>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues still reported; update BIOS before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high-end: consider 2x48GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>106123743 (Cross-thread)

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>106168046

Is there a compelling reason to pay considerably more for a lower CL rating?

should i be concerned about pcie lanes? im only using the igpu. ive read it has 20 lanes, 16 for the gpu and 4 for nvme or whatever, as you can see... i have more than one storage, not sure if no gpu is plugged in that those 16 would be distributed to other storage

So Asrock B550M-HDV in the bios supports ryzen 1600 af 2300x etc by cpuid.
But i has a question wich gpu pcie speeds will be? 3.0 or 4.0

>>106173526
3400ge? it has 8 lanes for vega graphics and 8 lanes for dedicated gpu and 4 lanes for storage.
if you add another storage it will be like x4 for dedicated gpu im right pcbg?

>>106173536
3.0

>>106173526
btw:
sata: 1tb, 120gb
nvme: 2x 256gb
small pcie-slot: wifi card

>>106173526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zBkmrYpEx8
>>106173620
Is this build in cpu? Controller limitation?

>>106173509
only if it means avoiding shitty micron bin kits

>>106173667
zen and zen+ only support pcie 3.0
if you're not doing multi-gpu it doesn't really matter even for a 4090

>>106173667
ok, thanks. so not a problem.

>>106173509
6000cl36 = micron g die (ok but slow) or Samsung b die (unstable garbage)
6000cl30 = Hynix m die or hynix a die, both of which are fast and stable

>ayymd drivers crash again
>turn off anti-lag
>stops crashing
Okay, that's the second game in a row where I had to do this. Should I just keep this shit off?

>>106173509
i dunno how much that converts to usd but do not overpay for hynix memory just buy from different brand/store if its more than $100.

>>106173509
>>106173741
also 6000cl32 is low binned hynix m/a-die

>>106173679
>>106173741
>>106173784
>>106173800
Thanks. Also, what's the verdict on the following kit?

>>106173780
Works on my machine.
All Anti Lag 1 does is enable MaxFrameLatency = 1. If your system is crashing from that it means your CPU is unstable.

>>106173852
the verdict is why do you need 96gb

>>106173862
I end up using quite a lot with my browsing habits and Youtube often taking more than a gig of ram per tab.

>>106173852
I have that kit in a maximus dark hero for a little over a year now and have had no issues just had to xmp1 to get 6000mhz.
Works great with my ai video slop gens

>>106173852
looks like micron g-die becaues of the 44 tick trcd and trp
its not the fastest but should be fairly stable

what's a decent external hdd? i dont need anything big. 1tb is fine. seagate has a ton of theirs here. will anything do as long as it is from a known brand? i wont be backing up often, only once a month.
t. got a bunch of movies and flac files to store

>>106173977
also we got WD elements too, if that's a good one desu

>>106173977
1TB HDD is a waste of money
get an SSD or go for at least 8

>>106173988
SSD's do not last as long as HDD's. This is for long term storage lah

>>106174020
my samsung is from 2012, use it for OS for 13 years.

>>106174020
theres nothing particularly likely to catastrophically fail either since they dont move
ssds became common only like early 2010's and while people trashed their old 128gb drives their 2nd ssd ever bought is probably in working order today

>>106173988
>1TB HDD is a waste of money
>just waste more money and get storage that can lose data just from remaining unpowered
>those speeds tho (that you won't be using most of the time because it's a backup drive)

>>106173853
Actually very helpful I had forgotten I ever OC'd my CPU when I've been thinking I didn't the entire time, never realized it was actually contributing to how unstable anti-lag was thanks

>>106173509
If you are on tight budget yes, 40 bucks is nothing to scoff at for relatively minimal performance loss.
Otherwise no.
>>106173870
How many tabs do you have open? 600? I can have 200 tabs open and it's fine on my 32 gigs. Honestly was fine on my older 16gb pc too.
The ram is probably fine but fucking hell.

>>106174211
Have you not stability test it with y-cruncher, prime95, etc?
Kinda retarded otherwise.

>>106174314
I very much remember Prime95-ing for 2+ hours straight when I built this PC last year so I have no idea why it didn't show signs of instability back when I had a RTX 2060 in it vs. my acquisition of a 9070 XT from last month
All I know now is that things aren't broken anymore, so whatever

>>106173509
Gskill still selling 30-36-36-96 kits when Corsair offers them binned at 30-36-36-76

Lmao

>>106174553
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS_NeTwjOvY
tras has zero impact on performance on ryzen

>>106174337
>Prime95-ing for 2+ hours straight
That's not long enough, you need to test it overnight at the very least to confirm it's stable under sustained maximum heat loads.

But you also need to test the CPU stability under maximum single-threaded workloads. Linpack/IntelBurnTest, OCCT, or Core Cycler offer simple single-threaded tests

how long until am6?

>>106174770
probably close to 3 years

>>106174770
18+ months

>>106174779
>2-3 years till am6 releases
>another 1-2 years for it to mature
Eh...

>>106174770
no point thinking about am6 yet when am5 still has one more generation that's launching in 18 months

>>106174770
playstation 6

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Dropping-16x-MSAA

NVIDIA WON

INTEL LOST

>>106174819
2x msaa at 4k is 8k
anything more is just retarded

>>106174819
you're gonna use shitty ai upscalers and you're gonna be happy with it

>>106174916
xess is actually pretty good now.

What can I do to upgrade a laptop? I have an old Dell inspiron 5565 that I want to get working. For general use not necessarily gaming, but I want it to run good.

I hate that I need to check different manufacturers/termals/gpu size which is different for every fucking model just to play some videa

>>106174553
>>106174561
on intel tRAS determines tRC
on AMD with EXPO it might or might not determine tRC (it's supposed to, but the motherboard might just set it loose as hell for compatibility)
but tRAS/tRC isn't a timing you bin on hynix, it can go really low regardless of how shit your other primaries are

>>106175107
why do you need to check those things

>>106175286
Because I am a retard with a case that allows only 300mm GPU, and the smaller the card the hotter it gets, and I have a paranoia that if I pick a cheaper smaller card with worse terms it will fuck up my setup.

And if I change the case I might not have a space to put it on the desk, and where would I put the old case?

>Randomly scroll through gpus
>Find a brand new 5070 for $100 under MSRP
Well I was going to buy a 9070 XT... but I guess I'm getting a 5070 now

>>106175334
sounds tough
I'd buy regular atx case and place it on the floor

old cases go in the trash usually.

>>106175354
But anon, I have my first pc on the floor already, that is used to handle personal information and documents that I am not comfortable to share a system with all the malware "anti-cheats" with

>>106175372
wouldnt like a laptop with the usual corporate security features or a minipc make more sense for that stuff

I need a new M2 Pcie4 SSD that has DRAM, any recommendations? I don't want to give my money to Samsung or Western Digital.

This is why the OPs with 14400F & 14600K in the CPU recommendations were fine.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html

>>106175452
AMD troons can't handle that Intel is the better value now

>>106175477
There's no need to tell everyone that you a big nose.

Included CPU value based on single-thread performance, which is important for gayming.
Removes ancient cores like the ones in Ryzen 5500 & 4500.

>>106175477
>better value
Just stop being poor

>>106175666
Some people want to get the most out of their spending.
That's a common attraction for buying AMD Radeon cards.

Luv me 9800x3d, simple as

>>106175720
>saying AMD bros unironically
>Nviditemptation
probably underaged desu

>>106175409
Kingston KC3000, Crucial P5 or its newer equivalent.

Another nvidia driver bites the dust...

>>106175973
Maybe that guy should use the latest version or roll back to 566.36 on his 1080 ti.

>>106175973
Game issue, DX error happening on Polaris and Vega cards.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/1mho5gi/bf6_open_beta_driver_error_fix/

Microcenter is starting to discount some models of the 5000 RTX and 9000RX

>>106176154
That's nice. Too bad I don't live near one.

got the 9070 XT
samsung memory

works fine on 650W corsair psu lmao

>>106176171
i have hynix, highest i've seen is 92 C
that's still pretty hot but i see your fan isn't ramping up

>>106176171
which brand and model?

>>106175352
It's still not worth it, probably the most useless product ever released. Unless you mean the ti, then go for it

>>106176260
Previous pic was on "efficiency" setting in driver
Re-ran it on defaults, fan went up to 1150rpm but temps are the same. Very quiet for a 2.5 slot card
Will post results after the undervolting later
>>106176282
powercolor hellhound

Why are fans now drawing triple the power as ones from 10 years ago?

>>106176406
The newer fan is capable of higher rpm which means more airflow.

>>106176405
>Will post results after the undervolting later
based
i started crashing quickly at ~150mv
i did some quick tests at 100mv and it seems solid but i need to do more extensive testing before i daily that
adjusting the clock limit is not worth it on these cards, you will never reach it in any realistic scenario

>>106176466
Reminder that Adrenaline lets you set OC/UV profiles per app. Different apps stress differently. For example Unreal games don't like UV as much so you can set it slightly higher for them while keeping everything else low.

>>106176405
>powercolor hellhound
It's a good card. GN said PowerColor undertuned the Red Devil's stock fan curve, given it was running very quietly.
They've probably done the same for the Hellhound. I think a quieter stock fan curve is better in general.

>>106176406
LCP fans are heavier and require a stronger motor.

>>106176529
that seems like a terrible idea to me
it's like people who overclock CPUs but ignore prime95 and y-cruncher because it's "not a realistic workload"
i'd rather just run a worse UV than have per-app profiles that might or might not continue to work next week after a game/driver update

alright me again >>106147795

yesterday it crashed and when booting back up again, displays didn't work but i could remote desktop in. looked at device manager and saw the gpu reporting error 43.
today i tried unplugging my 1080p side monitor and moving the PC to another wall socket. managed to play for 4-5 hours tonight no problem, then it crashed maybe 5 minutes after closing the game, and it's crashed a further three times just trying to make this post
on second thought, it doesn't make sense for it to be power related since it's happening at idle and only started recently. so i think i'm just gonna bite the bullet and order a new gpu and rma this one

>>106176557
???????????????

its exactly how curve shaper works on 9800x3d.

not every single app is -30 all core or even -10 all core stable

>>106174155
10 tb is $110

>>106176587
tuning different parts of the V/F curve isn't the same concept as tuning for different apps
you SHOULD be using a variable load when undervolting to test different parts of the V/F curve (OCCT can do this for the GPU)
how does it do at 3100 MHz, 3000 MHz, 2900 MHz, etc?

what if a game gets a driver update that improves performance by 10% and now you crash because it's putting a heavier load on the GPU? terrible idea, avoid unless you want to adjust settings every month or every time a new game comes out

>>106176557
Yeah it's all cope that happens when they realize they got sold a c-tier bin with no overclock/undervolt headroom

>>106176648
>tfw i can do -200mv in minesweeper
THANK YOU AMD

>>106176646
>>106176648
You guys are thinking undervolting like Intel/Nvidia when it works completely different on AMD

>>106176648
NTA, but it's more about whether you prefer to set a stricter OC+UV that is stable across a variety of titles or whether you keep looser & more aggressive per-game settings.

>>106176666
no i've undervolted a 5800X and 6800 XT before
AMD isn't special, if anything they're too restrictive because they only allow you to apply a static offset to the V/F curve on radeon
morepowertool was awesome but you can't use it on RDNA4 because AMD hates fun

>>106176646
>>106176696
Nigga you tell it a global curve and then shape it with a manual app override. Just like curve optimizer+curve shaper. The difference is Ryzen gives you granular control of the states whereas Radeon is operates more on a range.

You say 5000/6000 but we're talking about 9000 Ryzen and Radeon, stupid idiot.

>>106176704
this is for different temperatures and frequencies
not one profile for microsoft excel and one for y-cruncher
you're apparently too stupid to understand the difference, curve shaper is *universal*, per-app profiles are not

>>106176719
How do you think AVFS works??????? FOR CPUS AND GPUs.

>>106176666
>works completely different on AMD
Your OC+UV eventually runs into instabilities while stability testing, irrespective of the processor designer.
Whether it's a good idea to allow people to set more aggressive OCs in native rasterized title vs. RT + upscaled game is a matter of preference.
You can keep separate native raster or RT + DLSS OC profiles in Afterburner.

>>106176740
How do you think AVFS works and why do you think the same code applies between IHVs?

>>106176727
how do you think it works? anyway i don't care, i'm not using per-app profiles lmao
enjoy your crashes, i'm sure you will blame the AMD drivers again
>>106176740
having an RT profile can be a decent idea because the RT units are separate parts of the core that are only awake when RT is enabled
a huge waste of time, but at least there's some logic behind it

>>106176759
You say 5000/6000 but we're talking about 9000 Ryzen and Radeon, stupid idiot. Your entire argument is based on ESL context.

>>106176759
You guys are thinking undervolting like Intel/Nvidia when it works completely different on AMD. That's what I said earlier.

Yeah idk what that anon is thinking comparing Nvidia undervolting to AMD undervolting he's stupid like Jay2youtubecentz

>>106176750
You're essentially telling the processor to request less voltage than its factory-fused V/F table is assigned to (undervolt) or you're setting it to operate at a higher boost clock for each V/F point (OC).
The different acronyms used to describe this doesn't matter.

how do you even choose the right mobo?
there are so many and I have to idea what to look for.

>>106176646
>>106176740
Do you guys actually own a 9070xt today? Radeon is stupid good at error recovery with current drivers. They don't crash the game or benchmark or OS anymore like Nvidia they just reset the settings or lag.

>>106176813
>Radeon is stupid good at error recovery with current drivers. They don't crash the game or benchmark
You're saying Radeon is better at clock-stretching and hiding instabilities, that OC/UV needs to be fixed either way.

>>106176813
this is one of our residential schizos isn't it
if you actually read the thread you would've found your answer

Is this based or cringe?
PNY "EPIC-X", flashed another bios. Don't know why gpuz is saying x4
I started with a 9070xt (that I didn't get for msrp) but returned it after I realized I was lied to about the fsr4 situation and everything I play is super Nvidia optimized anyways.
Should posting gpuz or similar be required in this general to filter out people still using a 1080 or 6600?

>>106176880
My 9070XT has Samsung Memory type did I lose?

>check "micro atx case"
>it's bigger than my midi tower with full atx support
I'm confused

>>106176727
>AVFS
This kid thinks Adaptive Voltage Frequency Scaling is some AMD-patented crap lmao.
It's just a marketing acronym for adaptive voltage mode that's been the standard for modern CPUs & GPUs.
https://skatterbencher.com/intel-adaptive-voltage-mode/

>The test program analyzes the factory-fused voltage-frequency curve and determines which points it should test to check for stability quickly.
>It can lock in a specific point – something already present on GPU Boost 3.0 – and run a workload at that particular point.
>NVIDIA explained they go after five specific points on the V/F curve to tune, then interpolate between those points to generate the final V/F curve.
https://skatterbencher.com/nvidia-gpu-boost-4-0/

>>106175751
My 9800x3d gets very hot when playing games but low temperatures when idle ;_;

>>106176827
no retard, he is saying they are better at OC software than that one faggots who works at MSI for free

>>106177020
5070 is the best-selling RTX 50 card, and 12GB VRAM is good enough if you're prioritizing at least 120FPS gameplay.
>Don't know why gpuz is saying x4
It means the GPU is running at Gen 5 x4 lane while in low-power/utilization mode.
Click the question mark next to it and run a short test. The card should be running at Gen 5 x16 mode when it needs to.

>>106177215
>they just reset the settings or lag
So it disables your unstable OC or persists with laggy instabilities.
That OC/UV needs to be fixed either way.

>one faggots who works at MSI for free
He gets paid by MSI, and NVAPI gives people all the tools they need to write up an equivalent, like ASUS & EVGA has done in the past.

Has anything changed in PSU technology in such a way that it would prevent me from using a Corsair RM750x from 2016 in a modern build?

>>106177333
depends what you want to connect to it
if you plan on even a 5080, get a new PSU

>>106177305
it doesn't lag, I don't know what that guy is about
if OC/UV breaks driver resets, that's it, that happens in like 5% of games though from my experience
last time it happened was outlaws before patches for me last year

INNO3D 5060 TI triple fan or do I pay asus tax?

>>106177491
>OC/UV breaks driver resets, that's it
>Display driver resets mid-game without crashing
Someone's lying.

>>106177495
Don't pay ASUS tax for a 5060/Ti.

>>106177495
The ASUS tax is called that precisely because its never worth it.

>>106177579
it is crashing, duh, it doesn't break the system like it used to 10 years back

>>106177650
>it is crashing, duh
So it's no different to NVIDIA's in that respect. Thanks for spotting the retard.
>They don't crash the game or benchmark or OS anymore like Nvidia they just reset the settings or lag.

Is a wifi 7 router worth it over wifi 5? I cant do a cable drop where my office is

>>106178139
It depends on the price, the reliability of that Wifi7 router, and whether your network speed can take advantage of it.

>>106177616
>>106177620
I decided to pick gigabyte eagle
cheapest coolers where a bit too weak imo, but card didn't need to be triple fan
this is probably the best compromise at 5% premium

>>106179159
ugh, i just noticed that it has cut down connector that won't reach the retention lock on the board
there is never a good choice

Talk me out of buying a 5090 please.

>>106179618
If you can afford it and don't have a 1080p monitor you should buy it.

Threadly recitation of the Radeonman's Creed #2
>This is my Radeon. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
>My Radeon is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
>My Radeon, without me, is useless. Without my Radeon, I am useless. I must OC my Radeon high. I must score higher than the nvidiot who is trying to outscore me. I must burn his connector before he burns me. I will...
>My Radeon and I know that what counts in this war is not the benchmarks we run, the noise of our fans, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the score that counts. We will score...
>My Radeon is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its voltages and its clocks. I will keep my Radeon clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...
>Before Lisa, I swear this creed. My Radeon and I are the defenders of AMD. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.
>So be it, until victory is AMD's and there is no enemy, but peace!

I will never use frame gen on singleplayer games that are beautiful, why ruin the visuals for frames?

>>106180015
>why ruin the visuals
It doesn't though as long as your framerate and resolution is high enough.

>>106179659

Ordered a new AM4 board, express delivery for my Ryzen 1600.
Took me a while to decide, sticked with Asrock.
Less cancerous layout than Asus for the microATX board.

Hope its the mobo that is broken and not the PSU.

>>106179618
You can get a 5090S for cheaper that (hopefully) won't slowly roast its connector in the best case scenario.

>>106179618
Just save for RTX 6000 Pro

is A Peerless Assassin 120 enough for a 9800x3d?

>>106180136
Who knows how things will shake out, never been a better time to "buy now think later."
980ti/1080ti made it a decade, 2080ti and 3090 still good mid range competitors, and the 4090/5090 are a tier above those cards even so...
Not like you ever hear from too many buyers with regrets on these things.

>rtx 5060 ti draw less power than 9060 xt
>xt is cooler
explain this atheists

>>106180826
>more heat pipes
>vapor chamber
>heat sink with bigger surface
>better fans

>test my new GPU
>the hotspot hits instantly +90C
>clocks went down
n-no...

The new Trueblack asus oleds are 1299€ for the 165hz and 1367€ for the 240hz according to retailers here - for reference the old LG 4k240 dual mode 240/480 I can buy directly from LG with a few discounts applied for 857€ right now, 50% more just for glossy+asus tax

so while I said qdoled is superior indeed I feel I might need to take the C4 42" pill after much thinking after all, only a few days now
I feel having a larger size and speakers and the general functionality might just be better
or am I insane, idk, we might find out!

https://wccftech.com/raja-koduri-unveils-his-new-gpu-startup-oxmiq-labs/
>Through its flagship software called OXPython, it will allow NVIDIA CUDA applications to run on non-NVIDIA hardware without modifying the code
The bells have begun to toll for jensen. Cuda will be able to run on everything with good performance before the decade is out.

I wanted to see what could be done about my old pc and jesus christ my ram is awful while memory is straight up abysmal. this or next year Imma buy a proper one, but in the meantime how much would new RAM and SSDs improve this mess? hell, what bothers me the most is how a new graphics card would eat up ~80% of the total cost for a new pc because I want my next pc to withstand at least 5 years of usage and not become obsolete overnight.

>>106180947
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/07/business/intel-ceo-resign-trump

bahahahahhahahahahahaha

fucking intel how this company hasnt done a single good decision since 2019

>>106180938
There is nothing wrong here and it is normal with amd cards

>>106181113
that cant be right? what can i do to make it less hot but not lose too much of it

>>106180947
sorry I can't hear you over a trillion dollars of lawyers

>>106180938
Strange how your hotspot temp is so bad but the memory is ok. Usually with 9000 series it's been high memory temps ok hotspot and great core temp. What model do you have?

>>106180938
my gpu temps never go above 40c op sounds like a skill issue

>>106181214
PowerColor Hellhound Spectral
>>106181221
:(

>>106181228
works on my machine op
deltas are always cucked but lol!!!

>>106181362
>>106180938
furmark is a retarded test. you hit ppt limit no matter the max clock. no game is like this.

>>106181362
Did you change anything on the card? How can it be so cool with no fan
speed?
>>106181403
I know but didn't want it be that hot

Is 6-32 5mm screw enough for mounting arctic iii 360 radiator to lian li 217 case?

I got a new PC case and Radiator to replace my air cooler, but I'm too lazy to swap it all over.

>>106181448
if you lower the power limit then the temps will also lower in furmark. its a power virus.

>>106181504
if you just have better cooling then your temps will be lower, pretty simple equation

>>106181531
nah because the gpu will use whatever cooling headroom to boost higher but it cant because bonking ppt/tdc limit like ryzen does.

>>106181553
my gpu temps are 37c and im getting 274 average fps, are you blind by any chance?

>>106181577
you are hitting ppt limit which is 375w

When are we going to have APU with unified memory on PC?

>>106181504
The best tuning I could do

Memtest86+ or PassMark's Memtest86 to test RAM?

>>106181228
>>106181448
You definitely need to undervolt and adjust your fan curves. Pic related is 1 minute of furmark with the same fan curve but 270 watts vs stock over 300. Temp difference is huge. Yes the score is a decent bit lower but that is just because furmark is all about power. My score in 3dmark steel nomad is actually a few dozen points higher with the undervolt.

Don't just copy my settings though. First see how fast you can run your memory. Start at 2814 mhz (actually 2800 because there is a 14 offset) and go either higher or lower from there depending on if it crashes or not until you find where you are stable. The memory also has error correction so make sure your score isn't dropping vs stock with the memory OC. Do the same with the voltage offset starting at -80. Then test this with different negative power limits until you get temps and performance you like.

You can also run a more aggressive fan curve to get better temps. I have to run a pretty high one combined with the undervolt to get my memory under 90 degrees in games but that is just because my case has very bad airflow.

Finally you start playing actual games and find out how stable it really is and make further adjustments. Adrenalin has per game tuning so you can adjust it to be stable for a specific one causing problems or just disable the undervolt and keep the better fan curve like me if you can't be assed.

>>106181797
Did I do it wrong?

>>106181749
Either one would be fine for a quick "does my XMP crash immediately" test but neither one really guarantees stability at limit conditions.

>>106181734
Good start. Follow my guide >>106181734
and run 3dmark too so you have an idea of what your actual performance in games is. If you just lower the power limit and don't do an offset or memory OC you will lose performance in games.

>>106181829
The max frequency offset on 9000 series to my knowledge doesn't do anything really. You need to test in 3d mark and games to know if this is stable because unless you won silicon lottery it very likely isn't.

>>106181857
Okay

>>106181857
Sorry again, but where can I get it for free?

>>106181904
i use the demo version off steam which is just steel nomad but that is all you need really.

>>106181832
It was mostly for troubleshooting, but thanks.

Do any of the motherboard brands actually leave you with a pleasant reassured feeling rather than the sense that your computer is being held together by Chinesium once you have to actually look at the documentation, firmware website, BIOS, or accompanying software?
I'm 0 for 2 with ASUS and Gigabyte.

>>106181984
ASrock

>>106181923
Ran it with these settings>>106181829

>>106181978
Yeah go for it. They're quick, by memory testing standards, and if it crashes you'll know your RAM is way out of whack. Unfortunately there's a lot of issues those Memtest derivatives can't catch so a clear result is no guarantee that your memory isn't the cause. Need to run something harder like TM5 or OCCT afterwards.

>>106173428 (OP)
It's time to upgrade, so I started to check out the parts.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fDw9zP
This is my planned build list for now, based on consulting a more knowledgeable friend. For a lot of parts here, when there are alternative options, I'm currently browsing to see whether anything drops in price. So far, I ordered the cpu because it went on a bit of a sale, and the monitors are my current ones.
I picked the case because I want one I can set horizontally due to the way my desk is set up.
Any advice?
Budget: ~3000usd
Region: Poland

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1mjv288/for_anyone_experiencing_lag_turn_this_on/

lol

add the ch260 to the mATX list its the airflow king of mATX

>>106180700 yes anon the PE120 is good enough for a 9800x3d stay away from the liquid cooling , if you can find go for the pretor 130 , its newer and better , phantom 120 also counts

>>106181984
Nope. It's all race to the bottom commodity hardware.

>>106181989
Asrock AB350 gaming ITX broke after 7.5 years.

No warning signs, checked everything visually, it looks almost as new but it would not power up the CPU anymore, more like the PSU immediately shuts power down when 12V Cpu power cable is connected.

Should I grab the AOC U27G4R or go for a Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP?

a couple of years ago you guys warned me about a type of SSDs that I should avoid because they are prone to dying too fast or something. was is "type of NAND flash memory"? I wanna buy "SSD 1 TB Samsung 980 NVMe M.2 MZ-V8V1T0BW, 3500/3000 MB/s" and I trust you autismos more than a regurgitating toaster.

>>106182073
>Mobo
Probably overkill for (I assume) a gaming build.
>SSDs
Could likely get a single 4TB drive for similar money. Fine to keep them separate if you want to dual boot though.
>PSU
Way overkill. 750W would do fine. 1kW if you want headroom.
>Case/fans
Spending a fair bit on aesthetics here. Nothing wrong with that ofc but an easy place to cut if you need to make budget.

Rest looks decent. Subject to local pricing, naturally.

>>106182032
Wow you might have a pretty nice bin. Definitely run through the benchmark a couple more times to make sure it doesn't crash, you also can do a free looping benchmark with unigine super position, furmark if you leave it running for a long time is a decent stability test as well. But again the only way you will find out how truly stable it is, is by playing your games.

>>106182260
I will try

>>106182260
I took off the max frequency offset since it didn't seem to work as you said, no difference but I could go down more to -125 in offset voltage and i took the power limit from -10 to 0 and seems like i hit now 3.05GHz on the GPU when doing the bench multiple times, I will try games to see the overall experience

Ran cinebench with my 9800x3d, only things I have done was apply expo1, set pbo to advanced, add 100mhz+ and curve optimizer to negative 20
Should temps be really that high for multicore?

>>106180942
>The new Trueblack asus oleds are 1299€ for the 165hz and 1367€ for the 240hz according to retailers here -
Not worth that premium considering they don't have the newer, TB500-certified 4-layer tandem WOLED panel.

>>106182713
It's not even red-lining the CPU; the temps are fine.
Cinebench is not a stability test btw.

I have a 7700X and a 32GB kit of 6000CL36 from like two and half years ago. Is it worth spending like $200 to get a 64GB kit of 6000CL30? Would I even notice a difference?

I want to keep using this setup until the next gen of AMD X3D chips comes out.

>>106182778
not really

Has anyone tried using any of the double CCDs Ryzen with Windows 10 LTSC? Curious to know whether the core parking thing works without Windows 11.

This seems like a really good deal, first time I've seen one of the good card brands below 800.

>>106182987
It's okay if you accept that the 9700 XT was meant to be sold at $700, not the limited launch price offer of $600.

>>106182234
Thanks.
>Mobo
Mostly gaming and general day-to-day use, but I also sometimes do some programming, and maybe I'll try to play around a bit with AI. My friend recommended a tomahawk, partially based on his own good experience, either 670/670E/870/870E so for now I slot it in the last one since the price difference wasn't big. I'm going to observe the prices for a while tho.
>SSD
A two SSD set-up was suggested by my friend, so I leaned into that. I did try to dual boot in the past with disastrous results, but I don't know if I won't try again in a while. For 4TB, for it to be of similar price it'd have to be either Lexar NM790 4TB or Patriot VP4300 Lite 4TB. Opinions on those?
>PSU
Another friend's initial suggestion included a 1200W, so that anchored a bit in my head, but after that I looked mostly at 1000W, but while browsing with the tierlist in this thread, this one turned out might at a similar price to the 1000W, but the store that had it the cheapest is temporarily closed until 13th, so the deal might not stand, but I thought I'll keep it there to see. Another reason I had a look at 1200W was that I've read somewhere that it's good to be at around 50% of the PSU's limit, and the pc part picker estimated the wattage at 622.
>Case/fans
The space under my desk suffers from really poor ventilation, so I decided to put it on the desktop, but while I've got a lot of space there horizontally, the ceiling is sloped, so I'm a bit limited height wise, and there aren't that many cases like that. Since I'm putting it in a very visible place, I'd prefer it to look good, although I'm not a fan of RGBs. There is a version of this case with some built in fans, and those are with leds and would leave 3 empty fan slots, so getting fans outside of it seems a better option as for the same price I've got a full-setup and with no leds.

>>106182987
I have it and the hotspot seems to get toasty if you don't limit it

When did nvidia drivers get so fucking shit? About to return this 5070 ti, for all the memes about AMD drivers I never had anywhere near as many issues with my 6700 xt

>>106183057
When they stopped giving a fuck about consumers.

>>106182987
is that from the offical store? if i remember right hellhound is their 2nd best model
i would grab it if i were looking for one but since a anon itt has that one >>106183046 its better to ask his opinions instead of mine

>>106183057
they've been shit for a while bro. broken ass mpo thats still not fixed.
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157/~/after-updating-to-nvidia-game-ready-driver-461.09-or-newer%2C-some-desktop-apps

>>106183070
It's from amazon.

>>106183088
Only Microsoft can fix issues related to MPO.
It also affects Radeon cards, including RX 9000s.
Do everyone a favor and stay in that containment Discord channel.
https://github.com/RedDot-3ND7355/MPO-GPU-FIX

>>106183148
that fag doesn't know what he's talking about. he's a random reddit retard that made a tool and begs for donations

>>106183148
Nigga Nvidias website still says its broken. Why do you suck so much cock? Fuck off cunt.

>>106183252
>Nvidias website still says its broken.
That webpage is saying Microsoft's MPO is causing issues, so it's advised to disable that Windows feature through the Windows registry files.
They aren't sharing files to fix NVIDIA's drivers.
I bet you're the retard that's calling everyone else a third-world, ESL. Go back to that Discord and stay in that little circle jerk.

Who makes the best 360mm aio? Ideally under $100, fairly quiet, and cools better than average

>"Upgraded" to 32" UHD monitor after using a 27" QHD for a while
It's so... ass. I actually unplugged it and started using my 1440p monitor again. Am I stupid or are there other people who thinks 4k just doesn't really work with consumer monitors?

>>106183307
Arctic LF3/Pro when they're on sale. Be aware of the radiator dimensions (it's thicker than average), and some owners didn't like the CPU mounting bracket setup.

>>106183341
4K 32" monitors have been around for quite a while, and they're working fine for other owners.
You have to share more specific feedback.

>>106183341
Unfortunately your post was written with as much intelligence as the anime character you posted. Maybe spend some time organizing your thoughts and try again if you want people to care.

>>106183370
>>106183380
The issue is scaling it just doesn't look good. I could use 24" 1080p and 27" 1440p without any scaling and everything was perfect but 32" 4k isn't as simple. Random shit won't look right and everything is too small or too blown out. I'm not sure how this ever became a recommended standard. I literally never even once ran into any issues at all using my 1440p 27" display but run into issues constantly with my 32" 4k.

>>106183426
Can you post some examples? I've seen people complaining about this before but can never actually give any details about the problem.

>>106183426
1.25x, 1.5x are the commonly recommended UI scaling for 4K resolution.
If you're not happy with either, I guess it's not for you.

>>106183468
Many games don't have UI scaling though.

Nvidia Chuds how we doing today?

>>106183491
the fuck is chuds?

>>106183488
I guess it's like HDR gaming, you need to find UI mods for those games.

>>106183447
>UI in certain games/programs
>On screen notifications
>Text in certain websites
>OS prompts
It's a fucking pain
>>106183468
So you HAVE to use scaling? That shit really sucks.

>>106183506
it's me, I'm the right wing chud.

>90c hotpots are fine, I'll cope and pretend it doesn't matter in games (it does lol)
nah

>>106183530
Is that a Kryosheet? It will perform worse than a phase change pad.

>>106183546
Yeah, it will preform worse than thermal paste, but it last forever. With water cooling my temps don't get high enough to make good use of the phase change pad.

>>106183559
I'm happy for you.

>>106182118
>pretor 130 , its newer and better
It's not good at cooling Ryzen CPUs.
Mediocre for gaming & maximum loads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-8PZKcMYg

>>106183568
I'm happy I didn't short out this GPU

>>106173428 (OP)
>RAM
>2x16gb
>2x24gb
>2x48gb
>2x64gb
Why doesn't the OP recommend 2x32gb? Is there something I don't know?

>>106183764
It's a troll OP, lots of things like that meant to fuck with the uninformed user.

>>106183764
>Why doesn't the OP recommend 2x32gb?
If you're buying a dual rank memory kit, you might as well get the higher capacity 2x 48 or 64GB config.
24Gbit Hynix M-die DDR5 IC is also easier on the memory controller compared to A-dies, that's why the fastest DDR5 kits usually use M-die memory chips.

>>106183697
>70C with inaudible fans at max boost
>mediocre cooling
What kind of retardation is this? Its not 2010 anymore where anything more than 50C is considered too hot, grandpa... Modern CPU keep getting juiced until they hit their thermal or power limit. 70C at max wattage with an air cooler and barely audible fans is great.

>>106183832
A dual tower air cooler with a 130mm fan is performing worse than Thermalright's own PA and PS120s.
Pretor 130 also costs more than those two coolers.
That's mediocre.

this ai boom is not sustainable. its costing us precious water.

Uh oh radeon sisters, the Nvidia shill channel "Digital Foundry" is getting stronger. How do we react to this?

>>106183870
that just means they will be acquired again within 5 years when they cant pay their bills

>>106183870
Don't worry. Radeon will become stronger next gen. Trust the plan

>>106181214
9000 series with Samsung chips has low memory temps. the Hynix ones get hot. lately 9000 series started shipping with Samsung ones.

>>106183782
No, it's called listening to feedback.
The anon who pointed out that the currently available 2x 48GB kits are superior to 2x 32GB in every way is correct.
>'But muh price'
It's recommended for workstation/high-end PCs; these kits pay for themselves, and they're not for value PC builders.

is DLSSchizo STILL here? god damn

>>106183940
I'm not that DLSS shill. One of my favorite webms shared in these threads is that Spider-Man Remastered DLSS clip with the smeary lamp post.
That's the most visible flaw I notice with DLSS.

>>106183426
just because one shitty app does not scale properly and looks blurry does not warrant all the downsides of going back to a shittier display
what even is that logic

>>106183969
Where did I say it was one app what even is that reading comprehension?

>>106183559
>With water cooling my temps don't get high enough to make good use of the phase change pad.
you'd probably need to disable your radiator fans so temps go over 70C or something, enough to at least melt it once so it sets. or disconnect water pump or something.

>>106183940
(You) the DLSSchizo post itt
He probably literally died, he hasn't posted here in months

>>106184004
that's the whole problem, everything else is autism
btw native pixels does not even look good either, in fact it looks like shit compared to scaling being used
you complain that shit looks like shit but you are fine already using shit?
I get if you work in some decrepit old ass fucking program that does not work with scaling all day or some shit but otherwise makes 0 sense

New comedic episode of Jewfus tries to find the AMDip video just dropped

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyubzqb-VuY

tldr
>Jewfus made 100k selling courses at 100 000/389 = 257 units sold
>The AMDip dissappeared
>Commentors credit that disappearance of the AMDip to Jewfus' superior tuning of the AM platform now

Start selling courses. NOW!

inb4 mandatory buy an ad reply

see you in the next episode of the AMDip

>>106184068
so he stopped using eCLK on AMD now?
anyway you should buy an ad

>>106184068
I have no idea what any of this means and I'm going to take that as a good thing.

Fine, I bought an arctic liquid iii pro

why?

>>106184206
is they good at gayming?

>>106184206
Some people pay any amount for a slight edge on competition

>>106184046
>>106184068
>>106184095
>>106184118
wasnt it confirmed that this guy posts his own videos here?

>>106184206
I bought all of them.

>>106184557
>must have breads

>>106184442
no it's actually just a mentally ill retard who is obsessed with certain techtubers and believes every word they say
but it's fun to suggest that he's posting his own videos because that anon takes it really seriously

>>106173428 (OP)
How much do I need to spend if I just want to emulate old games up to 7th gen? I have a gaming laptop with a 3060 but I want a bigger screen and less noise and heat. Considering a mini PC.

>>106184671
>Considering a mini PC
Ever considered castration?

>>106184671
I'd get at least a 9600X CPU if you're emulating PS3.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d/8.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/8.html

>>106184195
Congratulations on being sane

>>106184195
Good luck with the horrible installation. Hope you don't fuck up your cpu.

>>106184819
the installation is honestly not that bad except for the thumbscrews

>>106184195
The new Pro fans are nice, but they can run a bit loud at higher RPMs.
Set a lower fan curve if that's the case.
The noise/performance sweet spot for these static pressure optimized fans is at around 40~60%.

>>106183426
I don't have this problem but I use a 43" 4k tv as a monitor.

>>106184855
How would that change anything, 4k is 4k.

>>106184898
Bruh...

>>106184919
Not an argument frogfag.

>>106182118
what's the airflow king of Full ATX

>>106184931
Antec Flux Pro

>>106184898
43" in 4k is roughly equivalent to four 21.5" 1080p monitors. At 32" it is equal to four 16" 1080p monitors.

>>106185014
How does that effect scaling in any way. 4k is still 4k. The size of your icons is going to remain the same relatively.

>>106181449
I recommend you get 9,53 mm, 3/8 inch, so they go deep enough to grip on the thread! You can easily screw them that deep into the holes of the radiator, they don't touch anything inside. I got myself half an inch, 12.7mm, to install pull fans on top of my rad, of which 4mm go through the fan frame and 8.7mm into the radiator hole.

Amazon source here:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Alloy-Steel-Socket-Button-Screws/dp/B00W97KSTK?th=1

>>106181449
Do coolers not come with their own screws? I'm pretty sure they do.

I've been waiting a while for the rtx5000 series before building a new PC. They're still above MSRP but are at least available now.

Should i be worried about this? Do I have to fomo in now before they increase further in price?

>>106184819
It can't be that bad

>>106185040
>>106184919

>>106185308
No but it is needlessly obtuse, even gamers nexus fucked up when they did it.

>>106185178
GPU AIBs will try to take advantage of the situation so you should be worried

>How it feels to own a Sapphire GPU

>>106184931
open bench

>>106185326
I was eyeing the 5090 cause everything else was disappointing but I'm still hesitant to put down ~$2500 this instant.

>>106183530
Based and sheetpilled.

>>106183491
>>106183530
>$2500+ product and they still took out 6 filtering caps

>>106185353
unless you're willing to drop $3k on an astral, i'd advise against buying a 5090 since there is a medium/high risk of melting the connector from unbalanced current draw

>>106185395
undervolted and power limited to 400w it still beats every other card on the market by 20%

>>106185458
5090 is power limited at stock so you lose a lot of performance from undervolting/power limiting unlike on the 4090

>>106185482
wrong, at 450w it only loses 7-8% performance, you can watch derbauers video on it if you feel like coping mlre

>>106185482
AMD troons will just lie about observable reality because the 5090s awesome performance upsets them greatly

>>106185503
>>106185516
i own the 5090 and used to own the 4090 anons
its the truth

>>106185482
https://youtu.be/kdjOfKPt51s
why lie about something so effortlessly debunked?

>>106185531
tranny cope
>>106185533

>>106185531
Ok nicotroon, lying seething abhuman tranny

>>106185533
>4090 at 2500mhz at 0.88v ~60% of stock power, 88% of stock performance
>5090 at 2300mhz at 0.90v ~58% of stock power, 80% of stock performance
5090 is literally shit at undervolting

>>106185347
redpill me on good open benches.

>>106185565
tranny is coping, tranny cope is easily debunked

>>106185569
buzzwords don't make you any more believable though

>>106185572
your cope is debunked by graphs that aren't even undervolted
>>106185554

>>106185565
and the problem it seems is that the vf curve of 5090s is very steep/leaky unlike the 4090's gradual vf curve so you lose a lot of performance undervolting
>>106185578
you don't even have a card so sit in the corner and listen lmao

why is it that every time I check in to this thread it's just a bunch of seething losers

>>106185583
I have a 5090 suprim and a 5090 astral on top of a 4090 matrix, you are simply a coping tranny
at the same power draw the 4090 is beaten by 20%

>>106185588
its just an ai bot designed to shit up 4chan

>>106185594
no shit a stock 4090 is less efficient than an undervolted 5090
wtf are you trying to prove

>>106185572
>>106185583
Shut the fuck up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv-lMrKiwyk

>>106185601
that you're a coping Radeontranny that doesn't own any Blackwell GPU, nicotroon

My 2070 isn't cutting it anymore and there's a local store selling a9070XT Reaper 16GB for a little over $1000 AUD.

I just wanna play 1440p at high fps, but would it be silly to buy right now with what might be on the horizon? I probably won't want to upgrade the rest of the PC around it if it'll function nicely enough. Any advice much appreciated hehe!

>>106185605
>cpu bottlenecked game
lol lmao even
>>106185610
seethe

Is this general ready to admit that Radeon saars are a cancer on any type of pc hardware discussion?
At least Nvidia shills usually play games.

>>106185623
If you look at the last few posts, its the nvidia saars that need to leave since they can't accept an honest discussion

>>106185615
cope

>>106185615
>gets proven wrong with actual benchmarks
>instant absurd ludicrous seething Troon cope

>>106185613
>$1000 AUD (about $650 USD)
Pricing kind of sucks, and the Reaper has one of the thinnest (loudest) coolers.
Not to mention Ethical AMD™ locked the real performance of that card behind a power-limited vBIOS to prevent it from cannibalizing 9070 XT sales.

>>106185639
i don't need to see any external benchmarks since I tested on my own gpu in a true gpu bottlenecked area of refantazio and believe what I tested myself more than some german cuck on youtube said

>>106185395
Why is the $3k astral the only version of the 5090 protected against connector melting? I heard that was an issue for founder edition only?

>>106185653
looks like you got shit silicon lottery and are probably coping lmao, should have bought a binned card next time and not a poorfag zot-ACK shitbrick

>>106185599
definitely feels that way

>>106185668
It's not a protection feature, AIBs aren't allowed to make that kind of change to the reference design.
It's just a monitoring feature.

>>106185668
the melting issue is catastrophically overstated considering there's only been 4 instances since release with hundreds of thousands of 5090s gaming as we speak

>>106185653
>gpu bottlenecked area of refantazio
>refantazio
Very funny, shithead.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2679460/Metaphor_ReFantazio/

>>106185674
It's a binned Aorus Master though, and you don't seem to understand how vf curves work so let's end the discussion here

>>106185706
>gigashite
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RETARDED NIGGA L SILICON LOTTERY LMAOKOOO
next time buy an ASUS

>>106185644
Champion, thanks for letting me know.

Guess I'll wait to see whatever shit Nvidia drops next

>>106185668
It has per-pin current readouts and it's very easy to have unbalanced current just from touching your cables have having a sharp bend from cable routing

>>106185718
I mean the 9070 isn't a bad card; it's a nice performance boost from a 2070.
The pricing kind of sucks.

>>106185731
as always nvidia has better featureset while being more energy efficient and amd cards msrp is fake

I think I've overbuilt my pc and now I don't know what to do with it

>>106185747
now you can chill for 20 years.

>>106185685
I'm sure more have melted and their owners just don't know it yet until they've removed the cable like 4090 upgraders did

Next:
>>106185756
>>106185756
>>106185756

>>106185770
cope

>>106185014
The size of the icons will be literally bigger

I need a rec for a new computer used for modelling some underwater reefs for an NGO.
Here are the requirements for the computer: We recommend using a machine with at least 4 CPU cores, 16 GB of RAM, and 1024 CUDA cores. To take advantage of the latest improvements in model generation and texturing, we reccomend a NVIDIA graphics cards with CUDA Compute Capability 6.1 or higher. While a compatible NVIDIA GPU is recommended for optimal performance, the application can still run and perform image registration without one—however, you won't be able to create models or textures.
I'm out of date since my last build. What CPU, GPU do you think is gonna be the best. It's an NGO, so keeping cost down is a factor. Ak00

>>106186314
hard to answer without some more details but for budget multicore 5950x is an option

>>106185882
But there is more screen space so it equals out.

>>106186411
The company making the software states NVIDIA specifically for some reason.

>>106186467
yes because cuda
nothing to do with the cpu
cuda 6.1 is like 10 years old at this point
I don't know what kind of performance this thing expects but if its that old it might not be much and you can get away with a cheap gpu