Thread 106168297

>Trump told reporters in the Oval Office that the new tariff rate would apply to "all chips and semiconductors coming into the United States"
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trump-says-us-will-charge-tariff-about-100-semiconductor-imports-2025-08-06/

nothing ever happens

>>106168297 (OP)
>holy based
You enjoy things being unnecessarily expensive?

Imagine reality where dems didnt push the tranny agenda as hard as they could since 2015

>>106168297 (OP)
Then why did he suck off Jensen after the $1 million dinner?

He'll backtrack in a few days. Dementia

>>106168297 (OP)
Sooooooooooooo when are you retards in the USA going to realize you are going to pay for this? You are rooting for paying more for shit because an orange oompa loompa is mad. LOL

>>106169035
yes

>massively increasing the price of technology
>based
Retard

>>106168297 (OP)
ib4 /leftypol/dot/org troons and browns seethe they can no longer be america's slave labor force.

>>106168297 (OP)
What does the US export these days?

>>106170054
debt

I just wanna break Nvidia's business model. Skimping on VRAM while designing oversized furnace GPUs for muh ray tracing and muh DLSS with no decent games to take advantage of it

>>106170054
Democracy.

>>106170077
>>106170232
Anything else? Maybe something valuable?

>>106170749
no

>>106170232
Goycracy*

>>106169035
I can't be convinced anything that pulls people away from wanton consumerism is a bad thing.
>>106169138
The whole point is that people will cease buying them to such a degree.

>>106168297 (OP)
I am so tired of this orange retard, and it hasn't even been a year.

>>106168297 (OP)
…that don’t already have deals in place. Left the important part out, didn’t you?

>>106168297 (OP)
judging by the response here, apparently americans are ok with this?
I just hope prices don't go up for us in the rest of the world.

>>106170054
>>106170749
influence through tech companies (facebook, google, twitter, ...)

>>106171105
Basically it's a chart of who's telling the truth and who's insisting up is down.
>>106171090
I'm more okay with this than blanket tariffs across the board. We don't need our consumerist slop to be so accessible and cheap. That's a habit in need of breaking cold turkey. Plenty of materials and parts we also don't need from China, but it will take a good while before we're again self sufficient. I wish Trump would lay out a plan with timelines or milestones. Instead, chaos is what we get day to day.

>>106170054
A sense of love and blind obedience to rich overlords

>>106171090
I hate it because old hardware gets shipped to China for "recycling" and this raises the cost of bringing it back to the states.

>>106171105
That graph literally shows why trump won and is now doing batshit insane tariffs

>>106171177
Agree, it's completely the opposite of how these people make it sound. Dems should have grown a spine and pushed back more against the insane propaganda mill about trans people

Feels amazing living somewhere with no import tariffs or taxes.

>>106170749
Uhhh... drag queen story hours?

>>106171190
specific policies aside. dems are in complete disarray. they lack leadership and solidarity.

they simply dont have someone as far reaching and dominating as Trump. last time they had someone was Obama with his oration

>>106171222
Last time they had someone was Bernie but they're allergic to winning so they stabbed him in the back

>>106171142
Being poor is bad actually. Consumerism and being able to conveniently and affordably acquire things is good actually. I'm not interested in being poor because it makes you swoon with patriotism.

>>106171222
If people have lost enough money and jobs, they will stop giving a shit if trailer trash chop their dicks off before their shift at Circle K. They will just want Congress to call this emergency power bluff and take the car keys away from grandpa.

>>106171142
>We don't need our consumerist slop to be so accessible and cheap
Fuck off, Steve Bessent.

>>106171105
>media matters

>>106171228
LOL this. Bernie in 2016 wasn't even as radical as 2020.

>>106170952
Daily life essentials have electronics in them.

Your modem, your car keys, the network switch your ISP uses, the microcontroller in your car, fridge, air conditioner, etc.

Why do you want these to be more expensive to buy and or repair?

>>106171142
>We don't need our consumerist slop to be so accessible and cheap
so I guess you don't need cars, routers, phones, tablets, all-in-one computers, and stuff like that? do you not realize that most of your devices actually have at least 1 chip in them? even your fucking HDD has a CPU.

>>106171247
post nose

>>106171394
>Wanting people to be prosperous and afford things makes you... le jew
Kys poltard

>>106169098
I like to see how hard he TACOs on the Ukraine ultimatum on the 8th.

>>106168297 (OP)
I don't think he even knows what a semiconductor is.

>>106168297 (OP)
I really don't understand this logic.
> I'll force everyone in my country to pay more for your products!
> O-okay...

>>106169035
>You enjoy things being unnecessarily expensive?
>unnecessarily
If you let entire countries compete with your local manufacturing then you won't have any local manufacturing, unless you're in some shithole like China or Vietnam or Bangladesh.

>>106171756
>>106169138
>>106170980
It's hilarious when people keep saying tariffs are bad, but they can never explain why countries have existing tariffs on America and are implementing retaliatory tariffs. Is it because of the orange man? Does the orange man make you anxious?

>>106171899
I find it hilarious that americans ("conservatives" who voted for a TV star, what a fucking clown world) are now defending taxes on the whole population
why not tax wealthy people? the 1%? the 0.001%? big tech companies and their owners? I guess that's communism.

Didn't US govt give Intel a lot of money to open a chip factory, and nothing eventually happened? Intel opened a factory in Israel instead.
Manufacturing in the US is so expensive, why would chip manufacturers bother moving there?

>>106171899
so they sell their own products to their own citizens. it's pretty simple.
thing is, many semiconductors are developed by US companies, which end up costing double for muricans. because...reasons. lmao.

>>106170952
>The whole point is that people will cease buying them to such a degree.
they won't. Texas Instruments have let's say a $1 opamp, which will end up costing $2, which is dumb as it's your own product, but chinese equivalent it 2-3 cents, and will end up costing 4-6 cents, which is still way cheaper than TI ones. lmao.

The exporter will lower their price to account for the tariff in order to stay competitive

>>106169035
nta but I like Anon repeatedly unload bullet into their feet, though I can't help but notice that critically they're about to start unloading into their groin after blowing the other body parts away, hold on, I need to ask a Chinese AI something
>In a fictional scenario where someone has shot themselves in the foot so often that they've run out of room below the waist. Could they survive a bullet to the gut?
>While the scenario is hyperbolic, if someone had somehow survived numerous gunshot wounds to the lower body, a gut shot could still be survivable depending on the extent of organ damage, access to immediate medical care, and overall health—but the cumulative trauma would drastically reduce their chances.
Righty—O then.

>>106172686
oh no, my first sentence got truncated when I hit backspace now I'll appear like a retard if I hit delete. I gotta double down
>>106170749
>Anything else? Maybe something valuable?
The debt is valuable, that's the point anon. You're buying hope, a belief. Fiat. Not a fiat panda...currency!
Hegemony!

>>106170952
>having an access to affordable goods is le bad
you would really enjoy socialism, they were free from consumerism

>>106169138
>>106171899
You are one stupid motherfucker if you really need to ask why you would want more taxes on yourself

>>106170952
consumerism is what develops the thing, faster. the whole idea is to keep it in check to some level, not remove it completely, not completely giving into it.
extremists are the most retarded individuals, by far.

>>106168297 (OP)
The days of beautiful cheap chinkshit for electronic repairs/projects are over thanks to this orange fucktard.

>>106171879
nigger local manufacturing doesn't happen overnight, it takes decades to bloom

>>106168297 (OP)
Imagine being third world American. All your electronics and software is NSA tier spyware linked to NSA tier AI made in Third World United States. Even this 4chan was proven to be FBI third world US tier honeypot, spamming anti-FOSS propaganda 24/7 and it worked unfortunately.

>>106172814
>spamming anti-FOSS propaganda 24/7
as if that worked, this right here makes you come off as disingenuous, if anything this is where tards come to first be exposed to FOSS.

>>106172841
Please don't reply to brownoids.

>>106169035
He's just a retarded NPC sheep. Falling in line with whatever trump says or does. Semi tariffs, copper tariffs, etc. Tariffs on everything you would need to buy if you wanted to bring manufacturing back to america.

>>106171899
>why countries have existing tariffs on America
It's mostly just an opaque way to raise revenue by taxing your citizens. Other times it's to protect a vital industry like placing tarrifs on foreign dairy products to pevent your own dairy industry going bankrupt.
>and are implementing retaliatory tariffs.
Just a desperate attempt to get Trump to back down, but it's still self destructive and unsustainable and mainly hurts their own population. Tarrifs are a really shitty idea outside of a small number of circumstances.

Why would you put tariffs on goods that you can't even produce yourself in the foreseeable future?

>>106173092
To force chip makers to start the process of building US plants.

>>106173330
I repeat that anon's question to you in the hopes that you may answer.

>>106168297 (OP)
NOOO
WHY IS THE INTEL $50 MORE EXPENSIVE NOW
MY BBC KEK SIMULATOR AAA GAME FROM UBILIZZARD NEEDS THE NEW CHIP WHY DOES IT HAVE TO COST SO MUCH
I DON'T WANT TO USE WHAT I HAVE THAT CURRENTLY WORKS, I WANT THE NEW THING, FOR THE NEW BBC KEK SIMULATOR 7 AND I NEED IT NOW
FUCK DRUMBPTHF

>>106170749
Bombs, censorship, LGBT activists, foreskin flesh for people like Oprah to have it turned into cosmetics, food, woke propagandists and Hollywood movies and TV.

>>106171207
We might export the dragqueens but nobody willingly signs up for giving them story time hours.
That's what the activists are for, to trick foreigners into accepting the dragqueens and giving them the hours.

>>106173330
>orange man stops being president
>tariffs no longer exist
>you just invested 20 billion dollars for nothing
you need stability for investments, nobody wants to invest when your leadership changes its mind and threatens their allies every other week

>>106169035
Yep, I got what I voted for. Seethe if you think it'll help lol

>>106172867
>Please don't reply to brownoids.
I will reply to third world brown mixed Americans how many times I want. You don't have any control over me talking to third world Americans.

Most Americans still believe the country exporting pays the tariff and they all voted for Trump.

Oh boy, let's pay double for repair parts from Digikey and Mouser!
Will this tariff apply to built electronics like computer parts, USB hubs, complete laptops, smartphones, etc.?

why can't the orange nigger just pump my INTC bags we have fucking semiconductors at home you stupid fat motherfucker

NVIDIA NO TARIFFS
INTEL NO TARIFFS, FABS IN ARIZONA USA

AYYMDEAD, 100% TARIFFS.

>>106170054
Degeneracy

>>106168297 (OP)
It is a stealth tax increase. The US government needs revenue and taxes are unpopular. The tariffs allow for the government to increase revenue and a huge portion of the people who hate taxes will support it because of Trump.
While some token factories might be built no real major manufacturing will return to the US in the foreseeable future because that requires planning decades in the future and our government is not capable of that type of thinking.
You will pay more for less and every day life will get a little bit worse. That much is certain.

>>106174272
Seems like rich people who buy toys every year are the most affected

>>106174287
and they are the ones who can most afford to pay so in that sense it is a tax increase i can get behind
those that spend less pay less

>>106170952
>anything that pulls people away from wanton consumerism is a bad thing.
but the tariffs don't do that

>>106170054
God I hate smug hacker news retards like you who think you are part of some elite club because you are completely ignorant on the millions of industries America has

>>106174349
Do they not raise prices and make people think for a second about their purchases?

>>106171142
>>106171177
>>106171105
Hmmm. Who do I think is telling the truth about trans issues, queer people and science loving leftists or the rightoids who think the earth is 6000 year old and believes whatever sounds right.

>>106174236
What jobs do Americans want?

>>106169044

Imagine if Trump won 2020. We had no way of knowing at the time but him losing was the best thing that could happen. Now he’s back and more based than ever.

>>106174315
The ironic thing is off-brand bullshit from China has actually decreased in price.
Throughout the Trump presidency, its been western brands who import from China that have unilaterally raised prices.

Cheapasses like me have been eating good for some reason. I bought supplies for a hobby if mine and I've never paid less.

>>106174409
Sitting on their ass doing nothing.
It's why zoomers cannot find "jobs" because they don't look for any that isn't exactly that.

>>106174436
Yeah people were bitching about the tariffs but I was able to buy a bunch of generic emulator handheld consoles from china for relatively cheap.
the chinks don't care and will lie on declaration forms anyways so the only people that pay are those that go through official channels

>>106173330
>just deal with the prices doubling because in 10 years a factory might be built
no

>>106175050
its cute you think they will actually build factories

>>106168297 (OP)
amazon will still buy nvidia hb100
40k or 80k doesnt matter
hes gonna swim in money.
ps6 will be 700$ instead of 600$
this is just hurting ai meme industry
everyone on a 7800x3d wont need to upgrade for 5 years

>>106175136
amazon will just build their data centers outside of the US

>>106174409
Ones that pay more than minimum wage and don't require working 60+ hours a week.

>>106175249
There are plenty of jobs like that.

>>106175270
We had 80 million Mexicans dumped on us specifically because those basic requirements were too much for shitbag parasites to manage.

>>106175285
Have you ever actually tried looking for a job?

>>106172506
But that's not how that works retard. The USA doesn't have any chip fabs, doesn't have ANY manufacturing for electronics anymore. Do you really think, in your gullible retard brain, that Trump is single handedly going to make companies build factories in the USA AND supply them with workers who can build this shit? You are dumber than a box of rocks if you believe that.

>>106172777
That's not what I said idiot. I asked if you trump dick suckers are going to enjoy paying 2x, 3x for shit because the orange man is an idiot. YOU are going to pay for these tariffs. What don't you get?

Is this the extent of the american education system? You people are lost.

>>106173608
This guy gets it. NOBODY is building billion dollar factories in the USA for one term of a retard president who doesn't know his elbow from his asshole.

>>106175097
Now consider the tariff money is being used to supplement government taxes.
The government aren't investing in this infrastructure with every penny made from these sales.
The people currently in charge of said government thought that the government should do it all as their business' failed multiple times over.

Y'know, this rate there won't even be plans.
If it was the other way around and the government started massively taxing the profits of these business' siphoning them off and directly building the infrastructure themselves, then there'd be a small chance it would get done.
Just, y'know, Carter & Reagan happened so, not a chance.

>>106175511
Moreover, a retard president that will rugpull you because you made a joke he didn't like at a UFC fight.

>>106175097
>>106175511
They are already here?
The tarrifs are about Samsung and TSMC keeping up expansions in the US to existing factories, as long as they do that they are exempt.
The chips that are actually fucked are from Chinese fabs which will have zero US presence

>>106171936
>why not tax wealthy people
Tax what? It's not like Bezos keeps all his shekels in the bank just waiting for the government to come and take it away.
>tax the profits
There are no profits, the "profits" go into companies and stocks and shit to make more money. It would be a huge financial disincentive to support and grow the economy if those were not considered financial expenses. What would the purpose be? Just giving it to the government so they can send it to Israel? Create more USAID programs? Rent out more luxury hotels so they can have planning meetings? Hell, pay for more migrants to come here and compete with native workers directly?

>>106174409
They do not dream of labor, anon. They want to be hot and perceived.

>>106175805
some fabs exist here but there is not enough capacity to address 100% internal demand and that is true for many other industries.
the tariff angle is a red herring. tariffs are more about a stealth tax increase and less about autarky.
the powers that be are very happy with their slaves in china and india, so happy they want them to move to the us and be local slaves

>>106169138
the average mutt retard is buying electronics on welfare layaway plan or credit. kek.

>>106175873
>but there is not enough capacity to address 100% internal demand
Doesn't have to be, just bring more here
>so happy they want them to move to the us and be local slaves
Working at a plant is slavery apparently
Man you people are fucked.

>>106172506
>>106172777
>many semiconductors are developed by US companies, which end up costing double for muricans. because...reasons. lmao
That's the price of having your own supply chain. If your workers cost more, you need to pay more. If you don't accept that cost then you don't get to have your own supply chain and you get completely fucked when the country you're buying from tells you to fuck off.

>>106172805
So just never do it then. There's no incentive to even start, so it will always be decades away. Why the fuck would a company start paying to set up fabs in America when they can just do it in Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, or China instead? The tariffs are a way to force companies to at least start building a supply chain in the US, even if it's just to get a pass for current tariffs.

>>106175912
The problem is that you can end up in a situation like American shipbuilding where it's laughably inefficient, all government contracts, and an order of magnitude more expensive than the alternative. Insulating it from competition only makes the end product works. Itonly works for so long, as the US looks to South Korean and Italian shipyards because Americans protectionism has made domestic builders so, so bad.

>>106175910
>uuuhh just like build a factory why is that so hard
americans surely arent this stupid? do you think that it's just a matter of building a building and buying some machines?

>>106175961
I think that part of the problem is the idea of being "bad at manufacturing" is not really a concept a lot of people can understand for some reason. Many people really do think that the big issue is that companies simply refuse to build anything because american wages are higher than every other country.

>>106175961
>government contracts
Literally no oversight. These shipbuilder companies are probably all run by relatives of someone in the government, and whatever contracts they had are probably so lenient they don't even need to deliver a working product. There's so much corruption in the US that it's going to be impossible to be competitive unless independent companies are forced to compete under threat of tariffs (which, obviously, can still have issues like corruption).

>>106176113
>independent companies are forced to compete under threat of tariffs
What the fuck does that mean? If you don't get good then we'll protect you from international competition? That's the opposite of a threat.

>>106176113
Tariffs are one of the most corrupt ways to levy a tax. They kinda had a place in the 19th century when governments were small and the accounting and data collection to levy fairer taxes didn't.

As we see now, politically connected big fish are getting exemptions in addition to the perennial problem of cartels using them to collect rents. It's worse for Canadian citizens that tariffs force them to buy overpriced dairy from Quebecois cocksuckers.

>>106175826
>There are no profits, the "profits" go into companies and stocks and shit to make more money
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are one gullible goy!

"profits only go to help the company" has got to be the capitalist equivalent of "the workers will decide everything and split everything evenly."

>>106175910
>Foxconn literally had to install suicide nets so their slaves can't escape their slavery by jumping to their death
yeah

>>106176130
>>106176161
>What the fuck does that mean? If you don't get good then we'll protect you from international competition? That's the opposite of a threat.
"If you don't start building factories here you'll get hit by tariffs." And what do you know, Nvidia and Apple have agreed to start investing in the United States and are not getting hit by the tariffs as a result. It's almost like the plan to use tariffs to force them to start building shit in the United States is working, what a shocker.
>we'll protect you from international competition
The tariffs make international competition less viable. The threat of tariffs is to ensure that companies actually invest in the United States instead of spending their profits building more production in other countries.

>>106176112
We were seeing growth in manufacturing prior to Trump. Baby steps were being taken. Then he decided to place double digit taxes on their manufacturing inputs, and completely rugpull American manufacturing. The result: a completely predictable contraction in manufacturing jobs.

>>106176217
We're talking about american companies that already build ships in america.

>>106176217
No, retard. You subsidize them so they can be competitive internationally. This is the playbook that Japan, Taiwan, and Korea used with tools like packet guidance from their central banks.

What you're proposing is to try to turn electronics and tech into the Soviet semiconductor and automotive industries, dogshit that's outdated on arrival.

>>106176185
People outside if the west often don't have a choice in a job, its either be a slave or be homeless and starving and management knows this.
Actually not really exclusive to plants but is just how fucked it is in those countries.

US plants are infinitely better

>>106176246
Don't forget killing the chips act that was made specifically to fund semiconductor manufacturing

>>106176265
>american companies that already build ships in america
With government contracts. These aren't independent companies in the same way that companies selling products directly to Americans are.

>>106176304
>subsidize them so they can be competitive internationally
What do you think the tariff exemptions are? They can sell their product cheaper (no tariffs) if they start investing in US manufacturing. That's literally the same effects as subsidies, except the tariffs also put pressure on other countries to start getting rid of their existing tariffs and accept favorable trade deals with the US. Dumb fucks keep trying to shit on them because orange retard bad, but historically tariffs have been very powerful in promoting local manufacturing. Just look at what happened with Japan and their wristwatch economy when they started putting huge tariffs on watches (creating Seiko, Citizen, Casio as a result).

>>106171327
>genetic fallacy
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Genetic-Fallacy

>>106176415
What the fuck are you talking about? We are talking about shipbuilding. American companies building american ships in america. Not companies owned by the government or foreigners or outsourcing manufacturing somewhere else.

>>106176415
>What do you think the tariff exemptions are?
Corruption, plain and simple. Forcing smaller competition to pay heavy taxes that they are exempt from.

>getting rid of their existing tariffs a
What existing tariffs? Trade imbalances are not de facto evidence that other countries are placing barriers or tariffs. It just means that Vietnam sells a lot of sneakers to the US, but can't afford a lot of Honeywell turbines or fancy MRI machines. It's not Europe or Japan's fault that GM wants to make truggs and crossovers that are inconvenient for narrow streets and country roads.

>Just look at what happened with Japan and their wristwatch economy when they started putting huge tariffs on watches (creating Seiko, Citizen, Casio as a result).
The key factor was domestic subsidies like packet guidance giving money and favorable interest rates. This assumes you aren't just making up the trade policy of Japan 60 years ago to sanewash Trump's bad policies.

>>106170054
about 15% less than China
which exports everything
so it's gotta be something

>>106176462
>shipbuilding. American companies building american ships in america. Not companies owned by the government or foreigners or outsourcing manufacturing somewhere else
You literally fucking said the shipbuilding companies that had government contracts to build ships. It's fucking obvious they don't have the same level of accountability as companies producing goods for American citizens.

>>106173330
Right, or they just wait out the 3-something years Trumpy has left and attempt to stall and delay in the meantime, or get exceptions and exemptions for themselves while ultimately building nothing.

>>106176619
They can only get government contracts because they're too shit to get anything else.

>>106176514
If a "small company" exists by purchasing items from China and then selling them to Americans, it's a Chinese company. Good riddance if those all go away.
>What existing tariffs
10% tariffs on American cars, vs 2.5% on European cars coming into America
5% on American whiskey
I'm not talking about a trade deficit, but actual tariffs. That's not even getting into issues like government-backed monopolies like Samsung "competing" with American companies, or other countries' government-subsidized goods selling in American markets.

>>106176185
Foxconn work is pretty easy and somewhat comfortable. You're sitting on your ass in an air-conditioned factory. It's just completely mind-numbing and they did kept those people as basically slaves with in-house dormitories and they would wake up workers at 4am during production spikes to work 14 hours a day.
In general, most factory work is just plain boring and nobody really wants it except politicians who dream of having union bosses behind them.

>>106176664
>make it more expensive to buy what you need to make things
>this is a good thing

>>106176796
>create an incentive to manufacture locally
>this is somehow a bad thing

>>106176823
Except that stopped being possible after you made it too expensive to do so.

>>106176841
If it's "too expensive" not to use slave labor in other countries then maybe those items should be more expensive? Or we can legalize slavery again and produce it cheap here, I guess that would also work.

>>106174409
Youtube-Influencer

>>106176978
>slave labor
Not this bullshit again.

>>106176990
To be fair, this is highly class-coded. The UMC largely aspire to strivercore highly paid W-2 jobs.

The streamer-influencer aspirations seem to be more coded for downwardly mobile white people. It's like "aspiring rapper" - which in practice means unemployed, black. "Aspiring streamer/podcaster" usually just means unemployed, white.

>>106169035
Computers being cheap is a bad thing. Humans were much happier when they had nothing and didn’t have their brains rotted by iPhones. Trump making life cost more and work hours longer is the best thing anyone could do for this country.

>>106177000
>buying shit that uses metals from Africa isn't supporting slave labor
Anyways, globalization has been a fucking disaster for the average American. The momentum they've been riding is starting to run out, and if it's not possible to have manufacturing then it's going to be a very rough drop.

>>106177118
>globalization has been a fucking disaster for the average American
No, it hasn't. It's been a disaster for a small set of narcissistic midwesterners who thought their union gangsters would be the cock of the walk forever.

Sorry, if you're trapped in Death of the Soul, Ohio; it's probably your own fault for being too stupid or lazy to move to the sunbelt where manufacturing was booming until Trump decided to tariff their inputs for spurious reasons.

>>106177186
US debt is out of control and we don't produce anything except for useless social media and advertising technology. If you don't think this is going to end badly then you're delusional. China has taken over most of the global trade, and when they decide that we're not worth the trouble they'll just stop selling shit to us and we'll be completely fucked.

>>106177064
>Trump making life cost more
Interesting. What did you think of grocery prices going like 4x under Biden, and then the price immediately stagnating or getting better as soon as he was gone?

>>106177290
That was also a good thing. The country is moving in the right direction.

>>106169035
Socialism is good if God Emperor Trump says so

>>106171090
If anything, prices for the rest of the world will go down as US sales plummet

>>106176823
>being retarded is a good thing

>>106177225
>US debt is out of control
Thanks Donald, thanks Dubya.

>we don't produce anything except for useless social media and advertising technology
This was not true. Stop listening to bullshitters on rw twitter.

>>106177290
>>the price immediately stagnating or getting better as soon as he was gone?
>the price staying just as high
>or getting better (for the shareholders)
Coffee, even the cheap stuff, just in the past month has gone from $6 for an 11 ounce can to $9 for the same thing. Everything else in grocery has either stayed biden-high or gotten even more expensive. What's happened to everything else? Oh right, it either stayed just as high as before, or got more expensive. Even rent and utilities have gone up. Guess what hasn't gone up? Wages. Stop slurping up propaganda. Go outside and look at reality.

>>106170196
Their business model is not going to break until the AI bubble bursts.
>You get the scraps off the floor
>AI gets the good shit

>be me
>work for microsoft
>manager keeps pushing fucking AI. everything I do, "ask claude to do it"

fuck man i hate this shit. at least my comp is good

>>106177225
>debt is out of control
>creates significantly more debt with new bill
masterful gambit

>>106177225
Before jumping on board with pushing extreme solutions, maybe learn a bit more about economics, the US's place in the world, and the stuff we very much do produce. Learn what a service economy is and understand that services are not without value, and that, in fact, the value created by services can outweigh the value of good manufacturing.
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-does-the-us-produce/

Also learn about Comparative Advantage, I feel that way too many conservative-leaning individuals seem to have lost sight of this classic economic principles, which incidentally used to be the backbone of conservative economics:
https://www.cato.org/publications/comparative-advantage

We don't benefit from this shit Trump is doing at all. He is making us poorer.

>>106181352
The so called service economy abandoned a litany of workers.
>We don't benefit from this shit Trump is doing at all. He is making us poorer.
Should have thought about that before shipping everything overseas and importing infinite immigrants to smash wages for unskilled workers.
People don't give a fuck about US wealth regardless of where it comes from if they aren't included.

>>106181451
and yet trump is doing nothing to stop H1B's from taking high-salary jobs, in fact he let musk chimp out over it and influence his decision.
>we don't have enough high-skill workers! We NEED h1b's to fill the gaps
>also lets fucking gut education

>>106181479
I never mentioned high skill, only unskilled.
Your mask is slipping if you believe a good life should only be afforded to those deemed "high skill"

>>106181451
I don't believe that at all, but I don't see how closing the doors to class mobility helps anyone.

>>106181530
tired, meant>>106181508

>>106181530
You don't need class mobility
Just stop taking away people's class for the sake of corporate profits.
You outsourced everything, you opened the border, but this is supposed to be a good thing because the mega-wealthy get more wealthy and a select few in the corporate structure has access to more restaurants and house maids.
Fuck everyone else who isn't in a corporate office or fed

If you believed in the economy as it was for the last decade, your are completely at fault for what's happening now.
You stabbed people in the back so some more of you can sit sending emails.

>>106181631
it seems like we're in agreement, I don't understand your contention. H1B visas fuck american workers over just like corporations hiring illegal workers does.

Tariffs wouldn't solve that, it just raises the cost of living for the people who are already suffering, meanwhile trump gets to make a bunch of backdoor deals that benefit him personally.

>>106169035
Just stop being poor lmao

>>106181705
I'm not in agreement.
You believe the ticket to have access to US wealth is corporate jobs. H1Bs threaten that.
What I'm saying is you took away people's access to wealth when transitioning from manufacturing.
Trump doesn't give a fuck about H1Bs, they only threaten people who aren't his voters, but we are supposed to feel bad about that for some reason.

>>106182089
how does increasing the cost of living through tariffs help

>>106182089
>>106182206
also no, I don't believe that.

>>106181352
>(((service economy)))
>(((renting and leasing)))
woooowie, how much of that shit do other countries pay for, or are they all just things that fuck over American citizens?

>>106182512
anon, you americans are worse than jews considering the high prices, high margins and usury out of the ass you faggots charge for everything

>>106168297 (OP)
>>106169035
Nah, companies investing in US would be spared. So any company that wants to build factories, data centers, will be spared. American jobs, American money.

>>106182867
they're just gonna wait for this party to cannibalize itself before greasing the palms of the next administration. Why would any company stake a long term bet on such an insanely volatile market instead of investing into emerging markets?

>>106182867
It's energy prices retard, that's the only fucking thing that really matters. China is allowed to keep building coal plants in ever increasing numbers, the Paris accords explicitly permit it. China is also the top importer of coal... There's no sign that any of this will change, meanwhile in every single Western nation energy prices are skyrocketing. The West has been intentionally de-industrialized, there is no chance whatsoever that can be reversed in 4 years. And there's no chance Trump or anyone near him even wants to, and the closest he will come is forcing his bullshit carbon capture scam on anyone who wants to use coal or natural gas in the US. Only those people who pay him off will be allowed to use cheap and abundant fuel sources. Trump is the bull in a china shop, he's there to create chaos to facilitate further wealth transfer out of the US. He's finishing what he started with the covid economic disaster, which up to now was the largest transfer of wealth in human history. The middle class won't survive the decade.

It's kinda funny that none of the lawmakers, least of all Trump, will be stuck in a factory working on semiconductors in their dream utopia.

>>106183049
Trump is fucking with energy prices by cancelling contracts for wind/solar farms, which is stupid.

>>106171899
>It's hilarious when people keep saying tariffs are bad, but they can never explain why countries have existing tariffs on America and are implementing retaliatory tariffs.
Because Trump said that trade deficits are tariffs. The percentages on that chart are all wrong because they are not tariffs.

>>106168297 (OP)
oh yeaah well im putting a 100% tarrif on your posts! haha now all your posts belong to me(such is my understanding)

letting foreign countries and international corpos rape Americans cost more than tariffs do

>>106185120
>China is raping Americans by making products for $2 instead of $200

>>106168297 (OP)
you would think it's a massive win for intel
but the. he also urged the intel ceo to quit

>>106170232
They're definitely showing the rest of the world the virtues of being a democracy not the USA.

>>106168297 (OP)
Based

>>106181451
>service economy abandoned a litany of workers.
It mostly didn't. I'm sorry. This narcissistic attitude that describes a handful of losers isn't generally applicable. Especially when you can't actually find an inflection point on muh sacred manufacturing busywork employment, not from the oil crisis, not from NAFTA, not from China joining the WTO. It's a smooth, steady downward trend without any inflection point around some policy.

The cost of living crisis is literally just immigration. It's not some conspiracy where Jews cackle evilly and force wiggers to get so high they forget to send in a job application to the BMW factory in SC.

>>106177529
If I became world leader, commander in chief of earth and the human race.
You'd best believe I'd be sanctioning nations on an hourly basis for imagined sleights.

I go for a walk and a Puerto Rican doesn't hold the door open for me because they were overthinking something. Doesn't matter. Nobody buys from Puerto Rico for a week.
A Frenchman on a messenger bike splashes me with a puddle? You'd better believe that's a sanctioning. The Puerto Rican offers me a towel and praises me? Well, I do like a bit of praise, no sanctions for Puerto Rico for 3 months.
I see that Puerto Rican talking with the Vietnamese dude I think gives me the stink eye? Light sanctions on Puerto Rico.

It would be chaos, but consider how walkable the cities would be after France started to bring back the guillotine just for cyclists.

>>106174396
The graph just shows that people are fed up with your kind.
You can't fucking shut up about your self-inflicted wound even for a second and makes it everyone else problem in every space.

>>106175481
>The USA doesn't have any chip fabs
Funny when I open the fab list at work, 90% of them are in the USA, especially the ones doing GaAs

>>106171756
It incentivizes companies to shift their production elsewhere... when done properly.

american people voted for this

>>106168297 (OP)
everything Trump does is based

>>106169035
I too am upset with tech companies' treating americans as paypigs to sustain 60% margins, while subsidizing shitholes like africa and india where they hemorrhage money.

>>106175481
>doesn't have ANY manufacturing for electronics anymore
Horseshit
https://www.foxconnwiofficial.com/
https://nashvillechamber.com/investors/quanta-manufacturing-nashville/

>>106170054
Oil and food mainly, but there's loads of other stuff the US exports in smaller numbers. Basically everything that's made in China is also made here, just in smaller quantities and for a higher price.

>>106168297 (OP)
It would make a lot of sense.
That shit is too important nowaday to be offsourced.
Any country -worth its nuke arsenal- should have its own electronic manufacture.
Trust is key in cybersecurity, and you simply cannot trust any foreign products anymore.

>>106190332
>tries to pull out two gotchas
>both are overseas firms
I'll tell you huwat, the them there brits, africans, french they sent to the new world them wasn't the brightest folks were they?

>>106191275
To say there is ZERO electronics manufacturing in the US is a lie tho
I only pulled these to because it's what's on our crates and pallets at Google, Foxconn and Quanta machines come in with Made in USA on the COO

>>106168297 (OP)
>and semiconductors
Even LEDs?

>>106169098
He's already exempted TSMC, the only company on Earth making anything of worth for computing

>>106191527
TSMC is exempt because they have fabs in the USA, the intention of the tariffs from the beginning was to discourage business from firms with no inside US investment.

>>106171592
Today we'll see it.

>>106168297 (OP)
He's only saying it so he can lower the tariffs later and act like a the big shot deal maker of the white house.

Big firefighter who's secretly an arsonist vibes coming off Trump. He's so desperate to look good he would burn the place down if he could also put out the fire he started.

>>106169146
holy based

The problem with tariffs is that it won't make American products better. You aren't saving a lot of money on an airliner regardless of whether you buy Boeing, Airbus, or even Ilyushin or Embraer. The problem is that the products themselves are unattractive. Third world elites are buying Mercedes, not Cadillac; and price isn't the key factor.

>>106168297 (OP)
enjoy becoming brazil lol

>>106168297 (OP)
>holy based
MIGA cultists are very stupid people

>>106193028
>price isn't the key factor
I mean, iphones might go up some 50% or more if they were produced 100% in the US. MAYBE americans would buy them, but the rest of the world? I doubt it.

>>106171899
It's bad because I can't buy cheap chinkshit without getting raped by customs.

>>106169044
Imagine if we didn't stick our dick in WW2 and let the jews vanish

>>106168297 (OP)
Good, hope it fucks over nvidia and the gpu manufactures the most.
That is what you get for being chink'd

I'm convinced this is about war. A country that can't manufacture physical things will lose to one that can, even if the first has technology twice as good. I saw a report a few months ago saying that Russia alone was producing more munitions than all NATO countries combined. China's shipbuilding capacity is literally between 100 and 200 times ours. Even if our ships are 50 times better, we would still lose by half.

>>106174427
>losing

He won 3 times, soon to be 4

>>106174377
A 100% tariff on semiconductors doesn't just target junk people buy...

>>106197641
If this is about war, these tariffs won't do anything to bring manufacturing back. It would require a planned economy.