Thread 106240605

Is NixOS the endgame of distrohopping? The docs are so bad that you're more confusing after reading them than before. The user interface is a clusterfuck of terrible decisions with its inconsistent command line flag styles and several ways to do the same thing. But having tasted the forbidden fruit of declarative configuration, you cannot go back. It ruins all other distros for you.

>Is it the end
No that would be fedora. You can call it midwit tier all you want, but that means you are calling Linus a midwit which is dumb. Gentoo, Arch, and nix are fun when you want to learn more about Linux, but after you get over that phase you start to really appreciate "just works". I don't want to fuck around with configs and I don't want to have to clear out old nixos fall backs, or deal with weird update commands. I just want to type update and be done
>But reproducibility
That's only really valuable if you are running a production webserver and I would argue it is better solved by running docker on Alma Linux.
>But what if you somehow break something with dependency issues
I have literally never had this happen on fedora. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there or just crawl some forums to figure it out. I still think I'll win on the time sunk game.

>>106240605 (OP)
NixOs is a complete joke. Its main feature of "reproducible configuration" is only useful for those already so deep in the sauce they are unable to see the sheer insanity of what they're doing

You should only have to install an operating once per device. If you're at the point where you reinstall your operating system so much that reproducibility is an important factor you are an incurable tinkertranny. Simple as.

Now for server deployments or IT infrastructure it may have a niche but for desktop use? nah

>>106240681
>caling Linus a midwit
he is

>>106240681
this, but debian testing. Imagine running an os named fedora aka a redditor tipping a hat, which you probably are.

>>106240605 (OP)
Reproducibility in the desktop isn't particularly useful because you're only installing it on one device. NixOS makes everything more difficult than it needs to be because you have to configure all of your application settings in the Nix language. On top of that, if you want to install new software permanently you need to rebuild your entire system.
Most users are better served by Fedora, Mint, or Arch. If you need reproducibility on a server then I can see Nix possibly working, although you would probably be better off using Docker containers or some shit.

>>106240841
arch all the way baby, suck my fat cock.

>>106240931
you are worse than the fedora user

>>106240946
I don't really tinker with it all day, I just need muh i3-wm, terminal, and muh web-browser. Then.... GOOONING begins.

>>106240605 (OP)
>The docs are so bad that you're more confusing after reading them than before
yep and it's even worth since the leader was ousted by troons
>The user interface is a clusterfuck of terrible decisions with its inconsistent command line flag styles and several ways to do the same thing.
if you need a DSL for configuring your OS then you're doing it wrong, stay the fuck away from "atomic" distro, it's bloat for no reason.
>But having tasted the forbidden fruit of declarative configuration, you cannot go back.
yes you can, that's what made me go back to arch, TRUE simplicity as the lord intended.
>It ruins all other distros for you.
on the opposite, he made me remember that simplicity is the most important feature.
I don't see a single use case for atomic distros on desktop, it goes against the very nature of how we use computers, it's the modern-day equivalent of the suckless faggots who barely use their computers therefore software having no features was not an issue for them, I'm sure you barely do anything on your computer beyond mail and rotting away in a browser, that why you don't see the trillions shortcomings of these retarded things

>>106240993
just like i thought. imagine being (productive) at computers

>>106241038
put ubuntu and mint at the top and replace sides with macos and windows. thank me later, your quality of life will actually improve.

>>106241045
I use macOS for my daily driver and Ubuntu on my headless computers. Windows is shit.

>>106240605 (OP)
I've tried out just about everything over the years.
Fedora KDE is the most smooth thing I've used since Win 7.
Could've gone with debian testing but I wanted more stability than that. Debian stable packages are so old I'd have to convert my PC to carburetors to run it.

>>106240605 (OP)
i liked nixos but hopped to macos
no regrets

>>106240836
>Linus is a midwit
If he is a midwit then everyone here is in the retard camp. He made the 3rd most popular user kernel and developed the most popular version control system. What have you achieved to call him a midwit?
>>106240841
>Debian testing
Imagine using an OS that's name is a literal reminder of how one of its main contributor got cucked.

>>106240605 (OP)
i used debian for a couple of years just bc of familiarity with sudo apt get from starting on ubuntu but i gave arch a try bc i wanted to know if archinstall really made it easy and it did and its more reliable and faster so im just an arch user now. lot of people go with fedora nowadays but i dont really see why

>>106240605 (OP)
>NixOS
Did you guys fucking change your logo?
I could've sworn you had orange.

>>106240605 (OP)
i like Guix, but i have particular tastes and don't care to evangelize unless it's to siphon people from NixOS now that it's a disaster.
>>106241205
they did, but to this. it was always blue before.

>>106240605 (OP)
the end game of distro hopping is windows 11 iot ltsc

>>106241238
regular windows as you realize you are a europoor where stock windows actually isn't that bad (yet)

>>106241227
Always *also* blue, that's 3 shades of orange vs. one green, blue and purple each.
>inb4 those are shades of blue
Ok, fine, but you still read from left-to-right, biasing you to orange.
If you read blue, you're probably some werido weabo anime tranny.

>>106241271
Wait, actually it *is* biased to red (orange), since purple does both, and RGB is the spectrum, not CYMK.
I mean, it looks like a snowflake now, honestly, that rainbow spaghetti of broken autumn twigs looked better, in my opinion.

My distro journey was Ubuntu for a year, Sabayon for 2 years, crunchbang for a year, then Arch for 11 years. I'm honestly tired of fucking around and can spin up arch to my preferences (including importing and setting up individual program preferences) in about 2 hours.

NixOS seems like a massive headache and timesink, but I actually use Linux every day at work, so I guess that might be why I have no interest in it. I can't see how it's worth it for my servers at work either since those get rebuilt way less than my desktop. I do use Docker a lot.

>>106241262
the fuck you're on about, it's full of bloatware you don't want, WAY MORE telemetry, the new malware that take screenshot and send your passwords to microsoft, onedrive, no group policy, no hyper-v.
you really don't have a single reason to use anything but ltsc which is the only version that should exist for everyone anyways.
I don't even know wtf microsoft is doing with all this data they steal from users because they don't make that much money with it.
a free, very stable and rock-solid ltsc for everyone with 0 telemetry, enforced sudo-like feature for priviledge escalation, no phoning home would instantly kill linux on desktop

>>106240605 (OP)
how do you fuck up this meme format

>>106240681
If "just works" distros like Fedora and Ubuntu and whatever were the only things Linux had to offer, I'd just stick with Windows
Zero reason to use them

>>106241180
>being good at coding makes you not a midwit
Lol, lmao

>>106241411
>NixOS seems like a massive headache and timesink
can confirm, I've tried it and went back to archlinux after two weeks., I use my computer too much, fighting against nix to get anything compiled, installed and running is a FUCKING NIGHTMARE.
>I actually use Linux every day at work, so I guess that might be why I have no interest in it.
or you just don't want to deal with yet another layer of abstraction that bring nothing but troubles for the desktop user.
>I can't see how it's worth it for my servers at work either since those get rebuilt way less than my desktop. I do use Docker a lot.
yeah, reproductibility and isolations are solved issues, nixos is just one convoluted way to replace some of the usual tools sysadmins have been using for decades and the new kids on the block like ansible, chef, docker, terraform, etc, it's not even working that well from what I've seen.
I've also tried to use nix on archlinux when I heard that valve was doing that with the steamdeck, it's basically a better AUR for weird software that aren't in arch repos, it's honestly the only thing they should focus on in my opinion.
the OS will never take off but I can see potential in nix the package manager ALONGSIDE a normal OS that won't be a fucking pain in the ass to use

>>106241442
>full of bloatware you don't want
tbf I am on windows pro version, but only autists care about this. if it doesn't actively bother me or take half my cpu i don't remove it.
>the new malware that take screenshot and send your passwords to microsoft, onedrive
copilot plus pc only
>no group policy, no hyper-v
i have this on pro install
>I don't even know wtf microsoft is doing with all this data they steal from users because they don't make that much money with it.
personalized ads for edge or smth, don't care i am running brave
>no phoning home would instantly kill linux on desktop
it already does on every usability and productivity metric. would be the cherry on top if they spied less

>>106241271
>>106241342
they clearly lean toward blue friendo.

>>106241542
>it already does on every usability and productivity metric
they have billions of computers in the wild feeding data in real-time and still can't into UI/UX and they make people switch to linux with dumb decisions like fixing the taskbar at the bottom, how is this even possible to have that much behaviorial data and still entirely miss the fucking point, it's either sabotage or absolute incompetence, either way microsoft should fire probably 90% of its non-azure workers, it would most likely have 0 negative impact on the quality of their products.

>>106241594
>still can't into UI/UX
you should check out foss shit like gimp
>fixing the taskbar at the bottom
only tryhards like jblow move their taskbar and then go on a 10 minute shizo rant why they are better if you ask them about it instead of actually focusing on what they are doing
just use alt-tab and powertoys run or smth

everything after this is true

I use Arch and it just works, I tried Nix (in a VM) once after hearing people hyping it up.
It was interesting, but it's overcomplicated. Documentation was outdated and doing something as basic as uninstalling software (which came preinstalled) required a new section in the config file which I reckon isn't really necessary. Some will say declarative distros are the future to which I say it's another situation of people conflating any sort of new idea as the inevitable future.

Also have to mention the people who want a "just works" system and will tell you off for using something "niche" like Arch, Gentoo, Void, etc. are more than likely just afraid of those systems. I've also once upon a time tried to go full "just works" with Ubuntu, Debian, and Fedora before, eventually I found out that since I was most comfortable with Arch already, I didn't need a "stable" distro. I needed something that'd let me set it up quickly the way I liked it, would work between reboots, and also let me do whatever poweruser (notice how this term has been converted into a derogatory "tinkertranny") nonsense I'm into on weekends.
The real redpill is use whatever the fuck you like. If you're wasting your time on 4chan telling people to install your favorite distro, you're already wasting just as much time not being "productive" like many of these Debian/Fedora fags will hypocritically claim
If you have to go do real work then fuck off faggot

>>106240605 (OP)
it's nice for my server idk how it would work on a desktop since i use nix-darwin (macos) for that. you'd have to be fine with programming in a language that is an abomination of json and some ML-language. i just started to use it since i got annoyed at ansible otherwise i'd have just kept using ubuntu

>>106241660
>you should check out foss shit like gimp
yeah but taht's a totally different subject, microsoft get everything you do with your computer in real-time, how come they don't fix the UI/UX?
>only tryhards like jblow move their taskbar and then go on a 10 minute shizo rant why they are better if you ask them about it instead of actually focusing on what they are doing
I don't do it either, I like it at the bottom as it's the place where it makes the more sense to me, that was just an example.
>just use alt-tab and powertoys run or smth
that's what I do, I was just giving an example, I could have send the pic of all the kind of different menu you can get on the OS, it's crazy to think that current settings UI was release with windows 8 in 2012 and the migration is still not even half way done...

>>106240681
>but that means you are calling Linus
I already do that.

>>106241723
why would they fix the ux/ui if some guy makes a file explorer from scratch like file pilot for free.
besides, microsoft devs are too busy migrating their entire ui to react native and javascript.
windows 10 fucking flies compared to windows 11, especially the file explorer.
most of my daily computer usage is using emacs, an ide and a browser so i genuinely don't really care about it. gdb on linux for debugging is an absolute joke compared to the visual studio debugger.

>>106240841
nigga debian was named after the guy (who anheroed) + the whore who cheated on him LOL

>>106241180
>>106241805
no one cares about your linux lore. meanwhile, keep tipping your fedoras and moderating your discords.

>>106241534
This. As a server, it's kinda nice, but doing anything outside the Nix ecosystem only comes with issues, and the bandages it provides don't work that well. I do like the shell feature, I think it has potential as being *the* package manager for any language, but the amount of boilerplate needed is just too much, besides the poor docs.

>>106241830
at least my fedora will never be full of BVLL CVM

>>106241502
>stick with windows
What exactly do you want from Linux? I am using it because I like the CLI stuff, smooth developer experience, no ads and not being spied on.
>>106241522
>>106241783
>Good at coding
I mean kind of. I would argue its a sign of intelligence which the meme is originally referencing. I'd also argue that fucking around with your tools all day instead of doing something with them is kind of a midwit move. The tools exist to do something not for their ascetic.
>>106241830
>No one cares about Linux lore
Hey you were the one talking about names while living in a glass house. Fedora is a based distro and if it's name is the worse thing about it, I'll take that.

>>106241271
>trannies infest project and perform hostile takeover
>change the logo go a rainbow
Lmao

>>106242050
Everyone knows the fedora stereotype from le funny 9gag and reddit unlike some niche distro developer backstory.