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Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series (especially X230, T440p and T480, those are the best pads for bucks) if you want the Real Business Experience™
Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support
>Trackpoint (why the fuck wasn't this in the general before? that's the only reason to get a thinkpad in 2025 honestly)

ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40, T41, T42
>IBM/Lenovo Transition: T43, T60, T61 (T42 - T43: significant difference in specs)
>"Classic" Lenovo: T400, T410, T420 (T61 - T400: 4:3 to 16:10)
>Transition to old modern: T430, T440, T450 (T420 - T430: membrane to chiclet)
>Old modern: T460, T470, T480 (T450 - T460: significantly less thick)
>New modern: T490, T14g1, T14g2 (T480 - T490: design change)
>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)

By posting you denounce anime

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/downloads.html
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/
https://canoeboot.org/docs/install/

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera
#/tpg/ on rizon

>>106209378 (OP)
is it worth it to get the quad core CPU upgrade for the x230 in current year? For the same price as the motherboard I can get a nicely spec outed t480 which will have better displays and much better igpu.

hey bros I undusted my old as fuck T430, already capped its ram, have a proper ssd rumning with an extra hdd on a caddy for extra storage.
Im trying to get an i7 procc to upgrade it but that aside what else I can upgrade outside the display/fan/keyboard?
which docking station is compatible with it?
anything else I need to know to get the best of this amazing motherfucker?

>>106209906
>what else I can upgrade
Wifi card, battery, maybe yet another drive (2230/2242 NVMe) through an ExpressCard adapter
>which docking station is compatible with it?
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Mini-Dock_Plus_Series_3

>>106209978
>no hdmi port
lenovo really used to hate that port back then... I guess I need to fetch one of those vga2dhmi adapters then

>>106209906
you can upgrade the WiFi card to a wifi7 one with BT 5.4

>>106210029
it's cause display port is better for desktops

>>106212984
*monitors

What thinkpad would be a safe bet? I just want something I can mess around with an put linux on. Ideally something very customizable if I ever might find use for that. I know the newr models of "thinkpad" are more and more like the computers the old ones set themselves apart from.

why do you faggots keep making duplicate threads?

>>106213280
I made the thread first, the tranny didn't like it so he made his own

Sorry to double, didn't notice there are two threads.
I'm buying my first laptop ever and I need some explanation. What exactly is so good about them thinkpads? like I'm standing before choice of lenovo's T14 gen5 and Acer Nitro V16 budget """gayming""" that has about same everything but 2'' more and actual gpu to sport twice as big ssd and a bunch of stuff, and the only exception is thunderbolt I guess. Yet T14 is 50% mroe expensive.
What exactly is the magic here? Explain this to me like I'm four years old.

>>106214023
Good keyboards, great build quality, expandable and upgradable, that track point. Not hard to see why people would like a thinkpad

>>106214044
I've never held these things in my hands, I am not trying to deningrate them or anything, I'm just going by the specs and they got me confused. I don't even game much these days and when I do it's certainly nothing I need amazing gpu for so.
How upgradable and expandable are we talking?

>>106214113
Very (depending of the model) thinkpads like the t480 has upgradable WiFi/BT, ram, ssd, keyboard (t25 mod), battery, and has a extra sata drive slot.

>>106213273
Mostly safe bets by budget
<$50: T420(s)
<$100: T440p, X270, T470, T460p
<$200: T470p, T480(s), T495
<$300: T14G1a

None of these are fully foolproof, each model has at least one spec that you can get wrong such as ugly screen, previous-gen CPU, undersized battery.

>>106215484
Thanks.
Also, any advice on not messing this up, be it with their parts or whatever have you, or just anything to be an educated thinkpad user? I've made a few posts about it in these threads but I got a T450 that was kind of a scam and doesn't work, and a T420 that wouldn't turn on which I returned to it's seller (both the sellers were a bit fishy and I should have used soemthing like ebay), so I've had my brush ins with Thinkpad problems. I know you kinda just have to run into walls and learn, to some degree, but I really went into it like a complete and total pleb.

>>106214023
Nothing super major really, it’s that they’re really economical to get used because of the business lease cycle.
A big company buys every one of their locations 20-30 laptops at a bulk discount, uses them for 3-5 years, and turns them all back in.
First party resale takes place, but anything that isn’t flawless goes off to recyclers. The recyclers clean the data off the machines and resell them.
But, there’s way more laptops than there are buyers so they dump them at stupidly low prices that are still above their scrap value they paid for them.
You end up being able to laptops a few years old that you can get specced high enough to btfo modern entry level for even less money than modern entry level. A T420 at its peak volume sales point was cheaper than an HP stream (or any cheap consumer laptop) was new at the same time and completely shit stomped it in performance and features.

Combine this with these being business hardware, they’re built well, they’re made of nice materials, they have good features and are made to survive heavy use.

This pertains to all model lines too. Compare a Thinkpad P50 to an equivalent skylake + Maxwell era gaming laptop. A P50 will have a 6700HQ or equivalent Xeon, and an M1000/2000m, which are like GTX 960/970m’s
Compared to any similar spec gaming laptop there’s no contest at all. For less money you get the same or better performance but also get
>a better display
>a better built chassis by far
>substantially better heatsinks, cooler and quieter by a LOT
>better I/o options
>four ram slots
>multiple drive slots for up to 3 ssds at once
Even to this day a P50 is cheaper than a gaming laptop of the same time, performs better, is quieter, has better features and looks like a normal laptop you can bring places without being embarrassed.
And that’s just one example, this applies to most thinkpad generations and product lines.

Though it’s not always thinkpads, this applies to any popular business laptops.

>>106215612
I just try to meet the seller and test before paying. It's useful to have a quick booting live usb of loonix with you. Not much else you can do.

>>106215716
thinkpads were a good deal 5-8 years ago before they got shilled heavily. Now you can find better deals buying other brands instead

>>106215720
also check battery health, it's not worth buying if the battery is not in good condition

>>106215484
T430(s) is better

i am going to open up my T480 tonight to see what's inside. hopefully i don't break it

>>106219382
good luck, learn how to change ssd, ram and repasting your cpu and you're good to go


>>106213857
>I made the thread first, the tranny didn't like it so he made his own
I see, so you're the OP of this one then >>106209369. While >>106209378 (OP)
was made latter by said tranny.

>>106209758
The time when it was worth it has passed for the reasons you stated. Only do it if the classic keyboard is your uncrossable line in the sand. You can even approximate the same footprint in some of the modern 13.3" models.

>>106219665
it was working out of the box but only has 8 GB ram and not a lot of disk space, also ailing batteries.

How many watts are needed to charge a thinkpad laptop? Got a work laptop but forgot the charger there and its closed for the week
Have a 33w tablet charger that "works" but it says slow charge and lost 50% of battery in 3 hours

I've just purchased a thinkpad x390 core i58365u 16gb ram and 256 ssd. What am I in for? I'm excited to install linux lite, tinker around etc.

>>106221734
Depend on your rig but it's usually 65W non-gaming laptop usually has TDP around 65W if you're doing very heavy workload at max brightness.

>>106221734
You just need to let it sit overnight.

>>106221734
Depend on your rig but it's usually 65W. Non-gaming laptop usually has TDP slightly higher than 65W if you stress test it.

>>106221838
>>106221850
Thanks
Luckily I won't work much as it's a calm week, I'll turn it off during lunch break to gain a bit more battery

>>106209758

does not even vga

REAL THREAD
>>106221883

bomp

>>106221734
My E490 was happy with 35W but most others seem to want 40+

Anyone here experienced in restoring old Thinkpads? I got a 380XD in alright condition, it boots and works fine but it's slow as fuck so I'd like to do a clean install. Apparently these have heatsinks and fans so judging by the last date timestamps on it it's been a good 2 decades without a cleaning.

Any tips or guides? For taking it apart and cleaning I mean. Also it has a I think 2.5 inch IDE drive, can I put a SATA adapter there?

>>106226664
btw im aware theres a proper official service manual from ibm for these, yes i know. just asking because some parts dont seem that clear at all (doesnt specifically say how to take apart the "thermal unit" to clean it)

What do you guys think of the Framework laptops and PCs?

>>106226898
shit cause of the lack of a trackpoint

>>106226664
i have exactly one of those, a 380XD

These dont get too brittle but you gotta be really careful with the plastics, they dont hold up to any abuse anymore, they will crack if youre too rough with them
you can drop in a sata adapter but its recommended to use something like an off the shelf IDE to msata adapter instead and use old msata ssds, youre going to have to format it to a smaller capacity anyway and the premade IDE to msata adapters are much more reliable than IDE to sata standalone ones are
compact flash cards over ide are also a good option because you can cram 2 of them in there as master and slave directly over IDE without any fuss

i wouldnt even bother repasting it, it uses the pink shit which is still probably good enough, and its a nightmare to clean when its nearly 30 years old, the pmmx in there isnt that toasty anyway

honestly just blow it out, create a new windows user and delete the old user, youre good as new
if you want it to run a bit faster the ide to some form of ssd adapter will be better but youre still gonna top out at the bus speed anyway which isnt that fast
mine chugs running photoshop 5.0 to edit 1024x768 images, its never going to be fast, enjoy the slow

what's the least shitty new thinkpad? ideally P series

Been wondering, the X1 Carbon and TXXs thinkpads are hailed as the "best" among the best when it comes to durability and quality among the Thinkpad lines but why are they less repairable?
I mean, In a sense that both of these lines have their keyboards requiring you to remove the entire motherboard so that it could be replaced. And soldered RAMs.
Quite sure that the T14 and X13 have the same chassis, and that means equal durability too, no?

>>106215484
><$200: T470p, T480(s), T495
I'd add the A485 in there if you want AMD. I have one as well as a T480 (which I'm typing this post on) and I love both. as you mentioned though, ugly screens out of the box but I already did the screen upgrade on my T480 and the A485 will follow in likely not too long. need to get the glass trackpad for it too

>>106209378 (OP)
I have an elitebook 2570p and I'm thinking of picking up the dock for it. For multi-display setups on linux, are there specific drivers that dock may need to work? My experience with using docks on linux has been super hit-or-miss, so I'd figure i'd check before buying.

>>106209378 (OP)
>Buy used p51
>Boots into a new windows config startup
Oh that's nice, saves me installing an OS-
>Windows 11
>Never used windows 11 before, surely it can't be that bad, right
Why is antivirus taking up 15% of my cpu? Why does alt+tab include ever individual edge tab? Why is the nvidia driver install 404ing and unable to find the EULA? Why is there a fucking widget with 'news' that's half advertisements where the start button used to be?
>15 minutes of incredulously exclaiming 'what the fuck, why?'
Oh hey this laptop has a touch screen, that's kinda neat, didn't know that when I bought it.
I hope there's drivers for it when I nuke this dogshit OS and install a linux distro.

I'm really tempted to get a Lifebook. Are the keyboards that bad?

>>106232313
I had one a couple years ago at work and it wasn't the worst. Layout almost exactly like a TP other than Ctrl/Fn. Missed the trackpoint though.

Should I go for wayland or x11 on t480 with MX150 running CachyOs with KDE? How is touchscreen on x11?

>>106215484
>T14G1a
>None of these are fully foolproof, each model has at least one spec that you can get wrong such as ugly screen, previous-gen CPU, undersized battery.
Someone offered to sell me a first generation T14 locally. What do I need to look out for?

>>106232458
no go with linux mint or arch with xfce

>>106232458
Don't know about KDE with X11 but under Xfce it works out of the box. Most apps including Firefox and Atril recognize that you're using touch and scroll instead of selecting.

>>106232717
Avoid 1366x768 screen at all costs (terrible contrast) and Privacy Guard if you care about battery. The other screens are fine imo. Sweet spot for CPU is Ryzen 5, though R3 and R7 and the 6-core i7s (10710U and 10810U) aren't bad either. 4-core Intels aren't worth the premium over T480(s)/T490.

best OS for a vintage T60 with 32bit CPU while I wait for a 64bit CPU to arrive?

t430s nearby me for $80
good deal?
I have a t480s already, but want a secondary just to fuck around with

Getting meself a used X230 as my first laptop and kinda excited as a total newb here. What should I first start looking into? Upgrades? Would be the first time I'm trying Linux as well so any distro suggestions are also appreciated.

running a p15 gen 2 with an A4000 gpu....life is good.

>>106209378 (OP)
Chicking in on a dell precision m6800.
32gb ram 4th gen i7 and a quadro k4100m. My other laptop is a t60p.

Finally got a T480
Though it has the IR camera instead of the camera shutter

>>106209378 (OP)
I want to buy a big battery for my T470 that won't degrade in 2-3 years. 6000mAh or more. Aliexpress preferably

>>106237718
only place where I've bought a T480 battery (works on T470 too since they use the same ones) is ebay. I bought it last november and haven't lost much charge on it (original capacity is 72Wh, now it says 70.7). cost me like 40 bucks, if you want a link (I recently bought another one for my A485)

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>>106232373
I just found out Dynabooks are pretty cheap and they have a trackpoint. Anyone have experience with them?

>>106240368
those are very rarely mentioned on this board, they're probably junk

>>106215612
at the bottom of every thinkpad is a sticker that says TYPE XXXX-XXX
there is a 10k lines spreadsheat file where you can lookup every type and its parts, there is also a website but i forgot the link, maybe someone can post it for you or search the wiki

>>106240834
Thanks.
>>106217297
>>106215720
Sorry for the late reply, but I will keep this in mind, thanks.

>>106240834
>maybe someone can post it
you're lucky, I had it in my bookmarks somehow
https://libthinkpad.github.io/fru/?t=T480

>>106240368
These are just Toshiba business laptops and Toshiba has always been kinda shit at business laptops, they don’t even copy everyone else, they just make them mediocre.
These have pointers and external swappable batteries, which is neat.
They’re made of thin plastic, have weak hinges, mushy keyboard decks and low travel chiclet keys.
They’re built like late 00’s hp pavilions but worse.

Man, the touchpad on the X series is way too close to the keyboard, now I know this from personal experience.

>>106243139
Disable touchpad, embrace Trackpoint.

>>106209378 (OP)
>tfw just realized my $28 X230 can play PS2 at 720p mostly 60 fps
>it hits 98 C after half an hour playing
Bros.. is it safe? i don't want to kill my thinkpad

>>106244837
have you tried cleaning out the fan and put new thermal paste?

>>106243899
Not a bad idea...

>>106243899
Wait, no, all I had to do was disable "Tap to click". Ahh, a much better setting for my typewriter.

>>106244943
yeah, i cleaned and repasted it,
only made 2 C difference

i have a t440, i had my desktop and other shit stolen but i have an amd w7600 workstation card i'd like to use on my t440 somehow. can someone tell me the best way to set up an egpu with relative ease? any docking stations out there I could use? thanks.

thoughts on the ThinkPad E16 Gen 3 with ryzen 7 250 cpu, 780M gpu and 16gm ram? want to use cachyos and the most intensive thing that ill probably do on it is play heavily modded rimword. also is the full metal body worth it in general? only had one other shitty plastic hp laptop before this

>>106247217
I don't have much experience with E series but after looking at least battery seems easily replaceable and RAM can be upgraded. looks like a pretty cheaply built machine though

>>106241025
nah thats not it, fru numbers are the identifiers for each individual part
the type number is for each complete system

here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B08nIGWWh7zZTlJnU0t6YUlzY28/view?resourcekey=0-UjKx0iUR1rxXHfCjlvLTpQ

>>106247217
>also is the full metal body worth it in general?
I don't know about the metal ones, but I can't stop touching my TP's fiberglass top. So solid, I'll never return to plastic.

>>106247873
>but I can't stop touching my TP's fiberglass top. So solid
Isn't that supposed to be rubber?

>>106248040
Not on my model.

>>106246733
eGPU with relative ease requires a thunderbolt connection

>>106246526
what thermal paste did you use, also did you put paste were the the thermal pad was?

>>106249073
>what thermal paste did you use
GD900, just like on my gaming PC (Ryzen 5 3600, always below 70 C)
>did you put paste were the the thermal pad was?
I dont think so, why?
Do you have X230 as well? how's your temps?

>>106248527
so my other choice is to jerry rig with the pcie slot available?

>>106249412
>gd900
try artic mx-6, it worked well for me
the chipset with the thermal pad handles the graphics and if you put thermal paste it will cook itself. also my x230 idles at 45c and reaches 80c when hitting a full load

>>106247217
If u don't take "Aluminium" option only top cover is metal, when u take it u get both top and bottom. From what I read its not really amazing metal body, more like very thin sheet of aluminium connected to plastic from one side.
Ordered e14 gen 7 with plastic bottom. ryzen 250, 8gb ram (i rather buy more myself and install, their ram prices are ridiculous).

>>106233213
Thanks. This one is 1920x1080 IPS and R5 with 32GB RAM and 256GB SSD. What's a good price?

>>106249717
Yes

There are so many makes and models to pick from I'm having choice paralysis. I want a x230t successor but maybe 14". And maybe something better than Iris HD 620. And maybe I don't really need pen input, but it's nice. But not more than $150.

>lenovo finally releases the new line of P14/P16 with the new ryzen mobile processors
>it's only up to the midrange
fucking NIGGERS I just want a 16'' laptop with the full ryzen 395+, that's not gayming and has a clit
even HP is only making them in 14'' for some unfathomable reason and HP doesn't have a clit I think

Great deal or decent deal?

The fact that this general has to ask if a $135 laptop with decent performance is a deal in the year of our lord is disgusting. Just pull the trigger and find out later, its cheap.
Research the motherboard to see what you can do with it at least.

>>106255083
8GB soldered, not worth it

>>106255168
>$135 laptop
>its cheap
someone must be new to /tpg/ - total poverty general

>>106250514
>reaches 80c when hitting a full load
nice, but have you tried playing PS2 at 720p with it?
Because for everything else my X230 never reached 80 C
(never tried any other games though, just emulation)

>>106254160
Well get the HP one then.
Zbook is a business laptop so build quality isn't an issue.

has any madlad or lass modded a thinktop with an apple-style magsafe charger? been searching for a mod like that. as of yet only found the usb-c mod

>>106255709
That sounds like a lot of work for a proprietary connector with a reputation for poor build quality. What's your opposition to USB-C?

>>106255573
I don't want a small screen though

>>106252461
I see them go for 250-300 eur, probably cheaper in burgerland

>>106252461
I recently got a t14 g1 amd R5 for 512gb and 16gb ram for 210usd but I usually see them at 250 in my location

> L15 G2 R5 for 200 bucks
>or 290 bucks for T14 G2 R5
just how bad nu L series are compared to the T counterparts? what makes the price hike on T series?

opinions on T590?

Hello I need some advise on finding a laptop that would suit my needs. I primarily plan on music production and I heard that requires a good CPU. Are there any thinkpad models that work great for making music?

>>106253832
>fast, cheap, good
Pick 2

>>106257499
sounds like anything x220 or t420 and up will do
I think what will matter more is budget and screen size

>>106257499
T480

What's the thinkpad that FFXIV will run on, before the game dies in a few years?

>>106258613
integrated GPU? maybe the T14 gen 2
I got no sauce on dedicated GPUs

>>106258613
kek, not surprised. even I stopped playing a couple months ago and I literally had never unsubbed since I started playing in HW
should probably run on any recent AMD w/iGPU machine I'd imagine

>>106209378 (OP)
The Linux mint disk utility says I have bad sectors on my ssd, while badblocks says its all gucci. Which one do I believe? Why's there conflicting results?

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>>106259323
T480

>>106259323
Jewish spies selling secrets and technology to China are the reason they're a threat to the US now.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-accused-of-selling-us-secrets-to-china-1510406.html

>>106259843
lel

Love thinkpads. Played with a x201 for a good while with Linux mint. I'm a windows boomer. Would love to move to a t420 but I cannot go back to a tn panel. whats the best modern thinkpad I can buy used in excellent condition or new? A

>>106261012
>t420 but I cannot go back to a tn panel
swap the panel for a better one. if you want to buy used and cheap just get a T480, this one comes with IPS out of the box but it's not a good panel

>>106261145
Are the ips options for t420 much better? It's not really worth it to me if it's not.

>>106261560
>Are the ips options for t420 much better?
you can probably use any panels that fits and whose resolution is supported by the laptop. you'll probably have to dig around for some info though as I don't know much about the T420, but you'll likely find a wide range of options, just pick one with the specs you prefer and swap the original panel with it. I did that to my T480

>>106261560
None work out of the box, with an adapter board ($40 or so last time I checked) any 30-pin eDP panel is fine. T420 + adapter + FHD 400 nit 72% NTSC would cost roughly as much as a T480 with WQHD 300 nit 72% NTSC already installed.

>>106262195
>>106262163
I'll consider it thanks.

Printer all of a sudden prints under Debian after several months of futzing and I have no idea what changed, since I gave up on it for a few months.

>>106255989
no opposition, i like the satisfying tactile experience with a magnetic connector. usb-c is fine.

I heard that you can use a magic sponge eraser to restore the surface of thinkpads
Anyone tried that?

>>106209378 (OP)
I imagine anons will think I'm gay for wanting a 2-in-1 but I do. Will this one be good for some ps2 emulation and light gaming?

>>106259323
fuck off glownigger

>>106234123
i paid $60 for my t430

>>106258613
T14 Gen 4 is the bare minimum but it costs a lot.
Don't think about it.

>>106264962
2in1s are OK. Penshit has legitimate use cases. And it's an easy way to be guaranteed higher quality IPS displays. Minority opinion but glossy(ier) screens are better because I haven't fallen for the outside coding meme.

scored a free t430 with backlit keyboard and Intel HD4000 graphics, really like this thing. has the 1600x900 panel

What do I absolutely need to do to upgrade, I'm more familiar with the T60/61 era of thinkpads, is the quad core a big difference? I'm going to find a 9 cell battery for it at the very least. I've already maxed out the memory and dropped an SSD in it. shits cool.

i already have a Precision 7560 with 6-core Xeon and 128gb of RAM but its cool to be on a Thinkpad again and I missed my clitmouse, the Precision doesn't have one

>>106258613

probably t480 or something with thunderbolt 3 so you can egpu

>>106263714
I haven't, but you should understand the mechanism at play before you do it. You're removing material from the rubberized outer coating to make it look more uniform, not fully "restoring" it per se, so if you have really deep scratches it's only going to make those worse. For shallow scuffs and scratches you should be able to buff them out. I've used a soft damp cloth for very light scuffs in the past but I usually don't bother with it.

>>106265906
$1k budget

>>106209378 (OP)
My Thinkpad T430 seems surprisingly slow. I am running TDE on Fedora (I switched from KDE because I figured TDE would make it less slow, and it did, but not enough). And I can't quite figure out what the problem is. I thought it was the CPU, but I am beginning to suspect it has something to do with the RAM. The refurbisher mentioned that it was already 16gb, so I thought I wouldn't need to upgrade it, but there was some misinformation on the Amazon page and I even had to replace the battery because it was the wrong model, and checking fastfetch tells me that it's running at 15.40 gigs at most.
Any way I can diagnose my problem beforehand using software? Or should I go ahead and open it up first to diagnose the issue? Either way, I am still upgrading the CPU, just wondering if I have to do the same for the RAM.
Also yeah, I am inexperienced as shit, it's both my first time using Linux, and using a Thinkpad and tinkering around with hardware as a whole. I am taking this as a learning experience though.

>>106270440
To be specific, it's 15.43gb and only 13% is used up, which is why part of me thinks maybe it's not the problem.
And yes, I am running off of an SSD, at least I think.

>>106270461
it reporting a slightly lower amount of total RAM isn't a problem normally. my T480 reports 62.5GB when I have 64, and it doesn't have any issues
I'd suggest maybe try another distro and/or DE. not that I think there's anything wrong with TDE but who knows

>>106256714
basically the quality and materials, the T are so fucking hard to break, and somtimes you can find models withh better screens than the L series.

i am posting from a t60. very comfy.

>>106270788
What can you actually do with it?

>>106270801
nta but code resource efficient apps that will run fast on a modern computer

>>106270484
I did both a fair amount of distro hopping and DE hopping beforehand, so I doubt that's the case. Q4OS did work the fastest, but the startup was still fairly slow no matter what (which is actually the biggest problem for me).
So the only possibility is, either the RAM's problem it's something else (maybe it's faulty or it's some other type that's not as good? I am not too familiar with what makes RAM work/good honestly).
Or it really is the CPU first and foremost like I initially suspected.
Or the SSD just isn't good enough (it's roughly 400gb and I already have taken up roughly 200gb (mostly games and software), so that might be part of the problem).
Or something else entirely
Either way, upgrading the SSD and CPU is definitely a must, but I really am curious if I can figure out if the RAM has anything to do with it first and foremost, or if I am just flat-out missing something else that's crucial from the software-side (drivers maybe?).
If all else fails, I'll go distro-hopping again just in case, but I'll leave that as a last resort because I kinda like my current setup and don't want to reinstall everything again.

bump

>>106209378 (OP)
>T440p
I had no idea these were now liked. I used to get lambasted for loving my trusty t440p.

>>106212984
DP is great, I just got an adapter on ebay and I never have a problem with audio or multiple monitors when using x11 on Debian/Devuan.

>>106216878
>anon is mad the market is over-saturated with johnny-come-latelys on ebay
Nice try. What are you going to try to shill to lessen demand, Dell, HP? LOL.

>>106255365
Truth.

>>106274890
To be fair, we have denounced anime so there's no point not looking at other brands.

>>106274991
I denounce anime too, but could care less whether it's chink or 5 eyes hands that manufactured it. It's all stems outwards form the ARPAnet, comped from inception. Everything else, and I mean everything, I cope and a tech equivalent of a blankey for baby.

Just enjoy what you can and buy what works for your budget IMO. The alternative is fall for braxman and lunduke faggotry.

I have my t440p its still overheating with the i7 quad core inside to 90 celcius. Before it overheats it gets 200fps+ at 1080p in CSS so that's cool.

I replaced the thermal paste that didn't work today so now I'm going to have to order and replace the entire heatsink.

Also my chinese charger died, it just has a small click every second. Pretty sure I fried it because its only a 65W which probably isn't enough. ordered an OEM 135W lenovo one.

>>106275361
You can blow compressed air to the fan to see if it's broken or not.
If it the fan stops spinning as soon as you stops blowing air into it, it's broken.

>>106275392
I dont have compressed air but I blew really hard and it still spinned. So I'm thinking its the heatsink because most of the heat is centralized all on the CPU. The middle of the heatsink pipe is cold.

What do you think?

>>106274859
They're not. It was bait and you fell for it and now we all know you're a faggot.

>>106275533
I decided on this model for myself a long time ago...

Ohhh stinkers. Stinkpads. What a messy laptop you have there.

Are you afraid of OLED screens, modern hardware and luxury?

What's the general consensus on the T560? i got one back in 2018 and its still going strong.

>>106275649
you can put an oled in the T480

>>106275845
There's a 1080p oled? Doesn't the t480 have a soldered CPU doe?

>>106275868
doesn't need to be 1080p, the T480 can also use 4k displays. also yes, the CPU is soldered

>>106276387
nobody here buys X1 carbon here anyway.
Only richfags do.

>>106276387
I thought this was a meme so I looked it up. I guess it acts as part of the chassis and the keyboard trampoline effect is more mitigated on the X1C versus other Thinkpads? Somebody give me the straight shit on this pls.

guys this might be the first fake non genuine japanese thinkpad keyboard
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808135216188.html

>>106278026
why does it feel like chinks would rather buy this than the standard EN keyboard

The Latitude 5490/7490 line is effectively the last laptop to have
>replaceable charger jack
>fully socketed RAM
>2.5" bay
>replaceable wifi
>bonus: trackpoint
Yes? There are exceptions like the Lenovo P1 series but other than that the situation is legitimately brimstone

Got a pen for my X1 and what the fuck is going on here?
Is the pen fucked or is it the display/digitizer?
Why is it only fucked when hover-moving?

>>106276387
>>106276789
The keyboard is not supposed to be removable, FRU PN is for pre-assembled keyboard+chassis.
Same for display on some X1 models, there is no separate FRU PN for panel, hinges, antennas etc, only for complete pre-assembled upper half of the laptop.

Last X/T series that can use WWAN slot as extra SSD slot?

>>106278306
can you put 2nd ssd on wwan slot? I'm eyeing on 5300 too

>>106278838
intel wwan slot has not been a real pcie slot since forever, but for amd the only possible issue could be device blacklist in bios

>>106278958
oh wait that's wlan
wwan is always real pcie but idk anout blacklists

>>106278838
X-series: X280, X380 Yoga
T-series: T14 gen 1 AMD, T480s, T580

bought a t60, lots of scratches on the top
I've seen people using some magic eraser as a remedy but I can't buy it, are there any alternatives?

>>106279272
Fine grit sandpaper. 1000 or higher.

>>106279272
Polish paste and any cloth rag you have laying around