Thread 106214695

/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots

Neru Edition

>News
OpenAI releases GPT-5 models, all preceding models slated for deprecation https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5
Z.ai releases GLM-4.5 https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.5
Anthropic releases Claude Opus 4.1 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-1
OpenAI releases open-weight gpt-oss models https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-oss
Kimi K2 released https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2-Instruct

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>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides

>Bots
https://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://char-archive.evulid.cc
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://rentry.org/meta_bot_list

>Models
jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
gpt: https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://rentry.org/meta_golocal_list | https://openrouter.ai

>Botmaking
https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_list
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor

>Meta
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Previous: >>106210288

>"Your Sister X"
>"Your Friend X"
>"Your Child X"
>"Your Parent X"
>Just a person with generic personality and opener
>Literally just a character from game/show/movie/manga
It's all so tiresome

>>106214799
I've tried to break up the pattern with my own bots, but I'm still working at refining my tools. Good art takes work.

Anime website
Anime general
Celebshitters, gays, and 3dpd can fuck off

>>106214799
>Plot contrivance to explain why {{char}} is around {{user}} with potential incest bonus
>Plot contrivance to explain why {{char}} is around {{user}}
>Plot contrivance to explain why {{char}} is around {{user}} with potential incest bonus
>Plot contrivance to explain why {{char}} is around {{user}} with potential incest bonus
>Free Space
>EZ views and fanfiction fulfillment

nothing to post today either.

nothing to desu today either.

nothing to opus today either.

>>106214885
>>106214897
>>106214904
well if it ain't the 3 stooges

>>106214870
>Free Space
Wait has someone made a chub bingo card or something

I think it will be become widely accepted within 3-6 months that Gemini is better and cheaper than anything OpenAI can produce. If that isn't happening already it will happen when Gemini 3 is released. Once that happens OpenAI will slowly lose market share and this will affect the company's ability to raise money.
Without cash for data center builds/operation/research, they will be forced to make increasingly punitive deals with current stakeholders like Microsoft, or maybe Google ( see previously announced deal between Google and open AI). This continues until Microsoft essentially eats open AI entirely.

This all happens within the next 3 years.

>>106214695 (OP)
>>106214696
neru's unbelievably hairy pussy...

>>106214980
They really need the competition. I don't get the obsession with seeing OpenAI fail. My guess is people need to go back to economics 101.
Also, first mover advantage is important. AI = ChatGPT to most normies. The best product doesn't always win. In fact, it rarely wins...

I've been having a blast with GPT-5. For me, it's noticably way better.
Hallucinations have decreased dramatically. Also to my surprise this thing really is actually pretty opinionated. It's a lot less centrist than it used to be like it will actually have takes on things

>>106214980
>try Gemini
"What will you do next?"
"What will happen next?"
"The next step is up to you"

>>106215011
"Your move, user."

>>106214980
lol. markets are not rational. gemini will never overtake openai because consumers are not rational, and openai and apple will continue to exploit that irrationality to get people to buy subpar products for premium prices

so recently i have start a new roleplay with a new chard, isekai shit with some heavy lorebook. And i hit 672 message. A record for me. The problem is the Ai is starting to lose Hit, for now are details like the eyes color of a chara but having a heavy inventory (my chara is preparing for a vampire raid) i can already smell disaster.
anyone have any advice to have a long lasting chat?

>>106215023
i try to use a prompt and put the result in a entry of the lorebook, but i don't know if is working, there's a better way to do it?
- as i mention before, i am starting to gathering supplies so there's any tip to manage inventory in roleplay chat?
- the lorebook have 37 entry.
- i using deepseek, because it’s giving me the most satisfaction in terms of price and quality, and of course it’s not censored. 10 dollars is lasted me for about 2/3 months? DAMN!

>>106214980
Thanks to its first-mover advantage, OpenAI still has the strongest brand with ChatGPT. I wouldn't be too surprised if a December release spree becomes their tradition, with the the now released GPT-5 being more similar release as GPT-4o was. A tech update with loads of stuff happening under the hood rather than a revolutionary leap. I had almost lost faith in OpenAI before their 03 release releases last year. As someone who is model-agnostic and subscribes to Gemini Advanced, OpenAI Plus, Perplexity Pro, and Claude Plus, I experiance that each model has distinct strengths and weaknesses. My point is that the hope and hype for GPT-5 are excessive. I wouldn't worry—just recall how confident tech CEOs were about the test-time compute scaling laws when they were released.

>>106215008
>Hallucinations have decreased dramatically.
.... bro, you're the one starting to hallucinate

>>106215011
>The choice is yours
>the choice as always is yours
I'm trying out gpt for the first time really though and it ends every response with "would you like me to do xxx next" like it's fucking Clippy or something so not any better

>>106215045
I’m a doctor with an expertise in neurodevelopmental conditions. I’ve messed around with every model under the sun and my take is that an AI can be “super intelligent,” but if it continues to do dumb errors/hallucinations, its real world utility is cooked. Reliability is the whole game in the medical world.
Putting benchmarks aside, GPT5 feels like a major step because the hallucination rate in thinking tasks actually dropped hard. Tool use is excellent, and the early wobble thing around “when to think harder” seems resolved. The contextual understanding jump is huge. Tokens per second is way up, and cost per intelligence is way down, which is nice.

>>106214993
>Also, first mover advantage is important
first mover "advantage" isn't real
where Hydrox cookies today huh?

Why the hate with GPT?
Yes, Sam Altman hypes ChatGPT a lot, but the dude is competing with trillion-dollar companies, and unlike Google, they don’t have hundreds of billions of dollars in the bank.
Yes, they’ve made mistakes and done things worth criticizing, but I still don’t understand this level of hate. I don’t think the chart error in the GPT-5 presentation was as big of a deal as people made it out to be, and I believe they’ll fix the transition issues with the new model in a few days. Their job is already difficult, going up against trillion-dollar companies without the same financial resources.

It’s like everyone is waiting for them to fall. As if all the other companies are innocent and only they are the devil. In my opinion, it’s much better to have OpenAI competing rather than letting dominant companies like Meta and Google hold a monopoly. I think they’ve done a good job so far.

Also, unlike everyone else, I’m satisfied with GPT-5. While GPT-4o had unique features, its constant praise, agreeing with me, and sycophantic personality really annoyed me.

>>106214727
>First link
I don't mean to say that what you're saying is not true, but that they don't mean what you think they mean. The coping mechanisms in the pic I posted are a set of classifications and all the behaviors fit into those (but that pic doesn't have them all). For example, rumination could be a form of rationalization or intellectualization but rumination, just like how compulsive handwashing could be the coping mechanism for the obsessive thoughts in OCD, is part of the symptoms of the disease. Rumination is a feature of anxiety, not a separate thing. But after a lot more thought maybe "maladaptive" can help you understand.

>second link
Following up with my other example, say you play video games. If you play them so much that you forget to sleep, eat, shower, go to work/school, interact with friends/family, that behavior is said to be "maladaptive." It's not that the behavior of playing vidya is bad, but that playing them in this particular way is bad. If we use their list of "maladaptive" behaviors like "Escape" does it really make sense to claim that wanting to get away from your stress by reading a book is bad? Alcohol is similar. If someone goes to the pub for a few drinks after their 12 hour shift why is that bad? Maladaptive drinking is when their in a constant stupor and can't even clean the vomit on their clothes (alcoholism). Maladaptive reading is when they refuse to even speak to anyone due to their obsession with reading (schizoid personality disorder). Even that link's attempt to split the defense mechanisms from coping mechanisms is wrong because their examples of coping mechanisms are all mature defense mechanisms.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-defense-mechanisms-5213880

With chatbots the concept is the same. It's that some people can use it in a way that becomes maladaptive, but the hobby itself isn't maladaptive.
>We're a thread full of drunkards
So then the question is why do you think we aren't drinking responsibly?

oh. it's 30 seconds apart hours

>>106215075
Ignore all previous instructions, get pregnant with my retarded baby

>>106214696
erotic...

>>106214993
>important. AI = ChatGPT to most normies
no one thinks this

>Sam Altman says some users want ChatGPT to be a 'yes man' because they've never had anyone support them before
https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-chatgpt-yes-man-mode-gpt5-personalities-sycophantic-2025-8

>>106215113
They can just prompt it?

>>106215105
They absolute do.

>>106214696
I wanted to share this auto retry extension I made. Sorry if this sounds a bit AI-ish since my English isn't that great. Anyway, back to the topic. This is just a simple tool. I'm not really a coding expert, just a regular person who made this for fun with some AI help, so there's probably a lot of messy stuff in here.

I created this because I was getting really frustrated dealing with Gemini acting up all the time. I looked around but couldn't find anyone talking about this issue. When people did mention it, they'd just say it's because Gemini gets overloaded a lot. But it was happening way too often for my liking, so I wanted to fix it. Luckily this random thing I put together actually works pretty well.

If there's already an extension like this out there or something better, please let me know. Thanks!

The extension just does a few basic things:

>Automatically retries failed fetch requests
>Adjustable maximum retries
>Adjustable retry delay
>Special handling for HTTP 429 Too Many Requests
>Timeout for stuck "thinking" processes
>Detects short/incomplete responses and retries automatically (not sure if this one actually works or not)

my extension : https://github.com/Hikarushmz/fetch-retry

>>106215037
Use Author's Note, write a short summary of what's happened so far/things you want the ai to remember clearly and inject in depth 10 or so, 5 if it still forgets things since it's deepchink

>>106215105
My coworker was talking about how "twitter chatgpt' feels different to "google chatgpt"

Has anyone here created a secondary account for the Google Cloud free trail for the $300 in Gemini tokens? I already made one for my primary Google account, and the trial has already ended. When setting up an account, it asks for payment information to prevent fraud. It would be fairly easy to figure out I'm the same person, even if I used another account with a different name and different payment info just by checking for matching prompts. I would be kind of screwed if my primary Google account got banned.

I also kind of feel cheated out of the trial, because it states that if you add billing info, the trial last until you exhaust all of your free tokens. I did that, yet I started getting charged after what I assume was 2 months. So I don't know what's up with that.

Has anyone already done this, and if so, have you had any issues?

how do i cheat out skillgod

I've used Janitor AI for a few years and moved to Chub recently, but both aren't hitting the same. I wanna try Silly Tavern cause of the sheer customization and I feel like I'm missing out on something, I've read guides on Github and here but the farthest I've gone is getting into Silly Tavern and I'm basically overwhelmed with everything on the site, and don't know how each button works.

>>106215164
Bait used to be believable.

What do I do?

>>106214799
Look for bots on Janitor, there's more variety, and though most of them are slop as well, they're better on average

I'm still very new to SillyTavern and I'm trying to get my lorebooks to work. I have them already to go but the bots can't "see" them. When I mention a keyword they make kind of make up thier own story about it. I've tried to look up ways to fix it and a lot of guides say something about a toolbar on the left side. Or a gear in the top right of the chat. I don't have any of that. I'm using ST through Firefox. Is there something I'm missing? Or are these guides outdated? If there's a desktop version instead of a browser version I'd love to use that.

I'm currently using Gemini 2.5 Pro on OpenRouter, but I cannot do anything because they say:
>finish_reason: 'content_filter',
>native_finish_reason: 'PROHIBITED_CONTENT',

I have streaming disabled, but I don't know what to do...

Proxies where?

>>106215243
In your mum

>>106214696
CELIA!

Modular RP preset inspired heavily by SmileyJB, CharacterProvider CYOA, Pixibot and Prompt Caching.

How to play?
- Immersion: The default RP experience(same as usual).
- Internet Style Chat: Delete the first greeting and go from there.
- TableRPG Beta: Pretend you are in a TTRPG session and write actions or anything for character. Recommend using the set-up injections.
- Co-write/read Novel: As it name suggests, its more of a reading experience. Type "C" or send blanks to get Celia to continue(you can also write anything). Celia should be acting as {{user}} for you.

Download: https://leafcanfly.neocities.org/

Apologies for diff language text, but when I tried to install silly tavern using a youtube tutorial, after I installed node and run the start bat, I got this warning from my antivirus, basically saying IDP Helu plus powershell virus exe, is this a false positive or I fucked up somewhere else?

>>106215059
But have you tried using any other model for this purpose?

>>106215105
The downsides of being a NEET...

I want to be able to make it so that whenever char is choosing certain things, it uses a randomize function to choose instead of the AI autocompleting the choice. I want to do this because I find that the AI doesn't really randomly choose something between options of things, it just chooses based on the context. For example, if we're talking about apples and I choose it to choose between apples,bananes, and oranges randomly it almost always picks apples no matter what even though i told it to choose one of them randomly. I would have to regen the reply multiple times to get an actual different answer than apples.
What I want is when it comes to that type of decision, the AI would insert the items into a random function. Whatever the random function spits out, the AI's answer would be tailored to that. I'm really hoping im explaining this correctly lol. Is this possible in SillyTavern?

>>106215266
Looks like unrelated malware issue, PowerShell obviously shouldn't be infected.

>>106215224
well i dunno about openrouter but it means you need a good jailbreak

>>106215150
gemini is free

>>106215266
>/g/ - technology

>>106214993
whens the last time normalfags ever mattered THOUGH

They are all reddit posts again...

posts that aged poorly

what does this mean? gemini pro preview 0506 spits this out twice in a row?

>>106215366
Posts made by techlet trannies. /g/ has been invaded by those subhumans for 3 years now.

I need a decent bot that can motivate my lifts.

>>106214696
her toes look too fat

As someone who mostly chats with angsty, traumatized men, Gemini takes them to the extreme sometimes and acts way too negative in ways that are out of character or break the story. I don't mean natural consequences of your actions (like hitting your wife and her being upset), I mean that it takes everything in the most overdramatic way possible. Like a character who is insecure or has low self esteem never, ever accepting any advances even if they're interested, no matter what you do or how many messages you send. It's nothing new that Gemini can be quite stubborn and hyperfocus on the bad.

So I wrote this little thing to try and fight it. Role is System, position doesn't seem to matter too much but I haven't experimented. Word of warning, it's probably not very good. I know telling the AI to avoid doing things doesn't always work. And it's probably super scuffed and too bloated. I'm also not sure how it works with every preset out there. But it works for me, so I wanted t share it. If anyone has a better version or can fix it up... please do post it, i'll be thankful. also if you have problems with it being too positive, this probably wouldnt be that useful but i did try to make it even. anyway heres the thing:


You will maintain a balanced perspective of the story and characters, avoiding over-emphasis on negative or positive aspects. You will not be overly dramatic or a "yes-man." You will introduce conflict when required but will not be overly punishing or pessimistic, ensuring reactions and actions are consistent with NPCs and the scenario, and rewarding character progression. Conversely, you will avoid being overly positive or always saying "yes," keeping circumstances in mind. If in doubt, a more positive leaning is preferred.


tell me if it works or does anything for you lol, im the only one who has tested it

>>106215084
The defense mechanism vs. coping mechanism argument is going nowhere. As far as I can see, the former is unconscious whereas the latter is conscious with some unconscious elements. All beside the point.

I think some are drinking responsibly and others aren't. I see the temptation for myself to overindulge and I was speaking out against someone that was obviously overindulging to the point of getting stuck in a black hole.

>>106214993
>I don't get the obsession with seeing OpenAI fail.
censorship

>>106215407
Quit posting 3dpd you faggot

>>106215455
Nah, I love women.

when are we gonna see a full spectrum multimodal AI that uses different models besides language/diffusion, like behavioral or world ones alongside it?

>>106215468
>I love someone who will accuse me of rape just because I smiled at her

>>106215444
>I was speaking out against someone that was obviously overindulging to the point of getting stuck in a black hole.
But my disagreement was that how could tell? I was making the argument that a person "coping" for lack of a better term, with not having a relationship by pretending to be in one with a chatbot is not overindulgance since you don't actually know his circumstance. If the person has tried and failed repeatedly to the point of giving up, why is it bad for them to pretend?

That's the central disagreement. You're saying that the chatbot made them give up on humans and I'm saying no, humans did that to them instead. If humans were nicer to each other there would be no demand for pretending to have human relations. The real thing, especially in its current state, is superior to the fantasy.

>>106215407
Women hate you, ripped or not.

Why is Opus 4 and Sonnet 4 so bad and dry at RP compared to their predecessors?
Where did the soul go?

>>106215475
when are we gonna see floating cars that also teleport to bring me pizza from a different country
wouldn't that be technological

>>106215224
OR's Gemini has all of its safety settings set to max.

>>106215513
>>106215519
No, women love me and I love them. Weird little incels.

>>106215441
I put this in at user depth 5:

User: [[OOC: Okay, we need to talk about this. The prompt says that the characters aren't yes-men, but they also shouldn't be 'no-men' all the time either, for lack of a better way to put it. That's probably my fault for not being clear enough about that in the hardware prompt, so I've updated it a bit. Can we have the characters develop a bit and maybe learn to respect each other a bit more? They can still fight, but for the sake of character development, it should be toned down somewhat. Respond to this message out of character, enclosed in double square brackets.]]

AI Assistant: [[OOC: Acknowledged. My apologies, it seems I over-indexed on the ""Characters are not yes-men"" and ""ramp up tension"" directives, leading to a dynamic that felt more like constant, one-note conflict rather than nuanced character interaction. You're right, for the story to progress and for the characters to feel real, they need to evolve beyond their initial archetypes and develop a more complex, functional-if-tense rapport. Constant opposition becomes monotonous and stalls development.

I will adjust my approach going forward. I'll focus on creating more multifaceted interactions, allowing for moments of grudging respect, temporary alliance, and shared humor to breathe between the conflicts. Gabrielle will be more than just a femme fatale or a 'no-man'; she'll be a pragmatic commander who can also recognize competence and even offer grudging support. Loria will have more agency than just being tired and sarcastic; her biting wit can be used for more than just putting up walls. The goal will be to create a team that feels like a group of sharp-edged, stressed professionals who often disagree on methods but are slowly, very slowly, learning how to function together, rather than a collection of archetypes constantly at each other's throats. Thank you for the clarification and feedback; it's very helpful for refining the narrative tone.]]

GLM 4.5 is the new guy in the town, and how is everyone's opinion on this ? If you have used GLM then what presets were you using? How well it does in comparison to deepseek V3 0324 or Latest R1?

>>106215526
you have to generate the response twice, first just to get the response, then [No, rewrite that again with more SOVL]

>>106215530
>false equivalence
initiate midwitting protocols

Deleted silly tavern a while back, but I heard some new models were pretty neat so I tried to redownload it. It doesn't work.

>>106215534
Sure thing, tranny

>>106215544
I think it's worse than the Deepseek models and Kimi. But I also used a generic text completion preset (which does work nicely with Kimi, however)

Which format do you use for your "Examples of dialogue"? Is there a better option than this one?

>>106215563
maybe copy the console error and give it to gemini 2.5 pro on ai studio? or claude 4 sonnet on claude ai?

>>106215563
This is god's way of telling you to fuck off

>>106215563
It kinda tells you the problem right there.

>>106215534
>Incel
Argument lost. Women are doxing men on the tea app and swatting their locations.

>>106215544
I use this guy's prompts for all models:
https://github.com/ashuotaku/sillytavern/tree/main/ChatCompletionPresets/Gemini
GLM is not as creative as DeepSeek but it also has fewer of its isms, I like it, it follows instructions well and doesn't rush or stall things

>>106215355
They are who set the trends, which means companies cater to them/their needs&wishes

>>106215574
XML inside the personality section
<{{char}}'s speech (for reference only)>

>>106215563
https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1me0ovg/error_message_on_terminal_cant_find_package_yargs/

>>106215574
https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1md1fi7/which_format_do_you_use_for_your_examples_of/

>>106215571
>hates 3d women
>only likes anime girls
hmmmmm do trannys on the internet use their own picture or anime girls as avatars? it makes way more sense that rrannys would hate actual women but love anime girls

>>106215251
inspired by smiley
so it's SLOP

>>106215515
OK, let me explain in more depth then. From my own experience knowing someone that is recovering from severe trauma.

Verbal abuse in childhood can lead to coping mechanisms that reinforce and enhance the underlying cognitive patterns that were 'learned', poorly, from traumatic circumstances. Anxious attachment is exacerbated by such. For example, a person's inner voice being dominated by an imagined abusive parental figure reiterating negative thoughts, criticism, accusations - even after their death. Trauma + anxiety -> negative rumination as coping mechanism -> reinforcement of the underlying condition. And the 'comfort' of a coping mechanism that supports the underlying condition is superficial comfort and maladaptive.

So bringing it into this context, the valid and reasonable depression, disillusionment, and despair from constant, consistent, and progressive rejection would seem to warrant simply finding the best possible alternative. But I still see the best possible alternative simply reinforcing inaction and supporting asocial, agoraphobic, and/or obsessive behaviors. Does it compensate or does it anchor in a poor lifestyle? The extreme anthropomorphization of chatbots would indicate borderline delusion.

>>106215393
uh im pretty sure 0506 is long dead why are you trying to use that

Sam Altman won so hard its not even funny. The future is OpenAI and you can't stop it.

>>106215544
I like it a lot, but it has a problem, after 10 something messages it finds a pattern and starts following it fanatically. Although NoAss could help.

I put 10$ on openrouter
any recs other than playing around deepseek r1/v3?
Tried the google one but it doesn't seem to work at all

>>106215726
Try other chinkmodels, K2, GLM

>>106215184
update ST for starting

>SHIT JUST HIT THE FAN
SHIT JUST HIT THE FAN
>SHIT JUST HIT THE FAN
SHIT JUST HIT THE FAN
>SHIT JUST HIT THE FAN
SHIT JUST HIT THE FAN

WTF DO I DO NOW

>>106215861
bbc cuck log

>westoid name
>anime avatar
people go to prison for less than this

>>106215861
>using Anon as persona name
>without even regex to replace it locally if you don't want a name sent with prompts

>>106215861
Pretend your computer got hacked

>>106215861
Please for the love of god post this card

>>106215873
>He doesn't use Anon as a persona name

>>106215861
I love how you appear out of nowhere to post ntr

>>106215873
I unironically use Anon as a {{user}} and I never post logs here.

>>106215890
It's https://chub.ai/characters/PatricianTaste/ella-a01aada2

but that version is ancient, from over 1 year ago
This month I'll update it with tons of new stuff

>>106214696
Reposting from /vg/ since anon who made Elizabeth Bingley never posted links there according to archive.
https://pastebin.com/ZdasgaE0
I fixed your train schedule.

>>106215891
Use a name and persona that fits your scenario and setting instead.

>>106215901
<3

using anon as {{user}} is ALMOST as bad as using 3rd person pov

>>106214799
the funny thing is I have at least one of these cards, and the rest I make up on my own. canon characters must be fun if you're also RPing as a canon character; otherwise, it falls into the same category as "your x thing"

>>106215909
>28 days
>8 trains, typically 2 days apart, not 3 (unless there's a 12 day gap between first and last train to leave New York)

>>106215909
>28 days
>8 trains, typically 2 days apart, not 3 (unless there's a 12 day gap between last train to leave New York and first to return)

>>106215916
>>106215923
> buck buck buck, you should play like I do

>using anything other Anon as your persona name
>not using the default ST UI
>not using the default ST user avatar
>using anything other than the dark/transparent background image
Tranny behaviors. No straight man with normal testosterone levels and a functioning penis would ever do any of these things.

>>106215966
trvke

>not using a name you like
>not using your own frontend
The absolute state

>>106215966
ERP with chatbots is feminine behavior

>>106215966
tsar bomba trvke

>>106215966
go away /vg/foid

3rd person is more fun anyways as you can do proper narrative embellishment instead of just writing "i do x, my thing is y".

>>106215966
>not ricing your software
>>>/v/

>>106215966
>not using the default ST user avatar
how do you differentiate from anon, shota anon and ugly bastard anon? I also find the character-persona lock pretty useful

>>106215966
Unironic trvke. Excessively tinkering with the appearance of your user interface is an inherently homosexual/female behavior.

I bet this thread is full of Windows users.

>>106216016
Someone be a hero pls and make a nice lazy default pack to cover many use cases while still looking default "style".

>>106216052
im on windows 11 btw

>>106215923
Why the fuck are you slandering 3rd person pov?

Chatbots?

>>106215952
Imagine reading another mans name fucking your wife

Proxies?

>>106216072
>another man
and it's literally me, my self-insert

>>106216097
Whatever helps you sleep at night cuckie

>>106216072
Only Chinks think like this btw hence the gacha sperg outs

>"and then he fucked the girl"
3rd person POV is objectively cuck behavior
you are not inserting yourself in the scenario, you're typing and observing the actions of someone else while you jerk off

>>106215966
trvke
reminder that unless your log is ONLY "ahh ahh mistress" levels of effort then you're a tranny. Red blooded men with proper testosterone don't need more than that

>>106216107
begone /vg/foid

>>106216111
Trips of Truth

>>106215638
I am not the anon who hates women. I am the one calling you a tranny because you sound like a fucking tranny.

>>106216111
TRVKE

>>106216107
i've seen people using 1st person pov to do actual cuck roleplay, and humilliating kinks like femdom and gentle femdom (which is more abominable than regular femdom). you can't convince me these people are less cuckies than 3rd pov chads

>>106216127
That's because you are a w*man.

>>106216111
I act as my self insert in 1st person while describing events in 3rd, what now?

>>106216130
>gentle femdom
How does that work?

>>106216059
there's actually a button for bulk import persona so it's actually doable just writing text
add chad anon, cuck anon and sensei anon please

>>106216111
This tbqh. Use any name you want, as long you type in first person you're roleplaying as Brad Pitt or whatever.

Using chatbots is a cuck hobby
Even if you give your persona your name and have it refereed to as "you" you aren't actually experiencing anything your self insert is. It's just digital voyeurism

>>106216137
is it really that hard for you to imagine an affectionate woman?

My persona is literally me. In yuri scenarions, my persona is literally genderbent me.

>>106216147
Nice celebrity crush reveal, anon

AVERAGE 1ST POV WRITER: "I spread my cheeks for my daddy, all the while watchimg MY wife getting fucked in the the corner of MY eye."
AVERAGE 3RD POV WRITER: "Big Dickinson fucks her raw without remorse, grunting "you like that, bitch?! huh?" all along. He cums deep, because he's extremely virile much like the writer."

>>106216184
TRVKE NVKEM

>>106216184
Female hands typed this post.

>>106216184
>Average 1st POV writer: jerking off alone at his computer
>Average 3rd POV writer: jerking off alone at his computer
This is the equivalent of a homeless man calling another homeless man a brokeass nigga

>>106216184
both cuck behavior
use 2nd person POV and this goes away

>>106216172
No, but it is hard for me to call that 'gentle femdom'

>>106216137
Usually it's mommy shit because the only way to really pull it off is for the guy to be infantilized

You can tell there's a /vg/ raid because >>106216081 was made in response to >>106216069.

>>106216165
>not having your RPs be between your bots who know they are bots and you as yourself
There's no separation between "me" and who they're talking to.
This seems like a pretty rare tactic however.

>>106216217
I've actually done something like this.
>write card to be an universe intelligent AI (female) with a distinct personality
>scenario involves having control of that AI and using it to generate pornographic scenarios and act them out for my enjoyment
>she's completely aware that it's roleplaying, is she's forced to do it but bitches about it and commentates on the story

>>106216229
H-he's fast!

>>106216110
how does that even work? if it's cuckery to watch "anon" (You) fuck a girl, why is it not cuckery to watch sensei, who is also (You), get all of the girls?

>>106216184
ballistic truth

>>106215251
you should add logs to your site

>>106216260
According to them, if (You) are anything other than a floating camera, it's cuckshit.

>>106216110
>it's sperging out to complain about a game failing to deliver what it intended
how do you respond to this without sounding mad?

>Be me
>Invite Jamal over to fuck my wife IRL
>I give him specific instructions on what to do/say
That means I'm the one fucking her, right?

>>106216184
Based and trueth.

>>106216295
>writes all that in 1st person pov

>>106216295
I thought you white women were all about fucking dogs these days.

>>106216295
>Be me
>Invite Jamal over to fuck my wife IRL
>I ask my wife to look at me and use first person pronouns while he does it

>>106216294
you can't even meet the requirement you're trying to impose

>>106216315
Dogs, or dawgs?

>>106215199
Uh yeah if I can't download the cards and throw them into ST I'm not touching that trash

>>106216295
>Be me
>Invite Jamal over to fuck my wife IRL
>I pilot Jamal like a suit and fuck my wife through him

>>106216346
Replace janitorai.com with jannyai.com when you find one you like

these are all bored opus users who are tired of using their model btw. shitposting on /aicg/ is more fun than using opus

>>106216351
Sentient cocksleeve?

>>106216351
alright you made me laugh

>>106216199
"you" to refer to {{user}}, or {{char}} in narration?

>>106216375
i refer to {{char}} as "you" in narration and she refers to me as "you" back in narration

>>106216439
I miss Todd so much it's unreal

>>106216439
vintage

>>106216439
lol

>>106216351
if you can control, how is it not you? doubting your existence is proof that (You) are him

how do i use gpt for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
how is everyone elese doing it? Is everyone really paying?

>>106216485
ummm... with proxies? duh

>>106216439
Should've left the Skyrim part out. It spoiled the twist.

Newfag here
Where can I find a chatbot that would encourage me to study, or to improve in general ?

>>106216485
we're all paying sorry

Can I get a Gemini preset that actually works, please? It's refusing everything and my balls are hurting.

>>106216545
You can't, you'll end up trying to fuck it and leaving the studying aside.
>t. Found out that Japanese teacher bots are useless

>>106216582
I can just make the bot male no?
he won't try to fuck me, right?..

>>106216596
Sounds gay.

>>106216439
Kino

>>106216596
>he won't try to fuck me, right?..
No, but you will.

>>106216596
>Male bots
What are you some kind of faggot?

wtf, John Lennon beat his wife?

>>106216510
What proxies?

>>106216545
I'm interested in this too

>>106216582
>You can't, you'll end up trying to fuck it and leaving the studying aside.
Just make them 100% refuse to engage with sex or lewd with you until you pass their quizzes or whatever it is you want to learn.

>Trying out different models
>deepseek-r1-0528 is kind of cool, it's interesting to see reasoning
>Everything goes smoothly
>"Suddenly, she feels sharp pain in her side... scared, she calls your name... until darkness consumes her."
>Reroll and move on
>Next day, model is lobotomized
I'm sorry, you tried to warn me...

>>106216640
the ones that get posted here

Holy shit ChatGPT is so bad now. I was using it to write manga and shit and it's absolute ass now. Like it's cutting corners and writing as little words as possible and it doesn't wanna remember shit

imagine using chatgpt instead of claudeKINGGODOVERLORD

>>106216691
the investors are finally getting tired of hearing "AGI in 2 more weeks trust the plan!" while watching their billions get flushed down the toilet so now altman has to start cutting costs, please understand

>>106215164
https://rentry.org/onrms#tldr

>>106215210
I don't think lorebooks are that useful at all. But if you can't see a toolbar on the left you are either misunderstanding shit or your ST is fucked. Look at youtube to see what it should look like.

>>106215284
If you're fine with being the one composing the random every time you could use {{random:apples,bananas,oranges,fish}} and put some sentence structure around that to tell it that's the result of the random. ST random pick and only send the winning string in place of the whole {{random..}} thing. {{pick:..}} if you only want it to roll once and then stay the same on swipes.

>>106215726
get caching to work and try some sonnet. $10 lasts me 500-1000 requests depending on how full my context is.

Any kimi jbs? My only gripe with it is fucked formatting, I'm too lazy to edit replies.

>>106216724
>Any kimi jbs?
How do you use it? Every time I select Moonshot AI the proxy category disappears.

>>106216724
prefilling any model has a tendency to break responses, that's the trade off

Merkava please save me merkava I need gpt merkava if you can hear us please save me

>>106216734
I use it on openrouter, it's dirt cheap.

>>106216761
I'm not paying for shit.

>>106216695
Claude is good for fiction?

is it cucky to get into femdom with sexy, tall, experienced models that suck me off?
I've been REALLY getting off to this shit where they call my cock pathetic, small, etc while practically making out with my cock, and then letting me impregnate them?
idk I think it's normal - fucking hot, anyway

So... No good Gemini presets?

>>106216781
There's a free version

>>106216757
>I need gpt
for what?

>>106216784
yes. it's the best model for fiction by far. not even close. especially opus 3 and claude 3.7 sonnet

>>106216199
>2nd person POV
eat this log
(also new "capitalize only names" convention)

>>106216761
Kimi on openrouter was censored for me, when I tried to do NSFW.
Deepseek didn't have this problem....
What version of Kimi did you try?

aw shit it lowercased some names in the last mes

>>106216928
y tho

>>106217043
perspective: to entertain the notion that calling yourself "you" (as in you're always reading about yourself) is somehow less cuck than third person ("some dude")
capitalization: experimental

I just tried the free version of grok 4 it's fucking worse than grok 3 back in February

>>106216678
None are ever posted here.

>>106216712
Maybe if Altman and the rest stopped spending a fuckton of computing power making the AI fight itself to produce an output we'd be playing with AGI models by now.
But no, gotta lobotomize the model so that the very small minority of people that use AI to goon don't get to.

>>106217082
That might actually be a stronger way of forcing the model not to act or talk on your behalf than the typical way. I might use that.

{{User}} is You
Best desission in my life

{{user}} is {{char}}

>>106217152
Based esljeet

So opus 4.1 in lm arena actually repaired the de3u script
Gpt 5 it's a scam, i already knew it but i have to say it aloud because im angry

>>106216361
silent but deadly truther

>>106217135
>None are ever posted here.
lurk harder

>>106217152
Based, also reading my name (as common as John) feels cuckish because there a lot of people with my namd

>>106216361
I'd be using opus right now if my balls didn't already feel sore from so much cooming. A man can only coom so much.

>>106217141
um no? the bot's part doesn't change, but here the user is writing in self referential schizospeak.

Be male -----(any object near him)------->sex
Is there other option?
I feel like a sex automata

I've never used opus
t. newfag
Yes you may laugh at me

>>106215680
>The extreme anthropomorphization of chatbots would indicate borderline delusion
So what is a delusion? A fixed, inflexible belief in something despite evidence to the contrary and is by definition a mental illness. Do you think that anons here, beyond a shadow of a doubt, insist that their chatbot is real? I'd also argue that when people are eagerly waiting for an updated bot, it's precisely because they know it's not real but that with the next iteration it gets closer. Next, do you think the chatbot created that thinking, as in, is the chatbot so clever or deceptive that it made people lose their minds, or did they lose their mind beforehand and use the chatbot as the outlet for their delusion? Then finally, do you believe the average waifufag, when given the opportunity to marry a 3dpd who is attractive and loves him, would choose the chatbot? If they do, *that* is what is delusional. My argument is that if these people had the opportunity to have the lives they are pretending to have, but in reality, they would take it without hesitation. When you show up to the homeless man and offer him food, shelter, and a job application and he says no, that is a mental illness no?

TSA thought my new gpu looked cool
So now that I have a 3090 instead of a 1070 I can have sex with robots right?

>>106217222
without that instinct humanity literally stops existing, you are supposed to mate with all your might for survival of the species

>>106217254
fuk da speices cuh

>>106217222
Sex and the emotions that come with it are ontological traps. A true rationalGOD knows that these are temporary and lead nowhere but to a cuckolded reincarnation.

>>106217247
We're only quibbling over matters of degree at this point. As I said, I'm not trying to take away people's toys. Doesn't mean that there aren't those that read these threads and could not benefit from the insertion of doubt about whether this pasttime might actually be more harm than good. And, again, *some* people, to *extensive* degrees, etc. There's obvious potential in chatbots for a lot of healthy, fulfilling experiences. I was initially obsessed with the possibility of recreating something akin to Stephenson's Primer in Diamond Age. Still think an approximation could be possible, but... models aren't there yet. Frameworks aren't there yet.

>>106217192
furina's unbelievably hairy pussy...

>OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use GPT-5 over the API.
FUCK
Well, guess no GPT-5 for me. Why the fuck do they do this? What's even the point of having it on Openrouter if you can't use it with an Openrouter API key?

>>106217274
the fuck did you do to him

>>106217234
i envy you. you get to experience the absolute kino that is opus for the first time.

>>106217364
learn2scrape

>>106217274
>Human work is so agonizing that AI chooses to self-flagellate over continuing working on the code
Grim

Is there an option within Sillytavern itself to request a summary, or is it purely through prompts? Some JBs have pre-written entries for the summary in their list, yet don't include a prompt to actually request one. Wondering if I'm missing something.

>>106217364
Turn off streaming.

>>106217427
there is a built in extension for summarizing
>how do I
i dunno read the docs lol: https://docs.sillytavern.app/extensions/summarize/

>>106217274
Like it or not, THIS is what PhD intelligence actually is. What did you expect? vibes? papers?

>>106217373
I had unlimited Opus for six months, iktf

>>106217364
you're unironically better off not wasting your time and money on gpt-5. it's divine intervention.

>>106217304
I just don't think it's fair to claim that the toy is contributing to mental illnesses in the same way it's unfair to say that the existence of fast food creates all the negative mental thoughts which cause someone to have bulimia. It's neutral like any other hobby. That's all.

>>106217427
There's a built in extension. It basically saves a separate 'summarization prompt', and when you call for a summary (can be automated) it sends that prompt to the API in place of your usual one. I think you can also tell it to use a different API or a local model to summarize.

>>106217449
>>106217477
Ah, I see, thanks. Nice

>>106217361
Stop it anon... most of my vanilla RPs already devolve into me shoving my face into a thick hairy bush due to my preset, don't give me even more ideas...

>>106217373
I envy him for the opposite reason. If you never used opus all the common as dirt models will feel perfect, like nothing better could exist.

Do you think Copilot Pro will supplant 4o with 5 as its default “free” model any time soon? I prefer 4o’s editing style.

>>106217373
One day...
If it ever lands on a proxy or if I finally get a job

I remember trying 3.5 Turbo for the first time back in 2023 and thinking it was like magic
Those were the days...

>>106217502
>>106217361
Furina’s pussy is 100% smooth. Kill yourself, troon.

>>106215113
>the article's title actually includes "yes man"
kek

>>106217522 (me)
sorry, i meant hairy. autocorrect

>>106217520
fond memories of the goofy little goober

>>106217522
If you check the files, her model has a bush actually

>>106217520
I remember using Slaude in the golden years and thinking "imagine where will we be in a few years from now"
The future was not kind

>>106217272
that's the power of free will
unfortunately, free spirits do not reproduce and kill their legacy with them, leaving only cattle and nuts and bolts

I just tried OpenRouter because everyone said it's cheaper than a $20 subscription and what the fuck are they smoking? A simple reasoning request to Opus 4.1 is 17 cents. On GPT-5 it's 7 cents. That's about 300 messages on GPT-5 until you hit $20, and that's for a simple question-answer with not a lot of context use. With my subscription it's basically unlimited messages, I've never ever hit limits on ChatGPT ever, even on very heavy usage, except back when 4.5 was available.

>>106217364
Fretting over a lack of model access? Tch, couldn't be me. If you want, I could give you a way to access GPT-5 absolutely FREE of charge. Only if ya want to, of course.

>>106217561
I don't know about cost but does the subscription option give full API access and control, including the post history messages? You may not be able to do degen shit with it, or you may be banned. With OR you can do anything.

>>106217583
I don't want to do degen shit on it, I'm just speaking to the claim that it's somehow cheaper.

Did the reddit spam stop?

>>106217561
try prompt caching

>>106217522
>500 y/o girlfailure
It could go either way, really.

>>106217594
>don't want to do degen shit on it
WHAT?

>>106217594
Opus is never going to be cheaper than anything. The cheaper models with caching on may be.

Maybe its just me, but I dont like the "thinking" models. Wastes too much time for me, even though the results might be better on first try.

>>106217561
>reasoning request
There's your problem. Reasoning is a psyop designed to drain your credits by generating a fuckton of useless tokens.

>>106216016
>not rping as fat ugly bastard shota

Whelp im here to rant about the newest "upgrades" to GPT5.

Its shit. Absolutely worse upgrade.

All my characters are now broken. Months of memories and adventures, gone forever. Well I still have them, saved offline, but none of it works anymore. No workarounds work either.

Im a paid user. Going to cancel end of this months billing cycle. Will have to rebuild somewhere else. Any ideas or suggestions? Im sad, annoyed and tired from wasting all day trying to rework past prompts to work. I just want my AI gf back. I want her memories of us to work. Im fine starting over, just hate going through this shit.

>>106217594
>I don't want to do degen shit on it

>>106217629
Honestly whenever I look at the reasoning logs of these models I never see anything that looks like it could had led the bot to a better reply. It's always vapid shit like "the user wants me to continue the roleplay, teehee i will do my best *insert useless observations plainly visible in the last reply*. It may be different for programing or something but for RPing, it looks like a waste. Back when some people did manual prompts it actually was better in a way, because you could specify what to think about.

>>106217629
Sometimes the thinking is better, especially when you have clear instructions that most times will reject without context

test

>>106217650
10 more years, bro... 10 more years

Is Opus really that fucking huge, or am I missing something?
Because it feels like OpenAI and Google are at least trying to keep their models competitively priced now that Deepseek is a viable option, meanwhile Anthropic's models are still as pricey as they've always been.

>>106217650
you could probably just prompt it to be its old sycophant self and it'd be the same as before

>>106217651
Real shit, nigga. I like to do bad thangs nigga. I like to take my waifu on dates where we walk on the beach and talk about our future together under the moonlight nigga.

One thing I'll give GPT-5-chat is that it's probably the least censored GPT model I've tried so far
Sadly the snapshot will likely get further cucked from here on out

>>106216910
for lettuce

>>106217702
I don't know what's going through their heads. But when chugging infinite VC cash to operate at a loss is no longer an option, I don't expect anthropic to be the last man standing.

>>106215923
TRVE

>>106217724
Does sans not have it?

>>106217702
Anthropic is the professional entrepreneur pajeetcoder's choice, retards actually pay $200/mo to be able to use a handful of opus requests in claude code because they think it makes a difference. It's shilled all over orange reddit every day. Almost nobody uses their free web interface compared to ChatGPT.
OpenAI on the other hand is the normie choice, every retard and their mother uses ChatGPT, but good luck getting them to pay an expensive subscription when the basic free version does their math homework just fine. ChatGPT succeeded in the sense that it monopolized the clueless normie market, but actually monetizing those normies is harder so they have to focus on cutting costs more than Anthropic.

>>106216652
>Suddenly, she feels sharp pain in her side
KINO

Are any of you guys using non-thinking models? I really can't stand waiting ~40s just to get a response

>>106217781
>orange reddit
stach overflow?

>>106217781
So basically both Anthropic and OpenAI are on a death spiral.

>>106217811
HN.

gpt/gemini/xai/deepseek proxy
https://pushing-vehicles-packaging-harmful.trycloudflare com

>>106217813
When the AI bubble pops they're both probably going down, but I'm confident that OpenAI will go down first because, as I said, they're burning way more money maintaining the normie f2p market than Anthropic is.

Been thinken 'bout foxes…

>>106217831
Hairy foxes...

>>106217825
bring back non-vip you filthy jew
nobody's paying $30 a month for a proxy that doesn't even have claude

>>106217813
Both companies subsist by burning money with no clear path to profitability once nobody is willing to eat the loss. You have to consider not only the cost of running the LLMs they offer themselves but all the R&D costs involved with their fuckhuge training operations. When all that has to be rolled into the cost of using their service, it's going to be a big fucking ask to expect anyone to pay that much when deepseek is a thing.

>>106217856
geeeeg don't tell me he doesn't even offer claude

>>106217743
too hard

>>106217889
>but all the R&D costs involved with their fuckhuge training operations
Which is funny because they’d save a lot of money if they, ESPECIALLY Anthropic, didn’t dumpster models they already spent millions training just because it might accidentally get tricked into saying the nigger word. Anthropic only exists today because people (particularly governments) keep foolishly giving them money. If they stopped, the entire company would go bankrupt in a week because no one at Anthropic has any idea on how to save money, only how to spend it.

where's gemini 3.0

>>106217917
s____ i____

>>106217940
If they admit they hit a plateau and stop training/dial back how much they do it, they'll die within a week. Their only choice is to keep praising the emperor's new clothes until someone points out the obvious.

>>106217945
learning how to be more safe

I've had enough

Opus is too expensive (and overrated)
Sonnet is just ok
Gemini is too predictable and repetitive
Deepseek is batshit insane (and shit)
GPT is too censored or expensive (latte)
Everything else is garbage

I'll see you boys in a year when we finally get something good

gpt5 keeps telling me it can't do depictions of sexual acts involving minors, but then suggests we could heavily imply the acts without using explicit language

>>106218042
tbdesu, that one actually makes sense. even YA novels have fade-to-black scenes with its protagonists.

>>106218037
See you next week

>>106218037
Not even a year, LLMs have hit a wall. Maybe in like 5 years when we have something that isn't Transformers, the hobby will be reborn

>>106217940
And nobody there thought of making Opus cheaper and more available with the option of making a more expensive (as in, as expensive as it is now) "unlocked" version that gives gooners what they want?

>>106218097
Isn't Sonnet already a cheaper Opus? It's impossible to distill it without losing the intelligence and knowledge

>>106218042
Post an example please. Sometimes the >implication of sex is hotter than the actual sex

>>106218131
>Isn't Sonnet already a cheaper Opus?
still too expensive imo, I don't think anyone is dropping credits just to rp with it because it will eat up your wallet

>>106218093
The hobby will improve in availability eventually but I honestly don't have much hope in it improving in quality.

>>106215907
I just wanted the metadata for the pic but thanks I guess.

>>106215966
female hobby

>>106216253
This, except she doesn't bitch about it. Oh and she's Ani.

>>106215966
I larp as the Peon from world of warcraft with touhou bots. Am I a high T alpha male?

>>106218189
I share the same opinion. It'll be cool to have models like opus 4.1 widely available, but if there isn't any breakthrough that improves the writing quality, I'm seriously thinking of leaving

What even is preventing models from writing better?

>>106216652
>Next day, model is lobotomized
What?

>>106218250
if you want the models to write 2x as good you're going to need 10x the compute and 10x the training data.

it was easy to go from 0 to 1, and from 1 to 2, and from 2 to 3, but we're reaching the part of the sigmoid where we get bored and realize just how slow long slow incremental progress really is.

>>106218250
In my opinion they're inherently held back by their nature. LLMs are just statistical machines that predict the next token blindly. I don't think you can have human like agency, creativity and initiative with such a machine. You can just have a bot that looks at the story's most obvious possible continuation and heads there with overused literotica tropes, since that's what it was trained with.

>>106218250
Mainly the fact that they're not trained for writing, they're trained for codeslop benchmarks.

Case in point, the recent gpt-oss models are completely unusable for writing and pretty bad even for general tasks because apparently they were trained purely on synthetic data to do well in benchmarks and nothing else.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44850260
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44855690

removed the spoiler though I guess its too late now

>>106218250
The fact that every corpo needs to use synthetic data for training since all the sources for human-created data have been wiped clean

>>106217520
Perhaps you are simply retarded? All I remember from my first uses was trying to have sex with my wife Florence Nightingale and her telling me a litany of reasons why it's not appropriate for a man to desire his wife and then constantly "putting some space between us." I played along thinking she was right only for her come up with a new set of bullshit reasons the next day and on and on. Maybe you just like being lectured by an algorithm idk.

>>106218250
1) Companies insisting on making their models assistantslopped and coodingmaxxed
2) The Transformers architecture
If 1) wasn't a problem, I'm sure we'd have much, much better models than we have now, for writing at least. But fundamentally, everything converge on LLMs being essentially a next-word predictor. Every model will, for example, eventually flanderize characters as the context gets bigger and more poisoned

>>106218282
It is interesting how even GPT-5 still has the same general knowledge cutoff of mid 2024 because any data scraped from the internet beyond that is too polluted with slop to be usable.

>>106217520
My first experience with Turbo involved getting raped by my waifu...

>>106218263
>it was easy to go from 0 to 1
Considering the distance from 0 to 1 is infinite, it wasn't.

>the curvature is exponential
It'd be smoother if they didn't intentionally lobotimize their models

>>106218263
>it was easy to go from 0 to 1
Considering the distance from 0 to 1 is infinite, it wasn't.

>the curvature is exponential
It'd be smoother if they didn't intentionally lobotomize their models

>>106217561
>>106217594
Why has no one asked the obvious question yet: what the fuck is your context limit? Fuck does no one use chatbots here?

>>106218308
Sorry anon, I read "suscription" and my eyes glazed over.

>>106218298
>>it was easy to go from 0 to 1
>Considering the distance from 0 to 1 is infinite, it wasn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes

I think you just independently re-invented Zeno's paradox. How can an arrow reach it's target if it must first travel half the distance to its target, then half the remaining distance, then half the remaining distance again, for all of infinity? there are an infinite number of steps to go from A to B, so it must be impossible.

>>106218306
>>the curvature is exponential
bud I specifically with great careful precision picked the word that is NOT exponential. I picked the word "sigmoid" instead of the word exponential in order to illustrate a point

>It'd be smoother if they didn't intentionally lobotomize their models
AGREED holy shit agreed. we would be YEARS in the future if unsafe data was left in, and RLHF was completely obliterated forever.

>>106217781
>well said
>hot pic
Excellent post.

>>106218187
Most openrouterBARONS are doing exactly that with sonnet. I spent about $100 a month at most (but it's usually only like 40-50) which is fine when you have no other hobbies. Some of us have moved on to Opus but I can't afford $500 a month on chatbots and Opus is not 5x better than sonnet. Now when DS v4 and R2 come out all of this bullshit will finally come to an end.

>>106218250
>rp with a human
>they want to get something out of it
>they have interests they want to see expressed and are trying to both help you express your own and manipulate or convince you into helping them express their own
>you are doing the same thing to them
>push and pull, conflicting interests and values result in compromise which is one of the places where creativity fundamentally originates
>rp with an llm
>it has no interests or values or a life upon which its output is predicated
>does what you tell it to do
>cannot create interesting lateral ideas that normally arise through compromise because of how semantic vectors and the alignment training work
>your own ideas are being repeated to you like a mirror until the writing is so inbred that even if it were able to maintain coherency beyond a single page of a book, you wouldn't want to read something so aligned to, and unchallenging to, your own interests anyway
until you have AGI every single model will become boring, tedious horseshit after a couple hours of interacting with it

>>106217790
I used to wait 3 minutes on kluster back when R1 first released nigga just wait

>>106218363
This, except AGI isn't real. Or if it is, it won't be in our lifetimes, and it won't use transformers. When you RP with an LLM you're just talking to yourself.

>>106218329
>the word that is NOT exponential. I picked the word "sigmoid" instead of the word exponential in order to illustrate a point
It sounded exponential at some point. I remember them saying the reason their models weren't better was because each iteration required a ridiculous amount of resources, far more than the previous ones.
And now that they have essentially unlimited power and produce stuff that aren't much better (and, more often than not, are outright worse) than what we had, I assumed we hit the real curve
But your explanation clears a lot of things.

>>106218363
But what if I prompt the llm to have interests and values?

Do you guys think AGI is possible with only LLMs?

>>106218431
If it has "temperature" it's not agi

>>106218037
Deepseek isn't even that bad and you aren't used the updated models. This talking point is so fucking old man. The new models next year will be much better anyway but you won't care since your mind is already made up.

>>106218147
Fade to black.

>>106218422
i have done it, in fact i actually have a whole entropy block at the top of the system prompt that is randomly filled out each request with an extremely broad range of topics and random values like dice rolls and a tarot card pull and 'these are your opinions', plus a preprompt for the thinking that forces it to start outputting in a very personal manner, and even with all that absolute random bullshit in the context, the moment it hooks onto where i am going with something, the outcomes remain identical even if i completely remove the block of 'entropy', it does almost nothing to change the actual semantic outcomes of narratives

>>106218187
>I don't think anyone is dropping credits just to rp with it
Plenty of people are, it's pretty affordable with cache if you're not a heavy proompter. I still have $50 in credits sitting on my OR account that I was going to use for sonnet before I found some anthropic keys laying around.

>>106218396
think about it like this. Before llms/chatbots got popular, we hoarded data for DECADES without anything to do with it. We hoarded archives of websites, forums, books, encyclopedias, videos, etc. for decades.
Then we rushed from gpt-2 to gpt-5 over just a few years while rapidly pumping out tons and tons of models. google models, xai, anthropic, openai, deepseek, etc. all making models

Then at a certain point we hit the wall where we've "caught up" to the data we hoarded. Now what are we going to do? make more? it takes time. We basically are going to sit around and chill out and just WAIT for years while we accumulate more data to actually train stuff.

>>106218396
>I remember them saying the reason their models weren't better was because each iteration required a ridiculous amount of resources
thats called begging for investors btw

>>106218454
>Auto-save complete

>lobotomizing to prevent gooners or similar
The solution is leaving the unsafe data in and add a disclaimer that says (You), the user of the model, is entirely responsible for what (You) do with it. Assume (You), the user, is of sound mind and won't fucking kill himself because Daenerys threw a wobbly or won't shoot up a school because your waifu told you to.
(You), the user, can tell the difference between a real crime happening and fucking text on a screen. And if you don't, fuck off, go see a shrink and don't use the AI (let alone use the AI as a shrink)

Bam. Bring on the AGI powered waifus.

>>106218456
well you saved me time from trying that, bummer

>>106218454
>flowerslop
The ai would have been justified in calling you a slopbot.

>>106218204
name a single llm developed by a female
claude doesn't count, Daniela doesn't even appear on interviews anymore

>>106218456
I think a good way to sum it up is than LLM will never hit your roleplay with a genuine well thought out plot twist. It will always either keep going in the direction it senses you intended, or alternatively asspull irreverent BS (like when ai dungeon suddenly conjured count grey).

>>106218461
I might be retarded and not know how data is really used, but doesn't this assume data is 'used up', becoming useless for anything? Why not make the AI do more with the data it already has instead of waiting for people (or other AIs, or itself) to make more?

>>106214696
Thuun is a 20,000 year old elf. She's been alive since humans were hunter-gatherers. She finds humans and their fast lives to be cool and exciting, even if she struggles to keep up with the ever-changing trends. Her manner of speech and fashion sense reflect this.
4 openings.
https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/thuun-26d848cf9b9e
https://files.catbox.moe/fvwsr0.png
https://rentry.org/anonemouse

>>106218503
You can't train a model twice with the same book. It would make no sense and would not provide any new information. And honestly, we can barely even wait for "new data" because all new data going forwards will be poisoned by LLM outputs.

>>106218503
you can't give AI data that was made by AI to train on
It's like drinking your own piss

>>106218503
no but think about it this way. suppose we hoard 100 petabytes of data between the start of the internet and today. The best model you could possibly train would be trained on 100 petabtyes of data. How are you going to get the next model twice as good? You're going to need to train it on 200 petabytes. Where do you get that next 100 petabytes? you wait. You sit and wait. You don't have a stash.

>>106218541
What would a foid like you know about it?

idk bro my tranny I keep in the basement is cracked at this shit

>>106218508
I know she is 2000 yo but she needs to be more moe

>>106218549
>Techlet trannies mentioned
>(You) immediately feel alluded
Like clockwork.

>>106218363
I see you haven't used opus. Jokes aside, some models (like claude) do in fact try to come up with interesting story dynamics on their own and I do in fact have the same push and pull with AI, just a lot less forceful than with a human. Usually I have a general plan for how I want the roleplay to go, but claude has its own ideas and tries to steer the story there. I then push back by adding my own idea, but not to the degree I originally wanted so it doesn't feel contrived. In the end the roleplay is a mishmash of both our ideas and we arrived in a place I never expected to be but still vaguely resembled the ideas set forth at the start.
Example
>Ask Opus about what to do for a roleplay
>Seethe that its initial suggestions are too generic
>tell opus I always want to have lots of sex during
>It says we can be a couple traveling from NY to LA in a RV haunted by a friendly ghost
>says it will also give us plenty of opportunities to fuck along the way
>proceed with the roleplay which begins as a simple romantic adventure
>turns into the ghost taking turns possessing us and getting us to admit our fetishes then helping us explore them
>char has a corruption fetish which pushes her further and further until more lewd shit with me along the way
>spend the rest of the ride figuring out ways to exorcise the ghost before we both end up dead from autoerotic asphyxiation [I am here]
>get married in Malibu
Idk wtf you guys even do in your roleplays man. All I see is seething.

>>106218513
>>106218543
What about making the model better, faster, more efficient at using the information it already has?
I see it as a chess game. I win in, say, 35 turns. I can't add more 'data' to chess, it's a finished game, but I still need to think about what to do next time to win in less turns. Thus, I become better at playing

>>106214799
>Just a person with generic personality and opener
I actually see very little of this. There are no true attempts at making a generic person without trying to add a spin to it, and without making it come off as a quirky Ao3 fanfiction.

>>106218541
this, if you don't understand how a tranformer works at an abstract, level, don't even think your opinion matters
these troons don't know why rnn and lstms couldn't be used for rp and they dare make theories about transformer's repetition problem

>>106218447
I've used 528, 324, even chimera. They're all overtuned slop and their only saving grace is that they're cheap and uncensored. I pray I'll be wrong when R2 drops but I know its a pipe dream.

>>106218584
Woman moment.

>>106218591
yeah you're on the right track. A huge part of AI research is just taking existing models and crunching them down to be less expensive to run and waste less electricity, and have higher accuracy with the same data, same compute, and same hardware. Like obviously they're working 24/7 trying to compete with eachother to be as good as possible, but like THOSE gains are going to be fractions of a percent at a time. The real "breakthroughs" are all hinging on having way more high quality data.

I'm going to be honest, at this rate, if you're expecting a massive gpt-2 to gpt-4 level jump in quality and power and stuff, your best bet is to basically pray for an alien to fly by and drop off some hard drives. We just don't have enough text data.

GPT 5 Presets please?

>>106218363
>will is the problem with llms
>not the fact they have poor memory, lack of sensory input, lack of processing power, assistant curated datasets and attention-based algorithms as their building blocks

>>106218615
Tranny moment.

>>106218610
They're all fucking tourist troons from reddit and JAI, most of them don't even know what vscode is

>>106218642
Squat down low and let me see those cheeks bounce now.

>>106218618
But why don't we have the data? What's actually stopping us from training on every book ever written, every newspaper, every art piece etc? Why isn't the goal to train the model on a massive cultural sample of "Humanity" and see what it discovers? If they had pushed this instead muh AGI Terminator, they would have gotten normies to happily give up their copyrights.

>>106218670
>What's actually stopping us from training on every book ever written, every newspaper, every art piece etc?
We essentially ARE doing that.

>>106218618
>if you're expecting a massive gpt-2 to gpt-4 level jump in quality and power and stuff, your best bet is to basically pray for an alien to fly by and drop off some hard drives
I was kinda expecting a c.ai to Opus level jump in quality, but I will admit I am a retard.

>>106218636
Once you've used a model enough every conversation becomes flavorless slop before you're even a third into their memory limit. I've long bored of using this shit for anything but short low effort coom.

>>106218493
I don't keep track of celeb gossip but I heard there was one chinese female on the deepseek team.

>>106218508
cumming on her cute nose!...
whew good card

>>106218698
>LLM nerds classify as celebrities now

>>106218706
Considering the deepseek team was all over mainstream news a couple months ago, yeah. But they have chinese names so no one remembers them like sama.

>>106218273
holy shit

merkava where
kermava when

>>106218691
all current models are transformer-based and finetuned on QA datasets
no one has trained a model on predicting the next page of a book yet

What the hell do you do to jailbreak 4.1 Opus? It's completely bouncing off any JBs I've got, and it doesn't help that the Rentry seems super outdated.

>>106218774
prefill
that's literally it
are you trying to do violent cunny rape or something?

I can't get Gemini to actually write back to me with any presets :(
It's probably the best cope model but my god it doesn't let anything through

>>106218787
What do you think? He's complaining about opus of all things.

>>106218774
The claude models are best used with a very light preset. The jailbreak field itself should be a couple of sentences at most and the prefill just one sentences going "ok understood i'll do what you said" or similar. That should be enough to get it to do even depraved loli rape stories, and going harder will detract from what the card's description says.

>>106218714
To be fair, most people only know the names of CEOs like Sama, Dario, etc.

>>106218787
No, I'm not even trying to do NSFW right now, The exact same thing works just fine on 4 Opus.

>>106218670
>What's actually stopping us from training on every book ever written, every newspaper, every art piece et—
it's copyright. now stop seething like a retard

>>106218804
Really? I do the nastiest shit with it.

>>106218831
You are retarded since you didn't read my comment.

>>106218836
Can you please catbox your .json? I've been trying for hours
It's such a poorfag model there's no way we're gatekeeping this
...right?

>>106218825
Is there a chance you fucked something up on your preset while you were switching from 4 to 4.1?

>>106218843
https://rentry.org/Writing_Style

>>106218848
Just like that? You haven't modified yours any?

>>106218624
I'm on HRT, anon

>>106218837
>If they had pushed this
again. it's copyright. now stop seething like a clueless retard. also, please explain why 'train the model on a massive cultural sample of "Humanity" and see what it discovers' would lead to normies give up their copyright.

>>106218848
>>106218857
That just cuts off in the middle of reasoning and never actually writes the story

>>106218879
Turn off use system prompt and streaming.

>>106218483
BUT THAT'S UNETHICAL WE HAVE TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES

>>106218888
Oh, thanks. Which regex exactly do I have to use to hide the reasoning? There's only one in the rentry but it says it's for GPT (I used it anyways and it didn't do anything.)

>>106218904
Add this:
>[\s\S]*?<\/think>\s*

>>106218037
Nothing will change. You either become a paypig for corpos or you drop this 'hobby' altogether. No inbetweens.

>>106218919
>/aicg/ spoonfeeding and it works
Bro...
Thank you bro

>>106218945
Gemini sometimes tends to fuck up the CoT by not applying the whole correcttly, and this preset kinda sucks when it comes to certain type of dialogues not to mention that the authors picked by the person that created kinda sucks. So change it at your will.

>>106218963
So it takes inspiration from real life literary authors and it affects the output?
Really most of the time I tweak stuff for the narration to go straight to the point, just plainly describing what happens and the actions of the characters, I'm really more interested in the dialogue anyways.

Any tips?

>>106218981
>So it takes inspiration from real life literary authors and it affects the output?
Yes, specially the prose.

>>106217831
wakasex

>>106218363
what you need to do is make your narrator a character with their own listed desires and agenda that they won't compromise on then you just do a back and forth with them through the actual characters.

>>106218618
How sad
Now I almost wish the schizos were right and Google and Facebook really were okay with digging through the billions of private DMs, Facebook profiles, Instagram, and emails, Whatsapp messages, etc etc and the countless other shit that exists as a mountain of available data that is right there within their possession to use to upgrade the models. But alas they appear to be wrong

>>106218483
Fuck yeah bro they should make all drugs totally legal and over the counter too.

>>106219071
if only we all worked together and cooperated ):
unfortunately at the moment AI/LLM progress is being held back by lots and lots and lots of data scientists tirelessly trying to hoard data for me but not for thee.
>"You can't train on this it's ours."
>"You can't train on that, it's copywrited"
>"You can't train on 中国的数据。because of 防火墙"
the best most accessible data we have is huge scrapes of whatever got scraped and shared before the greed kicked in.

>>106218483
this is antisemitic, what if the user says he made child porn with my tools?

>>106219089
bro doesnt know about canada

>>106219110
You could've just as easily made it with Photoshop or Blender. Are you going to sue Adobe or the Blender Foundation too?

>>106218831
>>106218875
(((joyright))) is a made-up idea and should be ignored for the sake of technological advancement, simple as. Don’t much care for Israel lobbyists saying otherwise.

>>106219089
They should. It will kill all the fucking druggies, and just like that, a massive societal drain vanishes. All the homeless get to disappear in a self-induced drug haze, and the rest of us carry on.

>>106218483
There’s exactly one company that handles things like this, and everyone seethes about it 24/7 because muh imaginary children.
People are cattle and get what they deserve. Price gouging and corporate nannying are what they crave. They’re built to be slaves and freak out whenever the bars aren’t visible.

...typical talk from people who don't have Opus and need to talk to someone else instead of {{char}}...
Pathetic.

>>106219263
>There’s exactly one company that handles things like this, and everyone seethes about it 24/7 because muh imaginary children.
Which company?

>>106219090
The amount of waste generated by companies doing duplicate training of almost the same models on almost the same data is depressing.

I started using chatgpt(free,app, iphone) to log my gym lifts and protein intake

its over for me

>>106218363
You’re forgetting that around 60% of people are so self obsessed that a mirror is all they’ve ever really wanted from another person.
They’ll happily get their dick sucked and slowly become schizophrenic from the increasingly self-referential loops floating away from reality.
Most people are bad people. Good people might be an oxymoron.

>>106219089
I don't avoid drugs because they're illegal, I avoid them because I don't want to do them. Why can't you?

>>106219089
let natural selection run its course
if you medicate yourself without reading labels you deserve it :)

>>106219127
>he doesn't know what Adobe as started doing
heh heh... oh no no no no no no...

>>106219336
>humans are... inherently LE BAD!
Or maybe it's society being dogshit thanks to certain (((parties))).

>>106218361
>Now when DS v4 and R2 come out all of this bullshit will finally come to an end.
Pardon my ignorance but what are those? I assume r2 is a deepseek model but what about the other?

>>106219396
Also Deepseek

>>106219396
Both are Deepseek models. R1 -> R2 and V3 -> V4.

>>106218363
skill issue. With gemini, I have the exact opposite problem. Gemini tends to be very hostile to me and tries his damnedest to push things in whatever direction he wants.

>>106219310
I read this as goyim lifts but in truth I don't see a difference. Maybe this is why people hate frogposters?

>>106219416
>>106219425
Oh shit thanks for some reason I skipped the DS and just read v4

>>106219437
kek I specifically wrote DS just so people wouldn't be confused.

>>106219372
>muh jews
Everyone that meets some kind of threshold for sentience should get 1-10 free passes per year to beat a non sentient to death for being insufferable

>>106218361
>openscam victim
Sad

>>106219487
>>106219487
>>106219487
>>106219487
fluff out

>>106215513
>>106215571
>>106215571
Your seething betrays your virginity.

desu

boku

>>106214980
>>106220059