useless "investment", any sufficiently large impressive sounding number will do
>drag feet for 4 years on actually doing anything
>at the end all that's been built is a concrete pad, 4 walls, and a roof
>abandon the site when the next president gets in
Its as simple as that.

>>106169738
gonna be honest, the next president is 99% likely to be Vance who I doubt is going to let them get away with that

>>106169738
How is that headcanon working for you?
It really is like people are seething that things have any chance if going to the US
It's all hate in the end

>>106169660
All of this is a lie but the surplus thing is the most blatant kek

>>106169802
if it was a lie you would post proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeHSjlLik2k

>>106169814
two sources
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_4ofthPq5s

>>106169779
It is quite literally what Foxconn did last time.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/21/foxconn-mostly-abandons-10-billion-wisconsin-project-touted-by-trump.html

>>106169838
cause biden got in who made a fortune off of international companies

>>106169842
Absolute cope

>>106169838
Still see plenty of US made Foxconn parts at Google

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vklAD9w5XTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imD3MJS2zmU

>>106169838
they should be in prison for humiliating President Trump

>>106169814
>>106169831
>$27 billion surplus in June
>after a $316 billion deficit in May
Kek
I don't think you understand any of this shit anon.
You need to look at the whole year.

Your GPU will now be slapped with "Made in USA" label instead of "made in china" or "made in taiwan", why aren't you happy about it?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AuyKKqErYkg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjopshk0GH8

could not bother looking for the original sources

>>106169911
hey anon, when did those tariffs go into play and what was the deficit before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzogP1abFlc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05tp0IKCWJM&t=358s

making sure they are all from left media so you can't claim its 'fox propaganda' or something. When CNN admits trump is right you know they cant spin it

>>106169925
>hey anon, when did those tariffs go into play and what was the deficit before
You don't do monthly numbers because it's seasonal. Bush, Obama and Biden had months with surplus, you are celebrating a nothingburger.

When most months of the year are in the green so as to make the whole year green you can celebrate.

>>106169972
most of the tariffs just went into effect so yes, we will see in a few months

Manufacturing destroys the land, they are shit jobs most people don't want to do. There is a reason we sent them all away but it also leaves the low tier citizens with few options and the options that are left got taken over by the great replacement. It's a lose lose situation and I don't really see an out. The middle class is going to keep getting crushed I haven't seen anything to make me believe otherwise.

>>106169924
Because progressives believe brown people should make everything.
That's literally their stance
>3rd worlders make everything
>import infinity brown people for unskilled labor like construction and service jobs
>if your not working an office job or government job then fuck you and have fun working at dead end retail
>we promise working at Walmart is better for your mental health than manufacturing because we believe in outdated 1920s perspectives of the job and never stepped foot in a modern plant

>>106169944
There is no 'left' media. All bow to Trump and feed him positive coverage or they'll face sabotage and suppression. They've largely dropped the Epstein thing and instead follow the diversionary stories fed by the White House.

>>106167501 (OP)
It's a good thing.
All those US companies wasting money on AI datacenters will now help reduce America's debt.

>>106170001
>they are shit jobs most people don't want to do
Any job that isn't sitting on your ass is a job most people don't want to do, that's not unique to manufacturing.

What makes the job tolerable is it can be pretty tight nit being away from the public, most places have climate control. Hazards are pretty minimal nowadays.

It's really ironic because it was liberals mostly that make these places tolerable and less of a hazard for both workers and the environment but now those same people are the ones that want to minimize such jobs.
I really don't understand why beyond just being malicious because manufacturing does pay better than many retail or other service jobs. Atleast around here. It's $25 and hour making industrial parts versus like $13 at a gas station both requiring nothing special but a warm body and GED.

I actually would like to be debunked on this.

>>106167669
Yeah, South Africa is a real economic powerhouse

>>106167501 (OP)
TACO

>>106167501 (OP)
If you voted, you have no right to complain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5yKOpXIgvI

>>106170124
lol, after outright lying to try and push harris / protect biden for years?
https://x.com/TruthNinja316/status/1829283138427928596

>>106169712
>they want to start a new cycle with a generation that has no memory of it.
The younger generations are not unaware of them at all.

>>106170182
TSMC is producing here and expanding, that's part of the deal of being exempt
Man you retards seem to have 2 brain cells between y'all.

>>106170182
they invested 300B, that was the entire purpose. Apple also avoided it by announcing they would invest 600B today

https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202508060009

>>106170182
So basically: no tariff on AMD CPU's and 100% tariff on Intel CPU's?

>>106170182
The US is now pay to play only

>>106167758
>overpaid
Fuck off retarded foreigner

>>106170217
Intel is the largest US fab

>>106167501 (OP)
Dumb as fuck.

Will also do anything to distract from Epstein.
Expect some place to get bombed soon.

>>106167921
That dude is so cooked

>>106170264
>made 900B dollars in investments in a day in exchange for not tariffing companies
>dumb

diddling donnie just thought it was unfair for US consumers to pay the lowest prices in the world for our electronic goodies, its only fair we pay more in taxes to make up the difference so he can take his lolita express trips on the public's dime

>>106170274
Blackmail is dumb, yes.

>>106170207
>>106170208
pledging is not a contract or an investment

>>106170293
eupoor out of arguments, resorting to seething, love to see it

>>106169857
Wage growth only means its going up. If I payed man A 120k a year and man B 50k and I dont raise man A's salary but increase man Bs to 55k man B's wages are increasing while man A's is stagnate

>>106170306
read a dictionary

>>106168015
>You can't just wave a fucking gun at competent people
Actually you can

FAT AMERICANS THINK THEY CAN MAKE STUFF. LMAO. get rekt you retards.

>>106168015
How do you think people get good at things? You have to do it you need to develop your own talent it just takes time. We invented the fucking things anon

>>106170405
the US is 90%+ of their market, not investing means they lose far more than that investment. international companies using slave wage labor for giant margins can be fucked for all I care

>>106168015
the US is 90%+ of their market, not investing means they lose far more than that investment. international companies using slave wage labor for giant margins can be fucked for all I care

>>106170419
>the US is 90%+ of their market
gonna need a citation on that

>>106170457
I'm sure all those Brazilians are enjoying their 5090s

>>106170460
this reply does not contain a citation
please try again

>>106170419
Those are high paying jobs and need to secure access to chips even if there is international turmoil. Wee need to make way more chips here.

>>106170457
https://www.voronoiapp.com/technology/-Nvidia-Sales-Revenue-by-Geographic-Distribution-20102024-4459

47% of the entire world's market combined, my bad

https://investor.tsmc.com/english/encrypt/files/encrypt_file/reports/2025-01/2d8b2bb6fc3b5887d24ae0635f639c1cdca834f3/4Q24ManagementReport.pdf

From a geographic perspective, revenue from customers based in North America accounted for 75% of total net revenue in 4Q24

For TSMC its 75%

>>106170495
ok so now we're down to half of the original claim, and that's only using a single company
go on

>>106167521
Spics can't manufacture chips.

>US semiconductor imports by country:
>1. Vietnam: $5.84 billion (25.1%)
>2. Thailand: $3.60 billion (15.5%)
>3. Malaysia: $3.40 billion (14.6%)
>4. India: $1.68 billion (7.2%)
>5. Cambodia: $1.41 billion (6%)
>6. Japan: $1 billion (4.3%)
>7. South Korea: $828.49 million (3.6%)
>8. Taiwan: $662.16 million (2.8%)
>9. China: $642.44 million (2.8%)
>10. Indonesia: $476.43 million (2%)
The one most affected is not Taiwan or China, but South East Asia

>>106170517
>only 47% and 75% of the world share of the biggest companies in the world vs all the world combined
Ah yea, that is worth not giving into tariffs for

>>106170510
customers means nivida, apple, amd
the end product is what gets tariffed and it is sent all over the world

>>106170510
"Based in North America" is not the same as shipped to America. Nvidia is based in America, but the chip isn't sent to America nor is their GPUs assembled there

>>106170538
constantly moving the goal posts away from the companies we are talking about I see

FIne

Americas is responsible for 42% of all revenue generation

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/apple-statistics/

Huh, AMD is the outlier

https://mlq.ai/stocks/AMD/revenue-segments/

United States: $8.69B (33.7% of total)

So on average half or more of all the world's market. Yea, I think that is worth moving production vs paying tariffs here like they are doing.

>>106170562
>accusing others of moving the goal posts when you back down your claim from 90% to 30-40%

>>106170577
you lost against my actual argument so stop trying to make it about semantics

>>106170582
if this is what winning looks like I'd hate to see losing

>>106170597
>not investing means they lose far more than that investment

>>106170573
You are missing the point of making it more competitive to make them here. If they have to pay a lot more to import it makes a lot of sense to simply make them here and bypass it. Any companies that made them here would have a huge advantage.

>>106170611
That is part of my point as to why they are investing? Did you respond to the right person? It also has the effect of increasing job and wage growth here

>>106170609
the investment demanded by trump was more than 5 years of revenue
not profit, revenue
they will wait out the clock

>>106170624
I thought you where being sarcastic since you started with America owning the lions share of the global market my B

>>106170646
>wait till Vance gets in, Vance then tariffs them even more

>>106170657
vance is less of a retard
not that he will ever get in unless don gets a clot

>>106170697
>doing all this is retarded:
>>106169660

>>106170708
correct, all of that post is retarded

>>106167521
based
too bad it won't work. Still surprised he didn't get shot.

>>106170725
Why wouldn't it work?

>>106170719
>facts are retarded because emotions
>>106169814
>>106169831
>>106169857
>>106169925
>>106169944

k

>>106170767
because it hurts his fefes after being told he is literally hitler for years by opposition media

>>106167669
As much as I'd like to think this, not true. Where is brics currency?

>>106170822
Russia has no economy, China depends fully on the US for its own export economy... what does that leave? Brazil?

>>106170835
Maybe if Russia didn't make everyone around them afraid of them again they could have made headway with their oil to EU but they ruined that. That is why China is so pissed at them, they fucked over their own bricks plan by driving everyone back to the US.

>>106170835
Russia has oil and agri, china produces literally everything, if not for US, they can still sell to literally every other country.

>>106167521
can't wait for chips manufactured by lateesha

>>106170871
no one is willing to make russia wealthy enough to invade again so they fucked that and no one else has a market even a fraction of the size of the US to sell to for china

>>106170835
2 more weeks till Ukraine wins bro for sure putin and xi are done for

>>106170897
both ukraine and russia already lost, russia lost the biggest thing it had and is now a paper tiger

>>106170886
What would us market constitute as? 50%? The rest of the world needs stuff too.

>>106170897
Lol, Putin will set fire to every single Ukrainian than lose.

>>106170905
Lets see, the EU is not even a tiny fraction of the pie and is poor as fuck, India is poor, has their own manufacturing base / population and hates China with a passion....

Hmm, Im all out of large populations with any kind of wealth at all

>>106170904
Why did all of Europe jump its military spending to 5% of GDP if Russia is so weak?

>>106170916
Cause trump said the US is not world police for free anymore. Same reason why we are revoking all the cold war era trade imbalances that were massively in favor of the EU.

>>106170922
Again why did they need to increase military spending to 5% of GDP if Russia is not a threat

>>106170915
I'd say use how many cars are sold in a country as a proxy for how much import is done. It's EU, Brazil, Indonesia, SEA, India. It's not nothing.

>>106170933
Why would he stop trying to cater to the world by stopping their leaching off of imbalanced trade if we feared them siding with a russia that was a threat?

>>106170176
It’s like if Hitler had not one, but four Mussolini’s. China has the worst luck in picking state alliances.

>>106170767
because it'll all get reversed before it pans out

>>106170945
If the Europeans thought Russia was not a threat they wouldn't need NATO and if Russia is not a threat why would we care about them sliding with Russia?

>>106170969
cause its all about power like always? And because the US does not fear them does not mean the EU does not fear them, they certainly do after the Ukraine thing just maybe a bit less since they failed so spectacularly against a much smaller nation

>>106170985
>russia lost the biggest thing it had and is now a paper tiger
>does not mean the EU does not fear them, they certainly do
one of these does not fit

>>106171001
So, it knows putin is willing to throw everything away on stupid risks, but it also knows it is nothing like it was during the cold war era, with them using WW2 tanks / equipment after emptying their stockpiles

>>106171010
>>106170933

>>106171016
>So, it knows putin is willing to throw everything away on stupid risks

>>106171020
that means hes a real threat also you cant say stupid risks if hes winning the war

>>106171020
Also china is a threat if they do a putin, they will lose as most of their navy / air force is also WW2 level and without a air force / navy capable of beating the US / Japan / UK they stand no chance as all it takes is one blockade to starve China.

That and again, China is a manufacturing economy, going to war with their customers would destroy them.

>>106171020
Bros, is WW3 happening soon?

>>106171046
You already know the answer anon.

>>106171046
>>106171043
We will see if China is smarter than Russia or if they fight a impossible war. Xi seems much smarter than Putin though but the CCP is full of idiots if they took him out.

>>106171054
This is the ultimate meme to keep normcattle sedated. Nothing's happening, go back to sleep, relax bro. I wonder who created and spread it, it doesn't feel organic.

>>106167769
Tranny brains have been castrated. They hate America. They hate American manufacturing. They hate American jobs. They hate American superiority. They have been brainwashed by the marxists propagand in schools, from media, and from their zoomie ecelebs into hating America.

>>106171098
>They hate American superiority

>>106168379
>China
>functional country
Xi pls

>>106171114
the new secretary of defense kicked all the tyrannies out and recruitment shot up

>>106171083
I agree to some degree. But I really don't think we'll see another world war the same as before at least not for a while. Governments, corporations and the elite are too entrenched and have too much power through technology. They don't need to fight massive physical battles anymore. They can get what they want and control the rest of us through soft powers and technological brainwashing.

>>106171059
Russias invasion of Ukraine was botched because they were using so much Chinese equipment and it all failed

>>106167501 (OP)
you are taxing your own chips, funny
trump beign nthe rich fag really doesn't get waht tariffs do.
so what he did is distribute tax load among the populace on everything, used to be billionairs paid more taxes and it balanced out, now whole of US going to pay taxes in form of tarifffs so Trump doesn't make his buddies pay more by accident

>>106171130
I didn't show an image with trannies in it

>>106171155
>>106170223
>>106170262
old news, they already paid the toll so they don't get the tariff

>>106171155
old news, they already paid the toll so they don't get the tariff

>>106171164
>>106171168
not the point, corpos pay enough taxes, I mean personal taxes
see, now if you buy a cheap electronic ting, it's twice more expensive but half of it goes to government
used to be, government icnrease taxes for multimillionaires and they paid that.
average joe lost big on this one.

>>106171187
except that is not true at all and nearly every company instead eats the hit the margins because prices are dictated by demand / supply and competition

>>106171198
to add, if companies don't do so then a 100% mark up means competitors in the US not effected by it can price them out of the market

>modern Apple silicon is TSMC which is exempt from tarrifs.
>Samsung is corean Exynos or chinky Snapdragon
>Google Tensor is corean Samsung
So basically ANDROID POORFAGS BTFO FOREVER APPLE IS THE ALL AMERICAN PHONE OF FREEDOM AND GLORY OH SAY CAN YOU SEE?

>>106171198
if this thing lasts, all those companies going down, are you retarded?
>>106171206
like what? US doesn't make anything cheaper

>>106171225
At the end of his term there will be no Apple devices made in the US.

>>106171225
you see, processor is not the only IC on that phone board

>>106171254
>like what? US doesn't make anything cheaper
Congratulations, you've just explained the point of tariffs to yourself without realizing it.

>>106171254
holy reading comprehension batman, try that again in English, and the 2nd line is directly disproven by what that responded to

>>106171225
>ALL AMERICAN PHONE*
>* designed in california assembled in india

>>106167501 (OP)
every time he's done this he's pussied out
revisit this in a month's time to see what actually happened

>>106171284
>>106171272
if they don't comply, which they already did, a 100% mark up is enough room for competition in the US not paying it to pay a decent-ish wage and still beat them in pricing

>>106171272
where are you going to get 200 more million people to replace chine factories? not to mention how long it takes to set up a factory in US and how expensive it is for all the papers and lawyers, so 3-5 years per factory?

>>106171293
>>106171296
Can you try that again in Engrish?

>>106171304
can you find a way to build 100 factories in 3.5 years to replace china?

>>106171316
No but that's the point, you incentivize the companies to come to you.

>>106171290
>getting exactly what he wanted is pussing out
I found this whole taco thing funny, its either a complete bad faith thing or people saying it are actual retards.

>>106171168

>>106171325
i'm not necessarily against it, i don't know enough about tariffs to have an opinion either way. he's raised prices on grocery items though, i have noticed that.

>>106171323
>you incentivize the companies to come to you.
>China, India, Malasya,Thailand and Vietnam
>close hafl their factories
>build them IN US for obscene amount of money compared to locally
>move all the workers to US
>
>PROFIT
you guys are retarded in there

>>106171341
Tariffs have been around for hundreds of years. They wouldn't still be if they didn't work at least some of the time.

>>106167501 (OP)
Finding new ways to make his friends rich.

>>106171266
iphone 16e and presumably the future 17 are getting rid of the qualcomm modem chip for their own design.

>>106171338
well that is just plain wrong, are you the democrat twitter account staffer who didn't know how to read the graph he posted?

>>106171347
ONLY OTHER COUNTRIES CAN USE THEM!!! DONT YOU GET IT! IF THE US FOLLOWS SUIT ITS WRONG!!! /s

>>106171347
sure, but my point it will take two decades for factories to move, and there isn't enough people to fill them in US

>>106171225
only godless atheist commies buy android phones. Real Americans always buy the latest iPhone on a 24 month payment plan!

>>106171393
He is not targeting every single industry, they are product specific.

>>106171352
what about voltage regulators, resistors, condensators?

>>106171393
Nobody said it'd be immediate.

>>106171399
these ones are, but country wide 25% thing is still in effect isn't it?

>>106171400
>our 10c commodity chip using some ancient process now costs 20c and that's only if we can't find a tariff exempt alternative supplier
not really a problem, it's the power and performance sensitive compute and radio stuff that's hard.

>>106167501 (OP)
Crash the economy so he can purchase stock for pennies in the dollar. Simple as.

>>106171422
he is exempting both product categories and companies if they start to invest into moving to the US

>>106171435
the opposite in fact

>>106171428
pretty sure if you built a phone with IC components made in tariffed country whole phone gets 100% import rate.

>>106171440
>if they start to invest into moving to the US
so nobody? some small 100k workers factory in china isn't going to invest anything in US, so all your bearings got +25% more expensive.
more importantly, nobody will let them do it

>>106171465
does anyone bother scrolling up anymore?
>>106171198
>>106171293

>>106171465

>>106171476
nobody going to eat 100% margins retard. it's -100% in revenue. are you insane?

>>106167501 (OP)
That's just a china/taiwan tariff without saying it

>>106171490
they will or they get priced out, competition is a thing and 100% is more than enough for them to get priced out. History proves this

>>106171490
not so much insane as braindead

>>106171503
>being aware of economic truths is braindead
Stop ignoring fact in favor of emotions and hating the other side

Prices are very carefully set depending on supply and demand and market place conditions / expected value, companies can not expect to upcharge 100% and get the same demand. And then a 100% markup means a competitor not paying it in the US has plenty of room to set a fair wage and still price them out by 50% or more.

So, knowing this the companies including such giants like apple and TSCM instead choose to invest into moving to the US to avoid this instead. Because they are not stupid and know this for a fact.>>106171168

>>106171497
by who? it's not made in US. and what is made in US is not enough to fill the market or as expensive as the imported stuff with the tariffs.
so say you buy same bearings for your factory from somewhere, it got import tax now, what do you do? search for new bearings locally risking failures? no you just put import tax inside the price of finished product.

>>106171550
>>106171541

>>106171403
Trump seems to imply so.

>>106169814
>U.S. Treasury posts $27 billion budget surplus in June
anon... tariffs are taxes that you are paying.
tariffs have nothing to do with the rest of the shit you said here >>106169660

>>106169842
>>106169854
these have to be bots

>>106170013
anon, the TSMC employees that will be making chips in the US are taiwanese, and they aren't being paid US wages kek

>>106171579
That's called optimism and being a good businessman. You bullshit about the positives even when they may not exist.

>>106168379
I really don't get the fanfare over BRICS and I'm Brazilian. Not really trying to dunk on the other countries, but "organization" is basically just China while India looks jealous and scared from a corner.
As for OP post, the market was up a few percents today. They literally don't believe that Trump has it in him to do anything.

>>106171586
>anon... tariffs are taxes that you are paying.
sigh.. im tired of repeating the same arguments against new people, scroll up if you actually care about the truth

>>106171589
>Trump
>being a good businessman
Ja ja ja

>>106171603
Things change, bitch boy

>>106171603
*дa дa дa

>>106171600
>I'm not paying tariffs though
american education, everyone. your made up "arguments" don't matter here

also, even for the companies that will NOT pay tariffs (because of the condition that they build fabs in the US), you will end up paying higher prices because of the increase in costs (labor, materials, taxes, ...)

>>106171603
>>106169660
>>106169814
>>106169831
>>106169857
>>106169925
>>106169944
All this and revoking all the massively biased trade deals for more favorite US deals is bad business huh? Maybe for other countries

>>106171616
cept that is not how it historically works and if it was then tariffs would not be a thing for all of history and other countries would not use them.

>>106171555
you need to learn to listen to people who actually live in countries with tariffs their whole life
wake up from your disneyland fantasy.

>>106171630
you need to listen to facts and not emotions

>>106171623
how long will it take for you to udnerstand that tariffs ae just a fancy way to tax everyone and fill the budget? see you in two years when you are going to complain you can't afford anything anymore and it was so good back then.

>>106171643
>still no argument against my explanation and the historical reality of that not being the case and the reason tariffs even exist / are used around the world

>>106171617
>all the massively biased trade deals
that equals to zero for the people, india tariffs imports and US tariffs import = we just all pay more for same shit as yesterday.
gov budget=/=economy

>>106171651
>the government continuing to borrow money and increasing the borrowing rate totally does not hurt the economy
jesus chirst the economical illiteracy

>>106171623
>other countries would not use them.
other countries use them to protect specific national industries, but they never impose such high levels of tariffs. also, it was the US itself that promoted free trade crap, and now that your corporations seem the threat of a chinese overtake, you pretend to be "isolationists", when in reality, you, as the hypocrites you are, have enjoyed the results of bombing half the world to impose that world order.

but ok, I actually like where things are going. I just hope this shit doesn't affect me much. it might, though, seeing how the US is the biggest consumer market in the world, and therefore economies of scale might break... and prices will end up going up for everyone, everywhere.

>>106171664
>threat of a chinese overtake
lol, and thank you for masking off on who you really are / what you represent. I see why you didn't bother engaging in actual logical argument with any of my points. Good bye

>>106171655
>he government continuing to borrow money and increasing the borrowing rate
two separate issues

>>106171679
stop with the retarded damage control.

>>106171648
historical reality of 19th century is very different to today
tariffs work for local EXISTING industries, when the factory doesn't exist all tariffs do is make everything more expensive
thinking about it, it's pretty hilarious that US started over tariffs dispute. hah

>>106171676
you are mentally retarded, my man. trumps economic advisors literally say they want a weakened US dollar so they can build more factories to export cheap crap (to compete with china, obviously)
enjoy a degraded life standard. I hope you don't end up working in coal mines.

>>106171704
>surely you could source them saying exactly that and its not some bad faith speculation by opposition, right?

>>106171704
US life standard is barely better than slovakia or some other half european country, they just pay for it x3 more

>>106171598
TACO Trump indeed lmao. The dumb old man screeches for awhile, they give him "concessions" then he forgets about it until he's back at it again the next month.

>>106171715
17T+ worth of concessions so far, sounds like a good deal

>>106171722
>17T+
of air, money didn't move anywhere yet for real, everyone waits when he is out of office

>>106171727
man, you will mental gymnastics in anyway you can huh? You are well trained.

>>106171712
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/01/investors-weak-dollar-00486669

>>106171749
>politico
lol, kek even, so yea then some bad faith speculation by opposition

>>106171760
you are a little stupid, exporters want cheap currency anywhere in the world, it's a basic trading axiom

>>106171760
anon, you are in denial. you clearly have no clue how shit works. I live in a country that exports a lot, and for exporters, a weaker local currency is fucking great...
think about it, retard.

>>106171767
what country is that then, huh? what did I say that was wrong?

>>106171760
>>106171767
also, why do you think they want lower interest rates? they want to keep printing... it's very convenient for both exporters and for the treasury. the treasury would be able to devalue and kick the debt

>>106171773
I don't even know what you are trying to argue here kek. go to sleep, you imbecile
here are his words, by the way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veo6ksI5H8c

>>106171781
you know that does not mean a weak economy right?

>>106171354
Trump was mailing checks to people's homes during COVID, literally socialism. That money printing hit with a lag which is the spike you see on that chart. Are you retarded or what?

Then the Fed jacked up interest rates, which got inflation under control, which you can see on your chart.

>>106171664
When a consumer market gets cut off, prices go down for everyone else.
In Europe prices go up because they sanction the whole world, so the one country they got left is the master, the USA. If you isolate yourself together with a consumer market, your prices go up.

There shouldn't even be any such thing as a consumer market.
The only way how you can consume more than you offer is through a scam, like endless growing debts.

>>106171805
He's right in that it means inflation and worse living standards. But when the inflation kicks in a year from now you'll be blaiming it on someone else.

>>106171805
>does not mean a weak economy
your economy will grows like crazy on paper, but prices in the stores will also grows every single day, they will adjust price tags on bread three times a day
look at turkey for examples.

>>106171807
That makes no sense.
The CoViD relieve money is money they spent on the spot. There is no delay.
And Binden started to wage war and got China to sell US bonds.

>>106171815
inflation will get outsourced into the EU

>>106171805
anon...
well, someone else answered that.
you are retarded. QED.

>>106171813
>When a consumer market gets cut off, prices go down for everyone else.
temporarily, maybe. what about the long run, though? we will probably be in trouble, no?
consider that the US is like 30-40% of the worlds consumer market. that's a BIG fucking hit for all tech companies...

>>106171833
>The CoViD relieve money is money they spent on the spot. There is no delay.
No, money printing always comes with a lag. And with people locked up in their homes they didn't spend as much. They bought meme coins and not as much real goods.

When the lockdowns ended, guess what happened? Crypto crashed as people withdrew their money to spend on real shit. And inflation spiked.

>>106171840
>consider that the US is like 30-40% of the worlds consumer market.
how can 300m people consume so much? is US the source of half of world's landfills?

>>106171847
Why would it come with a lag?
We are talking about money here that people spent immediately. Not about debts you pay off or bank bail outs.

Bidens wars and his ridiculous corruption in Ukraine and sanctions caused what you see there.
The USA is a country living off debts.
What happens when you cut off half of the countries who can loan you money?

>>106171852
That data is wrong, American consumers are like 17% of the world consumer market IIRC.

>>106171852
Debts.
On average, every American has 6k in credit card debts alone.
Then you distribute the federal and state debts per capita, and you realize that the USA is factually bankrupt since 1971 (when they had to drop the gold standard on international trade, because they didn't have the goal anymore).

>>106171852
I don't know, man.

>>106171870
>Why would it come with a lag?
>We are talking about money here that people spent immediately.
Because the money wasn't immediately spent on the economy.

Or rather, to be more precise, poorfags spent their checks immediately. While middle class and rich people were parking their money in stocks and crypto.

When the lockdowns ended people started spending more money dining out, commuting, etc, etc. and all that printed money flooded the market.

>Bidens wars and his ridiculous corruption in Ukraine and sanctions caused what you see there.
Kek no that's literally the excuse the Fed put out, the reality is that money printing causes inflation not wars on the opposite corner of the planet. Did you see inflation during Iraq in 2003? No, stop being retarded.

I'm glad the bullet failed, now everyone hates this guy

China went from 1.3 T $ of US treasury bonds to 700 B $.
We are halfway there, China will drop the rest as well, and the one who has to pay for it, is the mulatto cattle.
Pay your debts mutts! China wants its money back!

>>106171893
>Because the money wasn't immediately spent on the economy.
yes, it was.
Because it was given to the ordinary population.
You don't remember that? They all spent their covid bux immediately.

on average, every American ows 4300 $ to the Chinese government

>>106167501 (OP)
apple and NVIDIA immune

>>106171926
so basically no reason for tsmc to actually do anything

>>106171905
You can track these statistics.
Most of the money was printed in 2020.
This is called M3 it's banking money. It's the big blue spike you see here. (Not to scale because M3 is much bigger than M1, these are %)

But M1 only spiked in 2021. That's cash. Again shown in percentage.

So in 2020 you didn't have money flooding the market.
I don't know what TikTok videos you saw. But cash flooded the market in 2021.
As people converted their M3 (stocks, bonds, crypto, money market accounts) into cash to buy goods.

>>106171953
Also notice the inflation slowed down because the Fed jacked up rates so high it begun destroying money.

Again the inflation has to do with the money supply and not partisan politics. Hardly a Trump win.

btw, in case anyone cares about >>106171704
>trumps economic advisors literally say they want a weakened US dollar so they can build more factories to export cheap crap
here's something to read:
https://ielp.worldtradelaw.net/2025/04/stephen-miran-on-the-us-providing-global-public-goods.html

Stephen Miran is the guy that wrote a "plan" for Trump, some sort of action guide. that article has a link to their original plan:
https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/documents/FG/hudsonbay/research/638199_A_Users_Guide_to_Restructuring_the_Global_Trading_System.pdf

>>106171953
just that this chart is percentage and proves that Biden printed more money faster like crazy.
And what Biden printed, didnt go to the people to spend it immediately.

>>106171953
So why did they print more money in 2023 than in 2021?
Almost as if Bidens retarded warmongering is worse than CoViD

>>106171871
why are you lying, the data is public
>>106170510
>>106170495
>>106170562

>>106172014
Most of the printed money is in the blue spike.

I just explained it's not to scale. M3 is like 15 times bigger than M1.
Grey line is just people converting their money from blue to grey.
That is cashing out the money that was printed in 2020.
Jesus.

Hard to have any sort of debate when you can't read a chart.

>>106172027
The line goes down in 2023?

>>106171965
>Again the inflation has to do with the money supply and not partisan politics.
btw i do agree with that, i am just arguing that for the USA - a highly indebted country - geopolitics are a more important factor. Because it needs constant money from outside. Gifted money, that has no need to be paid back.

When China drops US bonds, its not only the money you directly lose by them doing this, but also the money you lose because they would usually buy more of them.
If they usually buy 100bn per year, but now drop 100bn per year. You don't lose 100bn, you lose 200bn.

And exporting inflation to vassals only works as long as those vassals are themselves doing good.
An EU in a recession can gift you less money than one that is doing well.

AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>106172046
The chart is a percentage in a year to year comparison.
For it to become less, it would have to go below 0.
They printed 30% more new money in 2023 compared to 2022.

>>106167768
so underpaid retards?

>>106172065
It's monthly year-on-year.

Picture it like this:
If you destroy money in November line goes down, but it's still higher than a year before.
Here's another visualization (pure monthly change) so you see I'm not lying.
It was widely reported if you follow at the time finance twitter.
The money supply shrank in 2022 through a good part of 2023.

>>106172089

>>106172089
A yearly rolling average, so in November 2023 you had 30% more than in November 2022. A Growth chart. As long as its over 0, it is growing.

Meanwhile the chart you post now is one i do not get.
"% Off High", which high of what? The growth of growth, so the acceleration?

>>106172057
That has to do with the US being the reserve currency. It's a real complex problem because Americans depend on the world buying their debt, but if the world can't sell its goods to Americans then they can't buy the debt.

It's quite difficult to rebalance it, and some fear Trump's gunho approach may throw the baby with the bathwater.

>>106172115
>A yearly rolling average, so in November 2023 you had 30% more than in November 2022.
Correct.

> As long as its over 0, it is growing.
No, it was already shrinking on a monthly basis.

>"% Off High", which high of what? The growth of growth, so the acceleration?
How much it's down from ATH.

>>106172133
What baby its already all gone the avg age of a first time homeowner in the USA is 38 years old now. Its beyond broken.

>>106172147
I don't know how lower taxes for the rich boomers and more deregulation is gonna help with that. The tariff thing is not gonna improve home-ownership, since it's basically a tax on the poor mostly.

>>106172172
It need to happen to restart the industrial engine. The tax cuts on corps and the rich is unreal you are right about that and people need to be pressed about that. I see the traffics as painful but necessary.

>>106172133
Being the reserve currency would usually still make them rise, even when they themselves isolate. Because the trade between e.g. China and Japan is still in USD and if that trade increases, they need to buy more USD.

Basically, the USD debts should increase by the same level as the world wide GDP.
Meanwhile any other country, with its own currency, wants to keep its depts in relation to its own GDP.
The problem is, that China isn't interested in this scheme anymore - because the US itself enacted a trade war - so now the USA needs to find its stability in a debt increase relative to its sphere of influence.
Chinas GDP rose by over 200% between 2009 and now, the amount of US treasury bonds they hold, is now the same as 2009. The status as reserve currency can be considered over. The corrections the USA has to do because of this, is what we see now.

btw. You can see on the first graph that after 2008 crisis was over, it went a fair bit below 0, while after CoViD it still kept increasing.

>>106172204
>now the USA needs to find its stability in a debt increase relative to its sphere of influence
and if we think this through, it means that the best long-term strategy of milking the European vassals is to milk them just enough to drop them to a 0 growth.
As soon as they are in a recession, you cut into your own debt supply and it's not sustainable.
But maybe you don't care about sustainability and want to liquidize your assets now?

The EU just signed a deal with Trump that makes them gift 500 billion to the USA. It's a gift. They get nothing in return.
Simultaniously, anything the US gifts to Ukraine is now paid by the EU.
So the US can just ship a tank to Ukraine for 1000 times its actual worth, and the EU has to pay for it.
The US secured ways to simply take money away from the vassals whenever they feel like it.

>>106167521
They won’t and the only thing dying will be the US economy.

>>106171722
>>17T+ worth of concessions so far, sounds like a good deal
kek, you actually believe that money is going to flow towards the US for real? Let me guess, you also believe everything Trump says.
Reality is that he keeps lying about literally everything, they keep lying to him about the money they will move towards the US and they will keep lying to his dumb face until the fat fuck croaks.
Pretty much the entire world has figured out how to deal with your toddler-in-chief, and they are all playing him.

>>106169105
They all say they will, because that shuts Trump up, you pudding brain. They are NEVER going to do it, as manufacturing in the US means that they are pricing themselves out of every market on the planet.
I can see why your joke of a country voted this idiot into power. You guys are even more retarded than him.

>>106167769
You may have a point, but there is no possible way for a cost-effective manufacturing of semiconductors on US soil without either completely shitting on human rights (in terms of labour laws) or having it ALL be done by machines. It’s cost-prohibitive to manufacture in the US.

>>106167521
Would take decades to move your entire supply chain over the three US and the products would be an order of magnitude more expensive than imports, even with the tariff. It's not happening.