Intel bros... it's literally over.
Even Tech Jesus has given up on us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXVQVbAFh6I

>>106223879 (OP)
Even the prime AMD shill? How will Intel ever recover.

>>106223879 (OP)
I watched the AMD comeback. If Intel can't do the same, they're truly screwed.

>>106223985
they don't have jim keller now.
they are screwed.

>>106223879 (OP)
>that time israeli backdoors into intel cpu's got leaked and as a result all intel processors took a 15% permanent performance hit

>gAMDers nexus reports intel is totally dead
>and there was much rejoicing
uh-huh

>>106223879 (OP)
Cope intCels...
intCel has never been good at "investments", remember the Alpha bus? just to name one, intCel buys and seldom develops, every tech that comes to its hands, has less than 50% to be used and is probably let to die.
And add to the problem, they haven't had factories in American soil in a long time.

>>106224041
>fire jim keller
>throw all the work his team did in the bin
Rentable units never ever.

Well this is what /g/ always wanted so when is the party.

I see AMD just released a threadripper for $5000. Remember when the top of the line ones were under $1000? Ah memories.

>>106223879 (OP)
intCel probably stopped being useful to its Jew masters, just like Jeffrey. Don't forget where the Core technology came from, and with it the backdoor called Active Management...

>>106224138
/g/ told me in late 2016 - in no uncertain times - that intel was sitting on a trove of technology ready to go into their next chips should zen prove to be a threat to BTFO AMD forever.

>>106224162
Those were shills and intel fired all of them

israel is 6 months away from raising the flag in damascus and you're dooming about intel? you retards really think israel's dog is going to let intel fail? at their hour of victory?

>>106224138
I find it ok really
Intel stuff is going to go on a firesale.
Intel has the better platform

>>106224069
is there a way to disable spectre mitigation? There was never a poc and it would mostly be useful in server environments with shared momery, so desktop users got shanked for 15% for free

>>106224138
to be fair first gen threadrippers were pretty shit, the current ones are very close to epyc CPUs.

>>106223879 (OP)
Intel died years ago once it lost its strategic advantage in the foundry. The company has been running on sheer momentum at this point.
They hedged everything on 10nm going through without a hitch while snubbing at EUV. They continued to adventure into a number of misadventures and distractions. They are now reaping the long-term consequences of this.

>>106224239
Wrong first-generation Threadrippers were the deathblow to Intel's dwindling hold on "Cheap HEDT".
"Cheap HEDT" died mainly because SLI/CF were abandoned by Nvidia and AMD/ATI. Cheap HEDT only came because of PCIe lane requirements for SLI/CF.

>>106223985
AMD's comeback was planned, when they split off GloFo but got trapped into a shitty contract with them they knew just to lay low until it expired, Intel had no idea what was coming and the retard previous CEO doubled down on burning piles of money, they're completely fucked now.

>>106224259
wut no, threadrippers were first and foremost for workstations, price-wise they competed with intel i9s but the motherboard would set you back a few hundreds compared to intel mobos. HEDT was killed by 3dvcache if anything but it intel did the most damage with forcing cuck cores into every CPU.

>>106224277
>just to lay low until it expired,
It didn't expire - AMD bought their way out of the contract.

Intel won't recover.
They've lost way too many people.
Writing was on the wall when all those 20-30 year vets were all taking their very generous retirement offers. It's not useless people they are firing it's literally their core that built them up. It's not even a comeback they'd need it's like 300 hail marys and who the fuck is gonna do it?

>>106224341
HEDT is quite alive kiddo. It simply went back to its workstation/professional roots. Cheap HEAT arose because the demand for PCIe lanes needed for SLI/CF back in the day. Once that well dried-up. Cheap HEDT's rraison d'etre disappeared. The demand for expanded I/O connectivity went back to professional scene. The HEDT platform adjusted itself accordingly.

You realize that V-cache desktop SKUs are a happy accident? It was meant to only to used on special professional SKUs. The Ryzen V-cache chiplets are the "rejects" tailored for neurotic, min-max types. Who haven't yet grok that the CPU doesn't matter much anymore for the vast majority of gayming stuff.

good morning sirs
very gorgious video for good looks!

>>106223985
the one guy who oversaw the creation of ryzen, jim keller, wanted to help intel do the same but had to leave early because of nonsensical internal politics
intel are really fucking dead

>>106224458
Did he misgender someone? Or did he mention Gaza?

>>106224162
>add 2 cores per year technology
>1 horsepower chiller technology
>rebranded atoms forced down your throat technology
they were right doe

So what is going to happen to userbenchmark? Do we need to send some sort of emergency services out to his house to prevent suicide?

>>106224194
userbenchmark hasn't been updated to show the new threadrippers
i think the guy truly lost his cushy intel job

>>106224484
It was a dispute on outsourcing.

So when is IBM coming back to the consumer space?

>>106224413
I get you now, yeah threadripper didn't fill the HEDT market but rather killed it for gamers although it did make a comeback awhile ago when cheap xeons flooded the market.

>>106224259
Nah. Cheap hedt got destroyed by the plucky $330 ryzen 7 1700 that outperformed that $2000 i7-6950x at stock.

>>106224231
uninstall the intel-microcode package and add mitigations=off to your kernel parameters
>b-but muh windows
winblows is slow anyway

>>106224536
since IBM has a hatebonner for dealing with peasants I think never, but I can see them buying intel fabs (by their own volition or not) while they go fabless.

>>106224231
you can stop the intel microcode package from loading by renaming, moving or deleting it from C:\Windows\System32\mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll

>>106224545
More like the 1800x beat the 6900k. The 6950x was still reigning supreme.

>>106224565
that's definitely more accurate

>>106224546
do zens benefit from mitigations=off? also isn't ucode helpful for performance?

>>106223879 (OP)
>cope chudcel!
The level of discourse on this shite site is pathetic.

>>106224536
Not when they're balls deep into DEI and firing white men for being white men.

>>106224412
They have the US government to give them an infinite money pit

>>106224575
your bios loads the thats on the bios rom
the one in the OS is usually slightly more updated to patch security flaws meaning you lose performance from the OS's ucode

>>106223985
>AMD comeback
>it's just them and Njewdia paying 15% tithes to Lord Taco

>>106224412
The ones who could do it are the ones too busy carrying the shit engineers who should have been fired years ago.

>>106223879 (OP)
Nvidia is next.
Kek willing it.

>>106224575
>do zens benefit from mitigations=off?
very minor compared to intel, Id not do anything on zen
>also isn't ucode helpful for performance?
ucode is mostly to fix hardware bugs, not increase performance, mitigations included here. if you dont experience crashes with your apps then you can leave them out

>>106223879 (OP)
yo RETARD
I didn't unsub from that channel just to have it shilled here. FUCK OFF WITH DRAMANEXUS

>>106223879 (OP)
RIP bozo
More taxpayer money incoming

>>106224647
try the 'don't recommend' button

>>106224546
they really should offer this option by default, yo you're not a server running vmware/proxmox/etc? here is your free +15% buff

>>106224647
>unsub
imagine having yt account... /g/ fags are you for real?

For years there was intel contrarians saying their revival was just around the corner and "sorry im still buying intel" "sorry I'm still not buying AMD," are there still any of those schizos left?

>>106224458
>nonsensical internal politics
Otherwise known as bureaucracy vulture jews

>>106224698
your not wrong. massive corporations and governments tend to attract the worst types of people (power hungry, full-time people manipulators) and this will eventually erode away the good hardworking people who actually contributed to bringing the organization to where they are currently, and then it will eventually collapse in on itself

>AMD having a monopoly on x86
damn I better buy a midrange Zen7 chip for only $3000

>>106224832
Imagine x86 dying and we having to buy some locked down ARM garbage

>>106224877
Don't worry, you will be able to choose between nvidia's arm and qualcomm's arm socs in addition to apple's already existing arm powered pcs

>>106224920
what about Apple silicon you homo?

>>106224832
They don't have a monopoly - VIA still make cpus.

>>106224934
Don't make fun of my boyfriend's favorite chips >:(

>>106224832
I think most likely we will still see $300-350 mid range like Ryzen 5, but two things will happen. Prices won't drop like they usually do a few months after launch. And the tech will stagnate like IPC will have small incremental improvements like Intel did before Ryzen appeared, and AMD won't give us more cores.

>>106224958
Stagnating is a surefire way to get into intel's current positions since cpu competition as a whole is getting pretty fierce (risc-v and arm)
I think its likelier that they will continue their pace but incrementally raise prices & margins over time until it hits 70-75% just like what nvidia did

Haven't intels newer chips like lunar lake/panther lake been really good though? Is it just a case of "too little too late?"

>>106225015
didnt TSMC make those lmao

Come on, they wouldn't be in a bad position if their cpus weren't either drawing 500W or use cuck cores like in the phones.

>>106223879 (OP)
Thanks Steve
>WJS0Y

>>106223879 (OP)
>Even AMD Unboxed has given up on Intel
Uhh, I hate Incel as much as the next guy who understands what terms like "price/performance" and "performance/watt", but this is the equivalent of some Antifa retard on unemployment declaring the end of our God-Emperor.

>>106224695
I especially liked the ones who declared increasingly-nervously that "Intel has something in reserve", and "Intel Rehash Lake will destroy Ryzen".
Watching their heads explode when you asked "so Intel have been holding out on you for the past 10 years, deliberately drip-feeding you 5% improvements per generation?" was a joy.

>>106224695
go to any s***********

>>106224695
just earlier this year there were some schizos telling you to "buy the dip" to cash in on intel's coming revival

>>106225041
pretty much they only have themselves to blame from not investing in their own technology.

12th, 13th, 14th gen all disasters
their new ones an even bigger trash heap

as for server side epyc has been raping them nonstop they simply do not have customers any more

What is intel's customer now? It's only in laptops because AMD still can't get their shit together to actually supply OEMs

i don't want intel to die kikeslop is still better than chinkslop

>>106225197
>preferring kikes over anyone

you don't belong here

Intel still makes double the revenue of AMD
/g/ is full of delusional people who can't read the bottom line since their autism is a serious impairment to their thinking skills.

You think that if intel dies, jews will form new corpo?

>>106225264
>i-i make $100k a year u only make $50k a year loser
>ofc i shoot $200k a year of drugs up my arm...

>>106225018
Doesn't matter who makes them. Intel designed them, just like AMD designed Ryzen. Intel offloading their fab to TSMC would be the logical move just as AMD did, just as every other major player in the chip game has done. Intel can keep their own fabs around for bigger nodes which are still relevant for many other products.

>>106225264
>Intel still makes double the revenue of AMD
Have they tried making CPUs instead?

I find it worrying that all the big tech companies have chinese CEOs

>>106225278
they already did. its called israel

>>106225197
Very American post.

>>106225297
Good morning saar, do the needful and redeem all CEO with the supreme caste, saar

>>106225264
>Intel still makes double the revenue of AMD
contracts run out and 0 renewals and declining sales catch up real fast

>>106225405
>two more weeks
delusion

>>106224277
>AMD's comeback was planned
I hate schizophrenics. You can't plan shit like that, just like you can't even plan a date with a real woman

>>106225419
okay you convinced me intel is in a great place

>>106224277
The only plan was not releasing a new flagship for 5 years, the rest was so unplanned that they licensed zen 1 to a Chinese company when it still wasn't clear if they would succeed.

>>106224199
this
american tax payers will save jewtel LMAO

>>106225264
>revenue
Do they make double profit, too?

>>106225603
Checked. Intel lost money while AMD made some, lol

>>106223879 (OP)
Intel CPUs are much cheaper per frame than AMD CPUs in my country, while AMD GPUs are much cheaper than NVIDIA GPUs. Doesn't affect me or my future purchases until the prices get sorted out.

Let me get this right
>Hire a guy to fix a fuck up they made without allowing him to change the roadmap
>fire him because he didn't give the results they wanted when the roadmap was fucked from the start and the products shit
>hire some Chinese guy that can't fix a thing
Wasn't the other guy a talented engineer that could have actually done something if they didn't restrain him?
Let these swine dwindle and become a niche gpu company they seem to be able to handle that

>>106223879 (OP)
Isn't the new CEO some kind of Chinese spy? There goes Intel ME lol.

>>106226027
Tan is malaysian

>>106226048
So is Fat Leonard.

>>106226048
Chinese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip-Bu_Tan

Intel aviv bros we lost. The goyim will pay for this oy gevalt

>>106226071
>Tan then moved to the United States and completed a master's degree in nuclear engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).[5] Tan began his doctoral studies in nuclear engineering at MIT. However, after the 1979 Three Mile Island accident and the subsequent sharp reduction in opportunities in the nuclear industry, Tan left MIT
So, he literally blew up a nuclear plant?

>>106226126
>american level of reading comprehension

>>106223879 (OP)
it's Celestial or nothing at this point

>>106226145
did YOU commit terrorism y/n

wat to get DEPORTED?

hate sickos simple as

>>106224458
He was fired because he was pushing to fab at TSMC instead of Intel to catch up.
They insisted they can do it themselves, then they failed and fabbed at TSMC anyway but he was already gone
utter retards

I really liked how Intel suffered the past 2 years but I always forget what happens when there is only one big player left.
so please survive Intel and make a come back with the 15700x3D

>>106224458
Keller cooperated with the Zen development but he was in charge of the cancelled ARM AMD.

>>106224562
>mcupdate
God damn Amerifats

>>106226014
Yeah the last guy was actually good but was essentially set up to fail.

dell bros... what will we do

>>106226014
Correct.
(((Shareholders))) didn't like the idea of spending money to build infrastructure because it meant more short term losses.

those engineering and manufacturing layoffs look really bad

The government will have to keep intel around in some form as the glowie chip supplier

>>106227480
>glowie chip provider
thats what having a duopoly of processor companies both of which do spooks to their firmware on ur command is useful

>>106227480
fAgpple can substitute intel

>>106223985
I remember the "just wait for ryzen bro" memes from 2016 - 2017. those aged way too well

>>106227735
Ah, the good 'ol days.

>>106226289
>He was fired because he was pushing to fab at TSMC instead of Intel to catch up.

Intel was trying to do the morally right thing at least.

>Company takes a bunch of money from the government (taxpayers)
>Dies
Lmao
kek even

Maybe gluing cpus together isn't so bad after all.

Can you please stop saying mean things about Intel I put 50k into them at $18 and I've seen no growth.

>>106224199
Mindbroken by kikes....grim

>intel dies
>China captures/bombs TSMC before US plants are built
Could it be the end of high-end consumer electronics?

>>106223879 (OP)
grim for people who liked pc with uefi and some freedom, fuck arm and riscv wil be pozzed aswell

>>106225287
Kek

>>106224162
>>106224138

>>106228883
Nice try david kantor.

>>106225264
Bro is crashing out
>Double the revenue
Technically true but AMD is doing way better on the whole 'making money' front when you factor in costs, you wouldnt know that because your a 17 year old who couldnt run a fucking lemonade stand
>delusional
>the bottom line
>autism
>thinking skills
Seething
Uncontrollably

>>106225264
>double the revenue
>can't read the bottom line
This is about seeing where the market is going to be 18 months from now, not assuming it's going to stay where it was yesterday.

>>106228199
Samsung is ok though

>>106225283
kek

>>106228243

>>106229517
Future so bright I gotta wear shades.

Gamers Nexus clickbait trash. This is PCMR fodder.

>>106228243
Fun fact: compared to intel 14 nm (broadwell), intel 14nm+ was actually 16nm because they reduced transistor density quite a lot.
GF 14nm was like 16-18nm in comparison and more optimized for low clocks.

>>106223969
>>106223879 (OP)
>get rid of engineer chritian
>install Taiwan MBA retard private equity guy that will cut and sell everything off.

>be pat
>realize your company is left behind on tech
>use all the money you accumulated to on r&d to stay competitive and advance
>stock holders doesn't like this cause stock price go down and you spending.

MBA ASIAN HERE WE ARE GONNA CUT COST AND SELL THING OFF TO GET MONEY AND SHOW GOOD QUARTER NUMBER TO BOOST STOCK PRICE!!!!!!! SHORT TERM GROWTH!!!!!!!

>>106223879 (OP)
I'm out of the loop. Is Lip-Bu a retard?

>>106230049
he's doing the right thing of selling off intel fabs and outsourcing everything to TSMC as american fabs can't compete with god-tier taiwan fabs

>>106230177
Mine Got

>>106228199
Nope, sleepy joe made sure Samsung and tsmc built some fabs in Arizona so we'll be fine.

>>106226014
Worst of all, they have, Yeary, an investment banker as the head of the board of directors and he *totally* doesn't have a conflict of interest in getting intel to acquire useless companies over the years to raise the stock value of those companies

>>106226431
more importantly, he helped restructure amd's cpu teams so that they were given the freedom, tools and resources needed to make good cpu uarchs & socs

>>106224458
>the one guy who oversaw the creation of ryzen
That was Lisa Su.

Cause you don't know what you're talking about, Keller's whole career was based on marrying modern process nodes with good designs. Not actually working on process nodes or designs separately. He had nothing to do with Intel's designs and was just working on process node five years ago.

>>106228209
>spectre
>meltdown
>mds/zombieload
>fallout
>ridl
>scsb
>fpvi
>retbleed
>plundervolt
>dirty cow
it is security researcher's fault for trying to smear intel's name

>>106231120
Why did security researchers only get good at discovering hardware bugs like seven years ago.

This isn't a conspiracy, there is no malice, I believe that were just retarded until seven years ago.

>>106229886
>>106229952
the one who wants to sell off everything isn't lip bu-tan but their board of director's slimy yeary

>>106231061
Honestly yeary might save Intel, he said he plans to sell the fans to the US so they can create USFoundry which honestly sounds like something Trump might be into and would be willing to dump billions for it.

>>106231098
My point is that he's the guy that puts together the teams to design stuff >>106231074
That's way more important than working on specific technical details

>>106231120
>>106231137
It wasn't a coincidence. Since the early 2000s a lot of companies like Google began to do a lot of security audits starting from hardware and basic software (row hammering, heartbleed, zero day), especially after the Snowden affair and reports of web persistent fingerprinting that caused a lot of paranoia and consolidated that area as of public interest.
Intel greediness was the cause of all that problems because some of their Xeon had better security features.
Cryptos (ransomware) and the IT dependence after 2011 only increased the importance of patching those problems.

>>106231161
No it isn't. Working on technical details is what matters for technical details.

And he didn't "create the team" in any event, the majority of Zen 1 was designed by Lisa Su's team in Taiwan. That was a lot of AMD's talent at the time that could commit long periods to R&D. It didn't matter literally who worked at AMD above Lisa Su at the time, they would have assigned her team to lead the design regardless.

>>106231205
technicals are important but the people who are working on it is even more important
sounds like you don't understand anything desu

There was a time when I only bought intel. For years. It makes me sad that intel is dying. I have had 7 intel processors in my life beginning with pentium iii and ending with 10th gen (laptop). My desktop has a 5700x and an 9070xt and I wouldn't buy intel again unless things change massively thoughbeit. I will be buying am6.

>>106231120
mitigations=off

>>106231309
No, working on technical details is literally all that matters for technical details. Managers aren't "important", they're just middle managers who greenlight obvious ideas in the face of investors or whoever else is getting in the way.

You didn't even know who created Zen, be quiet.

wtf Emily Young looks like THAT?

>>106231507
You mean mike clark? Yeah I know about him
If you think its Lisa Su then you don't know shit