Thread 106211513

what are you buying with your new passive tariff income?

I don't live in the us

Is he retarded or does he think his followers are retarded?

A respirator because the coal mine that I had to get a job at won't provide them for us

>>106211536
yes

>>106211540
aren't you glad about american coal mining jobs

>>106211536
Didn't USA used to tax people exclusively with tariff? No property tax, no income tax, no nonsense?

>>106211567
before powered flight, yes

Well i was gonna buy a framework laptop. but now they apparently think its OK to solder fucking ram to their desktop so fuck em.
didnt take em long to go from everythings repairable to lol fuck the customer.
Guess ill get some cheap chink 2in1 instead now
>>106211540
Sorry but the leftists spent the past decade closing every coal mine in my state. you arwnt allowed to have a job lol.

>>106211567
Yes when it needed to grow and it used additional politics. This is less of an economic measure and more about foreign politics as seen in the Brazil tariffs.

>>106211513 (OP)
Xrp

>>106211513 (OP)
Where is all that money actually going?

>>106211567
That was before the federal reserve.

>>106211647
to pay for vance's vacations

>>106211513 (OP)
Billions of dollars are now flowing out of consumers' pockets and into the government's.

>>106211665
Nah man seriously.

>>106211675
Which means the government is now getting additional revenue through tariffs(aka taxes).
The consumers are effectively being taxed.
How is Donald doing this? Either he has to be retarded, or his voterbase(cult) is retarded. How?

>>106211714
it just goes into the federal budget (which pays for security for JD vance's many vacations)
trumps big bill adds 200 billion to the deficit from tax cuts for the wealthy, so consider it as offsetting that

>>106211759
Yeah you're right, I even knew that but I'm slow.
So something like socialism but for rich...

how do I prepare for the recession

>>106211736
>he has to be retarded
He's taking the shit out of people and he knows it.

>his voterbase(cult) is retarded
This has been pretty obvious from the very start.

>>106211822
You really can't prepare for the recession. You can only hope midterms will deadlock his presidency so he can't do any more economic damange

>>106211822
you've already lived through like 3 of them so just do nothing and you'll be fine

Why do you people keep complaining? It's working

>>106211855
Well, damn. China sure is payling us 30 billion dollars so we can import some cheap ass products.
How retarded can you be?

>>106211551
>aren't you glad about american coal mining jobs
>orange you glad
Fixed

>>106211513 (OP)
Flowing from the citizens to the government lmao

>>106211801
privatize the gains, socialize the losses. this is America.

>>106211736
>Either he has to be retarded, or his voterbase(cult) is retarded. How?
Why not both?

>>106211866
Americans are richer now more than ever. The tariffs are making everyone richer.

>>106211536
it's both.

>>106211513 (OP)
I feel like the word retarded is not enough to describe this guy anymore

>>106211903
>The tariffs are making everyone richer.
the tariffs are making the ultra wealthy wealthier*
ftfy.

>>106211513 (OP)
Do Americans really not understand who pays for tarrifs?

>>106211855
I never realized tariff revenue was that low.
That is a big gain, but it is paltry compared to what he is claiming his tariffs have already brought in and it's paltry compared to what he claims the tariffs will cover.

>>106211934
>That is a big gain
Big gain for who?

>>106211513 (OP)
>billions of dollars in tariffs
where's the lie?
there's a lot of seething wumao on this website

>>106211943
For the government, of course.

>>106211948
>where's the lie?
Technically not a lie because if you look at >>106211855 billions of dollars in tariffs have ALWAYS been flowing into the country.

>>106211913
He's one of those mad kings you learn about in history classes and always wonder how those ever happen. We're now living through it.

>>106211903
>Americans are richer now more than ever.
The tarrif is making the government richer so they can put more measures to track your every step if they weren't doing so anyway.
Enjoy your orwellian nightmare.

>>106211822
honestly just be as employable as possible and hope you're not close to retirement
the biggest thing about recessions is the ruined 401k values keeping people in the workforce until the rebound

>>106211567
yes but for complex reasons involving the fact that the US imports far more as a portion of its GDP now that is impossible now

>>106211567
They couldn't resist the aristocratic ways once the anti monarchy founding fathers died

For years I can't find an anon who can properly quote any of the founding fathers writings but the constitution and not all of it

>>106211567
many countries did but then people learned that they like imported goods and don't like having pointless wars start every 20 minutes over the prince of timber

>>106211934
it's gone from 10 billion a month to 30 billion a month

how is that paltry

>muh tax on the consumers
is the dumbest shit the left is spreading on this site. First off, when a ship from China docks in America, they pay the tariffs. The company whose shit is being shipped PAYS US A FUCKLOAD OF MONEY RIGHT THEN. Now here is where libtards will tell you whoever buys all that shit will simply sell each piece of it at a higher price so that it offsets the tariff. ITS ACTUALLY BULLSHIT. Were they to do that, sales would instantly drop because people are actually not that fucking stupid and will simply stop buying shit that is priced beyond a certain level. So what actually happens? The Chinese HAVE TO keep shipping their shit, they can't just simply close up shop. So they literally have to do one of two things - lower their margins or even SELL AT A LOSS. That's fucking right, not only do we get pretty much the same prices but our chief competitor is slowly bleeding out while he still has to keep selling us shit because if they dont lol enjoy the resurgence of cannibalism in China. All the while we're building out our own manufacturing which eventually in 10 years will produce shit thats actually worth paying for.

The tariffs are a genius move and the best thing I've seen done by a politician in the almost 40 years of my life.

>>106212015
that doesn't even buy one fighter jet, let alone fix the deficit or put a dent in federal debt (which will only increase because taxes on the rich and on large businesses are slashed)

>>106212036
how is going from 10 billion a month to 30 billion a month bad

>>106212030
>Were they to do that, sales would instantly drop because people are actually not that fucking stupid and will simply stop buying shit that is priced beyond a certain level.
is that why locally produced eggs are 9$ each?

>>106212030
>I don't like my shit because stuff is already expensive. Fuck biden, he increased price of good 10 fold
>Also, oh my sweet Donard Trumpu, you can increase the tariff, we'll slurp the tax on the goods, so in 10 years we might see something that might happen, unless some other guy comes around and basically undoes all your policy in 4 years

>>106212042
it's bad because it is woefully insufficient

>>106212030
except the reality is that the american companies trying to import stuff to make value-added goods now are priced out by having to pay tariffs on raw or intermediate goods, so they may as well just import and resell finished products or only do direct resource collection primary industry (which is historically low-margin, volatile, and low paid for the labourers)

I gotta hand it to Trump. He really gets everything he wants.
>trade deals with multiple countries
>tariff revenue up
>prices still down
>resolved multiple conflicts
All those fearmongering economists got absolutely rekt

the polbots have arrived

>>106212063
I really don't see the issue. They said there'd be no deals and nobody would make money. The opposite has happened and now "it's not enough money"

>>106211567
Not for any real length of time or in a sustainable manner, no.

>>106212080
It's just "orange man bad" but from snake oil selling "economists" (aka fortune tellers).

>>106212061
>except the reality is that the american companies trying to import stuff to make value-added goods now are priced out by having to pay tariffs on raw or intermediate goods, so they may as well just import and resell finished products or only do direct resource collection primary industry (which is historically low-margin, volatile, and low paid for the labourers)
sophomoric nonsense. fuck bongs are so retarded.

>>106211647
white house renovations to better receive the russian prime minster and arab oil sheikhs

>>106212098
>anyone who disagrees with daddy must be a bong
meds

It's honestly incredible that Trump can not only take money out of American consumers' pockets and into the government's, but he can actually boast about it publicly and sell it as a win for normal Americans. I don't think he's stupid at all, he just realises how stupid the typical American is and what he can get away with in a way no previous president has.

>>106212118
It's probably because you said labourers instead of laborers. Your statement was correct though.

>>106212042
It's just pushing money around.
The gain in tariff income will come at a loss elsewhere so the net is nothing.

>>106212120
Especially interesting that it's possible to pull something like that off in highly materialistic society where money is priority over everything else.

>>106212133
i will show my hand and say i am merely canadian. all may feel free to have a schizo episode about me being a jeet because turdeau imported ONE MILLION JEETS and therefore transmogrified the rest of the population into shitskins with arcane magicks

>>106212118
I don't even care about trump, you just have a very shallow understanding of trade and no amount of gpt is going to help that.

>>106212063
>>resolved multiple conflicts
The only one he "resolved" was the one he joined.
On the aggressor's side.

>>106212120
>American consumers' pockets
Such a disingenuous statement. The companies are paying the tariffs, not the consumers.

>>106211513 (OP)
lmao what a fucking retard, I'm impress he still does not understand how tariff works

>>106212155
But the media keeps telling me every american is poorer and the consumers are paying the tariffs. That's why eggs are $11 now!

>>106212155
The tarrif is factored into the end price of the product to the consumer. Companies can't absorb these kinds of tariffs. It's you that's being disingenuous by pretending this isn't the case.

>>106212163
>You take money from everyone and give it to rich.
He knows.

>>106212155
what really happens is that because of the increased price of importing, that cost isn't put on the consoomer directly; what happens is now there's a new price for "what the market will bear" so you get to pay tariff prices on american wheat and steel and so on

this is what happened in canada when ukraine popped off; despite canada making shittons of grain, ukraine being fucked up affected global grain prices by a few cents so all the grocery ceos said "double the price of bread; just tell the peons it's russia's fault even though they grew and milled the wheat and baked and bagged the bread themselves"

>>106212188
>tarrif
Good morning, saar

>>106212155
This, no mechanism has yet been devised by which a company could possibly push off increased expenses onto the customer.

>>106212177
well why ARE eggs 11$ now?

>>106212192
>>106212188
Are you people actually fucking retarded? Like honestly. The fact that the product costs more is literally the fucking point of a tariff. If it didn't cost more it wouldn't be pressuring anyone to do anything.

Holy fucking shit this website.

why is the antichrist like this

>>106212030
You have no fucking idea of how the world actually works.

>>106212224
I did expect for prices to get higher than they did.

>>106212190
not even the richs, tariff goes straight to the gvt

>>106211536
He KNOWS his followers are retarded

>>106212241
East euro do that bcause they're proud of their knowledge of english so give them some slack.
They call such behavior "polish spellchecker".

>>106212251
yeah but as anon above pointed out that money is then used to fill up the gaps made by tax cuts for the rich.

>>106212224
>The fact that the product costs more is literally the fucking point of a tariff.
that's a means not an end. the point of a tariff is to price out foreign competition. but because the free market ain't free that part never actually happens so you get to still buy chinese goods, just at an inflated price, because some techbros are in their garages going "wow.... eggs are 17$ each now... how do i get in on this money using blockchain and ai....."

>>106212155
You actually believe Trump would tax corporations?

>>106211964
When Tesla and AI go pop it's going to be biblical

>>106212220
bird flu

>>106212274
Even in EU there's similar but less banal scheme is work, EU scoops money from everyone and then gives lots of it out in form of initiatives which are mostly consumed by those already owning business/factories/rich whatever.

ultimately i don't see the problem with tariffs but i am also pretty sure it is class exploitation when combined with tax cuts in other areas. as much as we all know consumers deserve to be taxed for their sin we also all know that the rich deserve to be taxed and shot for their sins

when do we start firing rockets at these "people"?

>>106212275
That is NOT the sole purpose of a tariff, fuckwit redditor cunt.

But all countries do tariffs
why are these so bad

>>106211948
Who do you think are paying these tariffs?

>>106212322
teach us anon

>>106212339
not all countries
but the US in particular was after bretton woods designated to be the global deracinated consumption center it was to have no policy opposing international devaluation and export policies in exchange for being the reserve currency

>>106212355
Not me. I don't pay for overpriced goods.
Sucks to suck wumao, enjoy your university stay and then fuck off back to dogboiling prefecture.

>>106212355
I don't know who is paying them I was told prices would double or triple overnight before the tariffs

>>106212339
It's not. It's just euros, jeets and chinks coping because they're finally getting a taste of their own medicine.

>>106212030
>when a ship from China docks in America, they pay the tariffs
I tried to order some very unique resin based activated carbon beads from China and they wanted me to give them an account # to pull the tariffs from.

Do you actually believe this? Are you that fucking stupid?

>>106211513 (OP)
wild seeing republicans cheer for taxes
the future is amazing

>>106211513 (OP)
>unpopular tariffs
direct democracy would solve these problems
the United States needs to decapitate the executive and empower ballot measures

>>106212394
unpopular with who

>>106212106
these tweets are written like they should be pure parody but they are real.

>>106212380
The bitter taste of Americans spending more money on goods.

>>106212401
business owners who want to import shit to add value or resell it directly

>>106212401
you know if they went to a ballot on a country by. country basis only the anti Chinese tariffs would pass

>>106212405
>business owners who want to import shit to add value or resell it directly
that does not sound like much of a business. Why not make products yourself and sell them?

>>106212378
Who told you they would triple? They have increased on many things 20-30% though. The thing is trump always chickens out at the last minute so a lot of stuff had the tariffs delayed or not applied to them at all.

Also many companies preloaded a ton of stuff before the tariffs took effect, so for many things it will take a while longer to see effects, but for others we can indeed already see them.

I guess to you 20-30% is acceptable to keep Trump's dick in your mouth 24/7 though.

>>106212393
Strong evidence for a kind of great man theory of history. Republicans can go on for decades and decades about how taxes are bad and the free market will sort it out, but it only takes one charismatic guy to come around and completely invert every ideological commitment.

>>106212424
not enough money in it. all those companies went out of business or rather somehow their executives decided to outsource production to Mexico or China

>>106212030
it's the imported who is responsible to pay the tariff to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection you fucking mongoloid. Same as when you order a products online from a foreign country the shipping company asks you to pay the taxes in advance because you are the one (importer/buyer) who is due to pay the import taxes/tariffs.

>>106212424
>Why not make products yourself and sell them?
Sounds like communism to me.

>>106211540
PPE is required for all coal companies. Simply report them if this is the case. Big doubt because that's million dollar fines, if it's company policy.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/mining/tools/respiratory-protection.html

>>106212491
kek

>>106211513 (OP)
inflation

>>106212528
is there a technology to require faggot politicians to be held accountable for campaign promises?

>>106212547
tank

>>106212547
This is a key to fixing politics in the west. Politicians should be accountable for promises they make and penalized for not delivering.

>>106211513 (OP)
The misunderstanding of *who* pays the tariffs is very prevalent

>>106212547
Yeah, it's even protected by the second amendment.
send

American consumers are paying billions of dollars of tax on imports

>>106212547
that would require the masses to have standards, but 'masses' and 'standards' are mutually exclusive notions

>>106212547
Yes, all Americans can buy it but no one is brave (or foolish, depends on your pov) enough to use it.

>>106212547
>>106212585
Trump campaigned on tariffs. All of this is him delivering on his campaign promises.

>>106212547
I have a solution, it's an ancient technique. Upon leaving office any politician will be subjected to an exit poll of the citizenry. The voters will decide between three options
1 execute and seize family assets
2 imprison for life
3 release

>>106212462
>amer*tard education

>>106212640
He campaigned on impossible outcomes. Tariffs, low prices and low interest rates. I know the american people are retarded but still it seems he should be held accountable.

>>106212547
>I will Tariff everything
>wins
>Tariffs everything
>WTF

....why did people vote for him

>>106212653
But he's already succeeded in those areas?

>>106212653
The people should be held accountable for being retarded. If some retard politician promises to double the size of everyone's dick and people elect him, who's fault is it? The retard or the people who voted for him?

>>106212424
What are you making?

>>106212547
>>106212585
>>106212618
>>106212623
>>106212640
What makes you think things would have been any better under Kamala, after the absolute joke of Biden's terms and even getting to know Kamala during this timeframe and realizing she absurdly more retarded than a literal senile old man?
Do not reply to this post unless you are capable of:
>unbiased answers
>original thoughts
>emphasis on being able to formulate your own opinions
>honesty

>>106212664
No, prices are higher. Many are talking about it. You will see shortly even the notoriously retarded american populace will blame incumbents for it.

>>106212673
Oh, they will

>>106212680
>What makes you think things would have been any better under Kamala
I don't.

>>106212491
Can this retard hurry up and execute all the H1b jeets and all the CEOs who are offshoring?

>>106212680
None of those posts say anything about kamala.

>>106212673
Problem is people are so retarded they will never recognize their mistakes and then do the same thing the next time someone promises to give everyone a giant cock

>>106212680
I'm not advocating Kamala would be better. In fact everyone should fucking piss in Biden's grave because he didn't let anyone run primaries and got us in this mess to begin with. He passed some defacto good legislation like the CHIPS Act which shows there's still a brain with the democrats.

>>106212680
They simply didn't campaign on that particular impossibility. There is no possibility of the executive lowing prices all price controls have been repeatedly struck down by courts leaving the only effective price control to be in the money supply which is increased through congressional borrowing and federal reserve fund rates, not the executive.

>>106212680
Biden was amazing economically though

>>106212698
That can be done socially. Shame can be used to bully people into not being retarded, east asian societies do this and it works.

>>106212673
Ultimately the boomers who voted for him will never be punished for their senility. But their children...

>>106212712
Americans are immune to shame.

>>106211903
You become richer by having to pay more for the same thing? Makes sense Vladimir Abdullah Trump

>>106212727
Is there a technology to fix this?

>>106212673
That's one of the basic problems of mass democracy. Giving sovereignty to an entirely unaccountable mass of retards.