Thread 106239200

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• Simgot EA500LM (V-shape) - $70
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• Tempotec Variations V1 - $130
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106219747

Techs lost.

>>106239197
>...pos are minimum phase so they reproduce the signal aka MIX perfectly.
this is the dogma we need to avoid.

>>106239281
Post a non minimum phase pos. I checked mine. It's minimum phase.

>>106239281
how the fuck is it a dogma

>>106239224
the question should be can you EQ a bad sounding headphone to sound like a good one (the short answer is no)

>>106239317
You specifically are not able to do this. I of course can.

>>106239224
h*****s l*w

>>106239325
well there's also a long answer

>>106239400
The long answer is yes.

>>106239250
You're (hopefully) hearing the mix through your eardrums. What exactly is pos changing about that?

>>106239317
the real question is can you EQ the average masterslop to sound normal and good

>>106239416
Which begs the question. There are pos that bypass the ear canal to produce some bands of sound. Would be a slam dunk case of "hear but can't measure" but they were not even once mentioned in the discussion. Are techzos just... uneducated?

>>106239294
not once should anybody sit there and think about that term when enjoying their pos. so there ya go.
>>106239317
this is the whole point, really. so much cope with eq devotees
>>106239416
some replay imaging better or worse than others. this is why you hear some pos have a narrow or short or tall soundstage. imaging is where something is at in the soundstage.

>>106239623
>this is the whole point, really. so much cope with eq devotees
is it tho? you still need EQ even with good headphones

>>106239623
>not once should anybody sit there and think about that term when enjoying their pos.
So you don't know any pos that isn't minimum phase, okay.

>>106239623
>some replay imaging better or worse than others.
Which part of pos plays imaging?

>>106239623
>some replay imaging better or worse than others
what if they replay imaging perfectly but one put into the mix does not match your HRTF?
And what if pos replays it poorly but actually makes it match your HRTF via sheer luck?

>>106239623
Your head ears and brain are different from person's who made a mix. Why do you think localization cues he put in will be in any way useful for your unique head and ears?

>>106239641
Which again would be a slam dunk case if he had any idea what is inside pos.

>>106239640
Let's not go as far as assuming there are good headphones. Have you even heard the treble on those things?

Perfect for testing soundstage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqFkguq89YU

>>106239652
>via sheer luck
luck and hypotheticals hitting your hrtfs is a waste of time. recording audio can't be done with 'what ifs' if the goal is to ensure it sounds good across the consumer markets general usage. that's why the loudness war happened. at that point recording audio has long been solved, but at the height of the ipod, mastering tracks as close to or at clipping was the norm. yet people still spend top dollar on hi-fi tracks, because why?
>>106239674
an experienced mixing engineer knows the frequencies he's working with. he knows how to deal with vocals with different mics he uses to record them with and they monitors he uses are neutral reference monitors. that's called industry standard.

>>106239740
Are we posting our fav troon tunes?
https://youtu.be/B20w52a_hmo?si=0civxv6EcgCYtuHD

>>106239200 (OP)
>• Simgot EA500LM (V-shape) - $70
>(V-shape)
more like (Tinnitus)

>>106239855
Not if you buy it used and pre-clogged from your pagpag dealer.

>>106239696
true

>>106239816
>luck and hypotheticals hitting your hrtfs is a waste of time. recording audio can't be done with 'what ifs' if the goal is to ensure it sounds good across the consumer markets general usage. that's why the loudness war happened. at that point recording audio has long been solved, but at the height of the ipod, mastering tracks as close to or at clipping was the norm. yet people still spend top dollar on hi-fi tracks, because why?
this does not answer the question tho

>>106239816
>an experienced mixing engineer knows the frequencies he's working with. he knows how to deal with vocals with different mics he uses to record them with and they monitors he uses are neutral reference monitors. that's called industry standard.
he's tuning it for his own hearing. you are ignoring the main point.

I've come to the conclusion that I hate sub-bass

>>106239949
he's not 'tuning' or mixing for his own hearing, he's using his experience mixing other recordings in varying settings and methods. he's got other engineers like mastering engineers to work with, as well as producers of the recording, the artists, all those ears have to agree as well as take into consideration consumer's ears.

>>106240003
another HRT victim

>>106239984
>relevant enough to be measured on their rig, by them.
>no measurement of edc pro exists by them

>>106240008
and if none of the shit they put in matches how your brain recognize localization cues?

>>106240108
>none of the shit comprising the audio matches how your brain recognizes localization cues.
true, because no audio recording engineer, mixing, mastering or otherwise, ever thinks about FR during their professional processes

>>106240165
or HRTFS for that matter. at all.

>>106240023
sub bass is the most zoomer tranny frequency. The most tasteful? Upper mids.

All pos are minimum phase, which means they reproduce the signal perfectly - meaning INFINITE techs. INFINITE. Only tonality matters, so you can make details more or less apparent in chosen frequencies, using EQ.
That is, only if your pos is 1DD, like EDC Pro.

>>106240212
>All pos are minimum phase
Except the pos that aren't minimum phase which techzos don't know about because they don't even know what minimum phase means.

>>106240165
point is no matter how they'll try to imitate positional cues it is pointless because they will not match your own unique individual positional cues
that's why IEMs and headphones do not have real soundstage. Because localization is simply not there.
It can be emulated with head tracking (or poorly with just EQ and app) but that's pretty much it.

>>106240212
nah any pos will suffice

>>106240240
Multi-driver pos are sinners, while hybrids are the actual Antichrist. Only 1DDs are pure. Free from phase issues and driver-specific distortion.

>>106240003
Just be less old.

>>106240232
>>106240165
>>106240172

>>106239651
The part with an image(faceplate).

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106240282
there's no point in thinking about FR or HRTF during mixing

>>106240319
Because it's Simgot EA500LM on a budget. 50% techs for 50% of the price is a great deal.

>>106240343
proof?

>>106240335
Yeah, you should be thinking about the thing that changes the mix between different IEMs.

>>106239829
Yes.
https://soundcloud.com/break64bit/temper-tantrum

>>106240343
not the same.

Tech Believers, rise up

>>106241170
total techschud victory

how to eq techs

Why isn't it improving the techs?

FR is everything... wait... *FR at the eardrum... wait... measuring at the eardrum isn't feasible... uh oh!

>>106241662
everything is whether it sounds comfy in my personal opinion

>>106240422
he said it sounds 50% as good as the lm, which is true

>>106241610
I read the entire thing and still can't eq my sigmadelta to r2r

>>106241997
>sourcefags can't read a title

>>106241997
you're lying, you didn't read it because nobody has ever read it and nobody will ever read it

>>106242041
I enjoy reading worthless documents, I'm a historyfag after all

>>106239651
>>106240293
kek

Is it possible to EQ a Waner SG into a Waner SG2? It'd be cheaper to download more audio quality than to buy a new IEM.

>>106242867
yes, read the eq guide

>>106242867
you can't eq comfort or normal 2pin

Thoughts on the Moondrop Rays?
Worth it over the May?

>>106243379
just look at that faceplate man, you tell us

i'm getting ground loop noise and i've tracked it down to being my usb dac picking it up from my pc.
what else should i try before i get one of those usb ground loop isolator things? they lower sound quality so i would like to avoid them.
my chain looks like pc -> usb powered dac -> unbalanced rca -> av receiver -> headphones + speakers
everything's plugged into the same wall plug. ground loop noise goes away if i plug the dac into a different device like my laptop or phone. everything's on the same plug.
would conditioning my pc's power or getting a better power strip do anything? if not what's the best way forward for a poorfaggot?
used dac on ebay/reverb with discrete power?
upgrade entire chain to balanced/xlr?
usb ground loop isolator, which will fix it but introduce sound quality loss from parasitic capacitance?


are the surge protectors from home depot good enough or should i try a better one and if so where can i get info on that? would a ground loop isolator on the pc's power be likely to do anything?
if not... would the best solution be a dac with discrete power that doesn't power from usb? upgrading my entire chain to xlr? or do i suck it up and get a usb ground loop isolator (it would fix my issue but lower audio quality.) how cheap can i get a good enough dac that uses discrete power used on reverb/ebay?

>>106244189
ignore the shit at the end i'm high off my ass and forgot to backspace

also i'm eventually going to get an electrician to come out and split my bedroom and the other upstairs bedroom in my house onto their own lines. think it'd be worth it to have them run a dedicated line from the breaker with its own wall plug to have one dedicated to my audio shit if i have a lot of noisy electronics in my room? i can't imagine it costing more than a hundo or two extra if they're already running another line to the same area and tearing the walls out.

>>106244189
USB isolators won't have any sound quality loss. It's digital signal. It's analog isolators that act like a high pass filter.

>>106244189
Also can't you just connect to your receiver via toslink?

>>106243379
if all the gaming shit and webapp is important for you maybe, if not probably no

>>106244253
receiver has toslink dac doesn't so i would need a new dac.

>>106244243
amir says they do i read the post last night but couldn't find it again, its somewhere in the replies for his jds neutron review. either way it looks like the quality loss is minimal as long as i get a non shit one and they all cost the same anyways.

like really i guess i'm asking would it be wiser to just get a used dac that supports toslink, balanced and/or discrete power if i'm gonna spend $50 on a dongler anyways and i'm not afraid of used goods on reverb?
i know dacs are snake oil all non garbage ones sound the same.

>>106244325
I think it's worth getting a toslink DAC. It will also support bullshit home cinema audio formats if you're going to pursue surround audio in the future. And if you're connecting to the AVR via RCA it probably digitizes the signal.

TOTLzo, please save this thread from EQ Guide retards! We need your reviews on cables and how they make pos sound better!

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106245521
Cutting edge techs.

>>106245521
This isnt factual

>>106245587
that's q1 pro not g10

>>106245627
literally same pos

>>106245632
no

>>106245665
yes

>>106245716
G10 costs more so it has more techs.

>>106245737
they cost the same

>>106245716
Glad I never picked that shit, fucking nobass treblecannons, iems should be made to eq bass down and treble up

>>106245817
>iems should be made to eq bass down and treble up
any IEMs like that?

>>106245817
>fucking nobass treblecannons,
nigger spotted

>>106245855
I'd call you a woman, but thats something you certainly are not

>>106245864
rare frog W
also funny how nobody noticed yet that q1 pro has been replaced by EA500LM in the OP

>>106245930
because literally nobody cares lol it is funny tho I guess

>>106245817
>should be made to eq bass down and treble up
Literally no difference from eqing bass up and and treble down.

>>106245991
Uhh no?

>>106245991
eqing treble down is annoying as fuck

>>106246061
>>106246108
>can't flipping a sign in the shelf filter
What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

>>106246138
*flip the sign

>>106246138
You lose headroom if you need to EQ bass up dude bro man

>>106246138
in my experience it's never enough bright POS aren't exactly most smoothly tuned in treble

>>106246192
No such thing as headroom. Driver will clip from the absolute volume whether you boosted, decreased or did nothing. You could boost the bass by 50dB and if you're listening at 60dB nothing will happen.
>>106246194
Every pos has length modes, they need fixing regardless of the overall treble level.

>>106246245
Cope troon

>>106246245
>Every pos has length modes, they need fixing regardless of the overall treble level.
I'm not talking about length modes

>>106246245
headroom exists? negative pregain is exactly what you use to compensate for eq adjustments, especially adding nigger bass. whole point is to avoid clipping.

>>106246259
Nothing prevents bright pos from having smooth treble, see annihilator. If you decrease treble but it's still bright that's length modes. I assume you're aware 5kHz also changes from the insertion depth.
>>106246426
Treble boost will need just as much digital headroom as bass boost, hence >>106245991

It is a common misconception that if something is tuned to have more bass then it can play that bass well. Only the max SPL before clipping matters. BAs will never play bass better than DDs no matter how you tune them.

>>106246490
BAs can't take bass gain well at all

>>106246567
If you stack multiple BAs to achieve stock tuning with more bass, and then reduce it with EQ, it will still sound like shit.

>>106246448
>see annihilator
okay let's see
hmmm
looks like ass

>>106246650
Will sound smooth in real life. The entire problem region is masked by boosted lower and upper treble.

>>106246650
$2700 for that deep of a tranny tuck...noty

>>106246709
>Will sound smooth in real life
or not
you never know

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

Someone check on the epz bot, it's posting the same crap twice in one thread.

>>106247920
It just works.

>>106247920
not twice but three times, and no, I'm not a bot, I'm just bored

>>106247920
hes been doing this a lot, lil bro is desperate for (you)s

>>106248360
>>106247920
haters gonna hate

For today's rotation:
>Bnuuy
>EM6L
>Hype 2

>>106248180
Same desu. The best news I've heard recently was some new Rockbox ports: Innioasis Y1 and Anbernic RG nano, the latter specifically. RG nano supports stereo audio thru usb-c dongle so you can plug any one of your fav clean source instead of being constrained to the hardware's. I ordered one and it should be coming in this afternoon.

>rockbox troons are so desperate they're using chinky game consoles now
if only pissbox were ported to actually good hardware

>Anbernic RG nano
>2.5 hour battery life
What the absolute fuck.

>>106248518
No one is stopping you from porting it onto "actually good hardware," chuddy
>>106248532
Cross my fingers that with keeping the screen off and running a dac/amp that doesn't need to draw power from the rg nano to function can extend that. It's not a massive deal breaker as I listen to what? 2-3 albums or so a day? I do plan to use PEQ though so we'll just see.

>>106248532
It's that small, there's not much room for a battery even with LiPo. Got mine from Ali for $20

>>106248708
i dont give a fuck about pissbox and the shit hardware that runs it why would i spend time porting it to anything

Please don't be jelly! IEMs just can't compete

>>106249199
So you're just complaining for the sake of complaining. Okay weirdo.

>>106249219
wow they're all worse and more expensive than T50RP and HE-R9

OP, like the gullible retarded faggot he is, added this chink fucking scam to the OP before we got ANY user feedback. Can you say "fell for it again"?

>>106249288
idk anything about daps but I gifted someone picrel while it was on sale

>>106249345
Cute

>>106249288
>OP
It's not a single person.. There are 4 different bakers, and the last one is trolling with Simgot EA500LM. Someone put them there, and no one bothered to remove them yet. Also, it's not like they can foresee the future of things happening out of the blue. Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 has noise and wheel issues too. You should expect to be chink'd at that price.

get Sennheiser ie200 now or save for hd620s?

headpos lawal sopdaed

>>106249626
>ie200
horrible, the only reason to get this is for the shell shape, and you can get ie600 clones made of metal for $30
>hd620
why would you ever get this

>>106249626
IE200 is a meme

>>106241570
you want to EQ it at your eardrum, not the coupler's mic

>>106245567
based foxzo

>>106250133
lemme grab a probe mic, wait... there's no bass now due to leakage!

>>106249399
the early-to-mid 2024 bakerzo was the best one we had

KZ Castor Bass are pretty neat

>>106250285
aka you... fag

>>106248708 (me)
Rg Nano may be more promising than I thought?? 7 hours of battery life is wonderful, though I don't know what dac/amp this user runs. That backlight bug is going to be annoying though.

>>106250392
it doesnt even have a headphone jack idiot
imagine buying a dap and being forced to donglecuck anyways

>>106250413
this.
bro getting excited over a fucking $20 tamagachi with 2 hours battery life without even a 3.5mm jack

>>106239200 (OP)
is it possible to have Bluetooth earphones that feel like Blue Vido (flathead earbuds) ?

I have Blue Vido and they suit me, I'm fine with buying a USB-C DAC for them if there's no bluetooth equivalent.

Most earphones i find uncomfortable. I've spent many years using sony mdr-e9lp or Blue Vido, all other shapes dont suit me.

>>106250413
That's a positive? There's seldom daps on the market that measure better than an apple dongle. Why would I want to be constrained to one possibly mediocre source instead? The flip-floppery of this general is baffling. One minute it's "omg Surfans/H2 is noisy and your iems will pick up the noise don't buy," then it's "omg why would you want a player that you can plug your own source into?" Bunch of midwits I swear.

>>106250611
use your phone idiot, carrying around a gay little incel brick with a dongle is unbelievably retarded

>>106250543
>>106250413
It's a $20 Tamagochi that runs Linux and has usb. If this doesn't interest you then go back to /r/headphones

>>106250621
My phone doesn't support Rockbox though.

>>106250691
rockbox is pure ass

New Moondrop Products! =OO

>>106250704
I don't get it are you trying to gaslight me? I've been using Rockbox for almost 3 years and absolutely adore it.

>>106250899
its objectively inferior to most android and desktop players
only 10 bands of peq, no channel specific peq, no library auto syncing over wifi, slow, looks ugly, etc
worst part is all hardware running rockbox is irredeemable garbage
fun novelty but for actual listening i'll take anything else

>>106250849
we'd be excited... back in 2023

>>106250849
more like recycling

>>106250849
A new Moondrop product? Must be a day ending in Y.

Our Queen's music, no longer available.

>>106251053
>>106251082
TL:DR on what happened to Moondrop?
It wasn't too long ago where everyone was shilling almost all of their products. What changed?

>>106251224
they did a bunch of shitty cringicle collabs and chuzo started shitting up the general which lead to backlash

can i get a rec for wireless earbuds under £50? i got the samsung galaxy buds fe but they do this weird disconnecting thing (https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxybuds/comments/187x1uh/new_galaxy_buds_fe_a_few_times_per_day_will/ (reddit, but only report of it ive found) so im returning them

>>106251224
Moondrop became popular because they were the first to bring good competent tuning to an affordable price, while also delivering what were, at the time, well built products.
Fast forward to now, and every player in the game is performing similarly well. Decent tunings, well built IEMs are a dime a dozen, and as a result the flaws in Moondrop products become more apparent: condensation/clogging, paint chipping, etc.
A part of it is due to Moondrop's popularity (hence more reports and complaints).

>gazette not updated
>shopping guide last updated a month and a half ago
>eq guide...no on reads that shit
it's OVER

>>106251243
nothing in this general affects the actual iem community

>>106251243
nvfagnvke.jpg
>>106251396
no shit, we're like 15 retards, a couple on headfi and reddit, and no one talks about this place
it's a good thing, keep everything in op to ourselves before dumbfuck audiophools create another shitstorm

>>106251324
this + moondorp started making actually worse products than before, besides it leans more and more towards making twshit after huge success of space travel and big success of robin

>>106251224
moondrop solved IEMs with dusk but then when suddenly crin wasn't there to tell them what to do they started to shit out overpriced garbage

>>106251396
well obviously because everybody else still sucks off moondrop

>>106251480
>solved IEMs with dusk
>EQ
uuuh techbros???

>>106251437
they pivoted to twshit and headpos, their products are still the same dubious (average for chinkshit) quality
remember blessing 2 faceplates falling off? lol

>>106251480
>Two Dynamic Drivers + Two Balanced Armatures + Two Planar'
>solved
yeah right. moondrop has their own proprietary tuning, VDSF. they'll push that in their iems indefinitely until they simply update it.

>>106251580
VDSF sucks tho

>>106251224
They couldn't cook up anything better than Variations in the last.... urghhh... 4 years since 2021?
The only IEM of comparable quality they released was Meteor which is more of a sidegrade rather than a successor or an upgrade and doesn't adress the 1.5Khz bump issue in any way.
In the meantime they decided to spend their reputation credit by releasing a lot of consumer slop products like Jokers, Discdream, 1974s and so on.

>>106251557
para 2 is pretty good actually

>>106251587
I'm agreeing with you lol

>moondrop b2 with custom averi engraving
i shudder at the thought of it

>>106251596
variations was worse than b2, ests are shit
>>106251600
true their headpos are decent for headpos. whatever happened to the estat they announced like 4 years ago?

>>106251600
I demoed it and it was acceptable but totally unimpressive
At 500$ they are pricing it is absolutely not competetive in any way
>>106251622
b2 has better overall tonality to my taste but treble performance is lacking vs variations

truthqueer still hasn't released any of their promised products lmao

>>106251636
treble is the worst part about variations because sonion ests ruin everything they touch

The SuperMix 4 was my first and last IEMs.

>>106251822
sm4 are pretty good

tfw listening to vinyl rips from tonepoet.fans on my K11 R2R, TA-66 and Tangzu Waners

Fuck the EU for cucking the non-mutt Apple dongle

>>106252094
android 16 fixed the nerf

Any hipster faggots here use casettes?

>>106252071
definition of low-fi

>>106252071
waners are too hires for this setup

>>106240212
>Only tonality matters, so you can make details more or less apparent in chosen frequencies, using EQ.
>That is, only if your pos is 1DD, like EDC Pro.
Why are all the expensive and highly praised IEMs made with multiple drivers then? DDs only seem good for low frequencies. For mids and highs you need to use BAs, Planars, EZTs or ESTs

ISN H20 on the way. Can't wait.

>>106252977
i guess audiophools love undamped peaky treble seeing how a $70 pos is still adopting the same tuning as old $20 kz pos

>>106252977
bro why is your pos got the Lisa Simpson's hairstyle...

>>106251657
>treble is the worst part about variations because sonion ests ruin everything they touch
What do you think about Sonion BAs for mid frequencies? Something I wanna buy has that

>>106253028
From what I hear this pos is supposed to be incredible. Let's see if that turns out to be true.
>>106253038
It's supposed to make your songs sound like from an old car stereo.

>>106253057
bas are bas, some brands are more reliable but they all have the same coloration.

>>106253057
you guys have to stop driver memeing unironically, this is pathetic

Is the Jcally JM20 still the best budget dongle?

Will I get better sound from a DAC+amp vs plugging it into my phone's headphone jack?

>>106252132
Holy
Is there any reason to buy anything else now?

>>106253132
>you guys have to stop discussing stuff in a discussion board
No, and ywnbaw

>>106253284
>tech board
>let's discuss about auditory hallucinations but masked as driver types
you will never achieve endgame

>>106253264
DSP

>>106253264
EU apple dongle still has halved output while android in general removes another half
Still won't be a problem, but you are not getting the full sexy output of the NApple Dongle.

im new to this general. is this just the low testosterone version of /hpg/?

>>106253347
it's the cringe shitstorm schizo containment general
just read the three guides/links in op

>>106253175

well dac+amp does not use your earpieces as antenna

>>106253175
yes

>>106253139
no

>>106253175
>my phone's headphone jack
unc lives in 2015

>>106253362
What do you mean? Plugging it into the headphone jack blasts me with additional electromagnetic radiation?

>>106253365
I mean if I can't hear any static noise thru the headphone jack

>>106253544
No I just have a Motorola G34. Using a dongle is so annoying tho. But I will if it truly improves sound quality.

>>106253575
don't have a pos over $300? don't bother. you're not sunk cost and audiotarded enough.

>>106253564
tech bros will be on your side if you get a bt dongle, don't worry

>>106254503
Hence why new generation Tanchjim products come with nozzles, tuning switches, and DSP cables!
See our Fission, widely praised by everyone. Comes in rose gold and black, pick the one you prefer!

New song incoming!
Experience the wonders of the Lost Manor, and discover the origins of Asano and her journey to becoming our Queen!

>>106253357
wouldn't it make sense to spend money on weights, zinc, eggs and dates with your girlfriend instead of more IEMs

And the end, placebo is all!!

>>106255224
great band

How do I know whats the right replacement cable for my BLON X HBB Z300? The new cables I bought, they work just fine but they always physically disconnect from the in-ear nonitors

>>106256039
how about use the stock one

Are spring tips the only tipn that kills treble resonance? Them niggas are pretty expensive and eventually break (as per moondrop), but they sound good

>>106256168
do they? are there proper measurements that show they kill treble resonances?

FUCK my pre-nerf CCA CRA's just broke.

>>106256247
don't you have like 20

>>106256253
i wish, i didn't know those niggers would stealth nerf things back then.

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106256226
Probably, im not spoonfeeding you, but also I ASKED if someone has any alternative to them that is cheaper


Kill yourself troon, never a woman

>>106256272
wtf is this reaction? are you mentally ill?

>>106256168
My favs are Final Type E, but they tame treble maybe even too much and are quite expenisve. I still have them from pre-covid so they probably last forever.
Sancais wide bore also work very well for me

>>106256272
kek u owned that bitch

>>106256363
Feel free to kill yourself over it

>>106256371
>final E
These seem like a good alternative, maybe I'll get em, tho I'd prefer if they had the sticky silicone feel of spring tips

>>106256272
>Probably
Probably not.
>I ASKED if someone has any alternative to them that is cheaper
EQ(free).

>>106256488
Theres a bunch of measurements, I just dont care about third world transexuals with no purchasing power

>>106250195
>>106241570
"I trust my ears" sistas when they have to do something something by ear:

>the resident trans schizo will pick any and all fights and turn the simplest of requests into shitflinging
Activate the troon mass suicide protocol

troons btfo

>>106250301
Only rat sloppa I tolerate work best with foam tips

>>106256809
Is there a better version of this pos? For like $200 or something. KZ Castor Black/Bass that is.

>>106251636
>I demoed it and it was acceptable but totally unimpressive
no without EQ and a bunch of pads to change they are pretty worthless but driver is good so it's a nice platform for EQ. Moondrop needed to be a bit less retarded with them and it'll be top tier planars

>>106256256
It’s genuinely obsoleted by new POS like KZ Gale and EDX Pro 2 now get one of those.

>>106256533
he mostly talks to himself, hence all the samefagging. it's a real mental breakdown we're seeing. he is also ESL, 1000%

>>106256527
as if your hearing has enough resolution to get the peaks and dips to match 1:1 lmaooo
not even eqzo with the power of REW's AutoEQ could match it 1:1 in the myths & misconceptions

>>106257314
This all circles back to why not just get the OG Paras instead.

So far it works well, but it's true that the screen doesn't turn off despite me selecting the option for it to shut off after 15s of inactivity. Cross my fingers this can be fixed. Haven't had any issues with connecting my own source; It's simply plug and play.

>>106259438
good taste

>doesnt play games
whats the point

>>106241570
it's pointless to EQ one POS to another

>>106259438
MY LIFE IS LIKE A VIDEO GAME

>>106258587
Making them graph the same? Easy with convolver.
Making them sound the same? Only possible if you own both.
Making chu 2 sound better than storm? It already sounds better :^)

>>106252071
BASED

>>106260622
ok but can you convolve the cavernous soundstage from the fucked up crossover point at 7.5 khz?
that's what i thought

>>106260764
soundstage is not in fr.

>>106260787
it's in the massive uncomfortable iem shells, completely forgot that

eqzo...did it...

Audiophiles don't want to know this but
1) Just because something is different doesn't mean you hear it.
2) Just because you hear it doesn't mean something is different.

er2se still peak

enjoy da muzik

>>106259438
bejzd ylt

>>106260926
Only real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlwfDIf8e3Q

Poor Etybro I think he just suffered from a stroke

>>106261073
yeah, that is not only real music but also fire
>>106261139
"based"
"yo la tengo"

it's called media literacy pal

why do planars eq harder than dds?

i didn't realize we still had shittymotic niggers, thought they all killed themselves after their indian overlord switched to a new pos

>>106261233
>eq harder
first time i've ever heard this string of words surprisingly enough

>>106261245
planars have different resonances, impulse response and damping compared to dds so does that not affect eq behavior?

>>106261244
>I didn't realized we still having eq niggers, thought they all killing themself when indian overlord switch to peqdb
ok tubby

>>106261342
>he thinks im one of the eqzos
its so over for identificationzos

>>106261321
>planars have different resonances
seen in FR, can be EQ'd
>impulse response
FR = IR
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/myths-misconceptions/#more-than-frequency-response
>damping
damping is used to shape FR. damping = energy dissipation == reducing level in FR
>so does that not affect eq behavior?
most of the things you mentioned are related to FR, which EQ affects.

>>106261321
>planars have different FR
No shit.

what's the latest meme? I'm stuck in the tin t2 era, surely there's better by now

>>106261376
>>106261385
you are ignoring time-domain behavior, non minimum phase effects

>>106261396
latest meme is either spending $$$$ on boutique shit kilopos with thick unwieldy cables and desktop stack, or using up your monthly salary on a $5 pos and using eq
no in between

>>106261396
IEMs were solved by fox IEM.

>>106261396
Etymotic ER2XR/SE stood the test of time. :)

>>106261419
see https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/myths-misconceptions/#more-than-frequency-response
transducers of any kind are inherently minimum phase, anything you see in the time domain (impulse response) is correlated to the frequency domain (FR)
and no, I do not care about crossovers.

>>106261419
You are imagining non-minimum phase effects where they don't exist. There are only two things inside IEMs that can make them non minimum phase and they are not the driver.

>>106261225
I'm not your pal, guy

>>106261446
see https://rohsa.gitlab.io/articles/factors-other-than-frequency-response/

"Summary
I put them in a graph, as you can see the frequency response measured by a measurement rig is very poorly, and it probably "contributes" to the sound you heard mentally. Some people claim you can get the personal frequency response that competely matched to your HRTF by put a very small mic inside your ear, that still not true because it only measures pressure at a place "closed" to eardum which ignored what internal ear actually received, and the mic itself will change frequency response, the wire will break the seal which also change frequency response, you will probably never saw an graph that actually matched to your ear. Also some people claim Headphone and IEM are "Minimum Phase Device" so only frequency response matter, first it's not proven by measured brain neural signals, second they will never show you a graph that actually represents everything to a human. You should know data is just data, you better trust your ear and decide which gear you want to get by giving them a demo."
you can cite the gazette and eq guide written by a noname fuck with no creds all you like, but psychoacoustics is not 'imagining things'. jm-1=psychoacoustic target. ief neutral=psychoacoustic target. harman=psychoacoustic target.

>>106252949
it's not that DDs are bad for anything other than bass, in fact a lot of 1DD pos has excellent mids for example - it's just that more drivers means more possibilities to hit the target you have in mind
but there is another way to do it without EQ, but it requires very high precision and great quality control, it's using resonators in the shell to boost or attenuate chosen frequencies by a chosen amount
of course there's also EQ

>>106261504
Oh yeha? I'm not your partner, gay.

>>106261536
rohsa is also a literal nobody that does not show any data
we are not talking about in-situ measurements, psychoacoustics, or accuracy of graphs, we are talking about mathematical relationships between two domains for the same transfer function.

>>106261536
>first it's not proven by measured brain neural signals
It's proven by measured driver signals.
>second they will never show you a graph that actually represents everything to a human
The color of an IEM influences how you hear an IEM. Do you want a graph of that?

>>106261420
once again we're in the worse timeline

>>106261425
I don't think you have my best interests at heart

>>106261442
looks good but it's not on aliexpress which makes me very upset and confused

>>106261536
Everything addressed in the EQ guide. You wasted so much time looking up pre-debunked links it's insane.

At least Chuzo was, for the most part, always on topic

>>106261662
Chuzo was a cool guy.

>>106261539
it's also good crossover implementation
>>106261575
>irrelevant
rosha has a name. anons don't. and the article is about non-FR factors. I suggest you read it and possibly have a conversation instead of providing nothing, dismissing everything and especially, ignoring human perception.
>>106261627
eq guide is written by a nobody with no creds to back his publication. and you worship it.

>>106261425
i was considering getting a pair with my waifu on it but they ask an extra fee of 45 bucks on top of the 35 that the pos alrdy costs
thats just too much for something so little lol

>>106261744
You don't need eq guide to know pos is minimum phase. You just need basic literacy.

>>106261744
crossover is what makes multi-driver pos fundamentally worse than single-driver ones, a necessary evil, which has to have good implementation to get fairly close to single-driver pos which doesn't need crossover at all

>>106261744
>rosha has a name
if you base something's credibility purely on whether or not it has a name, you are beyond saving
rohsa is an ESL idiot who doesn't take the time to even test his assumption of minimum phase behavior.
he does the usual audiophile bullshit you see with cables and sources, he presents seemingly valid points for different aspects but never shows the data that proves that these are not correlated to other things or that these are actually audible
eq guide goes through the effort of showing you the impulse and frequency responses and there is nothing to be seen. if you understood the mathematics behind it we wouldn't need an eq guide, but here we are

This post was provided to you by the REW gang.

>pos is minimum-phase
>crossover point is not minimum-phase
explain that

>>106261890
All pos is minimum phase except the pos that isn't minimum phase. Gptzo doesn't know how to tell which pos is which.

>>106261880
please use burst, fourier is so cvrsed
>>106261890
does not matter for audibility
if it's a peak you can still eq it

>>106261768
You can thank Trump for that.

I won't touch pos which has less bass than 12dB above ear gain with a ten foot pole.

>>106261799
turn that into an actual rebut without reducing everything down to that, if you can.
>>106261853
1DDs need good implementation just like anything else, too, though.

>>106261913
How do I do burst decay in REW, erin's using audio precision.

>>106261918
doesnt seem to affect any of the other chink iems

>>106261932
control > mode (fourier to burst decay kino)
NEVER use spectrogram, we need curves on the curve

>>106261920
>turn that into an actual rebut without reducing everything down to that, if you can.
It's just a fact. Nothing is being reduced here. It's like asking to prove parallel lines are parallel. They just are. If they weren't you would see it.

She's here. No hissing or popping at all. Unexpected to say the least.

>>106261880
looks like they gave up at 10k which makes sense because you can't eq high frequency techs in a DD

>>106262012
Wife techs strong.
>>106261768
>thats just too much for something so little lol
The appearance is the only thing that matters, the sound quality is free.

>finally decided to just buy a pair
>arrives in the mail
>cable is too short for my desktop

Fiio KA15 with Cirrus IMD issues finally fixed is an excellent dongle for the price

>>106261956
Look, I understand the difference, but for the retards I would like some more striking visuals like this. In REW it just looks too similar to the waterfall. Maybe change the angle to top down?

Has anyone else mogged snake oil audopedophiles as hard as him?

>>106262124
Too big.

>>106262207
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>>106262208
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>>106261968
I don't hear with my eyes. that's your problem.

>>106262212
fuck u stupid bitch

>>106262226
>I don't hear
Tragic. Many such cases.

>>106262215
Real thread.

>>106262245
Techs lost.

>>106262149
go into spectrogram then?
can always try to mess around with arta, not quite sure what your end goal is here
>>106262212
>>106262215
my sides you guys are so desperate lmaoooooo
i'll go with lucky 7 i guess

>>106262108
the length is comfy for pocket

>>106262108
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>>106262306
Fake thread.

>>106262313
Real thread without itoddlers.

damn, it's not even two opposite retards making threads, it's literally the same side faggots hogging (You)s

just a coincidence, okay...

>>106262245
>>106262313
U mad?

>>106262340
In case you were wondering, everyone is laughing at techs.

I'll just go to whatever thread doesn't die..

>>106262748
surprised jannies haven't yet cleaned it up, they usually close duplicate threads and go with the earliest one

>>106262796
/g/ jannies literally don't do anything unless you report.