Thread 106242800

Why is working on cars so fucking impossible compared to computers? If something breaks, you have to order a hyper specific part for your exact make model and year from boomer car parts dot com and wait like two weeks. Then when you actually have to replace the part everything is fucking impossible to get to inside the engine compartment, all the nuts are weird fucking sizes that you never have a wrench for. Plus everything is greasy and sharp so you're just fucking up your hands as you try to unscrew a bolt in an impossible to reach area.

Compare this to computers, if something breaks you order a new part on amazon and just plug the sucker in. I see people put modern PSUs and GPUs in computers that are nearly 20 years old. So many things are cross compatible and just easy to install.

Why is it like this? Why are cars so hard to work on? It honestly just feels anti-consumer.

I know this could be considered an /o/ thread, but I felt /g/ was a better fit because the focus is on the ease of repairing certain technologies rather than just cars.

Computers were designed from the start to be user assembled and upgradable with off the shelf parts, with parts designed to be compatible with all manufacturers.
Cars were not built this way as a product, and were instead designed to be minimally changed, repaired or serviced by the consumer, and since the amount of companies making cars was actually fairly small and there weren’t any big manufacturers collectively calling the shots on standardization, they all became very different very fast.

>Cars are a pain in the ass to maintain
DBT figured this out long ago. Come home, white man.

>>106242800 (OP)
computers don't move

>>106242800 (OP)
Elon could've done this but he fell for the electric meme. The future is renewable hydrocarbons.

>>106242857
I don't want a head injury that badly.
https://youtu.be/kHDFN2w10Hg

Seriously though, if I didn't have to worry about all the retards on the road, or if I lived somewhere like Vietnam where everyone rides a bike, I'd get a motorcycle. The only other issue is that where I live it's cold and snowy for 5 months out of the year.

>>106242874
Surly you could make an electric car that's easy to repair right? Tesla is the exact opposite though, I think if you try to work on your Tesla Elon will brick your car.

>>106242800 (OP)
Well, I’ve been thinking about this for a while, and I think some of your points are valid and some aren’t. to keep it short there’s not much standardization for say a distributor as there is for ddr4 ram for example, also lately people have not been working on their cars as much it seems so there’s less collective knowledge. greasy and sharp complaint, grow a pair. if you want a taste of repairable cars get a good vw bug and the book “how to keep your volkswagen alive” by john muir.

>>106242911
Truly green sustainable electric cars would use lead-acid batteries. They're completely recyclable and don't create pollution unless third worlders throw them in rivers.

>>106242800 (OP)
OEM patents and the "throwaway" car. No aftermarket can really develop unless they allow it to develop. Look up Ford and the throwaway car concept from the 1970s. It'll explain why the Japanese were able to overtake US manufacturing pretty easily because they didn't abide by the concept. Now, they gloss over this fact in business schools and try to say it was all management oriented when it was always the method to forced planned obsolescence.

>>106242928
>greasy and sharp complaint, grow a pair.

It's just fucking annoying. The grease gets in the cut so there isn't too much bleeding which makes it less annoying, but now my hand is covered in cuts because I had to squeeze my hand into a tiny gap to unscrew a bolt that was on the backside of my engine so I could get to my spark plugs. It's not so much the bleeding or the cuts as it is how hard everything is to get to.

Ordering a car part doesn't take two weeks. It takes a couple of days and you can pick the part up from the store. Nuts are completely standard sizes.

You're right that lots of things are hard to reach or require tools that are too specific to make easy to reach.

>>106242931
Aren't there new batteries that use salt or something like that? They're not as good as lithium ion batteries, but they don't burst into balls of hellfire randomly.

>>106242931
>Lead Acid Battery
Cycles, weight, and energy density issues
>>106242911
>Tesla is the exact opposite
Tesla is the definition of products as a service. They're worse than John Deere. It all boils down to Right to Repair vs copyright and patent abuses. There's currently a class action against Tesla.

>>106242931
Those don't hold a significant enough charge. Also there's rare but common sense problems like how lead acid batteries won't really recharge if you drain them completely.

>>106242962
Sodium-ion batteries aren't actually cheaper than lithium-ion batteries because they are shorter lived. You have to pay to replace them more often, and this won't improve with technology. They also don't work in the cold worth a damn. The reason some countries are interested in them is because of geo-strategic reasons. There's more suppliers for materials from around the world. They are basically not good in every other respect.

>>106242800 (OP)
Car parts are actually less specific than you think.
It's actually not in the best interest of the automaker to keep stock of every part for every car so there is lots of reuse.

For example a certain year range of vehicles may use the same parts between models. You can actually see it with things like interior switches, every car from a certain year and make might share those same switches.

Some parts do end up hyperspecific but most of them aren't, it would literally be impossible for auto parts stores to operate should things like waterpumps, alternators, distributors, coils, etc all be specific for each vehicle.

It's actually amazing how much cross pollination there is between makes even.

>>106242800 (OP)
>It honestly just feels anti-consumer.
no shit Einstein. zoomers can't change a fucking tire let alone repair anything. there's no usecase for you going into the engine compartment.

>>106242962
>salt batteries
Sodium Ion, yes.
A workable flow battery vehicle would be a more ideal approach because of range, charging speed, and safety.
https://www.nanoflowcell.com/research-development/application-research/mobility/quantino-twentyfive

>>106243067
Tires actually aren't that bad. It's quite easy to get a tire on and off once you get the car suspended.

>>106242800 (OP)
proprietary parts, cost of tools, storage space for said tools, space required to work on a large object and the biggest one of course the knowledge reqs which are non standard and constantly changing
i for one will welcome the future of not owning/maintaining/parking/insurance-gas-license-registration of the future where we hail a ride from a self driving vehicle. one of the only instances where not owning makes sense. automobiles are a gigantic fucking ripoff

>>106242800 (OP)
many good answers in this thread but it can all summed up into one word: jews

>>106242800 (OP)
You change the brake oil, battery and the tires once in a while. What else do you want?

>>106243333
checked truth

>>106242954
>Ordering a car part doesn't take two weeks. It takes a couple of days and you can pick the part up from the store.
Let me guess the extent of car parts you've ordered is random aftermarket crap for your Honda Civic

>>106243363
I had to replace spark plugs today and it pissed me off.

>>106243282
>I want to own nothing and be happy
“Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Sallust
>Freedom
>Dependence
Pick one. A brave new world is always convenient.

>>106242952
yeah some new cars make shit annoying, it sucks, but there’s little incentive to make maintenance easier. I have a 4cyl honda from 1994, it’s not all that bad for maintenance. plugs are right there

>>106242800 (OP)
I am gradually transitioning from computer guy to Car Guy and it's definitely a learning curve but some of the skills I have with computers have managed to transfer over, mostly the troubleshooting type stuff and a little bit of wiring.

>>106243542
>I am gradually transitioning from computer guy to Car Guy
Why?

>>106243542
>transitioning
Be both. It's not a binary decision. Also, cars also have computers, so learning that side of it would be very useful, especially reverse engineering section of it. Sadly, I can't find the thread about it at the moment.
>>106244534
The expansion of your skillset should always be sought for self-sufficiency.

>>106242800 (OP)
/o/ is that way, anon
Just ask them about it, it's not so hard

>>106242800 (OP)
>If something breaks, you have to order a hyper specific part for your exact make model and year from boomer car parts dot com and wait like two weeks.
Bro, just make it work. It's fine.

https://youtu.be/uE9ubm_uC40?si=apzhy-Y0q8bjqQmx&t=2697

>>106244576
>Be both. It's not a binary decision. Also, cars also have computers, so learning that side of it would be very useful, especially reverse engineering section of it. Sadly, I can't find the thread about it at the moment.
You need to be both if you own a Buick Reatta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osetwBLP6wA