Thread 106223690

Are we not heading for a Dot-Com bubble 2.0?

I don't think it's just an "AI bubble" at this point, it's more like an "IT great filter event" where the whole tech sector made the perfect weapon to kill itself.
What will be the economic value of the whole global internet infrastructure once it's 90-95% bot traffic? Sounds to me like an economic catastrophe that will send internet back 2-3 decades.

>>106223690 (OP)
Maybe it will revert back to how things were before personal computes, when only large organisations could afford computers. But, in this case, it will be LLMs can are confined to large organisations.

Have isps record what their customers are doing
if the person is doing bot attacks you send a missile to their house
problem solved

>>106223727
Yeah sounds nostalgic, but that would still be a bumpy ride down as we try to figure out what to do with billions of dollars of IT infrastructure.

>>106223690 (OP)
>send internet back 2-3 decades.
God, I can't fucking wait.

>>106223746
Cool it with your retarded fantasies, Rajinder.

>>106223746
They’ll just do the first half and only so the second if you exhibit wrongthink

>>106223889
Honestly, me too. I just don't get why nobody talks about the economic calamity that will usher it.

>>106223690 (OP)
The IT sector also shot itself in the foot with rapid, forced diversity. Say for the sake of argument that everyone is equally capable of learning the job. A degree is still utterly worthless, so the new diverse workforce would have to work for White males for 20 years to actually become their equals. But they kicked out the graybeards around 2015 and everything started collapsing.

>>106223889
Tumblrinas have already done their damage

>>106223940
Well, to be honest, its compounded by the effects of AI assistance. It's been talked about to death on here, but overly relying on AI does make skill retention degrade. Yes, in the age you should absolutely be using it to complete your busy work, but if you're 'vibe coding' or whatever they call it where you are simply delivering your entire result copy and pasted strait from AI, then you're learning is going to be extremely hampered. You might write something that works, but as soon as anyone asks you what line X is doing, you're fucked.

That being said, low skill workers + AI just makes for a disaster waiting to happen. It's a bunch of people delivering solutions they do not have the slightest understanding of. So when something inevitably goes wrong, they won't be able to fix it or even know where to begin.

It's quite the quagmire the industry has created for itself.

>>106223690 (OP)
>75% of twitter is bots
Not unexpected at all, but I’m curious how other social media sites look in comparison

>>106224019
The AI is trained on the output of a decade of low-skill workers.

Not directly related to AI, but when MS added "see usages on Github" to VS, I tried it on C# IDisposable.Dispose(). Fully a third of the implementations threw ObjectDisposedException if the object was already disposed, which is absolutely wrong according to the docs. No wonder AI is a pile of shit and the people using it have no idea.

>>106223690 (OP)
>datakrash was always inevitable
how did pondsmith know?

>>106223690 (OP)
>>106223727
That was my first thought as well. Only people with lots of money to throw away will be able to host popular websites. And of course there will be a bunch of small personal websites. But the "middle class" will be eliminated.

I've already heard this from people who've been long-time bloggers; their ad revenue used to be enough to support both themselves and a small team of contributors, but recently it's dramatically decreased, to the point that they've had to fire their employees just to be able to afford to keep things going.

The future of the internet seems to be: a few giant websites, AI garbage everywhere, and a handful of nonconformists talking to each other in their little corner of the web.

this is why digital ID will kill the internet.
(and its a good thing)

>>106223690 (OP)
>How is the ad-based Internet supposed to work like this?
as long as line go up none of this shit matters bro
I can't even say I'm not a part of it
there's so many times I want to ask stuff on here and get ignored or told to ask AI or I just ask the AI instead
In the end the ads need to just go where the people are
I heard that grok is going to start putting in ads into its outputs, I imagine they're all gonna start doing that
and then we'll truly be in hell

>>106225514
Cloudflare-like services could easily block it if they wanted

>>106223690 (OP)
Reminder to pay attention to the sourcing.

Source of the claim comes from a subsidiary group thats owned by French multinational defense contractor, Thales. Thales is part owned by French gov. French gov has been one of the most vocal group trying to censor the internet for what they claim is "misinformation" and "disinformation" for going against state propaganda narratives.

If you dont understand what government propaganda is, this is it. Turn off your brain, TRUST THE EXPERTS (GOVERNMENT)

>>106225782
this won’t make blue checkmarks cool

>>106225849
Castration of the brain and the penis is your problem. You fell for gov propaganda that did the castration for you

>don’t you EVER insult my stimmies source, every time you hurt my stimmies you hurt ME!
kekyPOW

>>106223690 (OP)
When you have unregulated retardation like this that's what you get. Nothing is thought through or coordinated.

>>106223727
>>106225514
I totally agree, I work generating nsfw content and its becoming really hard to monetize stuff, seems like every site there was available just a couple of year ago just got fucked in the ass by payment processors and politics (gumroad, pixiv, now patreon is getting more and more restrictive), social media sites like reddit, x or ig will outright deplatform or shadowban you if some moderator thinks your content isnt suitable burying your reach.

It seems like only big corpo groups are allowed to sell stuff they can control aka onlyfans, its transforming into a monopoly

seriously, once most content and internet traffic is bots and AI how is ad based internet even going to work, 99% of their engagement will be artificial, how is this not a gigantic Potemkin village

>>106223690 (OP)
Digital ID will save the internet. They will only let users, and state approved sockpuppets use their websites. Rest of the bots will fuck off.
This is the future.

>>106223690 (OP)
The problem is not with half the traffic being bots, bots are an essential part of automation and a natural thing to see on the network, what's bad are those poorly coded pajeet python scripts spamming ads, engagement farming, and impersonating people.

>>106225964
its a useful vector for social engineering.
what it fails to generate in profits more than makes up for in conformity.
its more useful to the semantic economy than it is to the resource economy

>>106226189
Yep. Platforms can be used as propaganda services to push out narratives for the big government and WEF

>>106226189
From the government's point of view, yes. But private companies only care about "return on investment". When ads stop being profitable due to the fact that most views and clicks are not potential clients, the current business model will fall apart.

>>106226766
its a good thing that the government and "investors" are the ones subsidizing AI before the models become rebust enough to be used for private enterprise.

>>106226019
Good luck getting Jeets, Chinks, Russians, Americans, Europeans and Africans under one verification system.

>>106223690 (OP)
>internet is supposed to work
>why?
>...how is the ad-based internet supposed to work like this?
>why does that matter? why does the internet need to work?
>it's supposed to
>but why
>it just is
why are u like this

>>106225782
@Grok saar is this true? saar pls redeem the information saar

>>106223690 (OP)
It's all bullshit. In my country state owned companies buy ads in media that support the current government. These companies are subsidized by the government. It's probably similar with American government.

>once it's 90-95% bot traffic
Does he know?

>>106226766
>most views and clicks are not potential clients
this is the part I don't get. Who the fuck buys anything because of an ad? All an advertisement does for me is make me immediately despise the product or service and all the people involved with it. I have also never known anyone who purchased something because of an ad. And this is especially true for internet ads, since most of them are nothing more than annoying interruptions that keep you from seeing the content you want to see, that isn't exactly the best way of making a "potential client" like you. I will never understand online ad kikery.

>>106226972
You use this site. Doesn't mean you are special, but you probably can't judge the masses from yourself.
I've been baffled too how much normies can tolerate the internet without an ad-block.
So I can believe that these things have an effect on their purchase choices.

>>106226917
>IN MY COUNTRY

>>106226972
true, ad are more of an annoyance now.
but let me ask you this.
have you ever been prompted to buy something becuase of a post?
AI appears to be more relevant to the "influencer model" of advertising.

>>106227180
Wrong flag.

>>106227386
swedish win

>>106227299
>have you ever been prompted to buy something becuase of a post?
no
all influencers did was make advertising even faggier than it was before

>>106227402
NOPE

>>106225871
what the hell is an stimmies

>>106223690 (OP)
>>106223727
Why would it send anything back? Normies will always want to use faceberg and shittok whether is 50% bots of 99% bots. Have you ever been outside? Everyone is glued to their phones

>>106227491
Depends. The online advertising industry has been a ourobouros-like scam for at least 20 years now. You put up an ad, and then hope that everyone in the chain is being honest. You have to assume that Google is giving you genuine numbers based on their voodoo analytics fuckery, that the sites your ads are being shown on aren’t intentionally generating false engagement, and then finally that ads actually work. I’m very dubious of traditional advertising having any sort of efficacy at this point, the corpo fuckwits have screwed it for themselves by constantly bullshitting people to the point there is a substantial portion of the population that assumes any advertisement is a lie and that they shouldn’t buy it. We’re long past the point where most advertising is just about letting people know your product exists, it’s all about mindfucking the masses into thinking they need it.

Nowadays of course, marketing firms are a bit more savvy. You get the shit like obvious paid influencers, which are going to rapidly become just as ineffective due to pre-existing mistrust of any and all advertisements. But then you also get “woke” shit, where if you put an obnoxious diverse character into your product, you immediately get all the right wing grifter typed to bitch and moan about it. Even better, the lefty types will then start to push it simply because the “bad guys” liked it. This goes both ways, but the “woke” style grift is lower stakes.

Advertising is ultimately a moral hazard when taken past the point of informing people of the existence of your product. The internet makes it easy (were it not for all the marketing SEO slop that is also disingenuous) to research and find products yourself, to determine based on objective measures as well as personal requirements what you want most. I think most of the modern ad industry is now shifting to focus on exploiting children, since they’re the one group I think advertising reliably works on

>>106223690 (OP)
If you're american, you're doomed.
For the rest of us, though, things can only go up.