Thread 106231614

>users and contributors' identities will now need to be verified
so when is 4chin going to implement id verification for UKers

4chan devs too lazy and retarded probably it will just get blocked by cloudflare for uk residents in a few months

>>106231659
Nice, hopefully eu is next.

>>106231614 (OP)
Oh fug

>>106231741
Does your vpn work on 4chin

GOT A LOICENCE FOR DAT ARTICLE? YOU WOULDN'T BE ENDANGERING THE CHILDREN'S WOULD YOU?

>so when is 4chin going to implement id verification for UKers
Never. We do not have servers physically in the UK. They don't have the ability to do anything other than force their ISPs to block us. And because there is nothing else they can do on this matter, there is no reason for us to block them ahead of time.

Someone with a gun go to that island snd start shooting at ppl

>>106231614 (OP)
I hope wikipedia just blocks the UK

>>106232244
This isn't about "servers in a country", this is about following what is European law and soon to be US law too. Unless you want 4chan shut down completely, you will give your ID.

>>106231614 (OP)
Sure brits can, their drug cartels seem to have no issue operating under the radar (though they also largely infiltrated authorities in the UK)

>>106232273
>Unless you want 4chan shut down completely
I do

>>106232273
This isn't UK law either, there just need to be enough people, companies and authorities not obeying the "law" in the UK to render it a fictional law

Currently the main issue is, Starmer has still enough loyal men in police and military behind him

>>106231614 (OP)
I don't quite understand what the UK govt hoped to accomplish with this. All they did was stir up trouble and force the population to take a right-wing stance.

>>106232315
the populations opinion isnt being asked

>>106232315
Distracting from the enormously rising crime and their loss of authority IRL

i support this. how many time i have seen pages being censored/grifted by anonymous editions. one time i geolocalized the ip of the editor and it was an usa military base; they tried to remove information about a general being corrupted and would have succeeded if i hadn't checked randomly the page's history.

>>106232297
what are you implying, m8?

>>106232333
I am implying that the men in their military or police may decide to install a new government XD
Not like it doesn't happen with other unloved leaders like Assad.

>>106232333
>>106232375

II: Do you trust election results in the UK? Are external observers allowed to watch the counting process?

>>106231741
What are we going to do mate?

>>106231659
Damn, if we could only do this for India.

>>106232424
This isn't some big gotcha but yes, the free press are allowed to watch the counting process, along with the EC being open too.
The UK election results are the way they are because FPTP is genuinely awful, gerrymandered and a large chunk of England is right leaning. Not because of voting corruption.

The UK had a chance to change to PR or STV 15 years ago, but the liberal democrats (ex-SDP retards) gave in to the conservatives in their coalition government and allowed a referendum on AV.
The turnout was law, messaging muddled, huge campaign to keep FPTP funded by labour & conservatives and so came 14 years of conservative rule. Right up to the point the right finally split their vote.
See, because seat distribution is biased, what happened is that Labour got in with a minority of the vote.

As in, the reason you may think it's a gotcha that Starmer's in charge and the vote was stolen: The numbers show that Starmer lost vote share from Corbyn, a heavily smeared socialist. However he was only winning seats by small margins and even losing vote share on winning seats.
Wes Streeting is the 2nd most hated man in the UK.
>In 2019 he won his seat with 50.5% of the vote on a 68.7% turnout, a majority of 10.4%, 25,323 votes total.
>In 2024 he "won" his seat with 33.4% of the vote on a 59.76% turnout, a majority of 1.2% of the vote, 528 votes total.

This is merely the result of FPTP being one of the worst voting systems in the world.
If you're wondering why Labour won't change it when it would benefit them. Well, the Labour party is subject to the right & centrists constantly being at war with the left of the party, they broke away in 1981. The "New" Labour right (Blue Labour) hold the belief that because Blair got in on 1997, FPTP must stay so they hold power, suppress the left and this was it. This was what they were waiting for all along, 5 years of uninterrupted power.
FPTP does not work with low turnouts & high seat counts.

>>106232273
You're not safe in the streets.

With this gone, it would require the major tech players to blanket ban the UK, so reddit, alphabet, meta, X/twitter, Microsoft, Amazon etc.
To apply their safeguards more liberally or removing them stating that it's not cost effective.
Thing is they make too much money from the UK to try to pull this and they already paid for Peter Kyle's support for 5 years. So there's not a chance that a company like alphabet would shoot themselves in the foot.

You may ask why didn't they just buy Donelan? Because the last conservative government had so many reshuffles under Boris, Truss & Sunak the department is a merger of 3 separate departments.
They really should have bought her, these ministers are very cheap.

>>106232585
Nor is your mother in the sheets

>>106232607
>With this gone, it would require the major tech players to blanket ban the UK, so reddit, alphabet, meta, X/twitter, Microsoft, Amazon etc.
Not going to happen.

That's not true these shit hole dystopias have huge numbers of secret police online who are quite anonymous.

That article doesn't say this btw

wikipedia should just block us

>>106232607
They are obviously pulling malicious compliance and the big companies very much don't want it as it adds another costly level of oversight to their products.
I'm seeing the press on both the left and the right turning against it too. I'm not sure if anything with come of it but sentiment is against it across the political spectrum.

>>106232556
Honestly a system like Germany's is starting to look good, break up the big parties, have coalitions, etc.
Not saying Germany is perfect of course, they have plenty of issues politically, but I'm very much starting to feel realistically only having a binary choice is getting worse and worse when those choices are basically the same party ideologically now.

>>106232315
The UK government hasn't cared even slightly what the public thinks for at least 20 years and probably much longer.

>>106231614 (OP)
In theory 4chan will be fine if yellow boards are blocked, in it already has the reporting tools and moderation required by the law on the blue boards. I don't think it has the UK userbase to count as one the higher risk operators?

>>106232799
I wonder if other countries experience it, but it's shocking seeing how much UK policy is determined by Daily Mail/Sun sob stories.

>>106232320
>rising crime and their loss of authority IRL
Fake news, the law is being enforced vigorously there!

>>106232287
Isn't enforceable? Similar to piracy?

>>106231614 (OP)
I kept making a general dedicated to bypassing such restrictions, but it received little to no attention. I guess most people seething about it are terminally online clittycels who just want to anonymously share their unhealthy obsessions with random people rather than normal human beings who do not want to bend the knee to their government.

>>106231614 (OP)
>"we have to get out of the EU to stop illegal immigration, refugees, bad economic deals and evil laws!"
>now they get way more immigration
>way more refugees
>refugees are a protected class that is allowed to commit crimes impunely
>their economy never recovered
>they have worse laws than the EU
That was really sad to see.

>>106232940
Throw out the TV. Stop being an NPC and get rid of government approved media. Entirely
>B-but I want to watch the sports
Then stop complaining.

>>106232315
European nations and their descendants long for the feudal system.

>>106232315
Me neither, but Im sure the longnosed tribe is involved somehow

>>106231614 (OP)
finally holy shit wikipedia is full of groups of cocksuckers who coordinate disinformation to push their political and ideological agendas. ive seen entire ethnicities have their histories rewritten by people who hate them and wikipedia goes with it.

>>106233029
>We need to censor everything that I don't like

>>106232273
without anonymous posting 4chan is dead

>>106232315
This is coming everywhere in the western world, it's primarily to shut down people not wanting to be replaced by third-worlders which is happening across all of europe, (((they))) have decided that white people, a small global minority of ~8% will disappear, and it's now in its acceleration phase.

Everyone, even women finally, are realising that there's no denying it now, so any rejections regarding this needs to be squashed so that it doesn't build up into a movement, and forced internet ID is the perfect tool, because then you can have the police come knock on your door and round up anyone who makes posts that has an impact.

>>106232315
>muslim or chud terro attack inevitably happens
>WHY DIDN'T DA GOBBYMENT DO MORE TO STOP IT? IF ONLY THEY WERE ALLOWED TO PASS THE OPPOSITION'S BIG BROTHER OPPRESSION BILL THEM PEOPLES WOULD STILL BE ALIVE!
>government lose next election

both major parties in lockstep on national security is an anglosphere thing.

>>106233130
They also could like, you know, throw the violent muslims out, no?

>>106232273
>This isn't about "servers in a country", this is about following what is European law
You make a law, I decide to break it. What consequences are you capable of delivering to me? How are you to enforce this law? If I was in your country, you could send police to arrest me. I'm not in your country. If the law in question is hosting illegal content, and my server was in your country, you could send a police officer to the building that hosts the server, and physically unplug the thing. Or replace the running web application with a landing page that looks like pic related. But my website isn't hosted in your country. And if you send someone over here to try and enforce your law, I can just shoot you for breaking and entering because you don't have jurisdiction here.

Now occasionally, there are cases where you can have police in one country arrest a person, and have them sent to another country for prosecution. This is called extradition, and it usually happens when you have fugitives who flee a country, or who otherwise plot a crime that goes across national boundaries. The US has extradition treaties with a lot of countries, and that includes the UK. But the key thing about our extradition treaties is that they use a "dual criminality" doctrine. In other words, in order for us to send someone over to the UK, it has to also be illegal in the US.

Which brings me to your "soon to be US law too" thing. It ain't US law yet. And the thing you forget about Congress is that they can never agree on fucking anything. Few years back, we had a bill in Congress about banning child-like sex dolls. Went nowhere. You can still buy 'em today. Make no mistake, we'll kill these bills and laugh all the way to the bank as your governments are powerless to stop American businesses. "Hurr, we'll just block you". New domains are cheap and our VPN services take crypto.

Censorship should not happen at all. Make public information public and keep private information safe. My opinion. Fight me.

>>106232994
It truly is the worst crime of all time. And we don't even know who the architect of all this is. "It's the Jews" "it's the WEF" "it's the UN", okay, but give one name. Just one name.

>>106233305
Anon, we don't do split domains anymore. It's just 4chan.

>>106232424
If you're asking how this faggot is even in charge the answer is simple
Demoralisaton
The right has been btfod by the conservatives being ultra cucked for a decade
They're responsible for cucking to COVID and allowing the brown flood
They were functionality indistinguishable from the leftists at the time
So they lost their votes and this faggot got in not because he was popular, but because the right wing base just gave up
And then he comes out and does so awfully that he manages to make them look good

>>106231614 (OP)
You were never anonymous. The only difference is that instead of taking 2 days to find you it will now take a second to click a button.

>>106232779
MMP is good, but there’s a lot of inertia against it politically. It’s why you see stuff like ranked choice voting as stop gap measures that don’t really change the way the parliament is structure, and instead change how votes are counted.

>>106233006
>Throw out the TV.
How would this help?
The harassment doesn't stop until you pay, not having a TV is not even an excuse.

>>106233731
I've been drunk many times but never so drunk that I couldn't control where I urinated. Always made sure to find somewhere no one would see. Why are people like this

>>106232827
Of course it's like that in other countries too. A famous German journalist (Udo Ulfkotte) wrote a book about how he and his colleagues wrote what the secret services told them to write (he died of a heart attack a few years later by the way). And in general, that's how governments operate: they get the press to push an agenda so they pass a new totalitarian law, it looks like the public was asking for it.

>>106233360
That's a significant difference though. If it takes 2 days (hypothetically), it might make them think twice before wasting their resources on a minor offense, but if all it takes is a click of a button, they can afford to go after everyone who did something slightly suspicious.

>>106232315
Their masters told them that the internet was a threat to globohomo, and so they fell over themselves to try and censor it.

You have to stop thinking of governments as being a thing. They haven't been a thing in decades, they're figureheads for corpo interests.

>>106233809
>people
That's a strong word.

>>106232273
Ok, bye!

so will this just mean people move to the dark net

>>106233888
You're kind of thinking about this the same way as boomers thought about email.
> who cares if it's faster, I want to go back to paper letters carried by pigeons! I liked feeling them in my hands!
Whether it's more convenient for you or for the pigs in charge, the convenience is coming either way. Instead of trying to go back in time to when it took 2 days, you're going to need to think of a way to counter the new system, cause you're not going back to the old system.

>>106232273
How about we shoot you instead?

>>106234002
The difference is, e-mail was a new technology, and this is a law that implements existing technology. Technologies can't be erased, once the genie is out of the bottle, it's never going back in, but laws can and do get rewritten all the time. In practice, I agree that it doesn't make much difference since the general public doesn't care about privacy.

>>106233809
having a drunken piss in public isn't really enforced as a crime in the UK, unless they're looking for a reason to book you or your harassing people they'll generally leave you be (in this scenario)

>>106231614 (OP)
Unless I'm missing something, the article is not saying it would be restricted, but they would have to wait until they are actually restricted for them to raise a legal challenge.

>>106234126
It's not really a law though, the pigs just think it's more convenient. They could have done this 30 years ago, you've only been living on free-range internet because the government is so slow at making upgrades. All we can do is speed ahead of them so they take another 30 years to catch up.

>>106233342
That would be a way around age verification anon

>>106231659
4chan should block EU/Europe by default. Fucking communist cancer comes from there

>>106232315
>free speech is right wing
>privacy is right wing
>free internet is right wing
I mean I understand your statement, but its still funny how the left did 360 on basic individual freedoms

>>106231614 (OP)
vpns are still allowed, retard.

>>106234315
And really, this all took place few years back during the covid/election thing with US and Europe/UK doing hard censorship of the internet. And the UN joined in to push for hard censorship. This coordination came from WEF pushing censorship for their 2030 agenda. "You will have no privacy/freedom and you will enjoy it"

>>106234315
Both the left and the right are for free speech, so long as it agrees with them. Because it's about power, not principles.

>>106233963
I used to think these were ordinary English people until a friend pointed out these are Irish travellers.

>>106232273
>Unless you want 4chan shut down completely, you will give your ID.

As the tax payer who funds the government, I rather just get together and talk to other tax payers about how we don't want to fund such government

I know, crazy thought right, tax payers organizing themselves and having meetings to align the demands they want to give to their employees (government workers, aka our little bitches who do what we tell them because we pay their salaries)

>>106234358
I agree but there's a difference. The authoritarian bend is on both sides of the politics, on all sides of politics and will use it to suppress their "enemies". Right Censorship = Israel/Antisemitism, porn. Left Censorship = George Soros, Vaccine information, Virus information, Border policies, immigration policies, rape gangs, Hunter Biden laptop, porn,
Overall, the current trend is that left wing censors a lot more than the right wing. So I wouldn't say both sides are equal in their implementation or their expansiveness of censorship powers.

>>106233040
no, double digit, we need to expose people who censor reality

>>106231614 (OP)
the web, http(s), is dead
the future is obscure, obsolete, and and relatively unknown protocols. Gopher, Gemini, Bulletin Boards, IRC, FTP, anything but the protocol that the powers that be focused on.

>>106231614 (OP)
Uh Huh... i guess thats what those donation stuff was before.

>>106232258
It would be the only correct thing to do, and might actually generate enough public outrage to demand the repeal of the OSA.

>>106234461
Literally everything you said is wrong

>>106236728
Its okay, if you want to protect "your" cult

>>106234379
Ah yes, the mythical Irish tube traveler!

>>106231659
usa better be next

>>106233809
it's a nigger, why are you surprised

>>106234417
Paying taxes doesn't grant you any special rights. It's something you are required to do as a matter of obligation.
You're like one of those retards who screams "YOU WORK FOR ME!" at a police officer during a traffic stop.

>>106231614 (OP)
This is what Eurofags wanted, they are already letting their people be raped and killed by Muslims and niggers.

(((Encyclopedia Brittanica))) wins again.

>>106232273
>this is about following what is European law
There is no pan-European law or European Union level Directive or Regulation that obliges digital platforms to perform age verification based on your government ID.

In fact, there's very specifically a law which says platforms CANNOT be obliged to do that.
And that law is the same law which requires the protection of minors online to begin with: The Digital Services Act.

Article 28.1 establishes that platforms have to make reasonable efforts to protect minors from harmful content online. Article 28.3 specifically states that platforms cannot be obliged to perform age verification in context of fulfilling their duties under article 28.1 where that verification is based on methods that require requesting additional personal data of their end-users.

>>106234461
Literally everything you said is correct

>>106237431
American website. Go make your own if you don't like it, it's not hard

>>106232940
>he doesn't know about that old British meme

>>106231659
I'm going to have to buy a pass aren't I >_<

>>106231614 (OP)
Just a quick reminder that prince Andrew faced zero consequences for whatever he did with his best bro Epstein. Overall the UK is the most dystopian shithole on this planet, China is a paradise in comparison.

>>106237490
>Paying taxes doesn't grant you any special rights
Unfortunately in reality it doesn't, but it should.

>>106233187
>And the thing you forget about Congress is that they can never agree on fucking anything
You know that is the one silver lining thing about our incompetent government. It's really hard for any draconian laws to pass simply because they are too dumb to pass anything at all other than massive spending bills.

Has anyone else noticed, that r/privacy is pretty anti zionist?
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1mnkaw4/comment/n86vpno/

>>106231614 (OP)
you can, but it usually takes more iq than your average /pol/ clittycel has, therefore a fair share of people are just too lazy for that.

>>106234315
This is coming to the US too, be no mistaken. It has bipartisan support.

>>106239526
reddit is anti zionist because jews lost the oppression olympics. Brown Muslim > White Jews.

>>106238327
Would you join it?

>>106233360
It’s more about court system throughput than anything else.
>Months of case prep trying to tie a plaintiff to an IP address and metadata.
Vs.
>Here’s Nigel’s digital ID your honor.

>>106231614 (OP)
Why must politicians be total niggers time after time?

>>106232819
Yellow?

>>106232503
India will never be blocked because they are the cheapest and most effective way of spreading propoganda.

>>106232940
sending a letter isn't enforcement it's just killing the planet faster

People do realise tor is the best option against this censorship, right?

>>106242761
i dont think works on this site

>>106242479
Because the people put up with them. They only push back when it's between that and letting the country be destroyed or conquered. This is where the UK is headed.

If this site gets ID'd, I am buying a 4chan pass and a VPN.
speaking of passes, why can't you buy them with a credit card anymore?

>>106243828
CC companies didn't want to be associated with 4chins

But that's goood, we'll find out who the fat fucking Jewish commies are soon enough!

I once decided to add the Jewish version of Trotsky's name (they call him a Ukrainian), and it got removed by a British Jewish commie.

>>106232827
You still have a house of Lords. That alone should give a hint about the situation in the UK. Also, the Anglo mindset is just bizarre. The immigration from Germany and Netherlands helped dilute the craziness of the Anglo in early America.

>>106232827
>but it's shocking seeing how much UK policy is determined by Daily Mail
?

>>106233287
It's the Russians and maybe the Chinese.

>>106232315
They're basically making desktop apps a comeback for small devs by destroying webdev bit by bit with regulation favouring only the big players who can afford to implement this onerous bullshit.

Death to the web is my motto.

>>106233187
You're right if this were about jurisdiction, but you missed his point which is that in the US there are also age verification laws rearing their heads, and the anon you are replying to thinks they will pass and grow into ID laws.
That's conjecture on his part though.

>>106232258
I hope the leftoid echo chamber cesspit of Wikipedia goes tits up from this. It'll get rid one of the major looney left mouthpieces

>>106246605
>i will gladly cut off my left bollock as long as it owns the libs

>>106233731
All I've ever had to do was tell them I'm not using live tv.
Not the UK government by the way - those letters are sent by a private company. Civil case at most.

>>106244997
The house of lords as it originally worked was a good idea since it was full of landowners who had an interest in not fucking the country up. Now it exists purely for cronyism.

>>106246693
>Civil case at most.
Smartest lad in the village!
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/consultation-on-decriminalising-tv-licence-evasion

>>106232994
When the people of UK voted to leave EU they hurt their masters feelings.
They are getting punished for their hubris of believing they ever were in power.

>>106234461
>I agree but there's a difference
no as far as im concerned you're both back stabbing snakes . the so called free speech right stabbed us in the back with the same laws being passed in the u.s. as in the u.k. I will never again be your useful idiot .

>>106237413
Puts his caravan on the rails, has his horse pull it along the tunnels, dogs under the caravan in the dugouts,