Thread 106209261

>Is hyped by everyone evern remotely interested in tech
>is actually as useful as a doorstop

It's useful as a low-power server.
It just can't run x86 operating systems and needs ARM Linux distros to be specially tailored to it.
So it's just a lot worse than a low power mini PC with an Intel or AMD chip.

>>106209337
why would anyone buy this over some used $10 chinkshit router that runs openwrt?

>>106209408
it just werks for teachin' linux, you're privileged at this point and not the core audience of pi
>if you are able to breathe, poop and feed yourself you should be able to get a pi going with the amount of guides, tutorials and videos out there
>every retarded noob problem you can image being an issue along the way, has been discussed in more than a few threads since the dawn of raspbian
>literally convinced you can lock a winslopper in a room with a computer with google and balena, a pi, a powersupply, microsd card & reader, and they should be able to figure it out, if they want to be released
should make a funny saw parody, revenge of the nerds heh

also
>GPIO
>uniform platform & solution also scalable for education, or sadly production (Pi's being used in factories or digital signage, leading to shortages)

>>106209408
you can run linux os on it and build and interface for various uses.

it is redundant by other options if you do not need to scale down but also useful for niche use cases.

It's cool but you need to have a use for it before you buy one. MAINLY because whatever you run needs to have ARM binaries. I bought a couple and use them for low-power servers. VPN servers, small web hosts, sensor masters, stuff like that. They're very useful if you don't want to be running a full x86 platform just for a web server that goes "hi" when you ping it

You hyped yourself i dont see anyone irl talking about them

>>106209694
>MAINLY because whatever you run needs to have ARM binaries
>ARM binaries
you retarded

>>106209261 (OP)
Got one but found just regular microcontrollers were better for electronic shit

>>106209261 (OP)
>is actually as useful as a doorstop
only if you're retarded or non-white

>>106209874
Sorry you're so upset

Raspberry Pis are being used (professionally) for embedded purposes quite a lot actually.

>>106209889
it's just a friendly advice. they are not for everyone.

they're ok but if you just want to play with electronics uarts/i2c/gpios then you might as well get a Zero2W and if you actually want to run games on it then the 5 is massively overpriced compared to rivals or even actual minipcs.

Making Linux distros that's not raspbian work is a pain in the ass if you have to deal with uboot and device trees. If you're going to all that effort you might want to look at better walnutpi or radxa SBC hardware.

>>106209408
It's no router, its a full computer. Use a router where you want to route, use a full computer where you need a computer. It's not that hard.

It can be useful and it can be fun.

Anything else is a skill issue.

>>106209261 (OP)
I have one (2) running as my print and scan server. And one (3) as a Pihole. A third one (4) as my passive cooled media center and media NAS in the bedroom where I don't want a PC with a fan.

>>106209261 (OP)
Low power versatile edge computing.

>>106209943
>print and scan server
ok
>Pihole
snake oil. also, why not run it on the print server?
>media center
these things are horrible for that, unless you are fine with 1080p (and even that's a stretch when streaming online)
>media NAS
ok

>>106209965
>snake oil. also, why not run it on the print server?
Because the print server doesn't always run and it's on Wifi.
>these things are horrible for that, unless you are fine with 1080p (and even that's a stretch when streaming online)
I am fine with 1080p. What else?

if you don't need gpio then just get a used dell or lenovo office minipc and enjoy that PC x86 just werkz compared to ARM bullshit.

>>106209977
Takes twice as much power.

>>106209986
>idles at 6w instead of 3w
I'll live.

>>106209977
>>106209996
/thread

>>106209996
>I have a computer running just so that it can idle

Would it be a good option for a jellyfin server?

>>106209261 (OP)
I don't get it. It costs as much as a mini PC while being nowhere as powerful or compatible. What else is it? The GPIO? That seems like something you could buy a USB version for any PC for $3 from china.

>>106210012
i thought they're like $40-$50

>>106210006
>(You) have a rasnigger bye just so that it can idle
usecase?

>>106210012
>It costs as much as a mini PC
It doesn't. Even the Pi5 in 16GB version.
>compatible
What compatibility do you need that the Pi doesn't have?

>>106210017
those days are long gone

>>106209261 (OP)
these make great audio streamers with mpd and USB DACs

>>106210020
see >>106209965

>>106210017
Depends on the version. The Pi5 16GB is the most expensive with 140 USD. The Pi5 2GB is 50.

>>106210030
Hifiberry looks interesting but at a combined price point of over 200 eurobucks I could just go with a COTS DAC

>>106210051
it will work with any USB DAC you might have laying around. I just connected this puppy to an old RPi2 and it works fine, including hires flacs.

>>106209261 (OP)
its incredibly useful for a ton of things, the RPi5 is powerful enough to be a great NAS and the very low power consumption makes it cheaper than most other solutions long term.
Rpi4 can run pihole + wireguard + a whole arr-stack, there are shitloads of uses for them.

>>106210024
Intel N100 servers blow the socks off the Pi 5 and if you take into accoun all the extra hardware you need to make the Pi 5 actually work, they're about the same price.
If you're willing to buy used efficient servers, it's over.

>>106209261 (OP)
that thing can solve a lot of problems, you're just not doing shit, so you don't find out lmao

>>106210051
a DAC+ with a cheap zero should get you to 50 bucks or smth https://www.hifiberry.com/shop/boards/hifiberry-dacplus-rca-version/

>>106210143
Who wants to put a Rpi where they need a server? Completely different usecases and for that the Rpi is still cheaper.

>>106210143
>I don't understand I/O
bruh, CPU running loonix is but a part of a raspberry pi. there's a lot of things to be done with shields, or just GPIOs in general. odroid h3/4 doesn't even have i2s on its header.

>>106209788
That's the way it goes.

>>106209788
if you don't need an full linux OS then just get an ESP32 board ideally RISC-V -C6, or -C3 or Xtensa -S3 variants.

>>106209261 (OP)
is bro from 2013? haven't really heard about them since then

>>106209408
For the expansion header. All the niftyness of a MCU with the grunt, flexibility and capaciousness of a MPU.

>>106209261 (OP)
It's good for tinkering and building your own little, customized to your own needs devices. This is literally it's main purpose. It's useless for people that don't care about tinkering.

>>106209774
he's right tho

>>106209261 (OP)
you have no imagination or creativity whatsoever. like an actual real life npc.

>>106209261 (OP)
My buddy made me realize there's one good reason to choose these over the mini PCs that I like to use. At least for a home server that runs 24/7

He didn't want anything with a fan because fans can fail and make noise, which attracts the attention of wives.

>>106210247
you can add gpio to any pc with a usb device, only thing you won't have is hardware interrupts.

or if you've got a parallel port card you could go oldschool and use that for gpio.

>>106209788
Depends on what you're doing. Reading temperature sensors? Arduino/EPS32/etc. Running a database that stores temperature measurements? Raspberry pi.

>>106209986
A PC may be more power efficient for some uses since it can go to sleep, whereas a Pi doesn't have a sleep state.

>>106209261 (OP)
Jack of all trades, master of none

>>106209261 (OP)
Serious question. Why would I get that instead of a mini PC like HP or a NUC?

>>106209774
he's talking about the required blobs for ARM, which fucked it up. why latest kernel doesn't run on the shit Raspberry Pi clones. hope RISC-V doesn't end up the same :/

>>106209261 (OP)
can any microcontrollers do x86 yet wtf?? it's 2025

>>106210428
does I2C/I2S/SPI? but it's still dumb, another shit connected, any shield will have awkward mounting, extra cable, usb conversion in the way, bleh

>>106210526
if you gotta ask it's not for you

>>106210554
well then I guess I'll keep using my NUCs kek, have fun

>>106209874
Its funny how 50 iq chuds always think "non-white" is some kind of argument. First of all, you aren't even white, your probably some brazilian in some favela or some russian killing time before get blown up on the front lines by a drone.
Secondly, if you are trying to imply non white people are retarded, you already called him retarded, so youre just repeating yourself, against exposing yourself for a low iq chud.
- autism off

>>106210563
keep seething brownie

>>106210526
if you want to interface with custom hardware the pi has much better options built in
if you just want to run a linux server the pi is fuckin dumb when an optiplex 3040 micro is 50 bucks max with a case, heatsink, fan, and real storage

>>106210492
Most people use them as servers and don't want to to go into sleep mode.

>>106210560
exactly

Think these would be good for a stealth pc/server. There's lots or these that draw under 1W idle. This opens up a LOT of opportunities to scavenge power in buildings or other sources like usb ports on printers, tvs, Peltier module on heat pipes or radiators etc. Trickle charge a 18650 to keep it running.


Out in the bush or survival mode etc you can use a tiny solar cell to charge battery for it. You can even use 2 plates of dissimilar metals, put them into the ground and you've got a soil battery to draw from for a while.
>>106209408
Use it as a full pc that can run on minimal power. Could be useful as a headless remote pc in some location, ftp server, whatever etc.

>>106210540
Sbcs? Yes. They cost money. Mcus? Never heard of one

>>106209977
>comparing the price of a new Pi with a used minipc
vaguely amusing but irrelevant.

>>106209996
Under 1W for many SBCs, under 250mE for some mcus like esp32 with wifi on, 66mW with it off which you can use as a specific server for some tasks. Full load+wifi maybe like 1W

>>106210143
>Intel N100
Intel n97 and n200 are superior

>>106210563
>chud
>- autism off
More like reddit off, faggot

>>106210428
>Adafruit
No

>>106210921
i was about to buy a ribbon cable extender from them. any reason i shouldn't?

>>106210930
> A Minority and Woman-owned Business Enterprise (M/WBE)
DEI

>>106209408
Most router CPUs are total dogshit, and heavily rely on hardware acceleration. They also use cheap ass flash storage, so if you need to write a lot, the router will die in months.

>>106209594
>>106209934
What do you think is a consumer router, if not just a shitty Linux SBC?

>>106210878
I'd love a N200 ITX or mini-ATX mobo with plenty of SATA action.

>>106209261 (OP)
Nah they're great, I only moved to custom intel build because I want to run synology os and I'm not giving synology any more money.
If you're technically inclined those chink boards are way cooler than e-waste mini intel pc.

>>106210779
Old Android phones with PostmarketOS are way cheaper.

>>106209261 (OP)
i have rpi 2, 3,4,5

i dont use any of them, used them for retro gaming, but i dont even bother anymore

>>106210779
>get some random sbc
>second hand ssd from some markets or usb flash drive
>hide it in some shopping mall and have it connect to free wifi
>script to auto rotate Mac address and other details
>run public webserver
>drop epstein files onto it
>let other people upload whatever they like
>watch glowies lose their minds tracking it back to mall and not being able to figure out where it's coming from
Sounds like fun desu

>>106211032
Esp32 and pi picos are very specific, but cheaper and lower power draw. An old phone could work, it depends where you get the phone from, and if you don't want it being traced back to you

>>106211032
>>106211085
For example, pi pico, esp32, etc are all tiny, low power draw, you can add some flash memory and embed it inside something else, eg if you had access to a router you could open it up, attach it to the board and solder power to v+ and gnd etc, and lan access via one of the ports to keep it hidden from RF sniffing.

There's so many things that use power you could put it inside anything. A directional antenna for wifi can also help hide it from rf triangulation

>>106209261 (OP)
It runs Doom

>>106211235
so does a toothbrush. doesn't mean anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-Are8053g

>>106210999
RPIs are a bit more. They have USB, PCIe (with the 5), more RAM, GPU, HDMI,

>>106210596
twice as white with double your iq but keep trying

>>106209261 (OP)
I just think they're neat.

>>106211756
this post is oozing brown insecurity

It would be nice if they shipped these things with onboard UEFI firmware, so you could boot generic OS images.

>>106209261 (OP)
I really like the $5 0w ones ($3.14 on pi day) but now it's like $100 for a 5? Falls into the stupid gap imo.

Anyone else boughted the rpi IPO last year? I got 200 shares and was up 100% around xmas but it dropped back down to my average :( :sadge:

>>106209261 (OP)
Doorstops are pretty useful though
Liquid paper is useless

>>106209975
1080p is complete insanity. You're living like a sub saharan african. Get a fanless mini pc with 4k output.

>>106209408
lol because a router comes with less storage space than a raspberry pi has in ram? are you slow?

>>106209977
It's a good option, but I advise against getting used office shit in general because of how abused it will be. I've bought a Goodwill PC with the same intention before, the motherboard died after a year. I guess it's fine if you don't mind having to reinstall all your shit every few months, but I need something that's more permanent.

>>106209261 (OP)
It's very useful if you are good in electronic. Which is *not* the case for 99% of tech enthusiasts.
It's a people issue, not a tech issue.

>>106210787
>Sbcs
which sbc do you recommend that does x86 and can run windows

>>106209774
not retardfed btw

I already have a 5 and a Zero 2W and it's not enough. I still need more.

>>106209261 (OP)
>interested in tech
Here is the full complement of what you need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCsEiH-IRfI

>>106209261 (OP)
The shitberry 5 supports precision time protocol so it can be useful as a GPS NTP server.

>>106210441
>Running a database that stores temperature measurements? Raspberry pi.
If you're smart you just install proxmox onto a small but still powerful thin client that you upgraded with tons of RAM, and run your machines on there.

>>106217179
>upgraded with tons of RAM
And you think that is cheaper?

>>106217268
Cheaper than buying a couple shitberries, yes

>>106212848
5 has a pretty nice CPU all things considered, and I see it for 67 EUR with shipping included, in the EU, but lowest 2GB RAM version.
unless you need the 5's power any of the older ones are good to have around for your random need.
>>106213153
yeah but still 1 port. for routers I'd get an Odroid H4 with a NIC addon. not that far off in price from a raspbeery pi 5.

>>106209261 (OP)
cool but BADLY overpriced for what it offers. the "tech community" glazed it for years leading to shortages driving the price way higher than what it should be. these things should basically be free at this point

If I have a retropi image all perfected for a raspi 4b will it shit a brick if I swap the sd card into a 5 for better performance? I envision a linux command line nightmare and having to redo it all from scratch

>>106209261 (OP)

where did i place my walkman again
maybe i buy fiio

A stepping stone to more serious server shit? It's nice to actually own the hardware and it isn't a complete resource hog.

>>106210035
for a few years you couldn't get a pi under 300$

>>106210978
if they are the cheapest way to get a product, they are doing their business right, if they suddently charge 3x the next lowest seller and tell you buy me because there is a black person who takes it in the ass from a tranny on the board of directors, then thes dei done wrong.

looking at some of their controllers, they are still doing a pretty ok job at selling things cheap.

a ribbon cable may be more expensive from them but if its an add on item, it is probably cheaper so get everything from a single source

>>106210243
>Who wants to put a Rpi where they need a server?
I ran a Pi4 as the main router for a ~20 employee office for over a year.
It also served as an HTTP/S caching proxy, OpenVPN server and client, and WiFi AP.

>>106210012
>It costs as much as a mini PC
You're comparing a brand new device to a free device, and then use the price alone to decide that free is better?
Retards like you is why I can't take any RPi criticism seriously, it always sounds like children crying because they can't pay for icecream from the store and instead have to scrape the free icecream that someone dropped on the ground.
>inb4 it's not free
The original owner gave it away for free. You're too stupid to even get it for free so you pay someone to scrape that free icecream for you.

>>106210530
>why latest kernel doesn't run on the shit Raspberry Pi clones
It usually does on established vendors like Radxa, Pine64 or Orange Pi, it just takes time before device tree is made. You just need to check if the device tree is present in kernel (easiest to just go to linux github mirror and search SBC name).

>Actually useful as various servers, for robotics, as a sensor, as a display driver, midi controller, etc...
>But since it's anon, it can't be used for anything :)

>>106220628
People like you forget that much of the value is in the promise of keeping this in production for many years to come, which is why half the volume goes to the professional market.

>>106209408
Cheap ARM practice test bed. Perfect for reverse engineering, assembly, and other fun home projects w/o taking up a lot of space.

Really most of its uses are going to be above /g/'s knowledge since most here are at the normie/beginner level of tech knowledge.

>>106209689
Only useful in running CCTV systems, smaller seedboxes and probably a server for your books passwords and shit

>>106209261 (OP)
> worse SoCs are sold in music gear worth thousands of dollars
> ZOMG! TAKE MY MONEY!1
> somehow his schizophrenic and compulsive lying is now reality
please kill yourself.

At this rate of releases, we should see RPi 6 later this year or in 2026.

>>106209261 (OP)
I will buy one when they can run reliably run AI, other than that I'm not autistic enough to play with it and i already have router thanks.

I will buy one when they can reliably run AI, other than that I'm not autistic enough to play with it and I already have router, thanks.

>>106225346
what AI hardware did you boughtered?

>>106209261 (OP)
I found shit like esp32 more useful than those single board computers.
And I I need one I will not be getting raspberry.

>>106210012
>>106210017
Alt brands like orange pi are cheaper these days while also being a bit stronger. As for use case over a minipc? This uses far less power to run 24/7.

>>106211032
>PostmarketOS
qrd?

>>106209337
Odroid h4 invalidate this thing's entire existance. We already have x86 boards around the same price with less hassle setting up because it has all the needed IO with less autistic tinkering.
They also have the same relative power draw while doing more.
The pi needs to drop down to 40-60 for it to be justifiable anymore

>>106209261 (OP)
It's useful if you have a stuff to create or do with it, which is hard for brain dead consumer who want to pretend they are hackers for buying stuff they have no idea what to do shit with.

You really need a thread for that ? What are you even doing on /g/, go watch tik tok or something.

>>106209261 (OP)
Back in 2011 when it was first released it was a nice novelty, a cheap pocket sized computer that could play h264 movies, and of course GPIO pins for hardware projects that didn't require you to learn what is a microcontroller.
Now the mainline Raspberry Pi has very few use cases that can't be accomplished with a used miniPC or a much cheaper chinese clone. Much more useful is the Raspberry Pi Pico, a very cheap and powerful microcontroller that has widespread adoption and tons of hardware projects are written with that in mind including, but not limited to, hardmodding consoles.

>>106209408
i like low power machines for apps
like i like to physically sit at say "the red desk" and play Tetris (that's all it has!!!)

typing game, the blue desk! that's all it has on it!!!

this is much easier psychologically than one machine, many apps.

with the old ibm pc and apple ii and commodore and amigas, yeah poor people only had one, but loading apps (ie switching tasks) was SLOOOOOW

self control really means walking awat from seduction. away from the ice cream shop to the salads and more shop. walking

physically walking.

physical distance adds a hump between succombing to dumb shit that doesn't exist with fast multitasking

>>106210017
Check price here:
https://rpilocator.com/

>>106225978
cool recommend me different models for single use, and setup eg do you need the $1,000,000 power supply?

my idea is like arcade machines, but also for apps, like no networking open ofgice calc.

>>106226023
Buy a odroid H4 instead and handle the task of multiple pi on one machine.
Fucking thing is a scam until they get real with the prices like they did at the beginning. It's fucking arm and typically single use

>>106226044
yeah, im leaning towards just using used pc parts instead lol

>>106226044
is the $25 power supply a good/honest deal?

and how well does stuff run on this?

>>106225657
Real mainline Linux on phones. HW support varies phone by phone. But usually good enough to run as an SBC.

>>106209951
can it edge me tho?

>>106226131
>as an SBC.
a wat

>>106226104
You only need the more expensive one to run the h4 ultra and you can buy one at your preferred retailer too
I have a self hosted home server running on one with 3 16tb hdd, Works great for me and it sips power.
I also got the plus and use it as my opnsense router with the network card. It works great.

There is also a $20-$30 shipping fee from Korea just be mindful of that, I still think it's a good starting point for learning and or having a low power homeserver just plan out what you want based on the cores. I use proxmox on my server which I put in a itx case

>>106226159
Single board computer. Like a Raspberry Pi.

>>106226164
>3 16tb hdd
in jbod mode?

>>106226081
I think that's also a good idea if my old machine wasn't a energy hog I would have made it a server. I'm confused on to why intel didn't update it's i3 desktop series, but I'm sure you can grab a low power ryzen, most of the fun stuff you can make doesn't require crazy specs
>>106226202
I got a node 304 for that, those Chinese brands that sell small enclosures for nas have horrible cooling for the drives

>>106226202
>jbod mode
Sorry I read that as another brand 2 for mirror 1 for backup with a plan for the 4th to be used for remote. I don't need speed just reliability

>>106226131
cool, the two phones I have lying around aren't fully supported but they might be in the future. I'll keep an eye on that. Seems like a fun weekend

>>106226232
neat, how do you setup mirror in linux? or in the bios?

>>106226301
I used proxmox to organize everything and made the array in my trunenas instance. I'm still starting out myself with all of this but it works great

>>106226261
any idea if there is a no wifi no bt version of the "Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W" like non-W maybe?

>>106209261 (OP)
>3.3V IO
>ZERO protection agenst accedents
into the trash it goes!

>>106226416
explain

>>106209261 (OP)
if you don't know how to make a pi useful it's more of an indictment of your skill level than the sbc

>>106226632
It's hard when competing brands can do what 2-4 pi can do on a single board.

>>106226394
got the wrong guy mate, i dont know anything about those

i do literally everything on mine, and costs under 10 bucks a year in electricity if i never turn it off even once

sorry you're buttblasted and too stupid to figure it out

>>106226044
So what is the support like on Odriod, Orange Pi and the other Chinese SBCs?

>>106226826
It's a intel board you can do whatever you want

>>106226813
Looks like you're stuck with an ancient kernel.

>>106226153
you need to install emacs with the teledildonics package then connect it to something

>>106226916
>x86 (not even 64)
can easily install the latest distro with the latest kernel and packages even on a 20+ year old computer
>arm
can't install a new ROM after 3 years tops. can't install a non-obsolete kernel at any point at all. that is assuming the bootloader is not locked and you can even install anything at all.

classic ARM L.

Really no point to these chips until they fix the ecosystem. There really isn't any reason buying these over the x86 counterparts now they do more and actually cost less than the number of pi it would take for the device to use all of it's cores

>>106227349
I have a few SBCs myself and they either work with stock upstream kernels or at least have recent versions.

>>106225685
it's $220 anon

>>106227398
the libre.computer boards are like this

>>106226416
I've never fried one but I must admit that this really adds a non-trivial level of stress when handling metallic things around it.
Why haven't they made that header a female one...

>>106229015
Base model is $90 and yes the 220 model this can do the job of 6-8 pi at once

>>106226647
No, they can't. Other boards are electronic waste, with nonfunctional GPUs and zero vendor support beyond the ancient Ubuntu release they ship with originally.
None of the "more powerful" boards have functional video stacks, you're extremely lucky to get a basic unaccelerated framebuffer from that "4k 120Hz 9kilobillion TOPS AI" GPU.

>>106229307
Please read the above post and learn about virtualization

Since getting into hobby electronics its amazed me how fucking much we pay for finished products. The upcharge is insane
Also esp32s are so fucking good.

Pi400 has been running some servers for me locally and hosting a discord bot for my friends. I love the form factor. Thinking about grabbing a pi5 of some flavour.

>>106210011
Not really, hard drives over usb are not the most stable and pi has very little transcoding capability. Not to mention ram requirements if you have a huge library.

>>106226416
(You) are the only accident, ESL thirdworlder

>>106229856
npc moment

>>106229336
You make no sense.

>>106229362
I have a bunch of ESP32 boards but no idea how to program them. I want to integrate them into HomeAssistant as simple binary sensors and relays.
Got any tips?

>>106222961
This.

>>106224719
I skipped the 5, hopefully 6 brings some goodies like 6GHz WiFi and USB-PD for input power, maybe an onboard M.2 slot.

is pi just a gateway drug to learning microcontrollers

price cant be this big
old deprecated tech win

>>106227349
mainline works fine with raspi os.
https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-6.16.y
got arch on mine with 6.12 atm. non-issue

>>106230766
ah shit my bad that was orangepi bullshit. that thing is on ded kernel

>>106229287
Is it better than a N100 or some used i7 sff or even laptop? Besides power consumption?

>>106231236
>Besides power consumption?
here is deprecated phones for $20