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Anonymous No.106211661 >>106211697 >>106211709 >>106211726 >>106211734 >>106211749 >>106212172 >>106212364 >>106213446 >>106213759 >>106213773 >>106213837 >>106214015 >>106214207 >>106214680 >>106215807 >>106216887 >>106216922 >>106218070 >>106219949 >>106220393 >>106221241 >>106222069 >>106223810 >>106229199 >>106232884
Just learn to code bro
OCPD No.106211697 >>106211734 >>106217195 >>106220000 >>106220381 >>106221353 >>106224425 >>106228009 >>106230722
>>106211661 (OP)
If you're mediocre, you get nothing. Excellent CS grads can retire before they're 30. Fuck you, loser.
Anonymous No.106211707 >>106213837
>ai is a bubble
Anonymous No.106211709 >>106211721 >>106213809 >>106213956 >>106214207 >>106221711 >>106224442
>>106211661 (OP)
What's the alternative? Learn to trade?
Anonymous No.106211721 >>106211723 >>106214110
>>106211709
The same people who told you to go "into computers" are now telling you to become a plumber.
Anonymous No.106211723 >>106213379 >>106215152 >>106219834 >>106219960 >>106220008 >>106222746
>>106211721
The real invincible majors: medicine and law
Anonymous No.106211726 >>106211732
>>106211661 (OP)
This is not true at all.
I literally got a job offer today to train a python coding AI.
Anonymous No.106211732 >>106219562
>>106211726
Are you a woman?
Anonymous No.106211734 >>106213417 >>106218071 >>106222945
>>106211661 (OP)
It's not AI, in last 10 years the numbers of people "getting into tech" has reached over saturation points, too many retards are now "CS graduates" basically.
>>106211697
Not true at all.
Anonymous No.106211749
>>106211661 (OP)
More like, companies will make any excuse to hire 3rd world slaves instead of first world workers (slaves with a higher salary).
Anonymous No.106212172
>>106211661 (OP)
learn to draw, mate
Anonymous No.106212364
>>106211661 (OP)
I bet it's all vibe coding python monkeys. Literally just learn Java.
Anonymous No.106212398 >>106219574 >>106219834
There's only two viable careers left. Construction/Urban planning to house the endless waves of immigrants and third world births (7 babies per woman) plus environmental science to clean up the plastic/carbon dioxide that capitalism produced from said excessive population.

I switched from computing to environmental science and am a lot more confident in life.
Anonymous No.106212474
everyone here told me to learn to code. and i didn't.
Anonymous No.106213379 >>106213731 >>106213806 >>106213919 >>106213921 >>106214005 >>106214007 >>106214319 >>106215288 >>106217245 >>106220256 >>106220753 >>106222578 >>106222795 >>106223159 >>106223892 >>106225248 >>106225939 >>106228880 >>106230784
>>106211723
Honest question: How safe do you think those two disciplines really are?
Anonymous No.106213417
>>106211734
Seeing vague IT sciences still being the top degrees chosen in local unis despite the market crashing and burning is hilarious
Anonymous No.106213446 >>106214240 >>106214663 >>106217282
>>106211661 (OP)
Most computer science graduates cannot code though, it's not a requirement to pass the exams and considered more a side hobby.
Those that do will find a job easily.
Those that got a piece of paper without developing any actual skills will indeed struggle to find employment.
Anonymous No.106213540
i learned to program because it was fun. the money was nice. if i can't find a job doing that in the future ill retire.
but I'm pretty confident I'll still be able to see ml spam wrangling as a new form of programming
some day
Anonymous No.106213583 >>106215872
The H1B traitors love having AI as cover for what they're doing to the industry.
Anonymous No.106213731 >>106213832
>>106213379
>Mathematicians
Anonymous No.106213759
>>106211661 (OP)
The bar has raised, nothing to do with AI. It happens in all fields. Don't rely just on your CS education, get really good at development in specific areas and have something to show for yourself. (I am unemployed btw).
Anonymous No.106213773
>>106211661 (OP)
>joins uni
>gets brainwashed on palestine and transsexualism
>wonders why no one gives him job
Anonymous No.106213806
>>106213379
>CodeByPoo
Anonymous No.106213809
>>106211709
get an MBA and become a middle manager. it's the most useless role in any corporation but the last one they'll try to replace due to social-class reasons. btw you need family/nepo connections to get any good job in that field
Anonymous No.106213815 >>106225308
The reality is computer science grads are doing just fine, it's the ones without the Asian work ethic and communication skills that are finding difficulties. It used to be you could be a worthless loser in a closet somewhere, fixing computers when necessary, but now they expect you to be part of a team and this is where Asians excel thanks to their communal culture and innovative mindset.
Anonymous No.106213832
>>106213731
>retards ask chatgpt "what's 5 times 7"
microsoft genius stat wizards conclude "our metrics show ai is being used more and more for mathematics. pros better watch out"
Anonymous No.106213837
>>106211661 (OP)
nothing to do with ai
>>106211707
yes
Anonymous No.106213900
yeah, because after CS degree all you can do is monkey code
Anonymous No.106213919
>>106213379
>translators
Anonymous No.106213921
>>106213379
Some jobs exist solely for the human to be an ablative liability shield.
Centralizing everything is too financially risky.
Anonymous No.106213956 >>106222821 >>106224497
>>106211709
that's what worked for me at least
got into firefighting even though I'm still in the middle of my CS uni
couldn't find even a measly decent internship
whereas for FF all I had was to do was get a good score on a written test, pass the fitness test and there you go, I'm in
no more sending trillions of resumes a day and not even get a rejection call
I will still finish the uni anyway since it is important to have uni credentials for many things, but every day spent in my current job makes my interest in IT careers wane
Anonymous No.106214005 >>106214060 >>106219643
>>106213379
>Historians
i don't even care anymore. sure, what the hell.
Anonymous No.106214007
>>106213379
I used to work for an AmLaw 50 firm. We were automating away lower level (associate) attorney even twenty years ago. Firms absolutely will make use of AI for many tasks, especially discovery. It doesn't replace senior partners (they're co-owners anyway) but just like with software development, it reduces the need for junior level attorneys.
Already both attorneys and judges have been caught using AI to create documents for them. Likely many times more have been doing it without getting caught.
Anonymous No.106214015 >>106215872
>>106211661 (OP)
Even the headline isnโ€™t blaming AI, it says โ€œin the AI Ageโ€ because theyโ€™re fully aware the real problem is outsourcing and H1B abuse but the corporate overlords funding the NYT donโ€™t want to talk about that.
Anonymous No.106214060 >>106214763
>>106214005
how would that work? AI is unable to go out in the field, and do historic research. unless they just mean history teachers, in which case they were obsolete since we got internet and wiki.
Anonymous No.106214076 >>106214130 >>106214146
Oh look another faggot ass programmer "waaah my job is obsolete" thread. You got a whole fucking CS degree, go get another tech job. NO I won't talk about the other tech jobs, figure it out.
Anonymous No.106214110 >>106214710
>>106211721
the real answer is to become an agitprop talking head like matt walsh or jim acosta
billionaires pay good money to people willing to be their puppets
Anonymous No.106214130 >>106214186
>>106214076
>waste hundreds of thous to get a degree for that sweet, sweet SV bag
>plot twist: the bag is gone
>yeah bro, just do something else, whatever
Anonymous No.106214146 >>106214210
>>106214076
>go get another tech job
The problem is that this isn't some kind of unpopular advice anymore, people are already flocking en mass to all other tech fields, it won't be long before they are all saturated
Also it is much harder to get into the other fields as a beginner, good fucking luck getting into any hardware field as a fresh out of graduation junior, most of them expects you to have the same lengthy experience of a senio
Anonymous No.106214186 >>106214208
>>106214130
>Implying you even need a degree for a high paying tech job
Fucking git good then. But lets be real You deserve to be a loser, so keep doing what you're doing. I have no incentive to see you succeed, and neither does anyone else. It's like your some grubby homeless guy mad that no one wants your shitty paintings anymore. You can't adapt, you can't pivot to a new field; you aren't smart enough or driven enough to do that; so you really aren't as smart as you think you are. LOL

You're actually an idiot. You learned how to press one button, but not apply that learning to other things and make it in this world.
Anonymous No.106214207 >>106218860 >>106221144 >>106222627
>>106211661 (OP)
>>106211709
Anonymous No.106214208 >>106214231
>>106214186
I've been working in tech for almost 20 years, kiddo. I am set. it's just your "advice" is fucking useless for anyone starting now.
Anonymous No.106214210
>>106214146
Holy shit why don't you learn how to compete you fucking pussy. When the fuck was this life supposed to give you anything without work, dedication and risk. You're either a woman or some kind of freak. You absolute pussy faggot retard, I hate you whiney programming faggots.

You people never got rid of the ego despite the market kicking you in the fucking ass. You got warnings years ago to pivot, YEARS. "nnnno the other tech fields are too h-h-hard I'm not changing, the world needs to change for me!" You never learn, you seriously think you're above learning something new. You WILL be a failure anon, and I'm glad you're staying where you belong.
Anonymous No.106214231 >>106214248 >>106225359
>>106214208
It's not useless to me stupid bitch, I'm already hitting 100k+ within 4 years. I don't give a fucking rats ass about your experience, if it's gotten you THIS butt hurt and defeated. Your "advice" is also useless to anyone, at least I'm telling you to take action.

YOU are the bitch, and will be one even after sucking cock for 20 years. Fuck your 20 years, fucking adapt retard, or go die hungry.
Anonymous No.106214240
>>106213446
>Those that do will find a job easily.
this is wishful thinking from a cs major
Anonymous No.106214248 >>106214271
>>106214231
why are you so mad anon? they must be riding your ass real hard at work for you to be this frustrated.
Anonymous No.106214260 >>106214467
I also feel like you spergs aren't getting the memo that degrees are starting to matter less and less.
Anonymous No.106214271 >>106214295
>>106214248
Passion does not equal anger, but you're developmentally stunted, and you don't know how to interact with people so it seems the same. lmao.
Anonymous No.106214295 >>106214301
>>106214271
no way you have a tech job and sperg out like that at work. I call larp.
Anonymous No.106214301 >>106214337
>>106214295
Lmao, I just chewed out my coworker over prison rape being gay. I'm not in gay corporate spaces like you.
Anonymous No.106214319
>>106213379
I hate lawyers so fucking much.
Anonymous No.106214321
s/the ai age/the jeet age/g
Anonymous No.106214337 >>106214353
>>106214301
nope, the gig is up, sport.
Anonymous No.106214353
>>106214337
lmao, if you say so. Also, you're neo-vagina is leaking.
Anonymous No.106214467 >>106214481
>>106214260
Lol, covid is over anon
It's literally the other way around
No matter how many toy projects you have in your portfolio, AI will take your CV straight to the gutter without a degree
Anonymous No.106214481 >>106214590
>>106214467
>toy projects
>portfolio
LMAO, you're still stuck pre-covid. Who the fuck has a GitHub anymore.
Anonymous No.106214590 >>106214642
>>106214481
>anon materializes employment with sheer willpower
very based
Anonymous No.106214642
>>106214590
Yeah, not being a bum is magic now.
Anonymous No.106214663
>>106213446
I have 3 YOE and prospective employers treat me like a college student applying for an internship
Anonymous No.106214678
Apparently according to HR roastie your chances of landing a job are higher if you remove your degree from the resume. Uni is a scam and they are actively discriminating against degree holders due to how entitled and low skilled they are even compared to self taught coders.
Anonymous No.106214680 >>106214755
>>106211661 (OP)
you'd have to be pretty dumb to get into coding right now
it's like getting into weaving in the early 19th century
Anonymous No.106214710 >>106219654
>>106214110
You need to be rich and famous in the first place to be recruited like that. Besides influencers are also being replaced by AI despite consumer protest.
Anonymous No.106214755
>>106214680
THIS shit. The job is going out the window. There are tons of other tech diciplines, but you faggots don't like tech - you just wanted an "easy" job to slink into and be a shut in loser.

Those days are over.
Anonymous No.106214763 >>106214850 >>106215401
>>106214060
AI will hallucinate what life was for the average Bronze Age Kelt, or hallucinate what historical events happened in this city and for what political reasons. Then it will confidently proclaim it as a fact and other AIs will teach it in schools.
Anonymous No.106214850
>>106214763
>Kelt
Celt
Anonymous No.106215152
>>106211723
Well neither of those are majors and theyโ€™re all about getting into Med/Law School, which is harder than getting a new grad job (not counting CS majors in 2023+)
Anonymous No.106215288
>>106213379
>historians
no way they're this retarded
Anonymous No.106215401 >>106215436
>>106214763
someone really should be compiling a pre-AI knowledge base before it all gets corrupted, and we won't be able to determine anything is true anymore (or at least has a chance to be true). I imagine at some point some narrow group may be controlling all the true knowledge, while the rest is fed this random hallucinated slop.
Anonymous No.106215436 >>106215454
>>106215401
"true" knowledge is impossible, and you're retarded.
Anonymous No.106215454
>>106215436
anything is more true than some random neural network brain farts.
Anonymous No.106215807 >>106219834
>>106211661 (OP)
Learn AI architecture, or any kind of minor in AI. AI will be a huge industry in the 2030's and the only job left for humans. The US will want to build trillion dollar AI datacenters but can't since they'll be easy nuke targets, instead they'll pump infinite money into AI researchers to try to get the edge over China.
Anonymous No.106215872 >>106216329 >>106230601
>>106213583
>>106214015
H1Bs are paid in U.S. salaries you coping retards. It's not my problem if your IQ is only good enough to pump my gas and clean the windows at the gas station.
Anonymous No.106216329
>>106215872
ok ranjeet
Anonymous No.106216887
>>106211661 (OP)
Compsci faggots told me my major in Cybersecurity would be useless. Heh. Who's laughing now, fuckheads?
I've got job security, tee-hee
Anonymous No.106216922
>>106211661 (OP)
It has nothing to do with AI, or at least with AI "taking jobs". If anything, the AI bubble is the only thing keeping CS grads employable.
Anonymous No.106217195 >>106217346
>>106211697
>Excellent
If they're top 0.1%, sure. Top 10% might be lucky to even find a job in the industry.
Anonymous No.106217245
>>106213379
>passenger attendants/hosts and hostesses
>the people who are specifically there to provide human service
If they wanted them replaced they'd be replaced already.
>food's up, come get it you lazy shit, if you have a problem then ask the dude next to you
Anonymous No.106217282 >>106224364
>>106213446
lol
Over here, not America, there's maybe 1 junior role a day in a 50km radius (major city) and each junior role gets 500+ applicants. Does your resume say you're the best out of 50-100? No? They aren't even going to address your ability to code, you're just filtered (no they don't care about your projects unless they're wildly successful).
Anonymous No.106217346 >>106217362
>>106217195
Itโ€™s barely even merit based, itโ€™s mostly luck + insider connections for getting your first job/internship
Anonymous No.106217362 >>106217386 >>106219533
>>106217346
I'm sure it's merit based for the very VERY good ones, the rest goes to connections and luck.
Anonymous No.106217386
>>106217362
Yeah, Iโ€™m not saying thereโ€™s no merit, people still have to pass leetcode interview questions. Just that so much of it is a matter of luck and/or insider connections for the first couple years
Anonymous No.106218048
I majored in business in make $70k/year in a remote job at 24. I even got a bullshit specialization "information systems" but I ended up in transportation logistics.
Anonymous No.106218070
>>106211661 (OP)
I want to die.
Anonymous No.106218071
>>106211734
Add the jewtube bootcamp learners and it's so fucking over for the average goyim.
Anonymous No.106218846 >>106219478
>get CS degree (the womens studies of STEM)
>when you can just learn that shit on your own while learning something actually interesting or worthwhile
you faggots get what you deserve
Anonymous No.106218860
>>106214207
To trade not a trade. As in go get an etrade account and guess if gasoline is more expensive than it should be.
Anonymous No.106219478 >>106232974
>>106218846
Biology is the bad STEM degree. If you donโ€™t go to med school, etc. the degree is a dead end.

>brainchads
Math and physics/chemistry
>moneychads
CS
>midwits
Engineering
Anonymous No.106219533 >>106219551
>>106217362
HR roasties cannot tell them apart.

You can literally win a competition and they will send you through the hr process.
Anonymous No.106219551 >>106221750
>>106219533
That kind is scouted, the HR roasties don't touch them.
Anonymous No.106219562
>>106211732
Soon I'll be.
Anonymous No.106219574 >>106219596
>>106212398
>Construction/Urban planning to house the endless waves of immigrants and third world births
The ICE thinks otherwise.
Anonymous No.106219596 >>106219616
>>106219574
Your newest fell for it again award's in the mail.
Anonymous No.106219616
>>106219596
I'll better start learning Spanish then.
Anonymous No.106219643
>>106214005
Bro you don't really have an excuse for not knowing
Anonymous No.106219654
>>106214710
>influencers are also being replaced by AI
Oh no, now they'll have to get a real job! Kek
Anonymous No.106219834 >>106221158
>>106211723
ChatGPT makes legal decisions, perpetually interpreting local laws and providing or withholding information according to context. Classifying legality of text is just one task comprising the massive range this technology is capable of that would decrease labor in specifically the legal field. Parsing tens of thousands of documents simultaneously to derive context for a case reduces labor by at least a third. In terms of medicine, neural networks have already designed dozens of drugs. Massive companies were being established around this implementation of neural networks years before LLMs.
>Insilico
>Exscientia
>Atomwise
AI can classify fractures, tumors, trauma, ruptures- all at rates more accurate than human doctors. They will likely use these tools to classify such, lowering the labor requirements.
>>106212398
>construction
There are several implementations of drone bricklayers, or even entire houses 3D printed with concrete. Besides that, putting a nail in wood is left to humans but the same can't be said for
>welding
>excavation
>anything sufficiently dangerous, raising costs
>quality assurance
>>106215807
AI itself approaches the point of perfecting AI. For example, generative weight initialization, generative model structure through problem schematic analysis, and even the now brute force design of entire models and pipelines by LLMs.
>Learn AI architecture
I'm completely inclined to agree though, because I know this technology will completely wash away all familiarity of today's society, which I existentially despise.
Anonymous No.106219949
>>106211661 (OP)
do this in front of openAI's offices
Anonymous No.106219960
>>106211723
>medicine
doctor raj and doctor patel are replacing you
>law
nepotism: the career
Anonymous No.106220000 >>106220415 >>106230696
>>106211697
>Trust the meritocracy goy! Rajeesh with his 70 IQ and fake degree is better than you, not because he's willing to work for pennies to feed his village!
Anonymous No.106220008 >>106220043 >>106224463
>>106211723
law is oversaturated with english majors who do a second degree because they're good at reading or something.
medicine is good at the moment because boomers are getting older and sicker. once they're gone in 10-20 years there's going to be an oversaturation
Anonymous No.106220043 >>106220149
>>106220008
Bold of you to assume our governments aren't going to force infinite expansion with jeets.
Anonymous No.106220149 >>106220180
>>106220043
There's hardly any real expansion. When you think of growth you probably think of stocks, which are a shitty abstraction of a company's value as it's slowly gobbled up by holding companies re-investing dividends. Compared to post-depression US, we're developing land and infrastructure at literally a 1/100th rate. Many states struggle to maintain existing infrastructure- governor campaigns focused around repairing roads, bridges, or even plumbing, lol. The unfortunate reality is any representation of overarching trends will be displayed, curated, on a screen.
Anonymous No.106220180 >>106220372
>>106220149
No I'm explicitly thinking population. Why the fuck would I think that jeets will raise stocks?
Anonymous No.106220256 >>106220290
>>106213379
1. AI is not the reason programmers cannot find employment.
>AI can probably already do a better job.
>Your average overworked and rushed doctor/PA or your retarded tiktok nurse will make worse decisions than an AI.
>The overworked legal intern or paralegal Karen that actually does all the work will likely make more mistakes than AI.
2. The reason medicine and law are "invincible" is because of lobbying groups restrict employment with barriers to entry.
>They are already importing Indian "doctors" to alleviate the shortage, they are letting tiktok nurses write prescriptions, most competent White Men are denied entry while old rich Jew doctors take all the profit.
>Law also easily gets saturated, 10 years ago there was a "glut" of lawfags getting paid minimum wage to intern slave for a Jewish law firm.
Notice a trend as to what's *really* going on?
Anonymous No.106220290 >>106220349
>>106220256
It's a huge reason. Increasing productivity cuts jobs if the company doesn't increase output.
Anonymous No.106220349 >>106220362
>>106220290
AI isn't "increasing productivity."
Lines of code != productivity.
Programmers are professionals and their output is not tangible like the number of dildos a factory can produce.
Yes, middle management is retarded and amazed by AI and how fast Pajeet can produce spaghetti.
Firms overhired during COVID, and now they are cutting back.
High interest rates ensure VC can't fund competition to "disrupt" Big Tech, which was another major driver for the overhiring.

Pic related is basically what was going on, except in tech as opposed to marketing.
When there's contraction in the economy (due to high interest rates) management tries to get rid of the bad half of spending, and they will keep going until something blows up.
Anonymous No.106220362 >>106220402
>>106220349
>Lines of code != productivity.
Completing tasks quicker is productivity. Sure the number of tasks increases over time but this is preventing that from meaning they need to hire workers.
If it were just a problem with too many people being hired and too much being spent on employees then juniors wouldn't be almost exclusively targeted here.
Anonymous No.106220372 >>106220386
>>106220180
there's certain things im more than obliged to say, and you've taken no such liberties.
Anonymous No.106220381
>>106211697
AGI gonna show you your comment when it comes for your ass because it can do your job better and you're no longer a useful member of the society so you gotta be removed from draining precious resources. live by the sword die by the sword, as the saying goes.
Anonymous No.106220386
>>106220372
I say what I want to say, fuck your obligations and fuck jeets.
Anonymous No.106220391 >>106220407
i'm seeing a lot of influencers like primeagen talk about how underwhelming and shit ai is.

this makes me think programming jobs will be fine for the next decade or so, until there's a paradigm shift from llms to something else.
Anonymous No.106220393
>>106211661 (OP)
Imagine thinking computer science and coding is the same thing
Stupid idea that ruins academia at an alarming rate.
Anonymous No.106220402 >>106220426
>>106220362
>Completing tasks quicker is productivity.
Again, tasks are not dildos a factory completes at a specific rate.
Pajeet or AI can write a ton of spaghetti that seems to solve your "task" faster than the White Guy who does it the right way, but this creates TECHNICAL DEBT that will burn you in the future.
>If it were just a problem with too many people being hired and too much being spent on employees then juniors
Are you retarded? Of course the Juniors are first to be fired.
Start from Wanamaker's quote: โ€œHalf the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half.โ€
THE FIRST THING if you want to cut wasteful spending is freeze hiring.
You don't want to make the job of finding the wasteful spending more difficult.
Anonymous No.106220407
>>106220391
>programming jobs
Which ones?
Junior is already dead.
Mid level will probably be fine for 5-10~ years.
Seniors probably won't be touched for decades unless there's some serious innovation.
Anonymous No.106220415
>>106220000
2real anon
Anonymous No.106220426 >>106220457
>>106220402
*this currently creates technical debt
You also forget that someone's prompting it, if that person's even remotely competent then they're not just copying/pasting they're making sure it's what they're after.
>THE FIRST THING if you want to cut wasteful spending is freeze hiring.
Seniors are still being hired.
As I said, this is only a problem for juniors (at the moment).
Anonymous No.106220457 >>106220472
>>106220426
Yes a good vibe coder will audit the code generated by AI.
There is a major problem though: a proper audit could take longer than starting from scratch.
So you always have to do some amount of "vibing" if you want to increase productivity with AI.
It's unclear if this actually is a net benefit over any technical debt created.
>Seniors are still being hired.
Got any stats to back that up?
Tech already has extreme age discrimination against older programmers.
Most likely senior developers are just staying put, and management is too afraid to layoff seniors (for now).
Who do you think is a more "essential worker" the Zoomer that's only been there a year? Or the Boomer that's been there 20 years?
From the manager's point of view, the Zoomer is less risky to layoff, even if there is a lot of waste at the higher levels.
Anonymous No.106220472 >>106220478 >>106220570
>>106220457
>Got any stats to back that up?
Over half of all dev job postings are for senior+ devs, stop pretending like it isn't a thing.
Anonymous No.106220478 >>106220489
>>106220472
How do you know those job postings aren't fake, just like all the fake junior ones?
Anonymous No.106220489 >>106220522 >>106220570
>>106220478
>they're just all fake bro, trust me! All job postings are just fake!
Anonymous No.106220494 >>106220515 >>106220575 >>106220927
what the fuck do we do bros? i sent like 25 applications the other day and i got zero replies
Anonymous No.106220515 >>106220927
>>106220494
Nothing. Cry with the rest of us.
Anonymous No.106220522 >>106220570 >>106220591 >>106229216
>>106220489
A company that's trying to keep Pajeet on H1B or get a Green Card sponsorship, is required by law to post the job and they can only do so if they can prove there is no qualified American for the job.
Pajeet has been there for 5 years, of course it's a senior role that's more affected by that.
The bigger picture is that: job postings aren't a good indicator. Show me some actual stats of time between jobs for senior developers.
I suspect it's actually worse than juniors at the moment, in reality. But most seniors are just holding tight at their current job.
Anonymous No.106220570
>>106220472
>>106220522
>>106220489
Also all the HR Karen's have been doing the "requires 3 years of experience" for entry level jobs even during the booming job market.
The advice given was "apply anyways" which did work back then, and now it doesn't.
Anonymous No.106220575 >>106220588 >>106220927
>>106220494
I'm going into HVAC. Luckily around these parts SWE don't get paid all that much more than tradies (though SWE do get more out of experience, with tradies there's a point where you'd have to start your own company to up your pay). I have no idea what Americans are supposed to do, they're getting fucked from both sides, or spitroasted if you will.
Anonymous No.106220588 >>106220702
>>106220575
1. Tradies are all oversaturated also. You'd make more working at Chipotle, seriously.
2. To start your own company you have to get certs by sucking off a Boomer to become his "apprentice" and then slave away for a decade before he gives you the certs you need.
Anonymous No.106220591 >>106220615
>>106220522
Yeah we don't have that here and basically all the jobs I've seen explicitly say they're only hiring people who can already legally work in the country.
You want to see postings that are definitely not fake? Look at government jobs, they're all senior+ too.
Anonymous No.106220615 >>106220771
>>106220591
Okay maybe it's just your country then.
In the US, Government is also laying people off, lots of unemployed Black Women under the Trump regime.
They aren't hiring senior either.
Outside the US, software developers haven't been overpaid like in the US. So it is certainly surprising that juniors are still getting fucked wherever you are.
Anonymous No.106220702
>>106220588
I'm assuming you're talking about America, that isn't the case over here.
>trades are in demand, construction's booming, electricians make bank, diesel fitters make even more, certain heavy machine operators make as much as senior SWE, trades also get overtime out the ass
>to start your own company you do need additional education, iirc you need a contracting license, as for being an apprentice you need that to enter the trades to begin with (and they aren't too hard to get, they only ask for someone who's competent and there are companies that train apprentices en masse).
For reference
>SWE architects get about $130-$150k USD, obviously I'd expect the more talented ones at better companies to get some amount more
>mid level SWE gets about $65k
>juniors get around $50k (>implying they get any work)
>electricians get $80-$90k
>heavy diesel mechanics/fitters/operators get $100-$120k
>HVAC/plumbers get $65-$80k
>our minimum wage is $32.5k
Anonymous No.106220753 >>106220815 >>106223529
>>106213379
Anyone who's ever worked as a translator knows the difficulty in translating isn't just simply being a human dictionary, but transfering sentences that can't be truely "translated" into another language. And sometimes you just have to invent words. AI will never be able to do that. Can't imagine anyone would ever want to read machine translated novels for that reason, it will have no soul.
Anonymous No.106220771
>>106220615
We have outsourcing and LLMs too, and I'm sure economic factors are contributing.
It's not like there are no junior jobs at all but there are too few for the number of graduates so it's reached a point where you're just competing with too many people to realistically find entry level work, especially if you're not very good or your resume isn't spectacular (I know mine isn't).
Anonymous No.106220815 >>106223529
>>106220753
>manga I'm reading has 1 untranslated chapter in the middle (1-14 were fan translated, 16+ were licensed)
>decide fuck it, paste the images into google translate 1 by 1
>have no idea what the fuck they're saying half the time
>also hurt my neck because it writes the english text sideways
LLM translators have a ways to go.
Anonymous No.106220927 >>106221060
>>106220494
>>106220515
>>106220575
it's over
Anonymous No.106221060
>>106220927
Anonymous No.106221144
>>106214207
wageslave for shit job to build a skyrise you will never be able to afford a unit it.
Anonymous No.106221158
>>106219834
>AI itself approaches the point of perfecting AI.
Since when all studies have show that AI has consumed all knowledge and literally slowed down progress. You can't have AI hallucinate data and train itself, that shit fails fast. There will have to be new breakthroughs that are beyond just optimizing LLM's.
Anonymous No.106221241 >>106221292 >>106223852
>>106211661 (OP)
correlation doesn't imply causation.
despite the ai, at my company we still need juniors.
so this seems to be like an american problem. probably something to do with your interest rates and covid overhiring.
Anonymous No.106221292 >>106222588
>>106221241
>at my company we still need juniors
Yet you'll never hire any, curious.
Anonymous No.106221353
>>106211697
>If you're mediocre, you get nothing. Excellent CS grads can retire before they're 30. Fuck you, loser.
Anonymous No.106221711
>>106211709
Learn to be surplus reserve unemployed and possibly die in a war because the system of global trade is disintegrating
Anonymous No.106221750 >>106221886
>>106219551
hes referring to some twitter post about a guy who won a paid trip to some company event after winning some challenge and then having hr lose his resume and never hearing back from anyone after he asked for a job
Anonymous No.106221886
>>106221750
That just sounds like HR being fucking retarded (as expected).
Anonymous No.106222069 >>106222080 >>106224478
>>106211661 (OP)
How's the embedded / industrial field going? I find programming servoes and displays in C fun
Anonymous No.106222080
>>106222069
costcentered and jeeted
here it's all indogs and such but the particular type of brown is not important
Anonymous No.106222578 >>106222771
>>106213379
That is not entirely accurate. What is happening, is that junior roles are replaced by AI so that senior lawyers need fewer juniors to assist them. so people are unlikely to be fired but there will be a huge hole in the junior segment opening up the next 10 years.
Of course, the problem is that seniors were once juniors and there will 10 years from now a lot fewer juniors to promote into senior positions. If AI in 10 years are even more improved, law firms will just need partners, and hope they can promote someone from the outside somewhere later down the road. And that is far from given.

t.Patent Attorney
Anonymous No.106222588
>>106221292
They only want cheap slaves
Anonymous No.106222627
>>106214207
Grok - bring up what wage labor looks like in Dubai.
>implying this isn't the future of wagies
Anonymous No.106222746
>>106211723
Medicine is going no where unless your goal is to be another ant in a large city.

The type of life 4chan spouts of being white with some virgin farm girl has never ending need for doctors in fly over states.
Anonymous No.106222771
>>106222578
>wanting to work for someone else
anyone selling their time to a business is going to be crushed to death over the next 20 years. high IQ will go independent regardless of whether or not they're qualified to do so (just get a big E&O policy and find a paid mentor.)
Anonymous No.106222795 >>106222820
>>106213379
Half these jobs are either dead or just a function of some other title.

Passenger Attendants? Is AI going to go up/down alie to serve drinks? How well is it going to manage people having a melty?

Tech writing is already rolled up into other roles.

WTF is getting hired just to be a proofreader? That got killed with word. Only people with that title is Sam whose uncle got him a job so he isn't sticking crayons up his nose all day.

Telephone Operator...
Anonymous No.106222810 >>106223141
I took the "doing crime does indeed pay" pill and just last week I made more than I did in a decade of doing low level C programming slop.

Dealing drugs is based as fuck.
Anonymous No.106222820
>>106222795
the list was the result of some codetranny jeet at microshart taking a wild guess based on jewgle descriptions of professions.
>mmm yes saaar the historians job be doing the text readings AI can do these needfuls,,,
Anonymous No.106222821
>>106213956
Right choice anon. Keep FF, stay fit, and get laid all while rarely seeing a full fire. People will think you're fighting multi story fires all over the place when reality you're just answering people passing out and grease fires.
Anonymous No.106222945
>>106211734
This. Weโ€™ve combined oversaturation, with high interest rates, with a fucked up tax write off policy for SWE, and an unstable economy. Weโ€™re experiencing a correction right now. We were never meant to have millions of programmers, we were meant to have a few hundred thousand and always run a bit lean so we were forced to be creative and prioritize.

AI is an excuse for Mr nosebergenstein to cut his budget without spooking investors. It was always overhiring during Chong flu, too many normies and DEI hires learning to code, higher interest rates and tax section 174.
Anonymous No.106223141
>>106222810
Hope you'll not pay with a decade of your life for that
Anonymous No.106223159
>>106213379
Based on current AI modeling, I can promise you they're not replacing writers any time soon.
Anonymous No.106223529
>>106220753
I text with japanese and korean people every day on discord using an AI-translation tool and barely notice any issue.

>>106220815
I've done the same and had great results, but not using google translate obviously. Try posting the pages into an actual image-recognition AI
Anonymous No.106223810 >>106232831
>>106211661 (OP)
Anonymous No.106223852
>>106221241
>so this seems to be like an american problem. probably something to do with your interest rates and covid overhiring.
yep. even if it's not specifically those things it's probably related to some specific policy.
Anonymous No.106223892
>>106213379
How out of touch is Microsoft?
Radio DJs and presenters. No one wants to listen to AI ad a radio DJ or a sports presenter.
And no one wants to pay for AI slop fiction or non fiction books either.
Hosts and hostesses? A physical job? Lmao.
Anonymous No.106224098
chemical engineering still feels safe for now, but I have 10 years of experience, I'm sure new grads are getting raped
Anonymous No.106224166 >>106224182 >>106224428
>coders have had it easy for years while other industries have dealt with hell
>directly contribute to cost of living issues in many cities on top of voting and donating to the most politically pozzed policies possible
>suddenly when your 300k a year do nothing job is under attack the world is ending

is there a bigger group of egotistical niggers in the workplace than coders, basically every other career is watching this and enjoying it, no one is coming to bat for you
Anonymous No.106224182
>>106224166
coding is my passion and the pay is really cool and it gives me a sense of purpose so altogether it makes me worried to see the professional threatened. i don't see why it's wrong for me to feel that way. i don't attack other professions
Anonymous No.106224251
Compared to other engineering majors CS is still easier to enter.
Anonymous No.106224364
>>106217282
>junior role
why take a junior role? just code on NEETBUX and try making something. when you make something and it doesn't work out you have a bunch of jobs lined up your way anyways
Anonymous No.106224425
>>106211697
>Excellent CS grads can retire before they're 30.
You're not one of them, pajeet.
Anonymous No.106224428 >>106224440
>>106224166
Nigger without coders you wouldn't be able to write your shitty opinion here
Anonymous No.106224440 >>106224664
>>106224428
and that attitude is why no one cares that AI is eating your lunch lol
Anonymous No.106224442
>>106211709
>What's the alternative?
Anything that can be automated with LLMs.
>Learn to trade?
No. Not enough jobs, and normies are flooding the job market.
Anonymous No.106224463 >>106224492 >>106230930
>>106220008
>medicine is good at the moment because boomers are getting older and sicker.
Medicine, like doctors and specialists? No. What you're describing is the huge demand for at-home nurses and senior care professionals. *That's* the new, hot market.
Anonymous No.106224478
>>106222069
>How's the embedded / industrial field going?
terrible. jeets and AI are flooding the space.
Anonymous No.106224492 >>106224527
>>106224463
brownoids do that too
Anonymous No.106224497
>>106213956
FF is unironically based. No trannies, barely any women, minorities are there to work hard, and most stations are white and male.
Anonymous No.106224527 >>106227975
>>106224492
Not the case in suburbs and fly-over states.
Anonymous No.106224664
>>106224440
>AI
Nah it's rajeesh because your owners are cheapskates and it's coming for you too
Anonymous No.106225248 >>106225363 >>106225947 >>106232848
>>106213379
Lawfags will just make it illegal for an AI to do their job when it becomes qualified to.
Anonymous No.106225308
>>106213815
Shut up chang. That's not how it works.
>t.asian
Anonymous No.106225359
>>106214231
You will never be a woman. So, stop sucking the cock of your boss. The words you are using are the exact words your boss used to groom you into thinking that you will do big in your life.
Anonymous No.106225363 >>106225374
>>106225248
Didn't even think of that, Lawfags are kinda based for that one. Too bad Jews decide everything and will override the lawfags.
Anonymous No.106225374
>>106225363
...The Jews ARE the lawfags. So it's not based. It's "protection for me, but not for thee"
Anonymous No.106225939
>>106213379
>all cushy white-collar jobs
lol, I remember when these smug dorks were all insisting that there would be no more farmers, butchers, bricklayers, truck drivers, pavers, etc... in 5 years or whatever, and now THEY are the first ones on the chopping block. Turns out it is a lot easier to automate FAKE BULLSHIT than it is to autmoate actual physically productive labour. Better start learning how to frame a wall, nerds.
Anonymous No.106225947
>>106225248
Ai is useful for finding sources and relvant case law but there is a risk of hallucinations. So a human has to check what is found. And the tools are here already:
https://www.epo.org/en/news-events/news/myepo-services-launch-groundbreaking-ai-powered-legal-search-tool
Anonymous No.106227603 >>106229611
>Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle.
https://archive.is/r0roh
>โ€œThe rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures for your starting salary,โ€ Ms. Mishra, now 21, recalls hearing as she grew up in San Ramon, Calif.
>Those golden industry promises helped spur Ms. Mishra to code her first website in elementary school, take advanced computing in high school and major in computer science in college. But after a year of hunting for tech jobs and internships, Ms. Mishra graduated from Purdue University in May without an offer.
Anonymous No.106227975 >>106228917 >>106229622
>>106224527
Nobody wants to move to where the jobs are. That's a thing boomers did, like chumps.
Anonymous No.106228009 >>106230714
>>106211697
It's statistically impossible for most people to be better than mediocre.
Anonymous No.106228880 >>106229190
>>106213379
There are honestly only 2200 mathematicians employed in the entire US? That's insane to me. Everything runs on math at its base. Major breakthroughs in math could change the world.
Anonymous No.106228917 >>106229622
>>106227975
Where are the jobs...?
Anonymous No.106229190
>>106228880
the vast vast majority of people aren't intelligent enough to contribute meaningfully to math. of those who are smart enough to maybe accomplish something, they are more productive elsewhere.
Anonymous No.106229199
>>106211661 (OP)
new let's see those h1b numbers
Anonymous No.106229216 >>106230536
>>106220522
>hello saar is your name patel?
>no? ok my mistake
>please talk to our engineer patel for a technical exam
>oh i'm sorry sir, you did not pass the technical exam
Anonymous No.106229358
I think it has more to do with the lieklihood in general in landing a job out of college.
jobs right out of college are competitive.
I did americorps after college.
teachers and nurses get placed usually.
Theres places of garunteed service.
and alot of it is government funded.
CS is one of those degrees you gotta keep a portfolio for.
Anonymous No.106229611
>>106227603
>Mishra
send her back to india
Anonymous No.106229622
>>106227975
>>Nobody wants to move to where the jobs are.
Many places where the jobs are have high costs of living.
>>106228917
>>Where are the jobs...?
Cities. Remote work is the only sustainable path forward.
Anonymous No.106229648
I started working as a dishwasher earlier this year
Anyway I probably should have tried harder in University but once I learned about the need to network I lost all motivation, didn't bother with internships and just graduated
Anonymous No.106230536
>>106229216
can i talk to synthesizer patel
Anonymous No.106230601
>>106215872
enjoy your upcoming deportation
Anonymous No.106230696
>>106220000
Sucks to be a loser eh
Anonymous No.106230714 >>106230774
>>106228009
What's it like being 13?
Someone who's mediocre at CS might be good at something else.
And just because you exist (were shat out as another useless mouth) doesn't mean the world owes you shit. Lace up or die cunt.
Anonymous No.106230722 >>106230753
>>106211697
How much does a 30 year old need to retire in this year of our Lord?
Anonymous No.106230753 >>106230781
>>106230722
What country?
In the USA, you probably need $10 mil USD net worth to retire at 30
Anonymous No.106230774 >>106230833
>>106230714
Calm down Rajesh.
He's right, it's pointless to criticize mediocrity. It is a relative characteristic and by definition inevitable.
Anonymous No.106230781 >>106230960
>>106230753
Sweet, I'm 39 with $13M
Still looking to move into an ML job for fun though
Anonymous No.106230784
>>106213379
>Poonam
Anonymous No.106230833
>>106230774
I'm white and it's pathetic to me seeing people like you whine about how unfair life is. You're just stupid and bring nothing useful to the table, sorry to break the news to ya.
Anonymous No.106230869
Don't feel too bad CScels I'm currently panic upskilling cyber security so you guys dont take my job
Anonymous No.106230897
my son must be given preferrential treatment in nursing programs. it's only fair. i don't want him to become a god damn ai prooompter
Anonymous No.106230930 >>106231022
>>106224463
>Boomers have shitted on your future so hard they have LITERALLY made your only purpose in life to wipe the shit off them.
Anonymous No.106230960 >>106231022
>>106230781
Take the money and bail the country. Even Europe with its taxes will be step up due to the medical net. Otherwise you can shack up in some third world/east aisa and get blowies all day as your money goes 10x further than here.
Anonymous No.106231022 >>106231077
>>106230930
Go back pajeet
>>106230960
I'm learning Japanese but I doubt that's what you mean
Anonymous No.106231077
>>106231022
>Go back pajeet
What are you talking about? You just said what he is explaining.
Anonymous No.106232831
>>106223810
That's because they use AI to write their resumes and cover letters and can spam it out like nothing.
Anonymous No.106232848
>>106225248
Lawfags don't make laws they argue laws. Politicians make laws.
Anonymous No.106232884 >>106232947
>>106211661 (OP)
Its funny how someone wrote this article and wrote that title, yet never considered that most companies don't use "AI" at all, and the ones that do just got some private instance of chatgpt that their employees can prompt. Please find me an example of a real company that has replaced SWEs with vibecoders.
Anonymous No.106232947
>>106232884
Salesforce (they regret it).
Anonymous No.106232974
>>106219478
>Math and physics
Brokies unless jewish and can get into quant firms
>chemistry
LMAO
>CS
SAAAAR
>Engineering
Go tell an antenna engineer he's a midwit you vantablack gorilla nigger