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Anonymous No.106237374 >>106237871 >>106238135 >>106238317 >>106238404 >>106242229 >>106242412 >>106243044 >>106247439 >>106247444 >>106248175
Reminder that hacker culture died cuz the same hackers lateron became zogbots
>pic related
Young zoomers who feel bad about the long gone 'hacker culture' must not feel guilty as oldies often try to guilt trip zoomers for not knowing computer related stuff. These old fucks who cherished the hacker culture once became zogbots creating tools which destroyed hacker culture.
Anonymous No.106237679
Yeah I'm a corpo-backed white hat hacker, look I won scamazon's good goy cuck hacker contest. OH OH I AM GONNA CHIP OFF I AM GONNA CHIP OFF *prays to the lord*
Anonymous No.106237682
Honestly they have been churning out some pretty good zog hackers.
Anonymous No.106237871 >>106238079 >>106241728 >>106242996 >>106247123
>>106237374 (OP)
anon, a lot of these old hackers were always fucking sell outs and bootlicking prostitutes, and always selling out everyone after they get caught by cops or come across a revenue stream. these faggots will sell each other out to cops just for the money. they will report rivals to fbi. as for the real hackers of the world, you will never know their names, you will never see them attention whoring on the internet. the hacker culture is real, still exists, it simply doesn't exist in the white hat world of sucking on corporate cocks for loose change while these corporations make billions.
Anonymous No.106238079 >>106238103
>>106237871
I'd reckon richard stallman is a real one, and I see his face.
Anonymous No.106238103 >>106240635
>>106238079
>richard stallman
He is jewish tho.
Anonymous No.106238135 >>106243044
>>106237374 (OP)
I just want the culture spread to zoomniggers.
Anonymous No.106238241
kek the one way I knew that it was still being transmitted to zoomniggers was roblox hack forums, but I guess the last of those have gone down now too.
Anonymous No.106238260 >>106238396 >>106247985
Most of them got busted at some point and were offered a deal - work for the feds with great pay and benefits, or go to prison until you're old and never legally be allowed to use a computer ever again

These guys are computer nerds, not gorilla warfare rebels or martyrs
Anonymous No.106238317 >>106238338 >>106238680 >>106248175
>>106237374 (OP)
Hacker culture died for a variety of reasons
1) The association of the term with "cracking" or specifically security, as ironically displayed by that very post.
Not that one cannot "hack" in ways that bypass security, but this association of hacking with security hacking killed the essence of the word and what truly motivates "hacking" in "hacking culture".
Hacking is creative, divergent, unconventional problem-solving. It's when you "hack" your way into something in a way that is not normally "meant" to be.
Hackers are typically hyperactive divergent faggots with deficient prefrontal cortexes for that reason. "Hacker culture" is about curiosity, creativity, divergence, impulsivity. It's the hyperactive version of engineering which is more autistic and disciplined/structured. The hacker acts on an impulse/curiosity and solve in unconventional and creative ways whereas the engineer is more likely to act in a structured manner and follow specific, established protocols and just do his fucking job even when it's boring.

2) Lack of necessity. Hacker culture as I explained is just engineering from an hyperactive faggot's lens. But the motivation to "hack" has to come from something, from curiosity, from a problem, from a limitation.
Back then becoming an "hacker" and impulsively trying to solve your own problems happened naturally because back then software and hardware was much more limited so you naturally had more problems. You HAD to figure out certain things by yourself which naturally gave way into "hacking" if you were motivated and impulsive enough.
Nowadays shit is way too easy. Hardware is so high performing, internet is so fast, and software is bloated beyond belief but the hardware is so efficient it keeps up with the Electronware Chromium instance for a note-taking app faggotery that is being pushed nowadays.
Without limitations, problems, easy access to answers, cheap access to stimulation etc... people don't "hack" as easily.

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Anonymous No.106238338 >>106238371 >>106238680
>>106238317
I remember as a kid I had very limited and slow access to the internet and that's how I started to "hack", I was bored. The full HD Tik Tok videos kid watch endlessly on Tik Tok would have taken me 3 days to load in 144p.
Why would a kid nowadays ROM hack when he can just download another game?
When there are so many games so easily accessible?
Lack of necessity breeds lack of initiative
Easy access to stimulation makes it hard to seek stimulation from being curious/creative

Also, as I said earlier hacker culture is generally a result of at worse hyperactive disorder, or at best just mirrored traits of hyperactivity in a normalfag.
In which case, even hyperactive and pseudo-hyperactive fags eventually grow up and develop a bigger prefrontal cortex which their disabled selves have been terribly lacking in for decades.
Having a bigger prefrontal cortex makes them more conscientious, more worried with public/normalfag perception, more organized, and more willing to actually work in ways they do not inherently find stimulating.
This is when these "hackers" who were once impulsive creative kids suddenly decide that it's time to get a job and become zogbots as exemplified in this thread.
A zogbot makes steady income, is comfortable, is held in high regards by normalfags in his quiet neighborhood

Now, to some extent, I actually lied. Hacker culture is not dead. It's very prevalent in the >>>/diy/ world
And zoomers find necessity hacking in, for example, Roblox.
But also, even scamming/fraud/legal money "plays" is a form of "hacking".
Once again these are typically creative, divergent hyperactive faggots who prefer clever, creative high-variance plays over boring compounding such as getting a stable wageslave position like everyone else and relying entirely on it.
Money will always be a necessity with loopholes to exploit in a capitalist society so this type of "hacking" will always exist... But
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Anonymous No.106238371 >>106238596 >>106238680 >>106241929 >>106242359 >>106247610
>>106238338
But even in this field you will notice that the culture is dying because shit is becoming too easy. Infact this is a perfect case study of how hacker culture gets dulled by modern comfort and easy accessibility to stimulation and solutions.

Kids just want to know the "methods". They don't want to come up with their own scams, their own "hacks", like a true fraudster supposed to. They don't chase the high/stimulation of cleverly finding ways to take money from corporations and banks and bypassing shit.
And even if these kids begging for "methods" on Telegram mostly just get scammed because they are the "method", eventually they do find some "methods" because you are bound to on the internet, and get too lazy to truly come up with their own tricks.

The modern world dulls the creative spirit.
Problem-solving is not fostered in comfort. Problem-solving is truly fostered in necessity and survival. Especially with so-called "hacking". Because "hacking" is by nature impulsive. It's not a boring job you do because you have to. It's you being creatively lazy to the point you don't even seem to be lazy.
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Anonymous No.106238396 >>106238719
>>106238260
>work for the feds with great pay and benefits, or go to prison
Democracy is a sham. Isn't it?
Anonymous No.106238404 >>106238447
>>106237374 (OP)
Culture implies community. Where do you even go to find "hackers" nowadays? Everything has been corporatized to shit.
Anonymous No.106238447 >>106240514
>>106238404
makerspaces, college campuses when they do some nerd shit like walk around with a router in their manbag, retrocomputing nerd spaces, linking up with autists here, and a few will come in. Going to conventions.
Anonymous No.106238596 >>106239122
>>106238371
very well-written anon.
Anonymous No.106238680 >>106239122
>>106238317
>>106238338
>>106238371
As you described the 'hacking' culture for sheer necessity indeed died for sure. Back then most of the hackers used to fall in that segment. But there is another group of hackers. The guys who exploit out of sheer curiosity. Guys like Gary Mckinnon(the UFO hacker), Jonathan James did not bypass security out of necessity as you describe but they did it out of sheer curiosity for something else. The first group of hackers i understand that they are difficult to find in this ever expanding space of abundant necessary information and AI also makes things worse. But what about the second type of hackers. It shouldn't have been hard to find them more and more. The stimuli are everywhere.
Anonymous No.106238719 >>106238795
>>106238396
Uhhhh, don't break the law?
Anonymous No.106238795 >>106240657
>>106238719
Exposing a zogged out government and its activities of spying on its own citizens is not crime, you disgusting glownigger.
Anonymous No.106239122
>>106238596
Appreciate anon

>>106238680
Yes they are doing it by curiosity
But WHY are they doing it by curiosity?
Often simply because they seek stimulation
But this need for stimulation is easily satisfied in other ways in the modern world, which dulls the curious spirit in many kids who would have otherwise put more effort in getting stimulated in creative/curious ways
Curiosity does not exist in a vacuum. Normalfags often look at people who are extremely curious and think they are "just curious". Not realizing this shit is about purpose and well-being. I'm not curious "just because I'm curious". Exploring, creating, learning, etc... and satisfying said curiosity makes me "feel good", gives a sense of "purpose". It's in a sense a necessity because otherwise I will probably be so bored I would be "depressed".
Even right now it makes absolutely no sense for me to type all of these words on a Bangladeshi basket weaving 2channel clone forum discussion about hacker culture. Why am I doing this without any effort? It also comes down to stimulation.

Curiosity and survival are strongly linked. Humans are curious because being curious contributed to our survival
By being curious, exploring, navigating, etc... you find new ways to "survive and thrive". So curiosity naturally motivates people, it naturally "stimulate you" even when there isn't an inherent necessity, because it SHOULD(there is no way to anticipate finding a new "solution" in the wild). It's just more pronounced in some especially with impulsive hyperactive fags

Don't get me wrong it still exists today
But it's less common precisely because there are other ways to get stimulated for the kids
Some are very curious but they do not apply their curiosity, procrastinating on their own ideas and projects all the time because they can do so cheaply.
Had they been born in a world with less easily accessible stimulation they'd probably have no choice but to truly turn to the ideas in their heads to feel alive
Anonymous No.106239523
>Hacking died because of old hackers
No it died because hacking became harder and people had more things to do. When you are some rural kid who just got dial up internet and have nothing to do you can fuck around on the computer for a long time and learn how it works. Then for shits and giggles you just start fucking with other peoples services. Now that kid is playing fornite on starlink internet. He has no reason to spend the time learning how to hack and spending time developing or experimenting with his own exploits. The people who remain are people who are investing in the knowledge for career reasons and would have no reason to fuck themselves over by doing something illegal. Even the "real hackers" are in it for the money. Its just that hacker is some poor eastern European who uses hacking as a means to make do. Hacking is dead and entertainment killed it.
Anonymous No.106240279
I mean...
If you're deep into the shit why wouldn't you want to be the first to fuck around with 0days and other shit the Israelis are pumping out.
They've got all the backdoors.
It would be like a kid in a candy store.
Anonymous No.106240514 >>106240612
>>106238447
It feels like the internet itself was a hacker space ~20 years ago, when computers were still a niche hobby for nerds. I don't mean to paint it as some nerd utopia, it wasn't, but just being online was already a kind of filter, and a level of forward-thinking and open-mindedness, as well as at least a passing interest in technology, was kind of implied by just being there. In some sense, what killed hacker culture was what killed all other internet subcultures - the relentless onslaught of phoneposters.
Anonymous No.106240612
>>106240514
>Phoneposters
I think DHCP and not switching to IPV6 killed the internet. Once IPs began to run out and ISP realized they could charge a fee for a static IP it was over. It meant that if you wanted to host a hobby site you had to pay an extra 50 bucks each month for the privilege along with server cost and domain cost. This meant that if you weren't a business user you were pushed not to setup your own website because it became expensive.
Anonymous No.106240635
>>106238103
Anonymous No.106240657 >>106243099
>>106238795
>Exposing the secrets of the king isn't breaking the king's laws
Anonymous No.106241558
>hacker culture
uhhhh guyses theres no more anonymous (shhhh) haxing and coderingling anymores
Anonymous No.106241728
>>106237871
Linus Torvalds, despite he being a corporate bootlicker, still admires black chad hats and (I assume, giving his personality) quietly despises white wagie slave hats.
(this point is probably worth it's own thread, but who cares)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8&t=4204
Anonymous No.106241929
>>106238371
>Fraud is le good
Anonymous No.106242229 >>106242754
>>106237374 (OP)
> hacker culture
> dead
Just move to Germany and start HRT. The culture is pretty much alive over here OP.
Anonymous No.106242263
>wikileaks owner turned into a zigger
why are all of them turned into glowies? green and red?
Anonymous No.106242359
>>106238371
>true fraudster
No. Hacking is things oriented where as playing people is tricks and confidence ploys. Social engineeering and hacking are very different things. I do like most of your other points especially with the real world scenarios related to diy.
Anonymous No.106242412 >>106242736
>>106237374 (OP)
jeets have entire buildings dedicated to running scams and hacks. jeets are known the world over for scams and hacks. hacking always was a turdie thing and the people glorifying it are just low test males who did nothing early in tech and act like they did something naughty in the past with no real evidence
Anonymous No.106242736
>>106242412
>jeets have entire buildings dedicated to running scams and hacks.
Scamming is not hacking. Jeets are too incompetent to pull that off.
Anonymous No.106242754 >>106245254
>>106242229
they are all zogbots as well coc supported bullshit flavor of the month agenda.
Anonymous No.106242958
it sounds like hackers are either artists with a computer science degree or in organized crime/terrorism.
Anonymous No.106242996 >>106244807
>>106237871
Also they’re all Chinese
Anonymous No.106243044
>>106237374 (OP)
millennials pawned the avenues to create replacement young hackers away for social media and subscription video services

>>106238135
not very possible, my generation mates are addicted to screens and doped to resist the world going to shit by the hour and the barrier of entry was raised. old hackers could learn intuitively, they didn't have to face hardware attestation server-side checks or depend on a single ecosystem to literally live life. gen x and millennials had it on easy fucking mode, you never knew what a locked bootloader was.
Anonymous No.106243099
>>106240657
>>Exposing the secrets of the king
>King
So it's not a democracy then? Got it.
Anonymous No.106243248
There are 4 crucial reasons which led to the demise of hacker culture. First of all, commercialisation and putting a veil of influenza culture over the core culture destroyed the very foundation of hacker ethos. Now people were not doing it for out of curiosity. They were doing it simply for money and mentions. That ultimately led to the slopification of the field. Secondly, infosec. Many of the 'hackers' in 90s or early 2000s were actually zogbots which infiltrated genuine hacker groups only to put them in jail or to co-opt so that they can recruit new faces in the zogbot team. Thirdly, the newly recruits who were forced to join the zogbot made shit tremendously hard. As they already know where to find the zero days so that so that corpos can patch up quickly. Not only that those newly recruits of 90s and 2000s were crucial in advancing fields like cryptography. So it made shit a lot harder for next zoomer generation. And fourthly, politicisation of the filed. Hackers of 90s or even early 2000s were mostly apolitical and anarchists. The internet back then was pretty much the same. But that cringe stupid 'Anonymous' larper group shit things up. They were never really 'hackers' . Shutting down a server with bots and reading your cringe manifesto is not hacking.
Anonymous No.106243426
/g/ - Politically Incorrect with Computers
Anonymous No.106244807 >>106247704
>>106242996
>they're all chinese
oh? those insects that buy exploits off of darknet markets and then attempt to call themselves hackers and still get caught? yes, i know those losers. couldn't hack their way out of a wet paper bag. same deal with the russians and jews: have no skills, no talent, buy exploits from darknet markets, or in israel's case: backdoors and weaknesses supplied by the usa government on behalf of corporations, and then "Da. we is hackerman now". just an embarrassing state of affairs. so many talentless losers .
Anonymous No.106245254 >>106245293 >>106247416 >>106248055
>>106242754
Anon, you clearly haven't even been to a hackspace yet... I have never ever heard anyone there utter the word coc...
Anonymous No.106245293
>>106245254
Imagine the smell...

(I'm jocking, it looks like a fun place to hang out)
Anonymous No.106245438
The entire premise only made sense if you had assumed hackers were Robin Hoods and "working" in name of the underdog.
Turns out, that underdog is pretty retarded, so there's no point in doing that, it's futile.
And that isn't even meant to be insulting.

We are some "third" force between normies and elites, the (actual, lol) "expert" force, i.e. the segment of people highly-skilled, and they need us, too, which gives us some leverage.
But for what?
Honestly, the only thing I can see going for hacker culture nowadays, is just to preserve and make sure tech remains accessible to all those, who need it, i.e. hackers for hackers.

Which is basically cope that the retards and elites are blowing everything up, if only involuntarily, because they just are such retards.
It's neither the bad nor the good ending, it's just the absurd, clown-world ending, ffs.

Maybe we (all) just needed to realize that first.
The elites need a neutral party to tell the retards, that they are in fact retarded,
the retards need someone to tell the elites, that they really can be fucking asshats.
In either case, go fuck yourselves, all of you.
Anonymous No.106247123 >>106248288
>>106237871
>hacker "culture" is real, but has no social aspect
great jeetmutt insights there lol
Anonymous No.106247416
>>106245254
obviously I meant ccc and yes they are zogbots blissfully unaware for whom or what they shill.
Anonymous No.106247439
>>106237374 (OP)
>captain goymerica comicshit prop
irredeemably gay faggot kek
Anonymous No.106247444
>>106237374 (OP)
deh gubbermint recrooted deh haxxorz
Anonymous No.106247610
>>106238371
Anonymous No.106247704 >>106248288
>>106244807
>t. LARPfag
Anonymous No.106247985
>>106238260
that happened to my ex and also to my friend's little bro. they basically used my ex to discredit white nationalism and it worked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bugK9xEbl9c
Anonymous No.106248055 >>106248127
>>106245254
"hackerspaces" are glorified places to borrow a 3d printer. those are geeks who go to that not nerds. nerds are the real hackers. geeks are just asocial dweebs who didn't fit in and adopted nerd aesthetic but with no substance to it.
Anonymous No.106248127
>>106248055
>nerds are the real hackers. geeks are just asocial dweebs who didn't fit in and adopted nerd aesthetic but with no substance to it.

based
Anonymous No.106248175
>>106237374 (OP)
>'hacker culture'

As mentioned, you'll have to define "hacker" because it has more than one meaning today.

Up to, say, 1985 or 1990, a hacker was more or less a really, really good, massively skillful, passionate programmer, with tons of knowledge.

Then the term shifted, as mentioned below, it became a term associated with breaking through systems.

>>106238317
>The association of the term with "cracking" or specifically security, as ironically displayed by that very post.

Indeed this was significant.

However I don't think hacker culture has waned. It always was a niche group, a small group of the top, top people.

In the last 20 years tons, millions of people have went into technology, perhaps learnt "coding", however they are people with superficial knowledge. The amount of people with potential to get into hacker culture is still a very small percentage of the people into "technology" or "software" topics.
Anonymous No.106248288
>>106247704
>>106247123
hi, i'm adrian lamo. i was a 1337 haxror until i got busted and turned into an fbi snitch. i sold out bradley manning to the united states government because i had been an fbi informer for years and didn't want to go back to jail. i was referred to as "agent lamo" in court documents. my best buddy kevin poulsen wrote about it. here i am with another rat ..i mean my buddy kevin mitnick. we're dead now. poulsen is still alive but he'll be joining us in hell without a shadow of a doubt.