Thread 106201409

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• Tempotec Variations V1 - $130
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106182031

Is estrogen good for you?

I just got space travel and they worked great for 10 minutes but now the right one is completely unresponsive. Any recommendations for wireless IEMs that actually work?

>>106201409 (OP)
>nozzle w/ fixed metal grill
when will sistas rebel against this nonsense?

>>106201490
snoys

>Truthear Pure
>Shanling UA6

Truly Heaven

>>106201766
>do you have irrefutable PROOF???

Reminder to read the EQ guide.

>>106202068
Reminder to guidezo fix the IR.

>>106202273
why?

>>106202408
Because he tried to mimic some anon example but half-cooked the EQ, so you can still see deviations instead of 1:1. Then he said he was going to fix it but it's still MIA.

sistas, our tots??

>>106202625
if this was by any other maker it'd get chewed out by this general

EDC Pro solved audio.

rec me some warm sounding budget iems

>>106203972
final e500

>>106203972
just put your iem in microwave for 10-15 secs and you're good

>>106203427
>EDC Pro solved audio.
mogged by ZVX Pro

Fiio FH3 with the following EQ solved audio:

3k: +3db
4.2k: +4db
10k (high shelf): -10db

>>106202625
another transjimmy slop
>>106203427
decent but needs EQ

Who Did It Better?

>>106204849
EPZ

>>106204849
Psyche looks nice irl but shit on photos
transjim is exact opposite

>>106204714
BA pos, avoid.

>>106204849
tanch maid mogs

>>106204956
why? can't you just eq out all the ba timbre?

techGODs always win

>>106205067
The shit people do to avoid going outside...

>>106204847
>needs EQ
to mog all the pos in the world it does need a few bands, but it's still kilobuck tier even without it

>>106204863
are these custom shells or something?
where do i get something like that

>>106205390
At EPZ.

>>106205390
Just contact guy from EPZ store at aliexpress and claim your endgame iem NOW.

>>106204863
>>106205422
are these Q1 Pro's?

>>106205457
Yes. If you're allergic to sound quality you can customize their hybrid models too.

>>106205422
red is g10 white is q1pro. but they identical in both FR and shell. I didnt even bother making new EQ preset for q1pro.

>>106205390
dont bother they sound awful the only people who shill them are pedos and furfags

>>106205582
reviews say they sound good though, whats up with that?

>>106205709
everything vaguely tuned to harman 2019 will sound "fine" for most people
q1pros are on a brighter side and lack bass so they are perfect for class 3 listeners.

cheap and durable earbuds primarily for use in the gym? canada

>>106205709
>inb4 "listening to reviewers"
they keep getting free shit because they're told to dish out good reviews, rather than be honest about pos. epz is only worth paying for if you want safe tuning and a custom faceplate. that's it

>>106205854
i see, i appreciate your thoughts.
im mainly looking for an alternative to my HD 650s since i dont want to be wearing those all of the time that im at the pc, is there anything decent under for about <50 bucks that would compare to them?

>>106205067
what the actual fuck is that

>>106205900
No. You can't compare IEMs to headphones. Completely different sound. Not worse, not better, just different.

fuck china

It's pretty crazy how close the edc pro sounds while EQ'ed to the explorer's target

>>106206358
false

>>106206873
lil bro, are you sweating?

>>106206897
sound is just waves hitting your eardrum lol why the fuck would it be "different"
get real

is daybreak worth getting?

>>106207078
no

Need a pair of IEMs to replace my old headphones. Current set is DT 770 pro so something that sounds roughly similar would be nice.

>Budget is 100-200$
>Preferably Bluetooth
>No Chinese stuff I need them to last me 6-7 years at the minimum.

Never actually used IEMs before just looking for something that works without much fuss and is easy to maintain.

>>106207078
More liek gaybreak huhuhuhuhu

>>106207078
what is "worth getting" for you?
>>106207205
>Current set is DT 770 pro so something that sounds roughly similar would be nice.
find something v-shape in the op and shopping guide
not great headphones, hard to say what will sound similar
>No Chinese stuff I need them to last me 6-7 years at the minimum.
doesn't matter from where you buy, iems are simple to manufacture and most of the issues that arise are due to users. most companies (chink or otherwise) have similar levels of qc/qa
>Preferably Bluetooth
aaaaaaaand forget everything i just said, go to your local electronics retailer and buy the latest tws.

>>106207427
I just don't want the wires getting caught in my chair. I keep accidentally tugging the aux cable because the damn cable gets caught up on the arm rests

>>106207470
i think tws is the way to go for general convenience, just be mindful of potential delay and other caveats

>>106207556
Delay as in audio delay? that sounds really annoying. Are Bluetooth headphones really that bad?

It would really suck to be playing a gain that relies on audio queues and having the audio delayed by a fraction of a second. That's absolutely gonna bother me. Maybe I'll just bite the bullet and get something that hopefully can survive getting yanked a several dozen times if it means not having to deal with delay bullshit.

>>106207205
>Current set is DT 770 pro so something that sounds roughly similar
will be hard to find an IEM that would sound as awful as this one

>>106207592
yes, i'm not the most knowledgeable about this but it is a risk that is very present
i say buy one wired and one tws on amazon and return either or both if they don't match what you want

>>106207592
>Are Bluetooth headphones really that bad
yes
you'd need something with low delay so probably something with a receiver instead of bluetooth and that probably means some gaming shit with awful sound quality
https://www.soundguys.com/steelseries-arctis-gamebuds-review-gaming-buds-that-do-it-all-126900/
something like this

you niggas are talking about latency.
correct me if I am wrong, but I think it's only gaming headsets that allow that kind of low-latency, for gaming.
I could be wrong

>>106207698
for gaming on desktop yes
on phones and shit, some apps and oses do some weird shit to sync the audio and video

>>106207592
>can survive getting yanked a several dozen times
pretty much all IEMs have detachable cables so fucking the cable up is not really a problem

gotta say while "real" headphones are stagnating gaming and wireless shit is getting better and better by the day
soon they'll figure out that they need to tune em to pop average DF and it'll be a golden age for gaming headsets

>>106207694
Ok yeah I guess I'll go wired then. Really don't want Chinese made though. I don't really trust those to last more than a few yanks. From prior experience I know It absolutely will happen no matter what even if I try to be careful.

>>106207727
harman is transitioning their original baseline to df for the 5128 so expect something along those lines

>>106207727
hell no dude, what?
as soon as a western entity starts to market tuning, sony will bring back "tuned by harman" all over again with their $359 bullshit

>>106207738
see >>106207707

>>106207751
sony? sony won't do fuck
they are barely surviving thanks to playstation.
also I never said anything about marketing. but they are just starting to figure out that you don't need to tune a gaming headset to a flat line lol

So if I want a pair I can just plug into my pc without issue I need to get a 1DD type iem?

>>106207847
>they'll figure out that they need to tune em to pop average DF
but as soon as they 'figure out' they 'need' it, they'll of course market it as if it's the most redeeming quality. just like they did with harman. that's all I'm saying. also,
what gaming headsets are tuned flat?

>>106207427
I watched crinacle and linus' review of the daybreak and what I got from it is that it's so advanced that 1k iems is the equivalent

>>106207897
>paying for tuning
never again

>>106207878
safest bet, yes
>>106207897
there is no correlation between price and performance
if you want to learn more, learn how to read graphs and read the eq guide

>>106208011
I see a lot of these have 1DD + some other stuff. I'm assuming those are multi driver and I should be looking for something that is 1DD only yes?

>>106208035
probably yes. you can always use multi driver stuff but then you might be hearing something you don't like (or the opposite, something you like). you can always buy a cheap apple dongle to avoid all the trouble

>>106207897
watch 20 more reviews
daybreaks are decent for their price point and as far as hybrids go.

>>106208035
not necessary
there's no real choice other than multiple drivers or dsp to tune IEM to JM-1
You should be looking for something that fits to your price/preference/comfort/etc
Trying IEM before you buy is the most important part

>>106208048
USB DAC?

>>106208098
yes, the apple dongle usb c dac is good and you should be able to find it in most places
might not be super loud depending on where you live but it'll be fine for iems

>>106208109
Ok. Thanks anons.

>>106208091
>JM-1
why?

>>106208253
can't be done with 1dd

>>106208279
why not?

>>106208331
target too complicated for analogue tuning of 1dd

>>106208351
in what way(s)?

Looking to replace these: SteelSeries Siberia v2
Bought them in 2014 and never bothered buying another pair of headphones. Until today, I can no longer hear the right side. The reason why I liked this is because of the bass. I used it for gaming and music, mostly for gaming, so I plan to use a IEM for similar things. This ancient thing cost me $100. I'm sure there's been many improvements on sound tech as time went on, so pretty sure that hundred dollar quality is worth even less now.

Never bought an IEM before but thinking about it since I also have a big head. My headphones broke way before the sound did, and had to fix it. looking for something under $30

Frequency Range for these are 20Hz - 20,000 Hz

>>106208364
I'm not a fucking audio engineer why are you asking me lol Fact of the matter is there are no jm-1 tuned 1DD IEMs cause they can't do it

>>106208393
>I'm sure there's been many improvements on sound tech as time went on, so pretty sure that hundred dollar quality is worth even less now.
lmao you'd think but that's not really the case for headphones
>looking for something under $30
kbear kb01

>>106208413
I'm sure it is way harder for 1DD and maybe it could be done with 2DD. but if those chinks set their minds to it, I'm sure it could be done. but JM-1 seems like it is already attributed to hybrids. and having a dsp cable means I don't get to use 4.4mm balanced which means I'm not using the dac I already own.

Is this the only iem waifu around? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGaSrVu4xwk

>>106208480
for 1 DD you can use resonance chambers like they did with singolo but as far as I know nobody else done fuck with it
also I guess zero 2 is rather close
>maybe it could be done with 2DD
maybe but so far nobody has done it

>>106208529
that resonance chamber is a crutch for the shitty driver. nobody talks about singolo, even when it came out

>>106208482
>***Please appreciate they NEED velvet tips or coffee tips to shine - OOTB with foam tips they are flat and uninspiring but with Velvet tips they are stunning (Dap-Sony WM1A) . Maybe the BEST holographic imaging and placement I have ever heard. One of the most enjoyable IEMs to listen to and relax into whilst also still having superb technicalities by far. Delicious sub bass rumble
apparently daybreak has the best techs with coffee tips

>>106208364
it's a mix of multiple factors, some related to the rigs used, others related to the transfer function of 1DDs (or any singular driver desu)
the biggest challenge is the 1-3 khz region, it's hard to both dampen that region to match JM1 while also not affecting the surrounding regions too much. there are tricks to doing the bass and generally you can get most of the bass profiles (some harder than others)
>>106208529
the chamber in the singolo is mostly used for the bass in this case
>>106208612
the driver is fine, it is the tuning from the fit that makes it a deal breaker

>>106208630
please don't tell me you bought one

fatso is eating good

>>106208529
>>106208673
What about planars?

>>106208714
I did. With coffee tips too

>>106208739
pretty much the same, probably worse due to lower resonant frequency

>>106208785
So what options are there?

>>106208788
stick to the multi driver iems or use dsp/eq

>>106208739
I also was thinking "but what about planars" lol
from what I can see they all have kidna wacky tuning even "the best" ones like Letshuoer S12 or whatever

edc pro lost

Moondrop meteors blow my $1000 headphones out of the water. I don't know what wizardry they used but they're the single most immersive audio experience I've had, and that's after testing basically every recommended IEM in the market recently.

In 3 days they basically destroyed all my preconceptions about sound, and for myself I used to value technicalities, now I value emotion. They're probably the first ever pair to be able to draw out the full emotions of a female vocalist, and now my headphones and Q1 just sound veiled on that aspect.

Another way to describe it is for my whole life, I was listening to music, but now I'm feeling music.

>>106208898
What happend is your hearing degraded enough to finally enjoy raw DF.

>>106207205
You'd be better off getting wired headphones and the qudelix 5k if you need bluetooth

>>106208898
female poison wins yet again

>>106208279
oh damn seriously. Just got the tanchjim fission and was wondering why the EQ targets sounded like shit. I was thinking the graph was fucked up

>>106208898
mogged by ziigaat crescent at less than half the price.

>>106208898
mogged by fox iem

>>106206917
Because it comes from further away

>>106208938
>raw DF
raw DF is enlightenment. Apply this eq preset, and ascend:
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 100 Hz Gain -6.0 dB Q 0.500
Filter 2: ON LSC Fc 1000 Hz Gain -3.0 dB Q 0.500
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1400 Hz Gain -3.0 dB Q 1.400

>>106209649
it just changes perceived loudness and nothing else

>>106209531
lul

>>106209531
mogged by dying like a pathetic rat to ukrainian killer drones

>>106208482
That's a man.

What do you guys think, since I like my Fiio FH3s a lot, do you think I'd love the ISN Neo 5 as an upgrade?

I tone down the treble via EQ on my Fiios but also boost pinna gain a bit.

Or can I do better for $300?

>>106210059
how much did they charge you for the custom artwork? the chink is having some difficulties communicating price for some reason

>>106209866
Nope

>>106210583
The price is one g10. So if you want to customize g10 you order two g10s.

i replied to the wrong post like a tard
i meant to reply to the foxfucker

>>106210587
elaborate

>>106210583
it was like $35-45

>>106209724
True
The reason why tilted and bassy targets exist is pos having shitty treble response with rape spikes compensated in this way.
Etymotic knew this 40 years ago, everyone knows it in professional monitor speaker audio as well.

>>106210913
Yes. And the excuse for excessive sub-bass boost is always "speakers in a real room have boosted sub-bass as well", but in my experience it's only the room modes, i.e., very narrow low-frequency peaks, that I remove with eq. My iems eq'd to raw DF have a tonality that is similar to my nearfield monitors in my room with eq'd room and desk resonances.
Etymotic ER2SE are very good, but honestly I think I prefer any 20$ 1DD with eq'd ear canal resonances (typically around 7-8 kHz and 11-12 kHz) and the above eq (possibly slightly adjusted).

Should I go for the innioasis y1?
So far I know it's Android based and has rockbox support, the battery life is quite good (~30 hours of music, similar to other chink dap I owned years ago), has usb-c and a working click wheel. But on the downsides apparently it has a meh quality SD card inside and must be replaced.
But it’s currently 40 dollars. Should I go for it? My hiby r2 II is shitting the bed (battery barely lasts 3 hours). My only concern is about screen readability outdoors, I see no one talking about it.

>>106211692
at that price, along with its features, yes. definitely go for it as it clearly is better than the hiby shit battery garbo.
now I want one of those fake ipods, too

>>106211692
>innioasis y1
Does it have PEQ? Or can you install Poweramp or Wavelet at least?

>>106212078
it says it has custom eq but that's all

>>106212078
It has either jelly bean or kitkat so I doubt you can put poweramp on it unless you find a really old cracked version. Plus iirc you can’t really access to the Android side of the device unless you do some fuckery

I like etymotic IEMs for daily use. I like bullet iems with a response that is at least somewhat neutral, but I don't need audiophile-tier stuff. I'm starting to go on runs and the cables are getting annoying. Having the little wing tip thingy to keep them from moving around too much wile running seems nice.

What are some go-to wireless IEMs in the €100-200 category? Preferably something that'll be easy to obtain from a major brand like Shure, Audio Technica, Sony, etc.

>>106212429
Should probably note I tried Galaxy Buds like 3-5 years ago and hated them. Everything sounded oddly compressed, they were big and clunky, and weren't comfortable. I borrowed a friend's airpods recently and they were comfortable and sounded solid, but fuck Apple, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing them.

>>106211404
Flat in-room just sounds bad. For my 2.1 setup I use harman in-room with 2dB less treble.

>>106212690
>Flat in-room just sounds bad
That's probably true. When I listen to my speakers, then I do not have a flat in-room response. And when I eq an iem to raw DF, then it's only below 3 kHz, above that I only eq by ear. So I also do not have a "flat in-room sound" when listening to my iems.

>>106212429
what phone will you use them with?
there are many options. apple, samsung, sony are the top 3 for wireless, but there are many more affordable options which are decent too. if running, you might want more ipxx rating, transparency/pass-through audio mode, or an earbud / open-ear form factor rather than in-ear.
these are all specific features that'll narrow down what models you can consider

>>106212476
being sold only in white color just goes to show you how much of a faggot shit this is

>>106214249
>the color white oppresses me
piss off

artti r2 master race

>>106214316
nobody said shit about oppression, give a black color option then maybe we can have a deal

lol why is headphone general all just people sperging about IEMs. I checked it out because I was thinking of trying some hd600s

Moondrop Blessing or Elysian Pilgrim?

>>106214669
neither

>>106214646
they need to cause some fuss, otherwise their thread dies
or pretend to hate chifi and recc fiio and hifiman

>>106214646
bahahaha

>>106214646
hpg and iemg are one and the same, but somehow hpg has more concentrated retardation
>I checked it out because I was thinking of trying some hd600s
try it with amazon, the sound is fine, excellent with eq, but there are a few flaws you should be aware of (pad degradation, high clamp)

>>106214768
I really haven't tried headphones outside of the hd280 so have no idea what to expect. Not really sure what to expect, but I want to make sure I test them out before I decide to keep my tanchjim origins

>>106212779
if it measures flat in-room it will be brighter than flat in anechoic chamber (thats what usually is meant when flat speaker is mentioned) and brighter than diffuse field.
>>106214646
because hd580/hd600 series solved headphones over 30 years ago, even back then it was completely adjustable as needed with graphic analogue EQ

>>106214669
neither if possible
>>106214789
isn't ff brighter than df?

It's so weird how western companies are allergic to making wired earphones now. Not everyone wants brain cancer. These used to be a dime a dozen ten years ago and now they're practically extinct.

>>106214811
>isn't ff brighter than df?
i couldn't read, nevermind this

>>106214766
I'm assuming its just one sperg

>>106214811
they're overrated? I wanted to try the pilgrims. Moondrops aesthetic is a turn off

>>106214918
why are you considering them?
why do you want to try them?

>>106214829
nooo, let's make a thing for a niche market that won't give us any beefy profit

>>106214789
>if it measures flat in-room it will be brighter than [...] diffuse field.
If I understand Sean Olive right here (picrel), then 5128 DF is what you get with flat in-room speakers.

I'm looking to buy a new pair of IEM's and i need to make a choice between these two:
>Juzear Defiant
>Truthear Pure

I don't have any specific preference for sound, what i mainly want is for things to sound the way they should and for them to be comfortable for long sessions both in wearing comfort as well as hearing

Kinda bummed that you cant buy a lot of these chink brands on amazon as it'd be an ideal way to just try them out and return if i don't like it.

>>106215352
>what i mainly want is for things to sound the way they should
waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy more complicated than you think
from now on, just focus on things sounding good rather than "correct"
defiant is probably a safer bet

>>106215379
What i meant by that is that i mainly want a neutral sound i guess? nothing overly bass or treble since i listen to a lot of different genres of music as well as play games

I'm by no means someone who's very technical about audio so i wouldn't know what truly 'accurate' or correct sound is

>>106215352
you should see plenty of the budget iem options on amazon.
i think pure is the safer pick. juzear products including defiant have reports of inadequate venting (leading to greater pressure feeling in your ears). pure is also a generally more mild sound

So is the Truthear Pure the mud cannon it appears as on the measurements? Has anyone tried it?

>>106215416
>neutral sound
again, way more complicated than you believe (in fact way more complicated than most people think, this is not solely a (You) problem)
>nothing overly bass or treble
hard to say how you will perceive either
i think the pure will be a bit too relaxed and warm, you won't be blown away by listening to it and it might not be ideal for some games
you can always go cheaper and try out something from op, and they are probably on amazon so you can test some out

>>106215344
something is not right there, diffuse field assumes highly reverberant room, hence its 2nd name reverberant source field
harman reference room is semireflective as far as I remember

>>106215500
source?

>>106215500
nta but while the room is srf, there are so many speakers that it just goes back to df

>>106215500
>something is not right there
Nothing wrong with what you said, but why do you assume that the speakers eq'd to a flat in-room response should not approximate the diffuse field response? Not trying to disagree with you, it's just that I would trust Harman and Sean Olive that these measurements are correct.

edition xs and xv lookin scrumptious!

Is there anything better than the Moondrop Space Travel 2?

In the neutral setting, they are just as good the my sennheiser hd600.

>>106215645
get the fuck out, you posted the same thing on /hpg/, faggot

>>106215052
clarity for vocals and guitars and detail retrieval, as much of a meme as that is I read they were great at that. I also value a natural timbre and like mid bass and upper mids

>>106215892
>clarity for vocals and guitars
this is a result of tuning (FR) which you can change with EQ
>detail retrieval
this is a purely subjective, how you perceive this will differ from how others perceive it
>natural timbre and like mid bass and upper mids
what is your baseline for "natural timbre"
these can also be changed with EQ

What is the GOAT of single DDs?

>>106216187
EA500LM easily.

>>106216187
the cheapest one you can possible find

Anything similar to Waner? I just got mine, tried it and love it. I'm ready to drop cash on several similar cheap IEMs thanks

>>106216187
Any comfy model after EQ
Avoid metal shell condensation slop

>>106216208
shit ass advice. not all metal shell pos 'condensate'

>>106216263
>some high thermal conductivity materials don't cause condensation because they just don't, okay?

>>106216296
I own more than one all metal pos. I also live in a humid part of my country and not once have I encountered 'condensation' issues. do you own all-metal pos? which ones? did they cause those issues for you?

>>106215653
you discovered frequency response accounts for most of preference, and ST2 have good FR. just enjoy them lad.

>>106216207
enjoy your wankers. no need to keep spending money. there are many iems out there, new releases, yearly sales, etc. don't get hooked on consooming.

>>106216432
nta but of every all-metal pos i own, all of them have developped some type of condensation-related problem
only 1 or 2 developped severe channel imbalance, but most of the others have bad filter clogging

>>106216432
You either have condensation on all metal pos or you have it on none. Don't try to overturn physics just because someone implied your favorite pos has an issue.

>>106216703
>overturn physics
you just don't get it. I've never had this problem and the climate here is humid most of the year.
what part of that do you not understand? overturn physics, get the fuck outta here

>>106216876
>You either have condensation on all metal pos or you have it on none.

>>106216876
do you not understand how condensation works?

>>106216882
so metal pos condensation is situational, do you agree?

>>106216919
enough to know that not all metal pos have condensation issues.

>>106216932
No. You either have condensation on all metal pos or you have it on none. There's no such thing as >>106216263
>not all metal shell pos 'condensate'

>>106216949
>no such thing.
then why don't my metal pos have issues to this day, in spite of living in a humid climate?

did shartur throw the towel

>>106216999
You don't use them as much as others or don't perspirate as much.

>>106217039
I use them every day.
welcome to contradicting yourself and making it clear you're arguing my point while pretending you're not.

>>106217004
No. PEQdB is being negotiated for a few million dollars in Silicon Valley.

>>106216949
That is an issue with metal pos but it is avoidable. Blon BL05 and KZ ED9 (the old non-Pro model did oxidize like the Chu 2) never had issues after using them, often right after getting out of the shower for 3-4 years.

Only had issues with the Moondrop spaceship, that one had the channel imbalance with two separate models, likely due to using them after showering.

>>106217244
>few million dollars
I knew it was worthless

>>106217147
Search "your pos" + "channel imbalance" and you'll find clogged pos. You are contradicting reality itself.

>>106217287
>Avoid metal shell condensation slop
>Don't try to overturn physics
>You don't use them as much as others or don't perspirate as much.
>I got nothing, just google it.
10/10 debate


it's "perspire", btw.

>>106217345
Just ask chatgpt what's the constant and the variable in the situation when two people use the exact same pos and one gets it clogged and one doesn't.

>>106217370
how's that a dig when you just told me to google something for you?
just give up.

>>106217403
I thought LLMs could use google, what's the problem.

>>106217413
you've been squirming a little too much, I'll let ya be lol

>>106217426
I accept your concession.

>>106217431
bitch you're wasted

I want a bass cannon with loud vocals and relaxed treble and can't decide between Tea Pro ($369), ISN H60 ($349) and ISN Neo 5 ($289). Any suggestion?

>>106216207
Truthear Gate. Sounds basically the same but it has slightly better clarity and a bit less sibilance.

>>106216187
Fiio FD15

>>106216187
g10 with ralsei faceplate.

>>106217523
use the eq guide, but if you want to spend money the neo 3/5 are decent, although i think the tea pro is a better all rounder

>>106217638
I have tried EQing but I'm not a full believer in it. I prefer only doing minor adjustments with EQ.

Thanks. How does the bass compare between them in the ear? Which one can you feel more?

>>106217720
>I have tried EQing but I'm not a full believer in it. I prefer only doing minor adjustments with EQ.
then you should probably read the eq guide
>Thanks. How does the bass compare between them in the ear?
the neos are bassier and more relaxed than the tea pro if that's what you prefer
n5 is bassy but clean, along the lines of the tea2, while the n3 has more body and oomph to the bass at the expense of muddiness
the tea pro doesn't lag far behind and the rest of the midrange and treble is good, not bright/forward but not recessed like what i heard with the neos

IEM shopping for today, how'd I do?

Did my IEM shopping for today, how'd I do?

>>106217866
embarassing
>>106217882
>not wanker 2
ew

>>106217748
give up nobody will ever read eq guide

>>106217914
nobody will buy the lm, might as well leave this place since you don't have any other pos

Remember to buy Yuki Umbrela!

>>106217949
holy rent free lmao
gptzo is truly the goat

>>106217951
Quick poll for my Sistas
Would you buy a Queen umbrella?
No promises, but this is very feasible.

>>106217951
Can an umbrella get clogged?

remove the eq guide from the op, useless garbage

>>106218132
Useless for your neovagina.

>>106218154
stay mad pagpagfag

>>106217882
just. enjoy. it.

>>106217949
nta, but you're confusing people.
now you got three anons on your ass.

you remember when anon started an argument with himself and still lost? don't be him

so we're finally past this edgy shitty "techs are fr hurr durr" phase now?
can we actually talk about pos and not just cheapshit chink toys?

>>106218262
Yes, simzo learned that csd is just fr and gave up.

>>106218262
define "techs" now

>>106218291
nobody gave up on shitting on 'fr is everything' or 'you can eq techs', and of course, 'driver quality isn't a thing and 'price does not equal performance' when plenty of sets prove otherwise.
it's why you can't help but shit yourself when you instigate this very interaction every night. you're consistently never taken seriously by anyone else

should I? really tempted to pull the trigger
>>106211692
does it work with android auto?

>>106218291
>>106218359
you guys are just so obsessed with trying to prove that your limited experience applies to everyone
just buy good sets and you'll hear the difference

>>106218377
>says driver quality is a thing
>the thing is actually just fr

haven't seen foxzo in a minute
give us a sign please

>>106218389
Nigga you have 1 secondhand IEM, go to a canjam or something.

>>106218386
it's tangzu sister brand, you'll get wan'er driver with a fancy goofy shell

>>106218392
it's your mantra and literally nobody else's.

>>106218406
should I just wait to see the graph/reviews?

>>106218404
ok now you're just projecting
wrong anon too, rent free lmao

>>106218468
Too many headfi readers with no IEMs, sorry.

>>106218468
he's a nutjob, thinks he knows everything.

>>106218462
You can admit that driver quality is just the price. Or you can keep naming things(IR/CSD/square wave) that are actually just FR. These are your only options.

>>106218607
you're only forcing yourself to reduce so much nuance to one stupid measurement.
let me correct you. my stance is not price=driver quality, it's driver quality=noticed. if you weren't so deaf and shit at eq, you could tell the difference. so you cope.

>>106218651
Insane projection of an autoeq user.

>>106218651
>driver quality=noticed
So faceplate is driver quality, gotcha.

>>106218377
>when plenty of sets prove otherwise
studies are done on hundreds of sets not "plenty" and they prove that sound quality does not correlate with price

>>106218463
shouldn't that be obvious?

>>106218651
what does EQ have to do with it lol?

>>106216187
origin

>>106218389
>just buy good sets and you'll hear the difference
2 people try the same IEM. One can clearly hear soundstage one can not. Explain?

>>106217914
kek

>>106218262
Been here for a month or so and I have to ask what the fuck pos stands for because I'm just reading it as "piece of shit" every time

>>106218779
thats exactly what it stands for

>>106218738
>sound quality does not correlate with price.
I'll continue to clarify, that's not my talking point and I never said that.

techs finally revealed

>>106218889
>techs finally revealed
diagram literally shows that focusing on only FR oversimplifies everything.

>>106218924
Wanna see a diagram that IR/CSD/square wave are just FR again?

>>106218934
FR doesn't cover psychoacoustics.

>>106218934
wanna tell me how a sine wave correlates with actual recorded sounds first?

>>106218959
Through Fourier transform. Duh.

>>106218958
Psychoacoustics is the study of FR.
>inb4 interaural things that IEMs never affect

>>106218889
A version for dummies.

>>106218889
>>106218924
>IR is FR
>whole right side is not important due to minimum phase properties
wooooooowzers

>>106218975
It's the study of the physiology of hearing with the psychology of sound perception. Measurements don't change their perception at different SPLs like humans do.

>>106219004
Sharur and many people proved that we can hear phase differences, and group delay is a thing in-room. Try again.

>>106219011
If only we could graph how different frequencies change their relative SPL..........................

techs are...
psychoacoustics??

>>106219021
You don't hear phase differences. When you invert polarity you hear the bottom part of the waveform instead of the top part, if the waveform is asymmetrical you can hear a difference. Pure phase difference, like from an all-pass filter - inaudible.
>group delay is a thing in-room
Inaudible.

>>106219021
that absolute polarity shit is so retarded but it is funny seeing its ripples throughout the whole hobby

>>106219026
That info is not stored in an IR. How difficult is it to understand that? And it's not like anyone is showing measurements with that in mind.
>>106219064
>You don't hear phase difference
>if the waveform is asymmetrical you can hear a difference
lmao
>Inaudible.
Citation needed.

>>106219103
>That info is not stored in an IR
I know it sound crazy, but that info is not stored in the IEM at all.
>And it's not like anyone is showing measurements with that in mind.
There are literally measurements of that. It's just you are the one being measured.

>armchair audio engineer midwit off pt 6 million
lol

>>106219137
fuckin kek

>>106219103
>Citation needed.
The existence of crossovers depends on the fact we don't hear phase.

>>106218872
>'driver quality isn't a thing and 'price does not equal performance' when plenty of sets prove otherwise.
really now?
okay so your "I'm getting assfucked and backpedaling" point now is
>it's driver quality=noticed. if you weren't so deaf and shit at eq, you could tell the difference
which is just as stupid.

>>106218924
you are so dumb

>>106219128
Your replies barely make any sense to my point. Kinda pointless keep going when you can't understand English.

And btw, equal-loudness is just an approximation using pure tones, it'd be different with complex signals such as music.
>>106219164
https://youtu.be/2VVC2MM6QMM

>>106219027
Based techs: fucked up FRs, high distortion.
Objective techs: HRTF matching, hearing loss compensation, acoustic impedance, volume, ambient noise.
Cringe techs: believing anything that the manufacturer or ecelebs wrote, price brackets.

>>106218958
stop using that term you don't understand what it means

>>106219202
>Your replies barely make any sense
It's because you have no idea what you're talking about. You're also confusing phase and absolute polarity.

>>106219103
>That info is not stored in an IR. How difficult is it to understand that? And it's not like anyone is showing measurements with that in mind.
what the actual point of this argument? talking about psychoacoustics without showing actual research for IEMs and correlations between FR and hearing is pointless
you are just trying to cop out

chuzo is more of an audio engineer than you larpers

>>106219208
yeah that about sums it up lol

>>106219202
Retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffka-hPzug0

>>106219202
>And btw, equal-loudness is just an approximation using pure tones, it'd be different with complex signals such as music.
Different how

>>106219209
You can't even understand the difference between psychology and acoustics.
>>106219224
Breaking news: Absolute polarity is linked with phase.

>>106219202
>he took sharur seriously
ngmi

>>106219208
!!!
PUT IN OP IMMEDIATELY

>>106219265
>You can't even understand the difference between psychology and acoustics.
You literally have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. How is this relevant anyway? Do you have anything of substance to say about psychoacoustics? Why are you using it as an argument? WHAT are you arguing about?

>>106219027
techs happen when your audio is mixed well and when good gear reproduces it, accurately.

>>106219265
Nigga saw inverted polarity displayed as -180 phase shift and thought they are linked. Even more breaking news for you: inverted polarity is minimum phase and is in fact a pure magnitude manipulation. But you'll need to watch a 4 hour video to understand it, and you can't even read a fucking guide.

>saar spreading the words of Shartur
saar, your caste ranking has been elevated

>>106219287
first part is unnecessary

>>106219296
HAH. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT
you little shitstain, you.

>>106219287
>reproduces it, accurately.
what does this entail?

I hereby declare that if you're not listening to clipping doujin unprocessed raw ass vocals with no post processing from an aspiring broke nipponese, then you do NOT have techs.

>>106219264
You're exciting more tones than 1 with music, hence more auditory filters are being excited, and different masking curves. Also, music, for the most part, follows a pink-noise spectrum,the bass is already boosted over the mids and treble, which doesn't make sense in compensating for traditional equal-loudness.
>>106219283
You don't even know what sones are. Please. My point is quite simple: perception differs from absolute measurements because of psychacoustics.

>>106219248
i should check what shitstorm he's brewing in dmp

>>106219304
your retarded "mix matters" opinion is bait.
if mix can't create techs it doesn't matter. Gear matters. You either can hear techs with a specific pos or you can't. Mix has no play in it.
Like literally I dunno how it is still not obvious for you. Techs are FR. Your brain interprets FR in a way that makes you hear techs. That is literally it.

>>106219314
>perception differs from absolute measurements because of psychacoustics.
What does this have to do with IEMs. Different IEMs won't change your equal loudness contours. If you're talking about more sensitive IEMs sounding louder and thus better then no fucking shit sherlock, if only you accounted for that when trying to hear techs.

>>106219314
>traditional equal-loudness.
what do you mean

>>106219305
accurately = you hear the audio's mix as it was produced, not as your gear interprets it.

ok i can accept retards arguing about techs and phase audbility, but i draw the line at 4 decade old topics

>>106219366
If you are not the producer then you don't hear it as it was produced. Even if you have identical gear.

>>106219314
>My point is quite simple: perception differs from absolute measurements because of psychacoustics.
But who is even arguing with this? What is this argument for?

>>106219356
>What does this have to do with IEMs.
Comfort, color of the shell, low/high SPL alter the sound of an IEM in a way that measurement can't show.
>>106219363
ISO 226

Sistas...
Please stop arguing...

>>106219387
>low/high SPL alter the sound of an IEM in a way that measurement can't show.
It alters all IEMs in the exact same way...........

>>106219366
..you get that it is basically impossible to achieve?

>>106219387
>Comfort, color of the shell
Now that's what I call psychoacoustics.

>>106219387
what is none traditional equal loudness then?

>>106219393
Release lost manor.

>>106219400
Wdym? People don't have the same perception or the same hearing sensitivity.
>>106219418
Fletcher-Munson is the outdated version.

>>106219387
>Comfort, color of the shell, low/high SPL alter the sound of an IEM in a way that measurement can't show.
measurements can show FR at your eardrum tho
no matter what color your iem is if you add 5dB at 6k Hz you WILL hear it.

>>106219445
Wait are you arguing for techs or against techs??? I'm confused...

>>106219403
nah bro, you just need to get an accurate 3d scan of the producer's two ears, create a mold in your ear to mimic said ears, wait for your brain to acclimate, then purchase the same speakers they're using, then modify your room to get the same listening position sound.
then repeat that with each performer and mastering engineer too

>>106219455
For techs.

>>106219470
But you are literally proving that techs=FR

>>106219325
bros this is such a gem
>>106217077

>>106219445
>People don't have the same perception or the same hearing sensitivity.
And that individual perception affects all IEMs you hear in the exact same way. How's that techs.

>>106219494
Nobody tell him about grunge.

>>106219376
as not only the producer, but the mixing engineers and recording artists have to assume the listener is using a wide range of gear, whether it's car speakers or pos to enjoy their music.

Changing faceplate of your POS will not change its technical ability

>>106219550
Fact-checked by kilobuck manufacturers: wrong.

>>106219433
Impatient ungrateful fools, and yet I and our Queen still love you.
September.

>>106219508
I think he means some pos sounds better/worse at high/low volume. But this is literally tuning, not even in some roundabout mathematical way.

techs like detail correlate with low IMD (<0.1%), not just FR flatness

Just got these and a Q5K for my phone. Quality is better than my airpod pros but not by that much. Should I return them and get a better/more expensive pair? What should I get? Willing to spend up to $550 if they're much better.

>>106219664
BA pos left the chat.

>>106219667
>Quality is better than my airpod pros but not by that much
then maybe try to learn why
>Should I return them and get a better/more expensive pair?
there is no correlation between price and performance
>What should I get?
eq guide, thankfully free of charge in the op

>>106219664
according to what?

>>106219664
>imd
somehow as bad or even worse than thd for predicting preference
><0.1%
confirmed: every pos has techs