Thread 106181292

>OLEDs have burn-in and VRR flicker
>LCDs have shit contrast, poor viewing angles, slow etc.

Is there a promising display tech on the horizon or will monitors always be bad?

>>106181292 (OP)
I think the low resolution on desktop monitors is way more offensive that any of those panel meme specs

>>106181320
No. You can get 163 PPI monitors, like 27" 4k for example. That's good enough for the typical distance of a monitor.
IPS glow or VRR flicker are much more visible than those tiny pixels.

>>106181464
none of them are ultrawide though, classic low-dpi has insufferable text

>>106181292 (OP)
>OLED - blurred text unless you use 4k with high ppi, burn but best colours
>VA - insane motion blur, bad viewing angles so they are curved to hide them but decent blacks
>IPS - bleeding and low contrast, horrible blacks
>TN - horrible colours and even worse contrast, bad vertical viewing angles
>CRT difficult to find, pricy and big

pick your poison I guess

>>106181292 (OP)
Pick TN and use your computer as little as possible, it's the only way

>>106181292 (OP)
Minileds improve the contrast and edge bleeding on LCDs, but not everything else. They are already on the market but only by chink brands.

Microled will have every pixel as a physical led diode but right now it only exists for premium giant TVs. It's not easy to miniaturize. They are also experimenting with just using white leds plus a quantum dot overlay for colors, which adds to complexity.
If Microled doesn't go the way of the LaserTV, it will finally give us a new technique that doesn't fucking suck and allows individual pixels to be turned off without being an organic crap that deteriorates. It's still up in the air if they can make them monitor sized however.

>>106181292 (OP)
>Is there a promising display tech on the horizon or will monitors always be bad?
microLED is basically the ultimate flat panel display tech, has all the benefits of everything else with none of their downsides, plus it can do stupid high refresh rates and brightness.
Only problem with it is it's currently expensive as all fuck (cheapest display is a 86" TV for like $60,000), but the price is rapidly coming down and production ramping up (just a few years ago the cheapest TV was ~$250,000).

>>106181528
I am not a big fan of blacks so IPS it is

don't care, will continue buying what's cheapest for the highest resolution and refresh rate at the time

>>106181528
>VA - bad viewing angles so they are curved to hide them but decent blacks
i agree for tv usage, but monitors this isn't as big of an issue (it still is a problem) since you're sitting dead on with it. new va panels are better about this.


>IPS - bleeding and low contrast, horrible blacks
edge lit panel issue imo


>CRT difficult to find, pricy and big
and can't do high resolution


>OLED - blurred text unless you use 4k with high ppi
this is an operating system font rendering issue, not a hardware issue afaik

if God smiles upon us microLED will release. inshallah.

are there any other similar pick your poison situations like this in life?

>>106181528
For me it's OLED and CRT

>>106181464
27" is small unless you're sitting right next to the screen

32" is default size for any sane human

the answer to this problem is to actually enjoy what you're looking at on the screen enough that you arent inspecting the fucking pixels and manually watching the screen like a fucking retard faggot looking for buyers remorse. get a life you fucking losers. try doing something you enjoy

>>106181292 (OP)
Shouldn't have tossed the old Trinitron away.

>>106182656
>edge lit panel issue imo
Wrong. A lot of the "bleeding" you see on IPS panels is actually just the poor near-black viewing angles of IPS panels, also often call IPS glow. It always looks about like picrel, and there's no escaping it.
>[crt] can't do high resolution
Also wrong, typical cheap 19" CRTs sold in the 00s did 1200p, and more high end monitors did 1440p, 1536p, 1600p. With modern 550mhz+ DP-VGA dongles you can make the dozen 140khz CRT monitors display 2160p60hz. Yes, real 4K on a 25 year old CRT, even if the mask pitch can't really resolve it nor could the amplifiers really keep up.

>basically nobody on /g/ has seen nor will ever see an uniform .22mm Trinitron tube
Ohh I pity you so much

>>106184344
>IPS
Let me get this out of the way by saying this: as a computer monitor, I intend to use it facing me dead on.

If this was a television in my living room? Yeah I wouldn't use that shit. It's not perfect and I'm under no illusion about that. But for my desktop and _my_ uses? I find the problems don't outweigh the benefits.
The IPS glow/blooming isn't an issue for me if a scene isn't literally 0,0,0 black with intense highlights.

The only media that has ever made me notice blooming, and it occurred in a miniscule portion of it, was in Dead Space. It is a exceedingly small occurrence that I can put up with it for the benefits it otherwise have.

More lighting zones and/or better dimming algorithms helps here. The China men have better miniLED monitors on market than the US or Europe. FFalcon U8 is supposedly even better than the Innocn 27m2v I have. Redmagic has their 5000 zone one in the lab that they displayed at a tech show 2 years ago or something.

>With modern
I'm talking about consumer affordable technologies in the context of their relevant time periods of usage so we're on the same page.

4k? I don't know of a single 16:9/16:10 CRT that does that resolution. I doubt it exists, if it does it's probably as expensive back then as a tandem display is nowadays. I don't really care about halo products that are tens of thousands, yeah they exist, but I don't work in a field that does video editing.

I looked up what QSXGA CRTs existed, now correct me if I'm wrong here, but it's a tiny list. The actual display sizes excluding bezel is tiny too. Then you have retarded caveats like this: "Taking full advantage of this monitor's capabilities on a modern graphics card requires a very high bandwidth DAC, capable of at least 534z. This will allow it to display 2880x2160 at 60hz"

Anyway, cheap and 1200p? At 60hz? 50hz? I remember using CRTs and I don't want to go back. Shit is literally headache inducing on cheap monitors.

>>106181292 (OP)
Buy a CRT.

>>106181292 (OP)
I use quantum dot VA as a budget alternarive - high contrast, very wide gamut, very high colour accuracy, capable of unreal saturation.

>>106181292 (OP)
My LCD has burn-in and flickers with VRR.

>>106181528
I have a MSI QD OLED monitors and I don't know if Microsoft fixed it before I got the monitor or what, that font rendering doesn't look any different from the IPS monitor I use for work with the right sharpness settings, even from very close up.

VRR flicker is less of a problem if you have your shit set up correctly. Most games shouldn't give you FPS fluctuations of more than 20fps. You can use RTSS to smooth that out. Also since these OLED monitors are usually really high refresh rates multiple of anything, you don't need VRR on things like mpv.

>>106181292 (OP)
>VRR flicker
How often are people using VRR though?

>>106181528
You forgot;
>MicroLED - seams, power hungry and can't be miniaturized

>>106184280
we know xir

>>106181292 (OP)
we're literally months away from Good Shit mini-led panels. they're pretty power inefficient (100W for 32" is fucking crazy) but no burn-in, great colors and over 1000 local dimming zones so it's actual hdr and not "hdr ;)". Prices are expected to be $400-500 for 4k 32" 120+ Hz
just about the only downside is high power draw and blacks being still worse than oled, but, eh

>>106186613
On AMD it's enabled by default.
There's not enough of a reason aside from said flicker to not use VRR. It gets rid of tearing without the problems caused by vsync. It has been long enough that most VRR displays people are using have no issues with the technology whatsoever. If for instance, I can only run a game at 110fps and my monitor is set to 165hz, with triple buffered vsync there is a constant juddery effect, more noticeable when using a controller to move the camera and such. You can avoid having to do anything manually like changing refresh rates and the input lag is pretty much gone. Tearing is still a problem at higher framerates than 60, specially on 2D games (Nine Sols for instance). Hell I had to fight with the settings on my Deck to make it smooth, because there's no VRR there.

>>106181292 (OP)
Yeh the answer to all monitor questions is the same as most of lifes questions.

>don't be poor

Thats it. Buy an OLED. If it burns in, replace it. Simple.

>>106181528
This is the stupidest shit I've read on here in awhile. You're either trolling or a raging moron.

>>106186613
>How often are people using VRR though?
These days it's always used in (non-competitive) games, because it's just better.

And it also works for watching videos in full screen, tested with mpv here. It works by default, no config needed.

>>106182656
>this is an operating system font rendering issue, not a hardware issue afaik
No, colour fringing also happens with small UI elements and non-cleartype text. High PPI just masks it, the only solution are the gen4 panels with RGB subpixels that just started coming out

>>106186022
>If this was a television in my living room? Yeah I wouldn't use that shit.
It's actually worse at close distance, because you're looking at it from a sharper angle.

>The IPS glow/blooming isn't an issue for me if a scene isn't literally 0,0,0 black with intense highlights.
I notice it every time I visit a website with a dark background or watch a video with black bars.
Over time you start to ignore it, but it's there, like a shitty layer of haze over the screen.
IPS is only "fine" for bright colors.

>>106181292 (OP)
3840x1600 (letterboxed 4K movie resolution) s perfect for me but no OLEDS exist

>>106181292 (OP)
>OLEDs have burn-in
Eh, probably, If you're going with a static picture on max brightness non-stop. Still better than LCD glow.
>VRR flicker
No flickering on my Samsung Odyssey, since at least I'm not a full retard. Just enable VRR + FreeSync.

>>106187529
>Just enable VRR + FreeSync.

We're talking about VRR brightness flickering, which affects pretty much all OLEDs and many VAs.

You can fix it somewhat, but that has other downsides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ZMmMWi_yA

>>106181292 (OP)
I got a Steam Deck OLED and I can't even tell the difference between that and my LCD monitor. I'm fucking blind I guess, so I'm thinking buying an OLED monitor would be worthless.

>>106187580
>We're talking about VRR brightness flickering
I know.
>You can fix it somewhat,
Yeah, just few clicks in AMD Adrenalin to turn on FreeSync )or something like this) and It's good. This Is literally how I fixed my case of flickering (the most noticeable was when moving mouse around Adrenalin menus or Telegram). I really don't know what people are bragging about.

>muh burn in.
literally not an issue and if it is an issue, just buy another one. you aren't a poorfag are you? can't afford to spend 800 dollars after 4 years?

>>106187529
>Eh, probably, If you're going with a static picture on max brightness non-stop. Still better than LCD glow.
Those things last less than a smartphone battery in computer monitor use. It's fine for a TV but they're basically consumables as far as computer monitor use goes. Really trash.

>>106187624
oled is actually pretty unremarkable in picture. its consoomers with buyer's remorse that they spent 1k on something that degrades highly with any usage

most noticeable thing for me was how fucked up the fonts are

literally 80% of any pro oled post is an indian shill or in rare cases an actual human with buyer's remorse

>>106187997
I can afford to replace the self-destructing monitor once a week if I want to, but that doesn't mean I'm also willing to spend money on such a thing.

Been using a 48" LG OLED C1 4K 120hz TV as my one and only PC / MacOS monitor for 3 years now and I'm super happy with it. I only use it for PC use though (browsing, music listening, occasional gaming) as for youtube, movies and tv shows, I use an 77" Sony OLED TV. That one costed 4500 euros about 3y ago too but it was very worth it. I was chasing the ultimate picture quality for my movies and that's what I got. Who knows when I'll upgrade from that. Although I barely ever use it's HDR capabilities since I mostly watch movies from the 70s to the 90s.

>>106188018
>most noticeable thing for me was how fucked up the fonts are
It's mostly a Windows problem, since ClearType wasn't meant for an OLED subpixel layout. You need to enable GrayScale or use MacType or switch to a less shitty OS If you can. But even considering this the text in Windows Is fine on the 4k, 27" OLED display. People are being dramatic over this, as like they're poor or always looking at their monitor over the magnifying glass.
>oled is actually pretty unremarkable in picture
Yeah, true black with no black crush which seriously improves contrast, gamma (which leads to a better colors) and much less ghosting - these thing are unremarkable, right.

And in all other respects, OLED is mostly better than LCD. There're still many rough edges for both of them though. And If It's not an OLED then maybe MicroLED will fix the modern monitors, just wait 5-10 years, lol.

>>106188146
i had a 4k 34 inch oled. it was really bad and took getting used to. its not minor and its the most noticeable thing about it.

>>106188166
>i had a 4k 34 inch oled
I was talking about 4k 27 inch oled, which has higher ppi which leads to a tighter pixel layout which leads to smoother font rendering.
>it was really bad and took getting used to. its not minor and its the most noticeable thing about
Because It wasn't meant for OLED displays, as I said earlier.

https://youtu.be/fgY5fM2cINc&t=1288
Palmer said he has something CRT equivalent cooking. Trust the plan. Two more years.

>>106181528
>OLED - blurred text
Stop using windows, tard, or learn how to edit cleartype registry values by hand.

>>106186022
>4k? I don't know of a single 16:9/16:10 CRT that does that resolution.
Such widescreen units indeed don't exist, but nothing prevents you from displaying 16:9 aspect ratio video on a 4:3 CRT.
>if it does it's probably as expensive back then as a tandem display is nowadays
There were dozen ~140khz CRTs out of which the GDM-F520 was the best monitor ever made. It had an MSRP of "only" 1699 USD.
Tubes got quite cheap towards the 00s.
>Anyway, cheap and 1200p? At 60hz? 50hz?
96khz, so 1200p75hz. This was super common on cheap chinese 19" monitors sold in the 00s.

>>106181292 (OP)
i have a va and i cant see bad angles even at 90degrees
who the fuck games at a 178angle
yall are just retarded and dont know how to sit infront of a monitor

>VRR flicker
why not just cap the frame rate?

>>106188853
cap to what, 30fps?
vrr flicker is the worst at like 40-60fps.

>>106188875
24? 30? 40? 60? 120?
Oleds come in 240, 360 and 480 so they're all evenly divisible

>>106188827
bad view angle is a good talking point from youtube consoomers to convince people to buy latest dogshit beta test tech

what are you poor saar? please do buying oled

>>106188943
You're missing the point of VRR, which is to get the best framerate possible while avoiding tearing. What you're suggesting guarantees a low framerate, which is bad. We've moved on from Vsync for a reason.
VRR (Adaptive Sync) just works, you don't need to think about framerates or anything.

OLEDs with RGB subpixels any day now...

>>106189508
>low framerate
huh?
the only big gulf on a 240hz display is between 120 and 240 and at that point who gives a shit about screen tearing

>>106189626
If the most you can get is 50ish fps locking to 120fps won't help you.
Do you understand how any of this works at all?

>>106189712
Then you either lock it to 40 or lower settings and lock it to 60

>>106189836
>40
48

>>106181528
OLED blurred text is so true anons. It blows hard. Should have stuck with ips

been using the aw3423dwf or whatever the fuck it is for 2 years now with 0 burn in and never noticed any flicker or bad text, color reproduction and contrast are out of this world though

>>106183074
macos/windows/linux
android/ios
firefox/chrome

>>106186118
>I use quantum dot VA
Which model? Have you noticed ghosting, smearing, gamma shift, black crush, or input lag? How's the text rendering?

>>106181292 (OP)
And all of them have smeary, blurry motion clarity.

>>106191930
Not on my pg32ucdm

>>106181292 (OP)
saar microled available in 2050 for 5 gorillion dolla