Thread 106208514

>sudo apt full-upgrade -y
>it tries to delete the current kernel for some reason so I ask it to please dont fucking erase the goddamn kernel
>everything fails mid-upgrade because debian got angry after not being able to genocide the kernel. dependencies are all fucked
DONT updoot. Ever. Keep using 12.

I love Yuri.

works_on_my_machine.deb

>>106208514 (OP)
Why upgrade day 1? Wait until people find these retarded issues and they get patched. You're using debian anyway so not like you need le bleeding edge packages right away.

Debian isn't a very good distro for a personal computer. Their hippie ideals are fucking stupid. They make it HARD to get nvidia drivers (in Ubuntu or Mint it's one click)
only recently have they included wifi drivers
which is why you see a steep increase in debian posting... now fa/g/s can install without leaving their parents basement and asking Dad if they can plug into the router with an ethernet cable
in conclusion, debian sucks, it's trash "minimalism"
Mint is a much better choice, it actually works out of the box and isn't a reddit commie distro made by a dude who killed himself over a girlfriend

>>106208514 (OP)
Well anons it's over. After rebooting it just takes me to the BIOS. It was good while it lasted, I enjoyed stability for years
>>106208542
>Why upgrade day 1?
Idk, never had a problem before... I ran out of luck hah

>>106208514 (OP)
using debian as a desktop in 2000+fucking 25 is just a joke

>>106208717
Well then what's the Anon-recommended Linux distro, then? (Apple/Win11 is not an options)

>>106208580
>They make it HARD to get nvidia drivers
retard detected. They literally have a tool called nvidia detect that hand holds you into finding out which driver to install after detecting what cards you have.
>only recently have they included wifi drivers
more proof you're a retard they existed in their repos forever all they did recently was separate them in a separate repo called non-free-firmware. Whereas before they were in the regular non-free repos.

>>106208704
>I ran out of luck hah
sadly yes, anon. I actually tried upgrading from 12 to 13 before the release and it worked perfectly. Guess they dropped the ball in august 9th.

>>106208514 (OP)
I did five upgrades across five completely different systems (desktop, laptop, various vms new and old) the day before the official release without a single issue

>>106208717
Not sure, it always werked fine for me, even after updating. I'm sure I fucked something up myself. Why that didn't happen in previous upgrades? No idea honestly
Unless you mean it because debian is aimed at servers and all that

To all other anons here claiming it works on their machines, I wish you all a happy Debian experience. Live a chill life and remember me bros
I think this might be an opportunity to switch to something else, I don't think fixing this issue (GRUB, I guess) is really worth it... We'll see
Nap time, hopefully the answer will be revealed in my dreams

>>106208580
they suicided him so they could trannify the distro

>>106208514 (OP)
I also got many, many issues with upgrading to debian 13

>on server
dovecot was completely fucked, had to reconfigure everything

>on raspberry pi
no problems, somehow

>on personal computer
somehow the iris driver couldnt load. It kept trying to load the i965_dri driver in its place and did a fall back to llvmpipe software rendering. Needed to generate a xorg.conf file and put this to get it to load the driver

Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "modesetting"
BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection


I also had to do a bunch of shenanigans to get iris installed back again. When trying to get the i965 driver to work, I realized the drivers were indeed in the correct file paths, but they were all broken symlinks pointing to "i965_dri.so" - there wasnt even a file path, it was just the name of the driver. What the fuck.

Somehow this install is still standing. Slightly lower ram usage. Libreoffice has a dark theme for the page by default, other than that I dont see any difference

I uninstalled my kernel the other day, the OS wouldn't boot anymore. No big deal just chroot in.
As long as you install another kernel before shutting down nothing will happen.

>>106208833
I actually manually installed the latest one before rebooting, suspecting something like this might happen lol

>>106208514 (OP)
> surprised that…
> upgrade kills old kernel
> upgrade fails
> upgrade renders disk unbootable and/or damaged beyond economical repair
Sounds like you’re new to linux.
That’s every upgrade ever in the last 20 years for me, and every other linux user I know. Especially ubuntu.

>>106208514 (OP)
Imagine updooting on day 1. What's the rush? Thanks for beta testing I guess.
>>106208717
Then recommend me a Linux distribution that:
>has at least 4 year support for all packages
>has a good track record regarding security and packages just working
>has good package defaults and patches
>doesn't make you jump through endless hoops to get things working because it's so different (looking at NixOS/GuixSD)
Go on.

>>106208514 (OP)
You shouldn't rush upgrade to begin with.

huh, i noticed the upgrade wanted to remove my kernel too. thought it was just me.
although in my case i just.. didn't fucking remove the kernel. guess you shouldn't have just blindly apt full-upgrade -y huh

>>106208874
What can I say? Never had this issue until now. Debian 9 onwards always kept everything in place, when I upgraded to 12 I even remember manually having to upgrade the kernel in particular because it was still using the old one, that being said, after doing so nothing broke at the time
I only used Ubuntu once but I assumed this was similar there too. I guess not, since you mention it breaks so often while upgrading
>>106208899
Fell for it, I thought it would be stable as usual. Lesson learned

>>106208899
>has at least 4 year support for all packages
>has a good track record regarding security and packages just working
see >>106208905

>>106208899
> Imagine updooting on day 1
Thats why linux is not self sustaining, not then, not now, not ever.
You *always* need a Mac or Windows PC to bootstrap (and re-bootstrap when it inevitably shits the bed).
Admit it. You made your bootable usb or iso on your mom or dads Windows PC, didn’t you.

>>106208932
Yeah, I’m going over there now to make a bootable gparted usb drive to see if I can get my stuff back and get running again.
My mom will be happy to see me though, free food, every conceivable cable station, my old room…
The accommodations are 5 star. Not sure why I moved out.

>>106208932
Debian 12 is supported until 2028-06-30, why the fuck would you update?
>You *always* need a Mac or Windows PC
Have you ever heard of "recovery CDs" or "bootable USBs"? You should have them on hand if you don't have multiple machines regardless.

>>106209047
Sometimes you just need to take your linux drives, plug them into a caddy and mount them on Windows to fix them.
There would be less problems if linux had a useful filesystem like ntfs, or hpfs+.
Or, failing that. Just go with FATex or old UFS and make backups. At least it would be fast.

>>106208580
Mint would be great if it offered non-meme desktop environments in the installation media

Just reinstall and copy your backup in

>>106208514 (OP)
and here is your proof that debiantards are just useless with computers and have no idea what they are doing. they don't use debian because muh stable but because they are unable to use a real distro like Arch.

>>106208514 (OP)
Point release bros, come back to the rolling fun. Debian is for the serverbros.

>>106208514 (OP)
upgrading my system right now out of spite

>>106209571
/thread

I ran into issues upgrading ubuntu once, system got rekt. I still reinstalled ubuntu from scratch, but when the time to upgrade came again, I opted to switch to nixos instead. Never had a problem since.

>>106209672
Finished :^) spent a bit of time sidetracked, total computer time taken was like 20 min of downloading/installing on my 8th gen Intel.
Skimmed the handbook (https://www.debian.org/releases/trixie/release-notes/) but really just did this:

Run apt update && apt upgrade to get bookworm up to date
Find and replace "bookworm" with "trixie" in /etc/apt/sources.list (the handbook recommends changing the format of your sources but I didn't bother)
apt update, apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs, check output, and then apt-full-upgrade
Restart, check that everything important is working well, then apt autoremove

Worked well for me except the kernel did not install correctly the first time because of modules that failed to build. Had to boot into the old 6.1 kernel an, remove nintendo from /var/lib/dkms, and rerun apt upgrade. I was then able to reboot into new 6.12 kernel. Besides that, some caches must have been cleared in KDE Plasma as my dock programs were without their normal icons, but they returned to normal after first open. NVIDIA drivers from apt repository work fine.

I didn't do this but running the update in a tty with a multiplexer like tmux or screen would be wise.