Thread 106242020

>just works
>compatible with everything
>durable
>simple, little to no complications or troubleshooting
>no latency
>better sound quality
>cheap
>environmentally friendly
>waterproofable, dustproofable, normieproofable
>we all spontaneously decided to just ditch this thing for no reason in 2016 one day
why did the whole world just go along with it?

>>106242020 (OP)
Because convincing people to buy your goybuds that have lame latency and shoot radio waves at your skull makes money

>>106242020 (OP)
Xperia or Xcover phones exist.

>>106242020 (OP)
I have an USBC adaptor and I hate it with all my heart. Even if the connector itself is magnetic so the chances of it breaking are much lesser, it's such a retarded thing to have it removed.

>>106242020 (OP)
>frays at end
>cuts out so you have to twist it around until you find a good connection
>then you bump it by accident and have to twist it again
>cord gets kinked and you have to put duck tape around the spot to stop it from bending and losing connection
>gets ripped out after being caught on a doorknob (if you're unlucky your phone gets ripped out of your hand and shatters on the ground)
>put headphones in your pocket for 3 seconds, have to spend 10 minutes untangling them

these things sucked and anyone who says otherwise has rose tinted nostalgia goggles on.
It was a constant meme about how much these fuckers tangled in your pocket. and no they weren’t durable, the cable would fray or worse, the port would get loose and you'd have to hold the connector in.
latency is a meme and so is sound quality when these things were operating in the real world and rarely had any isolation.

I will say I still have wired headphones for my desktop, but I’m glad wive given up putting them on phones.

>>106243577
It's fragile as fuck. Totally obliterates the charging port when your phone is bouncing around in your pocket.

>>106243654
Literally almost all of these can be addressed by only using headphones with easily replaceable cables. The ones that can't can be fixed by simply tucking the cables under your clothes and not stuffing them into your pocket. Total non-issues compared to the complications that Bluetooth brings.
>latency
>sound quality
>pairing and switching devices
>checking your battery level is unreliable
>remembering to charge the earbuds sucks ass
>oops! turns out the earbuds weren't quite sitting right in the case so they weren't charging and now one of them is dead and the other is full
>oops! turns out the case was nearly dead before you left the house with it so now the earbuds have just been sitting in a dead case draining since yesterday and they're both nearly dead
>oops! you've been using them for more than 4.5 hours! time to stop no matter what and charge them for 45 minutes at least.
>oops! you've been using the same pair of earbuds for 3 years now and the batteries have degraded to the point where now they die at 50% and only last about 90 minutes on a good day. can't replace the batteries cuz they're glued in, better buy a new pair! that'll be $350 every few years for the rest of your life for ~convenience~
>oops! something went wrong. what exactly? you'll have to spend time frantically googling the problem and finding the answer in a nuked Reddit thread from 5 years ago. have fun with that!
>oops! turns out each earbud containing a battery, a processor, 3 microphones, various radios, pressure sensors, touch sensors, gyroscopes, accelerometers and who knows what the fuck else and that's not even getting into all the tech stuffed into the case and throwing all that shit out just to buy it again over and over isn't great for the environment. sorry :/ if only there was a simply option
>oops! this legacy device doesn't support the codec these headphones use.
>oops! this legacy device doesn't support Bluetooth at all, tough shit :(

>>106243654
Yes yes... good goyim...

>>106243671
>It was a constant meme about how much these fuckers tangled in your pocket.
So don't put them in your pocket.
>and no they weren’t durable, the cable would fray
The jack itself was very durable. The cables weren't, but you can just use headphones with replaceable cables.
>or worse, the port would get loose and you'd have to hold the connector in.
I have literally never had this happen or seen it happen or even heard of it, but even still, it's better for the jack to be there than not.
>latency is a meme
If you only ever use your headphones to consoom media, sure. Try using an app like Koala or GarageBand with a pair of AirPods and you will quickly begin to see that it is very much not a meme.
>and so is sound quality when these things were operating in the real world and rarely had any isolation
Auxiliary headphones almost always end up sounding better than Bluetooth headphones at the same price point because Bluetooth headphones are inherently more expensive and need to make different compromises to meet the same MSRP. Also Bluetooth is an inherently lossy format and aux is not, so even in a technological level it just sucks and your only response is to just accept it and stop caring.

>>106243654
well i hope you like spending 120$ on your GoyPods instead of getting 20$ lossless earpods.

>>106243654
>>106243671
If you like Bluetooth earbuds and want to use them despite the fact that they're objectively worse in every measurable way and only offer one mild upside in exchange for all those downsides, that's fine. But why does that have to be the only way? What do you gain from the port not being there? How does that benefit you at all? Please explain. If you have a phone with a headphone jack, you could always just ignore it and continue using Bluetooth. If you want to use it, now you have the option. Why shouldn't you have the choice?

>>106244017
as another anon said, these are damn annoying and apple was making excuses to remove their headphone jack. nobody gives a flying fuck about a faptic engine.

>>106244017
*fucks up your USB-C port*

Thank you Apple, very cool!

>>106244017
cuck cable

It was removed for good reason because niggers wouldn't stop putting their penis in the 3.5mm jack and repair centers quit cause of it.

>>106244017
*forces you to choose between charging your phone and listening to music*

Thank you Apple, very cool!

>>106244047
>laughing_crying_emoji.png
based! put me in the screencap!!!!!!!!! kys

>>106244047
anon... this never happens, you just have a fetish for niggers putting their penis in phones

>>106242020 (OP)
I only use sms, mms, and voice calls. A cell phone is a low tier entertainment device.

>>106244017
Same thing just unequivocally worse, I love it.

>>106244095
>guy who carries a portable vinyl record player everywhere for the "warmth"

>>106244017
>use this
>put phone in pocket
>accidentally bump the connector with your palm super hard
>
>uh-oh

>>106243654
>you VILL hold the button on the back of your earbuds' case until the indicator LED starts blinking white and continue holding for 15 more seconds to perform a factory reset

>>106242020 (OP)
>better sound quality
False

>>106244234
Objectively true actually.

>>106244240
Better than what?

>>106244244
Better than Bluetooth. Bluetooth is an inherently lossy audio transmission protocol. Even "lossless" codecs are only colloquially lossless in the way that American cellphone providers offer "unlimited" data that isn't actually unlimited and does indeed come with a cap. Couple that with the compromises that need to be made to fit the extra tech required to make a Bluetooth headset work in the same amount of space and you will find that Bluetooth headphones are almost always audibly worse than their auxiliary counterparts.

>>106243927
That's why I got an adapter that is like magsafe, but creates a problem that if I run too hard it can disconnect.

>>106242020 (OP)
I don't really care desu I just put my airpods in and they just werk lol

>>106242020 (OP)
I don't. I was already using an external dac connected by USB when they got rid of these. My life didn't change a single bit.

>>106245552
*falls out of your ear and into a sewer drain*

>>106244028
>objectively worse in every measurable way and only offer one mild upside
If you are at the gym/running/biking/doing any kind of physical activity, or even using them while cooking or doing chores, then not being tethered to your phone is a massive improvement, and you wouldn't be able to tell the quality loss in those situations anyway.
However
>why does that have to be the only way?
this I very much agree with, and it's the reason I am currently sticking with my 5yo phone. If you are in a pinch and you need a pair or earbuds, it's a matter of seconds to just grab whatever cabled ones you have laying around, or borrow one from somebody. If you do the same with a pair of bluetooth earbuds that's connected to a different device you will be fumbling for 30 seconds before you can use it, and nevermind borrowing a pair from someone and having to pair them.

>>106242020 (OP)
and yet none of you buy Sony phones

>>106242020 (OP)
It's your fault, by buying a smartphone with no jack (and no micro sd) you encouraged manufacturers to go on.
I boycotted any jack-less and micro-sd-less device, I even sent e-mails to every manufacturer who dropped these features to complain like a jewish woman. At least I tried.

>>106244275
If you think you can tell the auditory difference between wired and a good pair of bluetooth headphones using modern codecs, then you should also be able to tell the substantial difference you can get from using a USB-C DAC that mogs the one that was built in to most phones.

>>106242020 (OP)
>why did the whole world just go along with it?
Why did the world go along with all the dumbfuck retarded things that happened that never should have happened? Humans are lazy and apathetic pieces of shit.

>>106243577
I lost two during an 8 day stay in hospital. They were white. I fucking hate dongles. Stupid fucking cunts.

>>106244041
>cuck cable
Here's your meme sar

>>106245717
>running
>biking
>using them while cooking
>doing chores
Jesus Christ, you are a colossal average predditor faggot.
Tell us about your wifey sauce you fucking faggot.

>>106242020 (OP)
I expect in a few years when wireless charging becomes more prevalent and efficient, apple or samshit will "innovate" and remove the usb port all together to "save the environment" or because "our customers aren't really using it".

>>106247273
>working out
>doing normal daily activities
Explain what makes the above "Reddit"

>>106243577
I have broken 3 since january, I hate this shit

>>106247380
they'll use the same excuse as they did with removing the 3.5 port -- waterproofing.

>>106247176
Everything is relative. The downgrade Bluetooth brings in audio quality is too great to justify. A USB C DAC sounds nice but USB C is too fragile to use for the same purposes as 3.5mm, so slightly worse audio quality is a fair trade-off for durability.
I just want the headphone jack back.

>>106247380
I don't see how they'd be able to use the environment angle for that one. A wireless charger is inherently going to use more materials than a plug and require more complicated manufacturing. Also it's a significantly less efficient mode of charging, requiring more energy to compensate. Up to 50% more actually, it's very very inefficient. Also the charging port is an important diagnostic tool and data management feature so they have to find a way around that as well.

They're probably still gonna do it though.

>>106247273
This NEET nigger does nothing but sit in front of a computer on 4chan. he never works out, he never cleans his pod, he never cooks for himself (save boiling water for his cup noodles). No wonder he doesn’t see the drawbacks of wiring his ears to his pocket.

Just use an adapter.
I found two free adapters when I was in hospital, never looked back.

>>106242020 (OP)
Because apple ditched them and everyone has to copy apple.

>>106244240
Have you ever actually tested it?

I have because I have a DAC (Topping DX3PRO+) that I can connect to my PC either via USB and via Bluetooth 5.0
Playing uncompressed audio and using quality headphones (Sennheiser HD 490 Pro) I can't tell any difference whatsoever.

>>106242020 (OP)
>>durable

lol, you haven't used it regularly then. I had to get a headphone with detachable cables so I can just get a new cable for $5 and stock them up in advance, because I was so fucking sick of soldering on new plugs / headphone connections.
granted this was with using them for 5-6 hours a day and sometimes more, which included during travel.

agree on all your other points though. don't forget to add in not having to deal with the horse shit that is Bluetooth pairing, the retarded 1-button setup for BT headphones that never fucking works on first try, and recharging batteries.

>>106242020 (OP)
My chinkphone has this.

>have a phone with a 3.5mm jack
>use headphones with a 4.4mm jack and BTR anyway
Yeah, I guess I like having it, don't really use it tho

>>106244011
>I hope you like spending $120 on something that sounds average instead of spending $20 on something that sounds like actual dogshit
hmmmmmmm,,,,m

>>106245717
>running
>biking
>using them while cooking
>doing chores
I have never understood how people can listen to music whilst doing other activities. When I do any significant activity I cannot focus on anything else. About the only activity I can partake in whilst consuming content is shitting.

>>106251606
The whole point is to distract you from those tedious activities.
Or do you really have to concentrate to ride a bike?

>>106243577
>>106243927
>>106247202
>>106247630
What the fuck are you doing to your cables, spergs? I got one of them shitty Apple dongles nine months ago and it still works fine even though I sometimes rest it on my body so the cable bends at a 90 degree angle.

>>106243654
*GoyPod's battery life span ends*
>Might as well repair it
>*Goypod gets destroyed during repair because Apple made battery replacement impossible*
>It'll be $599 for a replacement sir.

Fucking rent free anon. Have the picrel for why wired is the better option.

>>106251606
It's nice when working out because it distracts you from the physical strain, and it makes chores less boring. I also play podcasts or audiobook in languages I am trying to learn, so in my case it doubles as practice for that.

>>106251784
use them 5 hours per day at least, mini jacks breaks too but lasts 10 times more and when it starts to malfunction it doesn't start taking screen shots, opening apps, changing volume, starting stopping skipping songs. Thats something that makes me feel like my brain is beeing cracked by a cyberghost.

>>106245717
>gym
>running
>using them while cooking or doing chores
I use my wired IEMs for all of these with no problem.
>biking
Yeah I can't imagine it would be that nice biking with wired headphones. But you must have a death wish if you're biking with headphones in. It's illegal to do so here.

nah, phones don't need 3.5mm jack
I used to think that they did for a long time, "I want to charge only one thing", but they don't
cable running out of the phone prevents using the phone effectively
I used ER4XR into BTR3 for longest time, but then I tried beats fit pro and they work really well too: go into the case to recharge as soon as I stop listening. The sound quality is worse, but good enough on the go and I can run without cable dangling everywhere
I'm going to pick up the rumored refresh airpods pro in a month

>>106251732
>Or do you really have to concentrate to ride a bike?
Yeah you do. A car will kill you if you're not careful.

>>106243671
I have never once in my life had a frayed cable on headphones that weren't cheap shit. The cable I use now has like 6 redundancies built into it.

>>106251175
Some can hear a difference, others can't. Displays refresh rates work the same way.
This is beside the point anyway because bitrate is important for more than just casual listening. You need high definition capture for things like, for example, treating samples without much degradation. Aux can handle this, Bluetooth cannot.

>>106251784
keep doing that :) what could go wrong?

>>106252612
>Some can hear a difference
Show me ONE blind test proving this....

>>106252343
>cable running out of the phone prevents using the phone effectively
...what? how?
>I tried beats fit pro and they work really well too: go into the case to recharge as soon as I stop listening
yeah this is nice if you only listen to maybe an hour of music a day. 5+ hours is where you run into problems. and even then, check back in 5 years. the batteries will be completely shit by then if they haven't degraded to a point of literal failure.

having a cable go from your ear to your thigh is really not that bad.

>>106252626
https://thenextweb.com/news/wired-headphones-superior-sound-bluetooth

>>106252228
>But you must have a death wish if you're biking with headphones in
I live in the Netherlands :P
Anywhere else it would be indeed asking for trouble

>>106252370
If you just stick to the right (as you should be doing anyways) it doesn't matter if you can hear cars or not.

And at crossroads obviously LOOOOOOOOK do not rely on sound.
Hell, I would even argue that I am safer in traffic wearing noise cancelling headphones than most normies with perfect hearing because I always look and don't get complacent with "meh I can probably hear any (electric) car"

>>106252650
Not a blind test.
Not even a listening test.

Yeah I understand that the bits aren't the same as the original, nobody is trying to deny that.
But can you HEAR the difference?
Not plot in on a cart....HEAR as in listen with your own ears and tell "This is Bluetooth and that is wired"?

Funny how they never test that and only point at charts.
If it made any real difference you wouldn't need bit-comparison charts to tell you what you're hearing.

>>106252658
Anywhere else you will be killed regardless.
Being able to hear isn't going to make car-centric roads safe to cycle on.

>>106252636
>...what? how?
don't pretend to be stupid now
>check back in 5 years. the batteries will be completely shit
just like the batteries in the phone
because they're batteries
>having a cable go from your ear to your thigh is really not that bad.
it's manageable, "not that bad" and I lived years like that, but having no cables outweighs the few autistic benefits the jack has

I still have one. Vote with your wallet. My next phone will also have one.

Btw, not recommending anyone getting one, it's just too expensive for the features it has, but the Xperia 1 VII has both an sd card slot and an audiojack.

Big phone could give us what they want. But they know you'll pay big money to get the cucked feature-reduced bullshit either way.

>waiting at an airport
>using wireless earbuds
>theyre refusing to connect
>???
>spend 30 minutes fiddling with them, restarting them, pairing and unpairing them
>look up how to factory reset them
>get them working, watch some YouTube
>they die after about an hour (i forgot to charge the case so they only had maybe 30% battery to start with)
>didn't bring a battery with me (technically not true, i brought a magsafe battery but the earbuds don't support qi charging so it won't work)
>purchase a cable and adapter from a shop in the airport
>go hunting for an outlet
>everybody's hogging the outlets
>find an empty one
>wait about 90 minutes for the earbuds to finish charging
>go through the pairing process again because they're not connecting again
>decide i want to play a game
>connect them to nintendo switch
>try to play a rhythm game
>sounds like staticky fucking dogshit
>latency is so bad the game is unplayable and i'm not being dramatic, i can't compensate for the lag no matter how hard i try
>that's fine, i have a bunch of other games
>play totk for a while
>get a phone call
>earbuds automatically switch back to my phone
>ringtone is loud as fuck in my ears
>spam caller, decline
>spend another 5 minutes trying to get the fucking earbuds to reconnect to the switch again
>they die again even though the battery said there's 40% battery left
>give up and just sit in silence for a few hours
i love the future!!! i love the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still have this and many cheaper Android phones still do. I have a Galaxy A15 that still has this and it's not even a shit phone camera is good quality from what I can tell and it has OLED and 5G

>>106252744
>don't pretend to be stupid now
that's not an answer. how does the presence of a headphone jack prevent you from using your phone efficiently? if anything a phone without a headphone jack is just objectively less capable than the one with one.
>just like the batteries in the phone
because they're batteries
exactly. not everything needs a battery in it.
>>having a cable go from your ear to your thigh is really not that bad.
>it's manageable, "not that bad" and I lived years like that, but having no cables outweighs the few autistic benefits the jack has
the benefits are many, not few, and they're pretty significant. you're giving up a lot of stuff in favor of a product that is essentially the same thing but more expensive and slightly worse in many ways, all because you don't want to deal with a cable.
which is a fine choice to make, but why should anyone HAVE to make that choice?

>>106252718
You're the one alleging that it's impossible to hear a difference, do you have any studies corroborating that claim?
Also what about the other part where I said sound quality it's important for more than just direct listening? Are you just going to ignore that part?

>>106252851
>latency is so bad the game is unplayable
That is a real issue with Bluetooth, yes.
And something that probably can't be solved.
The problem is to get good compression you need a second or so of audio.
So even with instant processing and infinite compute power the latency will be about a second.

I think the only way to solve this is to have all the in-game sounds pre-compressed.
Or maybe they could make a special protocol where audio samples are pre-loaded onto the headphone and the game just tells which samples to play when and at what volume.
Until then you should just use wired headphones with gaming devices.

>>106252963
literally none of these problems are things i would've encountered a decade ago. everything's just worse now except its wireless lmao

>>106252945
>do you have any studies corroborating that claim?
Like I said I did my own test.
There never seem to be any blind listening tests getting published by so-called "audiophiles" - that's the problem.
>Also what about the other part where I said sound quality it's important for more than just direct listening?
What about it?
We're discussing headphones, nothing else.
Sounds like you're just trying to move the goalposts.

>>106252983
>except its wireless lmao
That alone makes everything worth it.

>>106253009
Ah ok well I also did my own test and my findings are that Bluetooth sounds audibly worse than 3.5mm.
>We're discussing headphones, nothing else.
We're discussing the 3.5mm headphone jack, which despite its name can be used for more than headphones. It can be used for recording equipment and external samplers. Most samplers don't even support Bluetooth at all because it really is just that bad of a protocol for audio transmission.

>>106252922
>objectively less capable
basic phone handling like taking a picture is unnecessarily harder with a fragile cable in picture. Cable wrangling around the clothes is unnecessary toil you gotta do, the cable is either under the clothes and prevents taking a phone out or outside of the clothes and catches on things.
>which is a fine choice to make, but why should anyone HAVE to make that choice?
no one's forcing you to do anything, you're free to be as autistic as you like, I think chinks still make dumbphone batteries

>>106253048
>I also did my own test
Oh yeah?
What setup did you use?

>It can be used for recording equipment and external samplers.
If you use your smartphone's microphone for serious audio recording Bluetooth compression is the least of your issues.

>>106253088
>basic phone handling like taking a picture is unnecessarily harder with a fragile cable in picture. Cable wrangling around the clothes is unnecessary toil you gotta do, the cable is either under the clothes and prevents taking a phone out or outside of the clothes and catches on things.
none of that "prevents you from using your phone efficiently." if you have a phone that has a headphone jack, you can still choose to use bluetooth there. and none of the shit you listed are even "efficiency" problems, just minor inconveniences that pale in comparison to the inconveniences of bluetooth.
>no one's forcing you to do anything, you're free to be as autistic as you like, I think chinks still make dumbphone batteries
if virtually every smartphone manufacturer on earth collectively decides to ditch the jack so they can sell you wireless headphones you'll hate or a dongle you'll hate to use, and only a handful of companies decide not to do that, you're being forced to make a decision there. you must decide to either allow yourself to be manipulated into buying an expensive product you don't want or need, deal with the nerfed version of the same product you've been using as punishment, or use an otherwise shitty product from a no-name company that didn't get rid of the jack you need but probably will soon.
this shit used to be a universal standard and now it's not. it was replaced with something worse against the will of basically everyone who doesn't benefit monetarily from the prosperity of the companies making these products. WHY IS THIS OKAY?

>>106250787
>NEET as insult
Good goy

>>106253160
you're arguing with a paid shill, a schizo or a retard. he's not even citing the reason phone manufacturers said they removed the ports for -- waterproofing.

>>106252744
You do realise the jack does not stop you using Bluetooth headphones right? But no jack does stop you using wired headphones. Bluetooth has its fair share of annoyances, as does wired. I’d argue they’re basically equivalent, but one is impossible on modern phones

>>106253127
I went from using a phone + a pair of wired headphones that cost the same amount as the wireless headphones I use now to using a phone and my current wireless pair of headphones.
Both headphones were made by the same company and the phone is unchanged. The wireless pair suck. The music sounds like it's being played through a Skype call.
For confirmation, I also bought a pair of headphones that can do both Bluetooth and auxiliary and use both modes on the same devices. Bluetooth reliably sounds worse, you can always tell.
I think YOU just can't hear a difference. I can. The same way some people are bothered by PWM on OLED screens and others aren't, or the same way some people can see a difference between 120fps and 240fps and others can't. People are different.
>If you use your smartphone's microphone for serious audio recording Bluetooth compression is the least of your issues.
I didn't say anything about the microphone. I'm talking about the headphone jack. If you use your phone as a sound source, regardless of where that sound is recorded from, the form of transmission you use matters.

>>106250755
its really easy to justify bluetooth in real world conditions. same for anc. a minor sound quality loss is not even going to be noticeable when you're walking down the sidewalk with cars and trucks driving by.

>>106253192
>>106253160
>DID YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU DON'T USE HEADPHONE JACK THE CABLE DOESN'T GET IN THE WAY
...okay?
>just minor inconveniences that pale in comparison to the inconveniences of bluetooth
...which are?
>and only a handful of companies decide not to do that, you're being forced to make a decision there.
no you're not
you either evolve with the rest of tech or use old shit and install windows 7 and deal with being progressively more obsolete
no one's forcing you to buy a new phone
isn't the point of this retarded thread "OH MAN I LOVE REPLACING BATTERIES IN OBSOLETE SHIT"?

>>106242020 (OP)
I like my wireless ear buds. Currently using OnePlus Buds 3
>Battery lasts enough for 2 weeks with my usage
>No more fucking around with wires
>Extremely easy to pop out the case and throw a bud in, great for phone calls
>Sound quality is good enough for my audiobooks, calls and music
I'll never go back to wires

>>106253218
>audio quality downgrade
>environmental impact downgrade
>compatibility downgrade
>price downgrade
>ease-of-use downgrade
>longevity downgrade
>
>upside: no cable

>>106253255
>...which are?
battery life and lifespan. every tws you buy is future ewaste in only a few years.
and that's best case scenario where it doesn't have issued with syncing, anc turning off randomly etc which is common with these.
its also a worse value proposition because a large % of what you spend on tws goes to the battery, bluetooth module, software etc. when you buy wired headphones all the money's in the drivers.
take a step back for a second and consider the fact you're shilling for pollution and wastefulness because its more profitable for a corpo to sell you buds that die instead of ones that don't.

>you either evolve with the rest of tech or use old shit and install windows 7 and deal with being progressively more obsolete
bluetooth is a side-grade to a wire not an evolution. you trade off convenience for sound quality loss, limited lifespan of device and being tied to a battery.

>>106253204
So you used DIFFERENT headphones plus one headphone paired to two DIFFERENT DAC's (the headphone's internal DAC vs. some external DAC).

I used the SAME headphone and the SAME DAC.

>I think YOU just can't hear a difference.
Ah, the famous "golden ear" argument.....

>>106253255
>>DID YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU DON'T USE HEADPHONE JACK THE CABLE DOESN'T GET IN THE WAY
>...okay?
yes. literally that's the point. the headphone jack is not bothering you. it won't hurt you. there's no reason to fear it. there's no reason it had to go. you do not benefit from its absence.
my argument was never that you should be forced to use wired headphones. my argument was that you should at least have the choice.
>...which are?
various. read the thread.
battery, sound quality, expense, longevity, it's worse in almost every tangible way except hey now there's no cable.
>no you're not
yes, you literally are. you can't use a smartphone from 2014 forever. you're going to have to "up"grade eventually and if these companies are all colluding to push you into buying wireless earbuds you weren't otherwise incentivized to buy, and a minority of companies haven't don't that, you're going to have to make a choice.
>you either evolve with the rest of tech
bluetooth is worse in so many ways it's not an evolution at all. standards should only die when something objectively better comes along and the purpose of the standard is negated. this hasn't happened with 3.5mm because there are too many problems with bluetooth that are inherent to the way it works.
>or use old shit and install windows 7 and deal with being progressively more obsolete
I think companies should stop treating consumers like dogshit and you should stop defending it.
>no one's forcing you to buy a new phone
actually yes they are. they have a whole name for this concept: planned obsolescence.
>isn't the point of this retarded thread "OH MAN I LOVE REPLACING BATTERIES IN OBSOLETE SHIT"?
yes. batteries should be used as sparingly as possible. I want to keep as many of my belongings for as long as I can without being forced to keep fucking buying the same thing over and over and over again. wireless headphones intrinsically cannot last as long as aux headphones can.

only a third world jeet would even argue about this stuff.
they create a false dilemma that you HAVE TO CHOOSE between tws and wired.
because they are poor faggots from the third world who permanently operate on a scarcity mentality.
any self respecting white man can afford a pair of tws and a pair of high quality wired headphones with a replaceable cable. any self respecting white man knows that different situations favor either device. any self respecting white man knows if you use a tws as your only audio device and use it at home all the time when you don't need to the battery craps out after a year.

>>106253204
>The music sounds like it's being played through a Skype call.
your tws buds might have a phone call mode and the software is getting confused and playing your music through the phone call mode instead of the audio mode.
another downside to tws.

>>106253204
>The music sounds like it's being played through a Skype call.
Only way that could possibly be true is if you use it in headset mode instead of headphone mode.
Which I now strongly suspect you're doing because you do sound like someone stupid enough to not know the difference.

>>106253310
>So you used DIFFERENT headphones
Yep. Same price, same components, different transmission protocols, one clearly better than the other.
>plus one headphone paired to two DIFFERENT DAC's (the headphone's internal DAC vs. some external DAC).
Correct. In this instance, the auxiliary connection won again.
I have tried a great many Bluetooth headphones and they've all been abysmal in comparison to their wired counterparts. Because Bluetooth fucking sucks.

>Ah, the famous "golden ear" argument.....
For which there is no counter argument.

>>106253367
I'm using hyperbole. You can hear the compression and artifacting. At least I can, you may have deafened yourself from years of listening at full volume.

>>106242020 (OP)
Waste of a hole. Grow up. Zoomers probably think the cord wrapped around the iPod touch is such an aesthetic landmark. Touch grass and talk to some women before it’s too late.
>whooah this is like so retro xD

>>106253295
>you're shilling
>companies are all colluding
I'm literally being paid human money to argue with absolute retards on /g/, yes
it's all a big conspiracy to get you
I'm in your walls
>you trade off convenience for minor imperceptible sound quality loss
ftfy
>for pollution and wastefulness because its more profitable for a corpo to sell you buds that die instead of ones that don't.
you're literally whining that you can't buy a new device that you want when your old device still works
>>106253312
>my argument was that you should at least have the choice.
you do https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2024&chk35mm=selected
458 phones just in the past 2 years
>actually yes they are. they have a whole name for this concept: planned obsolescence.
>I am forced to replace my phone because planned obsolescence CONCEPT exists
have you been officially diagnosed

>>106253390
k so basically your arguments are
- holes bad
- idk like, grow up
- get girls
- I'm old and crusty

>>106253409
Confirmed zoomers pining for something they never had. My argument is bulletproof, nobody gives a fuck about this except children who are trying too hard.

The headphone jack should return. In over 100 replies, I am the only anon who even mentioned the "official reason" why the 3.5 jack was removed. These retards don't even know why it was taken away.
- Wired headphones are actually worth spending money on because they are lossless.
- TWS are good too but it is not worth spending money for better sound because they are disposable and always sound mediocre due to the lossy format. Instead you should buy TWS based on the fit, anc quality, and features/software. They just need to fit your ear good and block out noise cheap shitters are fine.

>>106253404
>implying there are not marketing shills on /g/
Retard, or just a newfag?

>>106253404
>438 phones in the past 2 years
and they're all mostly variations of the same lines from the same brands from the same few parent companies. you used to be able to buy just about any smartphone and know it had a headphone jack and now you have to go out of your way to buy from a Chinese budget brand or maybe a Motorola and that's about it. explain to me why this is a good thing. what do you benefit from that? why is this the way things should be?

>>106253415
I'm not even a zoomer, I'm fucking 30 lmao. I want headphone jacks back because they were good. they were practical. they were cost effective. they were consumer friendly and more environmentally sustainable. there's no practical defense for the way the headphone jack was discarded the way it was. if you wanted wireless headphones, you could've just bought them. there was no reason to get rid of the standard.

>>106253424
in all fairness, Apple's official reason was (infamously) "courage"

>>106253450
Start with Jobs

>>106253430
touch grass
>>106253431
>explain to me why this is a good thing. what do you benefit from that? why is this the way things should be?
you want a phone with an headphone amp built in and replaceable battery you gotta buy bulky, practical, cost effective, consumer friendly and environmentally sustainable chinkshit
you want a slim modern phone that doesn't make you look autistic, you gotta leave the autism behind
I don't see anything wrong with this, why do you think something is afoot

>>106253404
Planned obsolescence is definitely a real. The name for the concept was only coined because so many companies were engaging in the behavior. Do you have any idea how many lawsuits these companies have been involved in as a result of the ways in which they intentionally and strategically limit the longevity of their products?

>>106253512
>trying to convince us you're not a shill
>speaks in redditor vernacular
anon i'm a mountain climber i touch a lot more grass than you........

>>106253512
Apple's thinnest iPhone was the iPhone 6s. every iPhone after that has either been thicker or was the same thickness as the previous generation. since the removal of the headphone jack, iPhones have only gotten bigger and bulkier in just about every dimension. try again.

>>106253520
its a marketing shill. he's from the third world. he has no idea about lawsuits in western countries he's from mumbai. he will never post a picture of white skin with a timestamp.

>>106253376
At the same price the wireless headphones will always lose out.
They contain a lot of extra stuff like a battery, electronics and DAC not present in wired headphones.

So yeah, the actual headphone part will be dirt cheap and the build in DAC will likely be garbage as well.
None of that has to do with compression.

I can easily hear the difference between different headphones and different DAC's, nothing wrong with my ears.
I have $20k worth of audio equipment, your cheap consumer garbage might sound fine to your cheap consumer ears but my standards are a lot higher.

>>106253512
>tech illiterates unironically believe headphone jacks are magical wizard technology that takes up 45% of the internal space of whatever it's included in

>>106253541
>At the same price the wireless headphones will always lose out.
They contain a lot of extra stuff like a battery, electronics and DAC not present in wired headphones.
NONE OF THIS IS A GOOD THING.

I haven’t missed or thought about wired headphones ever, not once. Once I discovered the magic of completely wireless buds. No tangle, no mess, they look better, sound better, have great battery life, portable and simple, integrate very well, plenty of functionality, noise cancellation, you buy one good pair and they last you years too. Wired headphones are more liable to damage needing to be replace more often. They also get knocked out of your ear easily. There’s pretty much 0 reason to have them on phones. Maybe some alt device for audiotards. Dudes walking around with the wired headphones don’t look fashionable either, it’s just a no all around. I’m sorry but we don’t need it.

>>106253653
>I haven’t missed or thought about wired headphones ever, not once.
That's nice. The headphone jack should still be there for people who disagree though.

>>106253520
how is your "ACKSHUALLY" comment relevant if you can't tell why the scary concept forces you to upgrade your phone
>>106253563
retard
>>106253533
>try again
how about you try again
the world has moved on from cables catching on shit, it's you who whine about it and thus have to sell this

>>106253653
if you open GarageBand on an iPhone while wearing AirPods, you get a pop-up message telling you to not to use wireless headphones for that.

lol. lmao.

>>106253662
>how about you try again
I don't have to, I already demolished your shit ThInNeSs argument on the first try.

>>106253662
>retard
lol not an argument. the 7th gen ipod nano is thinner than any iphone ever made and has a headphone jack. this company only removed the jack so they could scam you into buying airpods. that's literally it. and you're defending them "for free" (wink, wink) anonymously on the internet legitimately tweaking because not everyone likes what they did. fucking lmao look at yourself

>>106253676
I hope that helps you cope

>>106253693
Don't have another argument as to why the headphone jack's absence is in any way beneficial or are you giving up already?

>>106253662
>how is your "ACKSHUALLY" comment relevant if you can't tell why the scary concept forces you to upgrade your phone
I have to keep buying new phones every 7 years or so because they can't last any longer than that even if I do replace the battery.
This means I can't keep using the same one forever. I have fewer new options with headphone jacks than I did ten years ago.
This is bad.

Explain to me why this is good actually.

>>106246248
because they make them cost more than the flagship Samsung you stupid goy

>>106242020 (OP)
I still use them and love them, the idea that my next smartphone could be one without the port genuiney saddens me...

The Silicon Valley Gods know what you want better than you do. Shut the fuck yo and accept what they give you, you fucking cattle.

>>106253691
if jack is so awesome how come no other manufacturer retained it
is it because bluetooth is objectively better or really a collusion conspiracee joooos all the way down
>>106253701
I have just the reality, sorry
>>106253721
>I have to keep buying new phones every 7 years or so because they can't last any longer than that even if I do replace the battery.
still not a single real example of scary concept forcing you to buy phones
>This is bad.
of course it is, you don't even know why you need to upgrade your phone, but cosplay as cyberpunk anticorpo warrior

>>106253742
>yo
Up. Thank you Silicon Valley Gods for correcting me.

>>106243989
>I have literally never had this happen or seen it happen or even heard of it, but even still, it's better for the jack to be there than not.

I did, dust and stuff from your pocket gets into the crevice of the plug. It's not a fault of the jack plug however, seen it happen to USB-C connectors, had to use a needle to pry out like 3mm worth of fabric that prevented the cable from making proper connection.

As for jack plugs, it can sometimes happen due to dirty contacts, but wipe the plug in a grass cleaner, or (if it's really bad) spray some contact cleaner inside the connector while the unit is unpowered and let it dry.

>>106253748
> if jack is so awesome how come no other manufacturer retained it
>is it because bluetooth is objectively better or really a collusion conspiracee joooos all the way down
I didn't even say anything about jews.
a company is an entity that exists to make money. that is their first and primary objective. removing the headphone jack allows them to boost the sales of their own accompanying remedy to that problem they just created, thus increasing their profits and making them more money. this answers your first question too. they did it because they knew you would shut up and buy whatever they put in front of you. it wasn't about 'improving the technology' or 'courage' or some lame shit like that. it was literally just a fucking cash grab. even in companies that sell phones with no jack, they are still incentivized to save costs by eschewing components at scale.
they don't do these things because they care about you. they do these things because they care about money. and you're working as their free defense force. LMAO

>>106253748
>I have just the reality, sorry
Oh, you have the reality. OK why didn't you say that from the beginning? I wouldn't have tried to argue with you had I known you had the reality.

>>106253748
>still not a single real example of scary concept forcing you to buy phones
You can research these things yourself. Companies are incentivized to make their products in a way that gives you a reason to buy them again. This isn't even relegated to the tech sector, look at Tupperware. They went under because their products lasted too long and they didn't have enough repeat customers. If you think corporations don't actively work to make their products shittier you're delusional.
>of course it is, you don't even know why you need to upgrade your phone, but cosplay as cyberpunk anticorpo warrior
Why do you think people buy new phones despite complaining that they're the same every year? Because people just like wasting their money? The devices become unusable after under a decade. Their support gets dropped, their specs are no longer enough to keep up, their performance dips dramatically, and eventually the whole device has to be retired in favor of a newer one. You have to buy a new one.

>>106253748
They removed it to force you to buy their shit AirPod knockoffs. I imagine the thinking went like this:
>Apple did it and got away with it
>Okay. Let’s do it too, nobody ever got fired for copying Apple
>But what if people don’t buy our phones with no headphone jacks
>Every other company is going to do this too, more money in selling AirPod trash than appealing to a niche
>okay, we’ll make up some shit about waterproofing to convince fuckwits this is in their best interests and not a blatant grift

And some manufacturers did keep it, just none of the big ones

>>106253748
>I have just the reality, sorry
most aggressively indian post on the internet award

>>106253653
Paid marketing shill post. Notice how he hit all the key points discussed in the thread. "They last for years!!!" (if you use them 5minutes a day)
Ever written an ebay feedback where it reminds you to mention shipping time, product quality, seller communication etc? Same vibe.

>>106253748
what is this special form of mental retardation where the idea of an industry colluding to make more money together is supposed to be un-imagineable?
it happens all the time in the tech industry, the automotive industry, etc. this is common knowledge to anyone with a remotely passing interest in tech.
a "conspiracy" just means 2 or more people working towards a common goal. calling something a "conspiracy" does not make it any less credible.
>da joos
as i said earlier: literal redditor-speak. inorganic marketing shill who sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>106253852
indians love to imply you're a 'schizo' if you notice their plots and schemes. the continuance of all their grifts depends on people not noticing what they're up to.

>>106253802
>cold corporations only care about money
>scare quotes 'courage'
>more salty tears
>>106253847
>blatant grift
>>106253838
>I *must* upgrade my phone because... DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH
...okay
>>106253913
>ur a reditor, "inorganic marketing shill" if you don't believe in global conspiracies spanning dozens of large device manufacturers from dozens of countries

it's funny how one jack-off goes "I MUST BUY NEW PHONES BECAUSE THEY GO STALE" and the others go "boo hoo corporate greed I don't want to buy new tech"
can you like talk to each other lmao

>>106253952
>>I *must* upgrade my phone because... DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH
>...okay
I literally just listed a bunch of reasons. You just didn't read any of them.
You can try using an iPhone 4 today but I can spoil that for you right now; even with a new battery, that won't work well.

>>106253952
Not speaking for the others, but I use my shit until it breaks. That does not mean I am happy that because of the number of fuckwits that do just buy every new phone, that when I do have to buy a new phone, I will be forced to buy one without a headphone jack, or buy some dodgy chink phone that’ll die just as quick.

I am, unfortunately, not capable of reversing decades of consumerist brainrot by myself. And the internet is a shit place to convince people of anything

>>106253952
>cold corporations only care about money
anon...you don't genuinely believe a company is a singular entity that genuinely cares about you on a personal level do you? do you legitimately believe Apple loves you? please tell me you didn't buy into the marketing that hard.
they will do anything that makes them money and won't lead to lawsuits. and even then, they'll gladly do things that get them sued as long as the lawsuits and legal fees don't end up outweigh the point of whatever landed them there in the first place. a company exists to make money, what else are they for?

>>106253913
Holy cope. Wireless headphones are just a good product, simple as that.

>>106253952
you still haven't supplied even a single good reason phones shouldn't have headphone jacks anymore. lot of mental gymnastics for arguments that ultimately amount to "ok but like...? who cares tho"

>>106254034
Yeah they're great if you like earphones that sound worse, are limited by battery life, have to be charged, are prone to failure in less than 4 years, have latency out the ass, are more annoying to use, are worse for the environment, cost more and can't be used for as wide a variety of tasks. Sure, yeah they're fantastic.

>>106254008
>I literally just listed a bunch of generic whining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7okvpJ2UxM
seems like it's working pretty well for most things it was used for in 2010, you're full of shit
>>106254049
there's only one reason really, I'm not sure why it's so hard: bluetooth exists on all phones already

>>106254102
>seems like it's working pretty well for most things it was used for in 2010, you're full of shit
Well see that's the fun thing: it's not fucking 2010 anymore. The iPhone 4 can't handle just about any of the things you'd need it for in a modern context, which is kind of important because we live in a modern context.
You can't even download an app on the fucking thing anymore because none of them are compatible with the latest version of iOS that it supports. The camera is significant worse, there's no biometric authentication or virtual wallet, the battery is shot and you can't get it replaced anymore because they don't make iPhone 4 battery cells anymore and if you use an off-brand replacement you risk bricking the whole thing.
Even the video YOU LINKED said it likely won't even be able to make phone calls anymore pretty soon once the only cellular protocol it's compatible with is gone.
It would be highly impractical to use today and literally will not be usable at all very soon. Are you dumb?

>>106254102
>bluetooth exists on all phones already
and it's not good enough to replace aux for everybody. it's not an upgrade. that's the thing we've been trying to tell you retard.
why shouldn't phones have both bluetooth and aux? what do you gain from only having one of the two?

>>106254172
>and it's not good enough to replace aux for everybody
it is
>what do you gain from only having one of the two?
this is a very hard and complicated question
what DO you gain from removing useless physical redundancy
>>106254154
>it's not fucking 2010 anymore
that's right anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOyZhqCCa8k
but just 2014 6s iphone is still quite functional
and your shitty phone can survive without upgrade too
you still haven't told me ONE time you upgraded your phone because of application of planned obsolescence rather than the scary concept itself

>>106254323
>it is
it's not. the latency is terrible making them unusable for anything other than passive listening, and even for passive listening their audio quality is worse and they're limited by a battery meaning they can't be used for as long. it's easy to see why some people prefer them, but they're not objectively better for everyone universally.
>this is a very hard and complicated question
it's not. the answer is actually quite simple lol. you gain nothing from it. it does not benefit you in any tangible way.
>what DO you gain from removing useless physical redundancy
redundancy =/= uselessness. in fact, redundancy is often a good thing. this is one of those situations where redundancy = choice and fallback. which benefits the consumer.
now please answer the question, why is it imperative that we only choose between one of the two?

>>106254323
>but just 2014 6s iphone is still quite functional
>and your shitty phone can survive without upgrade too
Beside the point. The point is that you are going to have to upgrade eventually. These things can't last forever. The iPhone 4 is only 4 years older than the 6s, meaning in 4 years the 6s will be where the 4 is now. What then?
>you still haven't told me ONE time you upgraded your phone because of application of planned obsolescence rather than the scary concept itself
I literally just did, twice actually. I don't buy new phones annually, only once they become practically unusable, and that mostly happens because it is not in the manufacturer's best interest to mitigate the rate at which electronics become obsolete. Meaning no matter what, you're going to have to upgrade eventually.

Why do you hate headphone jacks so much? Why is it so important that you never see one again?

>>106254323
>bro if you want a headphone jack just use a sketchy chinkshit noname brand or an iphone that's right on the verge of death bro it's not that big a deal
do have a boot fetish or something

>>106254066
Wired headphones are not lasting anywhere near as long definitely not even 2 years, if you’re really listening to music more than 10 hours a day you need a dedicated device anyway. That’s a crazy amount.
>cost more
And are better in every way and last longer..

>>106254526
>Wired headphones are not lasting anywhere near as long definitely not even 2 years
If you use cheapshit skullcandies or the free earbuds that came in the box with the phone sure. If you use a good pair of headphones they can last decades, not just years. My mom still has a pair of aux headphones from the 90s and she's been using them non-stop since then.
>if you’re really listening to music more than 10 hours a day you need a dedicated device anyway.
Not really. 10 hours is reasonable for a cellphone to handle. Even if you do have a dedicated music player, why should you have to have multiple separate headphones for that and your phone?
>That’s a crazy amount.
Not for background listening at a reasonable volume. Not if you're a music enthusiast.
>>cost more
>And are better in every way and last longer..
They don't last as long and come with many compromises.

>>106254526
>if you’re really listening to music more than 10 hours a day
plenty of people do as background noise while they work.

>Wired headphones are not lasting anywhere near as long definitely not even 2 years
i mod all my headphones to have replaceable cords the day i buy them. takes 5 mins. plenty of headphones already have this. yes lets get rid of cords because of a problem that is solved by 13 cents of parts. retard.

>>106254049
its a marketing shill. he's from india. one of the dalits who can't code so he has to do this.
>I have just the reality, sorry

>>106254608
even if it's a shill he's still worth arguing with. otherwise his shilling goes unaddressed and any neutral bystanders hear all the arguments without hearing the counter arguments.

>>106254624
i don't think continued discussion of 3.5 ports does anything at this point because all the reasons why its good have been stated many times already.
but this thread definitely can serve to educate newfags and bystanders on how prevalent shills are on this board.
ironically the way the shills try to pull the wool over peoples' eyes is by acting like the notion it would be worth anyone's time to shill big ticket electronics on a widely read message board is absurd. when we all know they're worthless subhuman dalits who work for less than a dollar an hour and eat cow shit as a delicacy.

>>106254401
>Why do you hate headphone jacks so much? Why is it so important that you never see one again?
it's literally a conspiracy, I'm being paid human money to argue with you on this shitty board
it's in no way connected to reality and objective facts
it's very important for big tech corporations that a dozen dweebs on /g/ stop using headphone jacks which is why I, dark brown indian dalit from south india, am arguing with these dweebs for money
I can never defeat the sole great argument available for jack which goes "why not", so I'm forced to admit defeat

>>106253732
>He doesn't know about the 10 or 5 series

>>106242020 (OP)
Xcover 7 (not pro) still has it.

Fuck Samsung for removing it in pro!

>>106242020 (OP)
Personally, I’ve been using wireless headphones since before the rush, because I liked connecting them to my computer and then being able to sperg out around my house while flapping my hands and listening to video game soundtracks. I would like for my phone to have the jack mainly because wired earbuds are much more convenient than the wireless variety if I’m going to watch something quickly. However, my headphones last for 80 hours and I only charge them once every two months. I’ve never had a single issue: whats the big deal?

>>106251540
even though they don't

>>106254754
yes your life is literally so worthless that it is INDUSTRY STANDARD, REGULAR BUSINESS PRACTICE to pay you esl retards to shit up our board.
are you suggesting that an INDUSTRY STANDARD BUSINESS PRACTICE is a "conspiracy theory"?

>>106242020 (OP)
I haven't bought a phone without a 3.5 port since smart phones have been a thing. Maybe don't buy iphones, fag.

>>106256404
you should be upset that you have fewer options than you did in the past even if you haven't (yet) caved and bought a phone that doesn't have a headphone jack