Thread 106211081

>An iPhone is the next best choice for a private and secure smartphone.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private/3

>>106211081 (OP)
>iPhone users get ... far better privacy from apps/services
This doesn't include Apple that sells user data to third parties and routes your network and gsm traffic through their servers.

Graphene devs hate other custom roms like lineage, calyx, pinephone etc. so much, that they end up shilling iPhones as the next best alternative to their own product.

GrapheneOS is the most pro BigTech project I have ever seen: Buy a Google Pixel or an iPhone. Everything else is trash.

>>106211181
>This doesn't include Apple that sells user data to third parties and routes your network and gsm traffic through their servers.
>Source: my ass

>>106211216
let me shill for $800 proof of concept phones with a CPU from 2012 instead, it's heckin' privacy and GNU pilled!

>rely on a single OEM as basis for your product
>said OEM fucks you over
>your business is dead
many such cases

>>106211081 (OP)
I agree
t. Apple-products enjoyer

Tim Cook is gay

>>106211081 (OP)
Your alternative a Pixel w/ Graphene OS or an iPhone with Lockdown Mode enabled and iCloud E2E... being? Some pajeet ROM from XDA? Or a gahnoo/loonix phone with absolutely zero proper hardware security or software sandboxing?

>>106211181
>>106211223
Google as a company literally makes the vast majority of it's moneu through personalized advertising, which is only possible through the collection and sale of user data. It is their bread and butter and the company would not be able to survive without doing this.

Apple on the other hand makes lots of money through hardware and software sales, which don't require it to be as invasive. Now I'm not so naive to think that Apple is just sitting there with the opportunity to sell data and not taking advantage of it, but one benefit of how shitty they treat third party developers is that installed apps have access to much less data of the end user than on android.

>>106211216
They have reasons for requiring a google pixel, if you don't want to support google then buy one used. I do agree though that whoever is running their social media accounts needs to relax and stop shitting hard on other adjacent projects.

>>106211571
Every breath you take
www.inverse.com/article/16929-apple-watch-will-now-remind-ou-to-breathe
Every move you make
www.stopspying.org/latest-news/2021/10/1/stop-condemns-apple-for-tracking-iphone-location-when-turned-off
Every bond you break
acecilia.medium.com/apple-is-sending-a-request-to-their-servers-for-every-piece-of-software-you-run-on-your-mac-b0bb509eee65
Every step you take
www.komando.com/security-privacy/secret-map-tracking-apple/465598
I'll be watching you
archive.is/2024.10.10-000653/https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2024/10/09/apple-sells-privacy-to-consumers-but-its-quietly-helping-police-use-iphones-for-surveillance

Every single day
https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-now
Every word you say
www.foxbusiness.com/technology/apples-siri-is-eavesdropping-on-your-conversations-putting-users-at-risk
Every game you play
techstory.in/apple-slammed-by-epic-games-chief-for-spyware-tools
Every night you stay
www.thehackernews.com/2017/10/iphone-camera-spying.html
I'll be watching you
www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2022/11/apple-sued-for-pervasive-and-unlawful-data-tracking

Oh, cant you see
You belong to me
truthout.org/articles/apple-employee-blows-whistle-on-illegal-spying-and-toxic-working-conditions
How my poor heart aches
With every step you take
nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/08/13/siri-is-listening-to-you-but-shes-not-spying-says-apple
Every move you make
gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-ipad-privacy-problems-data-gathering
Every vow you break
appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/29/apple-acknowledges-tracking-imessage-metadata-and-sharing-it-with-law-enforcement
Evry smile you fake
abc4.com/news/tech-social-media/yes-your-iphone-is-taking-invisible-pictures-of-you
Every claim you stake
wonderfulengineering.com/u-s-apple-store-employees-are-working-to-unionize-and-theyre-using-android-phones-to-keep-apple-from-spying-on-them
I'll be watching you
https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours

>>106211571
>They have reasons for requiring a google pixel

The reason are the proprietary chips which are under Google's control. Because Google is well known security/privacy company and their products are extra secure/private. Nobody knows actually how, because nobody knows what these extra secure/private proprietary chips are doing. But they must be certainly be very private and secure for reasons.

>>106211998
kek

everything on any cellphone - regardless of model or anything - can and will be traced
you are not secure and never will be
if you want security, use pen and paper and in-person communication along with not carrying a cell phone.

>>106211181
>routes your network and gsm traffic through their servers
I am 90% sure all "hide from trackers" proxying is disabled by default. You should be way more worried about Find My and Air Drop being on by default, the very definition of skynet.
>>106211571
Apple also has ad tracking you can't opt out of dude. For now the only real way this gets back to you is ads in the App Store but next time they get a new CEO expect it to get worse.
>>106212229
phones aren't any less private than computers if you just turn the modem off.

>>106211081 (OP)
almost fell for their shit, glad I didn't.
What is this clown world, feels like we are going for a Judge Dread future here

>>106211081 (OP)
>The inauditable closed source OS is actually the more private OS.
Yeah, the Graphene fags would say that.

>>106211537
>Some pajeet ROM from XDA? Or a gahnoo/loonix phone with absolutely zero proper hardware security or software sandboxing?
the absolute state of /g/ in 2025. muh hardware security, secure boot, trusted tpm chips, and a big company making sure i won't get heckin' viruses

Guys check this out!!! https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/iphones-for-privacy/29939/7

That's fucking rich considering apple is the only device on earth with an actual exposed hardware backdoor
https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/exploit-used-in-mass-iphone-infection-campaign-targeted-secret-hardware-feature/

>>106215095
Holy shit, this forum is full of glowies!

>>106211081 (OP)
>>106211998
>>106215154
Rotten Apple: Dozens of Former Israeli Spies Hired by Silicon Valley Giant
https://www.mintpressnews.com/apple-israel-unit-8200-hiring/290226/

Where did all the Graphene cultists go? Nobody is defending Graphene anymore.

>>106215095
Look at these comments and you witness a fascinating phenomenon. The Graphene cultists treat every word of the Graphene devs as absolute truth. This leads them to defend Apple and proprietary shit. Is this some kind of Stockholm Syndrome? Graphene syndrome?

>>106211081 (OP)
I would buy an iPhone, but I need 3.5mm jack and ability to side-load apps.

>>106211081 (OP)
Smartphones are for niggers

>>106211998
and yet, it's still the most trustworthy after grapheneOS...
really tingle my almonds

>>106215826
The ability to side load apps won't add any value to an iPhone lol nobody builds jack shit for it. Newpipe, Mihon, LibreTorrent, mpv, nothing!

Despite all the anti-GrapheneOS astroturfing going on here, and the project's admittedly retarded iPhone comment, none of you have any way of refuting this.

>>106218030
>>106218049
I'm not going to go point by point down a table made by the project that it's trying to make look good that does not hold all ROMs to the same standard and conveniently excludes any rows where the preferred ROM would not win. Brave does the same thing btw, privacytests.org is created by a Brave dev, clearly visible on GitHub. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

>>106211081 (OP)
>has a built-in jewish spyware which was only removed when they got caught
Fuck off, apple goy.

>>106218087
>I'm not going to bother engaging with the actual information presented, or show how any of it is wrong, instead jumping to ad-hominem conspiracy theories about the author.

>>106218122
I will be more willing to engage in good faith if you add a column for iOS.

>>106211216
GrapheneOS is a glowfag project, of course it wants everyone else gone.

>>106218153
I can't add a column to a site I don't own, and I'm also not talking about iOS. We are in agreement that Apple is bad.
What I'm arguing against is any implication that Graphene making a stupid forum comment makes GrapheneOS itself less credible on its technical merits.
For example, Graphene OS is the only Android rom that both doesn't preinstall Google Play services, and runs them in standard app sandbox as opposed to running as priv_app should you choose to install them. Did that stop being true on July 17, 2025?
Did all of the features listed in their security and privacy tabs stop existing?

>>106218242
You can open either MS Excel or LibreOffice Calc ... or, because GrapheneOS would suggest that: Google Docs... and create such a column.

We will be waiting. We expect iOS to come out as the solid number 2, because GrapheneOS wouldn't lie.

GrapheneOS is a great example of how a cult-like chasing of "security" leads to very bad outcomes for users and the market. As long as my cellular antenna doesn't have a RCE bug in it I'd much rather have the ability to root and access my filesystem properly and not have to spend an absurd (worse than apple) premium on one specific line of phones.

>>106218242
>Graphene OS is the only Android rom that both doesn't preinstall Google Play services, and runs them in standard app sandbox as opposed to running as priv_app should you choose to install them
If you think you can run Google Maps without Google knowing where you are or Google Play Store without Google knowing what you have installed, idk what to tell you.

>>106218242
>Did all of the features listed in their security and privacy tabs stop existing?
First of all dude, GrapheneOS is not private and doesn't attempt to be. Privacy and security can be aligned on the really low hanging fruit but quickly become at odds with things like OCSP or Safe Browsing. GrapheneOS's browser is extremely easy to fingerprint and you're still contributing to Google's location services maps. Second of all, most of their security features are against theoretical attacks and are redundant if you simply don't install untrusted software, which is what ACTUALLY ungoogled ROMs would have you do.

>>106218264
>or, because GrapheneOS would suggest that: Google Docs
By this logic, Calyx would have Google Docs preinstalled.
You didn't even read my post, retard.
>>106218286
>If you think you can run Google Maps without Google knowing where you are
No shit, that's why I use OpenStreetMap.
>Google Play Store without Google knowing what you have installed
No shit, so when you download something from a server, the person that runs that server... can see that you made a network request to it? Big shocker.
It can't inherently know what you're doing on your apps once you've downloaded them, or what you're doing on your phone in general.

>Google Play receives absolutely no special access or privileges on GrapheneOS as opposed to bypassing the app sandbox and receiving a massive amount of highly privileged access. Instead, the compatibility layer teaches it how to work within the full app sandbox. It also isn't used as a backend for the OS services as it would be elsewhere since GrapheneOS doesn't use Google Play even when it's installed.
>Since the Google Play apps are simply regular apps on GrapheneOS, you install them within a specific user or work profile and they're only available within that profile. Only apps within the same profile can use it, and they need to explicitly choose to use it. It works the same way as any other app and has no special capabilities. As with any other app, it can't access data of other apps and requires explicit user consent to gain access to profile data or the standard permissions.

Since neither of you, assuming you're even different people, can substantiate any technical counterpoints, I think we're done here. Have fun with your botnet ROMs.

>>106218311
Which actually ungoogled ROMs are those? Seems like all the ones listed there come with Google Play services, which I would consider untrusted software if left un-neutered as they appear to be.
Then again, there might be some new, even better privacy ROMs on the market that aren't covered here that I'm unaware of. I'm all ears if that's the case.

>>106218384
>b-b-but while Google Maps is tracking me, Google Location services are running and Play Attestation rats out any sensitive app i use, Google Play receives "absolutely no special access"
It's not like it would need that mysteries "special access" at this point... what more would it want?

You can not install gapps in ANY form and expect to have privacy. That is completely ridiculous and crazy and GrapheneOS is scamming you and selling a false sense of security to you.

>>106211081 (OP)
if you cared at all about privacy you wouldn't have a phone. listening to /g/tards discuss "privacy respecting" phones is like listening to retards discuss which ankle monitor is less dystopian.

>>106218311
Most people consider privacy as a part of security, because if you aren't private, the person that spies on you has power over you, which isn't secure.

But those nu-communities like GrapheneOS redefined that. They consider it the highest achievable security when you are locked into a padded room and only Google has the key.

>>106218479
how else would they service their tech, media slop, and porn addictions?

>>106218479
Why do so many fucking retards on this board thing phones work like RFID cards? The cell towers only know where you are when you're actively communicating. You can simply turn off airplane mode once a day to check your mailbox and only use WiFi at other times.

>>106218479
I think the reason for why anyone cares about privacy on phones in the first place is because despite how much they tend to glow, at their core they're slim, handheld, touch-screen computers capable of genuinely impressive performance for their form factor. In theory, if they didn't glow at all, and were as capable of being free and libre as desktops and laptops in terms of software, they would be a wonderful thing for all. iOS is locked down to fuck and Android at least allows sideloading (aka installing applications the way any normal OS does it), so people make custom ROMs for the latter to make it glow significantly less than it does by default when you buy it at the store, in search of that ideal.

>>106218560
you are assuming you phone isn't backdoored and that lil button actually does what it claims to do, all the time. that's a lot of trust in a world where you can't trust anything or anyone.

>>106218648
That is not an assumption, it's legally guaranteed. Radio bands are significantly more heavily regulated than roads or other public spaces.

>>106218030
>>106218049
half of the columns here are added only for the sake of making grapheneos look good

OY VEY

>>106211998
>>106215154
>>106215542
>>106219725
Do you have anything from an even remotely reputable organization? Half of these read like they were written by an AI trained on /g/ and none of them present any material evidence of wrongdoing.

>>106219738
do you have anything to show for your iJeet shilling besides the piles of shit on your street?
archive.is/2024.10.10-000653/https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2024/10/09/apple-sells-privacy-to-consumers-but-its-quietly-helping-police-use-iphones-for-surveillance

>>106219829
forbes is not a remotely reputable organization it's not 2002. also that article has literally no fucking substance, it's just about apple trying to sell its tech to cops, and one quote about a cop who likes the ecosystem. and it repeats itself like 3 times so i think it's ai-generated. nothing about apple having bad security or privacy.

>>106211081 (OP)
He's right, you know.

>>106218030
>>106218049
I refute it because its fake and gay, just like you

>>106211998
based
>>106219889
iMalding and iCoping

>>106218030
Why isn't iOS in this chart?

>>106219889
>forbes is not a remotely reputable organization
>source???
>source???
>source???
>eww not that source tho
0/10

>>106218242
>What I'm arguing against is any implication that Graphene making a stupid forum comment makes GrapheneOS itself less credible on its technical merits.

What would you say, if Graphene devs would say tomorrow that Microsoft Copilot+ PCs are actually the most private and secure PCs?

>>106218311
>First of all dude, GrapheneOS is not private and doesn't attempt to be.

>>106222466
that article does not even contain the claim that apple spies on iphone users. their tos already does, you don't have to lie.

>>106211081 (OP)
default android devices are worse than apple in terms of privacy
custom rom devices are worse than apple in terms of security

they are right, as usual

>>106219889
iToys were always an easy target for israeli cracking software, why do you think middle east chuds use Huawei?

>>106222613
>why do you think middle east chuds use Huawei?
They don't. About 95% of people globally who can afford an iPhone use an iPhone, and most of the 5% is in Europe. The whole reason Apple keeps releasing shit in gold is for the ME and Chinese markets.

>>106222613
now post the poodroid chart
you won't, by the way

>>106222632
>everyone buys an iPhone if they can afford it even though Android vendors sell expensive high-end phones as well, what's a computer btw?

>>106222659
Why wouldn't I? GOS is safe for yeara unlike iTrash that is constantly vulnerable kek.

>>106222632
Chinese elites like politicians and CEOs use Huawei.

>>106222737
The CEO of Huawei uses an iPhone.

>>106222662
>what's a computer btw?

They are bad according to Graphene devs.
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114908889880074227

>>106222758
This was 7 years ago

>>106211216
pinephone isn't a fucking custom rom, don't throw proper linux hw that allows you to run proper linux in the same trashbin as schizo tweaking few kernel config options and calling it an OS

>>106223703
Graphene devs don't care. They say everything is shit, including Pinephone.

>>106218488
it's the uber elite hacker cybersecurity but for the normies, no you can't have root, no you shouldn't use f-droid, use googol, it's for your own good, now donate and shut up, treating your own userbase as a threat vector

>>106223766
well of course the schizo working 'on an OS' wouldn't want to know there is alternative to iOS/android duopoly, he can't earn shit with apple and his security theatre grift depends on ppl being locked in that duopoly

>>106214665
If you're using OEM Android your OS isn't auditable either.

>>106223862
holy fuck muh weird windows chip, the guy is clueless
>possible to replace that android but muh baseband
kej

>>106211081 (OP)
Meds

>>106223862
> daniel cries when people are "defaming him"
> spends his entire life shitting on better operating systems
> truly believes he is a genius because he reskinned android, a codebase he had no hand in creating
what a fucking loser. lmao.

>>106223912
daniel is the kind of abject failure that doesn't understand just how fucked his reputation is and will keep going with this larp until the last of the donation money runs out:

it's all about how much money he can grift, not security. and there's a lot of morons willing to give this intellectually bankrupt loser their cash. that's just one wallet. they have several.

>>106224563
this guy is all about security yet we have never seen him evaluating his decision of depending on a proprietary hardware and corporate choosen fused key for the absolute critical part of his system which is the core root of trust. surely he isn't proud of just writing some sandbox code and toggling some settings right?

>>106211216
OY VEY STOP NOTICING

>>106224641
you'd get a generic response 'well you gotta trust someone', funnily enough all this need for monthly patches shows that android and its clones is the least trustworthy as everyone is targetting it (same as only windows gets viruses), all proper linux phones that use android compatibility layers are by default more secure from that angle as they are unlikely to work, crickets from micay and co, are they gonna start selling antivirus soon?

>>106222632
>there are far more expensive android phones than the latest ishart
>lel poorfag lmao
you ain't foolin anyone lil bro

>>106222760
>stop using computers, goy, they're not safe
>don't mind all the hardware level real time tracking and spying in all smartphones, goy
laughs in dumb phone

Graphene cultists are mad! Check it out before they delete the thread:

https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/iphones-for-privacy/29939/29

>>106224762
yeah and he actively lies about smartphones (his own project) supposedly being more secure than computers meanwhile you can make a heads/qubes setup with user-choosen root of trust and optional protection against evil maid with nail polish on screws. he totally omits big corporations and whoever in position to access to those fused-in keys in CPUs from his universal threat model. it's the most obvious glowie psyop I have ever seen.

>>106222760
The glowing one
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd4Pa03LvLk

>>106224740
>my linux phone with ancient hardware is more secure because nobody uses it
all it takes to pwn you is to replace the kernel in unencrypted boot partition when you're not looking, also stop replying to yourself jeety

>>106211081 (OP)
Apple toys are completely closed source
What retarded clown logic is this
If anything just root your phone and remove Google shit

>>106225107
all it takes is replace your graphene phone with a dummy that transmits your entered code so adversary can unlock the original
now once you're done with dreaming scenarios linux balkanization is a thing that works to its advantage, exploit for ubuntu is unlikely to work on 128 flavours of fedora etc, all micay is concentrating on is patching known vulns and tweaking kernel configs, he's like reselling windows but with these security hardened registry options

>>106225176
It's not very long ago when sudo had yet another vulnerability that allowed root access to any user and sudo is in every major distro by default, there goes your balkanization meme when all distros are built upon same software only with different DEs and package managers. GrapheneOS does more than that, but you're just another self-replying anti-GOS pajeet so no reason to elaborate.

>>106225257
again blown out of proportion bs, if an attacker has a user account on your system to use sudo you're already fucked bro, they can compile any latest cve and just execute it, any fucking privilege escalation exploit, the sudo scare is perfect example of scaremongering, how the fucj is random attacker getting a user account on your phone?

>>106225176
why bother for replacing? you can remotely compromise a GOS device since the verified boot keys are not in the owner's hand

>>106225492
the guy came up with a retarded scenario (you leave your phone and adversary jumps in and does invasive action on during this time, I guess when you forget to take your phone when going to the toilet, same as just dropping a same pixel looking phone to grab his password/pin/fingerprint, if they have physical access kek, bbbut muh graphene is safer)

>>106225367
>if an attacker has a user account on your system to use sudo you're already fucked bro
Stop with the "secure system" larp if such a basic security feature like user isolation doesn't work. Android has good user and app isolation, there's a reason why banks prefer clients to use phone apps instead of computers where every program has access to everywhere in the user profile.

>>106225548
kek muh banks, they fucking throw a fissy fit even on your uber secure graphene, because they expect googol, so go and complain on googol/graphene forums how these dirty banks don't trust your schizo, muh APP isolation has shit to do with untrusted user account on your system, you can escape chroot/lxc/docker, the fact is your android malware will be targetting an android system and will shit itself once it finds out it's running on a proper linux (and which one is it now, ubuntu touch, sailfish, manjaro, pureos...), linux balkanization is a good thing in terms of security whether your messiah micah admits it or not

>>106225600
>malware recognizes Linux
>writes keylogger to ~/.bashrc that works on any distro
>jeety types sudo password
>rekt
secure system everyone

>>106225662
>jeet malware recognizes anything
citation needed, neither mobile linux distros nor android use .bashrc, their compositors are all over the place (muh MIR, wayland, x11 copies), their init systems are different, some use dbus etc etc, sure go ahead and write malware for all linuxes and also those where you get to from their android compatibility layer (which can also change like sfos from running native alien dalvik to lxc container with a whole system img, now cover also BB, waydroid...), I'm sorry, but we'll have to wait two more weeks for chatgpt7 to figure this out

>>106211081 (OP)
I just disregard anyone who holds iOS/macOS or Apple in general in high regard as a paid shill or a 'muttmerican. I notice that in 'muttmerica while you are getting shot by a horde of rabid mexicans and nignogs, the sophisticated white (14% german, 12% british, 30% latinx folk, 35% blax folx, ??% other??) american spends his time on online imageboards and social media discussing his appreciation for Apple's sensibilities such as a LGBT flag... but in a shape of an Apple for the logo. Briliant indeed. Or a dock whose icons become very large as you hover over them and make you a happy little Timmy reminding you of the good times when you ate McDonalds and played with your mac toy as your father (80% blax folx, 1% german, 3% brit, 2% italian, ??% ??) and mom (50% jewish, 30% morocan, 10% mexican, 10% spanish) had fights. Kino times.

>>106225662
>white people larping as smart on 4chan
>too low iq to know sandboxing exists
you're making this site worse for everyone else

>>106211081 (OP)
He really loves security through obscurity doesn't he?

>>106225837
there was never a sandbox that wasn't eventually escaped, but again it's a theatre, your threat on a mobile phone isn't a rogue user, it's not a fucking uni server with dozens of accounts, you can't fucking reach this shit remotely thanks to cgnat, it's all fucking fake, the main assault is from retards installing free/cracked apks and graphene does shit all in this (they limit root kek)

>>106225910
>there was never a sandbox that wasn't eventually escaped,
you can make it substantially hard with a vm. graphene is actually incredibly untrustable as it's just a huge monolithic linux kernel OS with bunch of security features plastered on top later on. the kernel itself was never meant to be secure from ground up and no amount of mitigations will change that

>>106225837
Android does sandboxing by default while in Linux you have to wrap every binary in firejail or similar program, a regular user sure as fuck won't do it and will pwn his computer with first email attachment pretending to be .jpg
>>white people larping as smart on 4chan
poo in loo shitskin, here you will always be perceived as a subhuman, which you are

>>106225956
there is always a way, just like now the 'secure computing' retards are finding out, it's always chasing the latest exploit, but daniel is not developing a new paradigm or inventing nrw solutions, he's just porting patches mostly on time, and now screams as he will not be freeloading on pixel sources anymore, cry me a fucking river, time to use linux and be responsible for whole stack instead of kernel configs

>>106225988
even the shittiest bottom of the barrel distros now use flatpak to sandbox programs. white people never surprise me how bold they act and write while being the most retarded population of this site, all thanks to there being no language barrier to keep the low iq away

>>106226011
it's a matter of keeping the bar high. and no, you can actually make quite literally an unsurpassable setup with air-gap, diodes and alike.

>>106211081 (OP)
Why isn't it called benzeneos

>>106226061
again fucking APP sandbox, airgapping is not in any way relevant, the retard above claiming linux cannot user sandbox is just what it is, grapheneretard, sudo is for that and his big sudo cve gotcha was android>linux. I really am waiting for micah to announce their xiaomi/huawei phone, how suddenly this is the new security standard after decade of ignoring their hw because they didn't support their specific tiny thing googol did, the grift will go on and graphene gugglers will swallow it all

>>106225988
>a regular user sure as fuck won't do it and will pwn his computer with first email attachment pretending to be .jpg
wintoddler detected
file extensions on linux don't matter, we rely on "magic numbers" that come from file headers

>>106226049
Binaries are not executed in flatpak by default, and Debian doesn't run Firefox in flatpak even by now. A regular user will be still vulnerable to random attachment binaries.
>white people never surprise me how bold they act and write while being the most retarded population of this site, all thanks to there being no language barrier to keep the low iq away
White people made this site, you're the invader who should fuck off back to your shitting street, Brits teaching pajeets English was the biggest mistake.

>>106226240
the fuck are you even on about, muh firefox flatpak downloads x, you can execute this x as root if you want, flatpak y program downloads a script and will execute it with its parents privs, wtf is flatpaks can't execute shit?

>>106226240
I'm writing this from inside bwrap. there's no cure for human incompetency other than locking down the whole device like apple does, which I don't agree with.
>White people made this site
not your site
>you're the invader who should fuck off back to your shitting street
I'm quite literally from the people who gave your barbaric ancestors a civilized life

>>106226398
>we wuz evropean inventors and sheit
which one? the spanish who were raped by moors for 10 centuries? the greeks who invented faggotry and had to ask for gibs multiple times for EU to prevent their country from bankrupting? the turks who invented sheep sex? the portugese whose only contribution to the world is making latinx folx and are otherwise one of the poorest countries in europe? the only humans in the south are italians and even they haven't realistically been relevant at all since WW1 and WW2, the italians did contribute to european culture but also the main destroyers of it as the center of catholicism that introduced morality and other cucktribe behavior to europe with turning the other cheek while you get fucked

>>106226444
that's some big ass cope right there, lmao

>>106211081 (OP)
He has two points
>most android operating systems don't implement what he considers bare minimum to be considered "secure" (i.e bruteforce login protection, usb data protection, fast browser/os patches)
>Apple does all these so he considers it second place for security
But then he goes on to say iPhones have the second best PRIVACY and security which is just fucking stupid. What he's saying then is privacy is a possible side effect of good security but no amount of privacy is worth slightly less security.
>"hey here's this untraceable, undetectable operating system that you can install on any phone. The only downside is browser updates come in 3 days after upstream."
>"nah im good, lemme accept the 8th EULA on my new iPhone instead."

>>106226559
his whole: there is no privacy without security; mantra is built on sand, yes you will be more private with degoogled lineageos missing latest x months of patches for theorethical exploits vs latest and greatest graphene with muh sandboxed google play and facebook and instagram apps installed, privacy has shit to do with security as ad companies are not using zero days to steal your data, they use fucking fb/google apis

>>106226548
>we wuz civilized millenias ago n shiet
Yet you're doing nothing productive today, can't wait till EU collapses and you'll be on your own with your debts.

>>106226671
>Yet you're doing nothing productive today
>he said, on 4chan
I did, in fact.

>>106211998
iJeets on suicide watch

Do some of you collectively lose basic telephone skills with grapheneos? Sandboxing is there so you can use it if you want to.
Its the best state you will get your phone while not having a half broken rom on.

>>106226626
I agree with some of the points he brings up. There's a lot of nice features in GOS I wish were stock. Distress passcode, usb data lock on reboot, automatic reboot on x hours of non use, sensor permissions, etc.
But he needs to get off his autistic high horse about security. He's not the end-all be-all who gets to police what can be called secure. My unpatched Android 10 samsung phone is more secure AND private than the latest and greatest pixel running Graphene because it's bolted to a wall with inaccessible usb port and is on a separate vlan from my general home network. He has a lot of unspoken assumptions about how phones are used in his "secure" definition and attacks anyone who disagrees.

>>106226727
My country isn't in huge debt like yours so I can afford some 4chin shitposting, now go to work lazy half-nigger.

>>106211998
tzd

>>106226986
>because it's bolted to a wall

Post pic

>>106219829
why are jeets like this? Are you fishing for the map turdesh?

>>106226986
>bolted to a wall with inaccessible usb port
In my country we call cell phones mobile phones.