Thread 106233184

why should i switch to this over Mint?
not bait, i wanna hear your arguments

>>106233184 (OP)
Honestly, if you have to ask, you shouldn't.
Artix is a systemd-free version of Arch, you probably have no idea why you should care for either Arch or systemd.
Just stay on Mint.

>>106233184 (OP)
Do it if you need the latest kernel/drivers for hardware compatibility. No point if you don't gain much from updating frequently

>>106233184 (OP)
I don't know, if you’ve got it in your head to switch distros, shouldn’t you already know why?

t.artix users

>>106233220
I haven't used Ubuntu in a decade but there used to be a PPA for the latest kernel and DRM, so not even that is needed.

>>106233259
This.
If you don't why you'd switch, don't switch.

>>106233184 (OP)
"Switching" thing is a meme if your machine currently does everything you ask of it.

You need not switch to install Arch in a VM or even download a prebuilt VM then decide if keep or delete.

>>106233184 (OP)
It's a great middle-ground between an non-existent full-featured normalfag-friendly distro and Gentoo, Source Mage, Lunar and alike.

>>106233184 (OP)
Does mint do the things you need it to do? Then don't

>arguments

this is /g/

just stay on mint, Bob

>arch based
lol
that's argument enough to avoid it like the plague

>>106233184 (OP)
LMDE here.
I would
>to get to know non-Debian better
>learn more about Linux/FreeDesktop by (assuming I will be) tinkering more
>be at the forefront of current and present development
>newest kernels, apps, libraries, packages
Pretty cool!
Would not recommend as a beginner Linux, unless already power user on Windows.

Reasons not to
>picrel
>you need "just werks" more than "latest and greatest"
>less "immediate" support, i.e. Arch users' configs have high entropy, whereas users' of Ubuntu will all have much more similar systems, meaning help is more concrete to your use-cases

Users who could seriously consider trying Arch out are those (Steam) gamers, who're now on Linux Ubuntu or Mint, like where the effort might actually really be worth it, since SteamOS is intending to use Arch as a base.

>>106235191
>Users who could seriously consider trying Arch out are those (Steam) gamers, who're now on Linux Ubuntu or Mint, like where the effort might actually really be worth it, since SteamOS is intending to use Arch as a base.
Don't forget to backup your "userdata" folder in Steam, that's where your screenshots, saved games, etc. are.

In fact, one nice thing about Linux is that symlinks are ubiquitous, I've just symlinked that folder to a folder on my home partition, meaning my Steam userdata actually resides on my (regularly backed-up) home disk's partition, not on the system partition, where steam is.

Then again, Steam has "Cloud" nowadays, you guys go figure that out, IDGAF as long as I myself am actually also keeping my own backups.

>>106233184 (OP)
Dinit boots way faster.

>>106235191
SteamOS using Arch, is as important or impactful to the average Arch user as ChromeOS using Gentoo or Android using Linux. It doesn't really matter. Steam is officially on linux only supporting Ubuntu's latest non-lts and lts release, and the average linux user, even the above average linux user is not capable of maintaining a secure and functional arch linux install manually.

>>106235287
I meant it more the other way around, the user learning about Arch via Steam, not necessarily Arch profiting of Steam's choice, but it very probably will as well.

Consider one possible future in maybe as short as a decade:
All Windows gamer PCs from 2025 are now in 2035 running SteamOS, which is basically Arch with Steam-set defaults and a logo slapped over.
Nobody uses Windows anymore for gaming, since MS locked all apps down to the Windows Store.

Now can you see why knowing a thing or two about Arch might be good?

>>106235191
>>106235236
Steam runs anywhere, it even has a flatpak. Hell, Ubuntu was the official distro since the beginning, Arch's support was non-official.
The only benefit Arch has is more recent mesa. drm and kernel, if you get a well supported PC, just go with Debian, the extra 2 FPS will not really be a problem.

>>106235191
This reads like a Reddit post.

>>106233184 (OP)
if you don't need cutting edge, keep it mint

>>106235460
Yeah, but if SteamOS actually becomes a thing, then that official support will swing from Ubuntu to their own distro.

That is, if they actually do pull-through on that.
They're at the 2nd generation of Steam Deck, IIRC?
Thus, they're already invested into Arch.

Gaming used to use a "generalized PC"; it's possibly less wrong to see the PC-gaming as "console-gaming with a super advanced-customizable console" in the modern age.

>>106235602
That kinda was the target audience, lel.

>>106235682
SteamOS is one thing and Steam itself another. It becoming available won't mean they will stop working on other distros, Proton is open source. You can check Steam's ebuild to see how it works.
Also, they are making so much changes that it will be as Arch as Manjaro is.

>>106235843
I don't deny it, man, but Canonical works on Debian too, because Ubuntu is downstream thereof.

I'm kinda feeling that Volvo is missing an opportunity here, I've had some somewhat brighter gamers ask me about Linux, because they were annoyed with Windows 11.

They were fully ready to dump Windows, in fact, Steam was the only reason keeping them on Windows.

Unfortunately, most of them are still on Windows today.
Steam's hard- and software survey does show Linux users increasing, though.

>>106235928
>>106235682
I don't think SteamOS will ever become a general purpose OS. Valve isn't going to expand to the degree required to support that logistically.

>>106236005
What else is there to support, the Deck uses x86-64 Zen2 APUs and NVME SSDs.

If they support that, it's, well admittedly not entirely trivial to support general amd64, but this isn't a MIPS or ARM conversion.

I'm no direct supporter of Valve, but if they weaken MS, go for it.

>>106236049
What else is there to support? The million different computer configurations that don't use Zen2 APU and NVME SSDs? You do understand that people are going to have issues with SteamOS, and if all hardware is supported they expect Valve to help them solve those issues.
Ever seen Windows support forums? How about Ubuntu ones? It's full of people with retarded and less retarded issues. That's the logistical barrier.

>>106235276
out of curiosity, how's dinit been treating you? flawless just work? asking because there isnt of distris running this innit, but looks great on paper.

>>106236623
Okay, okay, that's fair.
...but an experimental, general SteamOS you run at your own risk for a teensie-weensie start?
No guarantees, no support, if your PC blows up and opens a portal into 17 dimensions, that's on you, man.

i switched over to have the latest version of emacs without building it myself

>>106236734
I haven't used it, just seen some benchmarks. It's beta software.

>>106233184 (OP)
Do you feel filtered by Arch, want a refreshed ubuntu taste, ¡Linux Mint! with fine taste of user friendliness and hint D (that is systemD).

Use what you want.
Mint is decent, but nothing wrong with Artix.

>>106233184 (OP)
You probably shouldn't switch directly to Artix. Do a manual install of Arch and get used to the Arch ecosystem before switching to Artix or any other Arch derivatives. In my experience, Arch just tends to work better with everything and Pacman BTFOs Apt.

>>106233184 (OP)
Canonical is a MS platinum partner.
RedHat/IBM is a MS platinum partner.
XenServer/Citrix is a MS platinum partner.
Broadcom is a MS platinum partner.

You could go with OpenSuse
or back RockyLinux
or Talos Linux (Actually making everything K8 doesn't sound good..)
Hell! this is /g/ there should be an "Install Gentoo" thread.
Honestly Mint is really good.
shame we lost Clear Linux.
Here read this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering

Tl:Dr after being a know it all piece of crap and dumping problem software project after problem software project he left the Linux community to work for Microsoft.

>>106237623
>he left the Linux community to work for Microsoft.
I postulate he was always working for Microsoft which is why he created all that garbage.