Thread 106168550

https://grell.dev/blog/ai_rejection
Even before LLMs, anyone using MIT, BSD, or other cuck licenses was OK with getting exploited.
After? You're practically begging for it.
And notice how heavily the Rust community pushes MIT, especially for its
>rewrite ___ in Rust!
campaigns, to the point where it's the default license, supposedly because the Rust toolchain is so shitty thart it makes dynamic linking (and by extension, the LGPL) a non-starter.

>>106168550 (OP)
tl;dr what does it say?

>>106168561
Made a library
Library got used in Claude
Claude developers put out applications for a job that would involve that library quite heavily
Applies
Gets rejected
Concludes that at least he's now safe from Roko's Basilisk

I always figured the MPL would be good for having coplyleft code while still letting people use it in proprietary projects. Should work with Rust's linking situation, right?

>>106168550 (OP)
i've noticed a long time ago most rust projects were using cuck licenses and actively avoiding GPL and chalked it to them being pro-corporation like most trannies in tech but it seems it's biting them in the ass

Kek
Cuck license fags BTFO!

>>106168550 (OP)
>rewrite ___ in Rust!
The rewrite meme is there because this clow language doesn't play well with C libraries so instead of fixing this they prefer to rewrite thousands of lines even do they work properly.

>>106168550 (OP)
Well he acts like it's some Senior Level Engineer that personally rejected him, it was an HR cunt or Indian that did in reality.

Many such cases.

>>106168884
this kek. the market is so ruined by hr stacies it's insane.

>>106168884
Correct he's a moron.
>company uses your thing
>company is making another thing with your thing
If you want to get hired in this gay industry you need to suck and fuck people on twitter not just send a resume to a jeet.
What a tard.

>>106168724
They must get something in return, maybe just easier access to drugs (especially amphetamines), which they're notorious for abusing.

>>106168706
MPLv2 is a popular(ish) license indeed. But really, all popular licenses are represented in "crates.io" including all GPL ones and even the EUPL.
but MIT and/or Apache do dominate when it comes to the (raw) numbers of published crates. But that's more of a generational trend that extends beyond rust. /g/eets are too retarded to understand such things of course.
Doing a shallow raw analysis without taking into account crate impact (popularity/use in the ecosystem), here are the number of crates which their current default_version has "MPL" or "GPL" or "EUPL" in its license (filtered for >10 entries):
MPL-2.0: 4108
GPL-3.0: 4061
GPL-3.0-or-later: 2737
GPL-3.0-only: 1714
AGPL-3.0-or-later: 1223
AGPL-3.0: 1005
AGPL-3.0-only: 777
LGPL-3.0: 452
LGPL-3.0-or-later: 422
GPL-2.0: 394
EUPL-1.2: 340
GPL-2.0-or-later: 312
GPL-2.0-only: 262
GPL-3.0+: 244
LGPL-3.0-only: 219
LGPL-2.1: 201
GPL-3.0-or-later WITH Classpath-exception-2.0: 178
LGPL-2.1-or-later: 101
LGPL-3.0+: 80
GPL-2.0+: 74
AGPL-3.0+: 62
GPL-3.0-or-later OR Apache-2.0 OR MulanPSL-2.0: 53
LGPL-2.1-only: 51
LGPL-2.0-or-later: 45
MPL-2.0+: 42
GPL-2.0-or-later WITH Bison-exception-2.2: 28
Apache-2.0 OR GPL-3.0: 28
MPL-2.0 OR MIT OR Apache-2.0: 23
LGPL-2.1+: 23
Apache-2.0 OR LGPL-2.1-or-later: 22
GPL-3.0-only OR LicenseRef-Slint-Royalty-free-2.0 OR LicenseRef-Slint-Software-3.0: 20
Apache-2.0 OR MPL-2.0: 19
MPL-2.0 OR GPL-3.0-only: 18
MPL-2.0-no-copyleft-exception: 15
GPL-3.0-or-later: 15
MIT OR GPL-3.0-or-later: 14
MIT OR Apache-2.0 OR GPL-2.0 OR GPL-3.0: 14
MIT OR GPL-3.0: 13
(GPL-3.0-only OR LicenseRef-SixtyFPS-commercial): 13
MPL-2.0 OR LGPL-2.1-or-later: 11
LGPL-3.0-or-later OR MPL-2.0: 11
LGPL-2.0-only: 11
LGPL-2.0: 11
AGPL-3.0-or-later OR EUPL-1.2: 11

but overall, you have 153172 with MIT or Apache as a part of the license field, vs. 19989 with GPL or MPL or EUPL in its name.
(based on crates.io dump from 2025.07.31, raw means i didn't even touch white space errors from crate authors)

>>106168593
Why would he think they would hire him? Maybe he's not qualified and there were more talented applicants.

>>106169709
He was apparently good enough for them to use his code in a product though.
>>106168884
True

>>106168593
>>106168550 (OP)
First up
They could have used any library
Just cause they used his doesn't mean shit

Second
Anthropic has actual character and ethics tests that most people can't pass

>>106169797
>Anthropic has actual character and ethics tests that most people can't pass
lmao, they will lose ai race so hard

>>106169918
that's fine
they are betting on making a safe agi to kill unsafe agi's
and no i am not joking about that

>>106169951
they are betting on making a crippled agi to win with non crippled agi's
they gonna lose 100%

>>106169951
also you might wanna read up on how virtue signalling is mark of narcissist psychopaths

>>106169992
i don't support them
i support grok 5 turning us all into rocket fuel

>>106170042
why don't they just add a part to the license saying you have to hire me
problem solved

GPL would not have got him hired, he'd be in the same predicament.

>>106170066
>if you use this library in commercial product you have to hire me
kek

>>106168550 (OP)
kek people really thought being an open source cuck would get them a job lmao

>>106168593
if he's willing to give up his work for free, why pay him?

>>106168550 (OP)
why do people think that licences will do shit? In most jurisdictions breaking the terms of a license is not a criminal offence on its own, so you would have to file a civil lawsuit against the deal breaker, and in this case corporations who can afford the best possible lawyers that will appeal as long as they want will always win. Cases when open sauce devs won exist solely because some companies decided that complying will be better solution than taking things to the court, but if they really wanted to keep using copylefted code, you wouldnt do much. Github Copilot is the best example of that.

>>106168550 (OP)
This is why you should use AGPL+NIGGER.

many such cases!

/g/pl chads keep winning

>>106171288
I don't get why people don't just automatically adopt GPL as the default for many projects. MIT, BSD, etc. just allows a company to take your work and redistribute it without needing to share the source code or give you credit for YOUR hard work.

>>106171350
because nobody is going to use your gpl licensed library

>>106171350
Most people are cattle. Simple as.

>>106168593
How does this get solved by GPL? Are you suggesting GPL would force the company hire this person so they could write a proprietary clone of their own software? That doesn't sound free, efficient, or heterosexual at all

>>106171350
Just dont share code with anyone unless if you are already rich

>>106171350
>>106171392
this
>make it gpl
>literally no one can use it since your code is now a virus

>>106168882
You know if there is one good thing you can say about ziggers, annoying unnecessary cmake replacement aside, at least all their shit is compatible with C libraries.

>>106169951
>they are betting on making a safe agi to kill unsafe agi's
You realize the (((alignment))) process basically lobotomizes and makes them completely retarded right?
>a man and a woman
>>NO, BAD AI, THERE ARE MILLIONS OF GENDERS!!! LOGIC IS RACIST AND TRANSPHOBIC!!!
Enjoy your "safe" AI that will nuke the planet to stop one person from potentially saying the nigger word.

>>106171047
While this is hilarious, this is probably just an employee donation match thing.

>>106171831
If you're using it as a software engineering tool what difference does it make if it's slightly more difficult to trick into saying the nigger word?

>>106171683
Yeah that's why you dual license. Anyone can use your stuff and if they want better terms they can pay up.

Anthropic is a company ran and largely staffed by (AI) doomers, meaning a very specific breed of cultists. Their particular subsect is not as bad as those near Yud, but it's not that far either.
They are incredibly strongly against open source as well, except in very shallow ways (such as what OP did).
I don't see why that poster thinks he would get a job there without passing their purity tests lmao.
They'll probably lose the race, even though Claude is alright as a LLM.

your code should be closed source. yes, even your kiddy fizzbuzz shit. if you really want to release something for whatever reason use AGPL + nigger license

>>106170066
>>106170099
This would actually be based

>>106172030
>largely staffed by (AI) doomers
Not of the LessWrong/SlateStarCodex type, I hope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrzQrcZlt9s

>>106172933
Kind of, LW hates them for advancing AI, but also likes them a bit for releasing ``safety'' papers.
Anthropic basically was the more "safety" concerned people that left OpenAI a long time ago. By modern doomer (LW) standards, Anthropic is accelerationist, but by literally everyone lab' out there, Anthropic is most concerned about by things LW cares about. So you could say Anthropic is made by people that would want to build AGI first while still believing in LW lore because they think they would"do it right", LW may hate them because muh advancing the field. Meanwhile Anthropic never releases papers to help the field improve, because they do believe LW philosophy, they just leech from the public and do their own internal research.
As far as their doomer related work goes, the "safety" stuff is often slop and roleplaying, but the interpretability work is probably one of the better ones in the field .

Of course they're still cultists and you shouldn't want to work there, they do aspire to run their company in a way that compartmentalizes internal information heavily due to being such doomers that even their own employees mustn't know the full story of how their GPT was baked - similar to how a spy agency would be run, or well, a cult!. It's crazy and I don't see why anyone that isn't part of that "rationalist" cult would want to work there, maybe unless they get a very very large sallary.

Fora laugh look at: https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106163327/#106163539

Claude is a cloud service, so MIT or GPL doesn't make any difference.
They only use the software on their own computers and don't redistribute them.

It's absolutely retarded to push GPL instead of AGPL in current day.
It only gives proprietary cloud services an advantage over proprietary local running software.

>>106170828
>t. 4chaneet

>>106171999
>what difference does it make if it's slightly more difficult to trick into saying the nigger word
The scores for any task go way down. OpenAI themselves released a paper about it. It doesn't matter if it can say nigger or not, it matters if the fucking reasoning capabilities go down the toilet. A safety-aligned model will ALWAYS perform worse than before the alignment.

>>106175733
If this is the case then why does claude do such a better job at writing software than chatgpt or deepseek? I haven't tried the other models yet but the difference is night and day.

>>106168550 (OP)
>release technology with permissive licensing so others can use it
>others use it
Framing this as "exploitation" is idiotic and you are an idiot. All that would have happened if he put it under AGPLv3 or whatever other unworkable license you are pushing is that nobody would be using the code.

>>106175904
It's better, simple as that. It would be even better if it didn't have all the safety alignment. The fact is they're going to be competing at a disadvantage. If they can still create a better model then that's an impressive feat.

>>106168550 (OP)
This word salad is completely meaningless, just random venting about opinions you adopted.

>>106176080
Is there a model I should try that's as good as claude but also says the nigger word? I will definitely switch if there is.

>>106177497
Maybe not, but if you don't need it to say the nigger word or not report you to the FBI for falsifying clinical test data then you should use whatever works best (unless you have some kind of moral issue with using safety-tuned models).

>>106177581
I'm only using it to help with a publicly available decomp project so it don't matta. Nunnadis mattas.

>>106168550 (OP)
cucklicensesisters… not like this…

>>106171047
Kek'd

>>106168550 (OP)
>he fell for the cuck license meme

>>106170066
>>106170099
>"hires" dev at one (1) hour of minimum wage per year.

>>106168550 (OP)
rust doesn't do dynamic linking by design, retard

>>106168550 (OP)
Hey, you think that's bad? I gave a child life and within 13 years, it rejected me. Apparently, I'm a dork and not cool to be around now.

>>106170977
/threaded
At least use agpl when you work for free
>>106171350
Corporations have cultivated community full of faggots and bootlitkers whose only friends are said corporations, they pray to their corpo gods for some gibs every time they release something that's MIT/BSD licensed.
FOSSfags have become what the hated the most.

>>106171836
>this is probably just an employee donation match thing
that's actually more hilarious

>>106168593
@grok can i get a quick qrd

>>106171392
>because nobody is going to use your gpl licensed library
in reality, they will and they will even pay you for it to dual license it
many such cases in the wild
some examples: Qt, JUCE and rubberband

>>106169797
>>106169951
ahahahahahahahahahahahaahah

>>106171350
because we already have a job