Thread 106243940

why is the price of 8TB SSDs stuck forever and not dropping?

>>106243940 (OP)
It's because you want one. Once you stop giving a fuck, the price will drop.

it'll go down eventually

>>106243940 (OP)
storage flash chip prices fluctuate. there's no guarantee prices will drop permanently. 8TB NVME is still a niche product and they charge you for that also.

anon, your filename glows

remember they might run out of stock so buy some now or you might miss out this could be the cheapest 8tb ssd ever the price will only go up buy it NOW

>>106243968
It's a shame there's no way of enforcing antitrust/penalising anticompetitive behaviour internationally, because there is literally a cartel in South Korea price-fixing the cost of NAND by deliberately suppressing production.
eg. About a year ago Lexar NM790 4tb were selling for about 250 AUD, and now they're 400, which is fucking horseshit.

>>106244186
they usually go in cycles of trying to kill each other when one switches to a new manufacturing process then agreeing that was a mistake cutting production
so we also get lows that are below what is profitable. it has its upsides if you're patient.

>>106243940 (OP)
They have actually dropped quite a bit. They used to all be around $800 and now you can pick them up for around $500.

>>106243940 (OP)
Use case for a 8tb nvme SSD?

>>106244432
Storing data

>>106244436
What data exactly? It's not like you're running a datacenter.

>>106244458
various bits. organized, unsorted, no frogs officer.

>>106244470
Talking of frogs, someone should make a pepe datacenter.

>>106244436
>>106244458
Why does this 8tb of data need to be available at 7Gbps speeds?

>>106244546
>No one needs more than 640k

>>106244546
it just does

>>106244546
it is many small files i need FULL IO permissions for this mission

>>106244546
For me it's less about the speed and more about the physical size

>>106244546
8k video editing

>>106243940 (OP)
get a job and you'll have one in two weeks.
stop being poor

>>106243940 (OP)
>buy cheap ssd
>write performance goes to absolute shit the more i fill the drive

>>106245279
I have a 1TB Samsung 980 Pro and it lost 2-3GB/s of sequential read after getting halfway full (iflag=direct, 4MB reads). I think this applies to all SSDs except for Optane

>>106243940 (OP)
Pay up piggy.

the real question is why are server NVMEs so damn chunky

>>106243940 (OP)
price fixing by the azn chip cartels

>>106243940 (OP)
because general data centers and ai data centers are hogging all resources right now.

>>106243940 (OP)
I get them at a larger discount than large companies buying in massive bulk.

You just have to have the proper connections ;p

>>106244186
>there is literally a cartel in South Korea price-fixing the cost of NAND by deliberately suppressing production
rocketman kim would have fixed it

The annoying thing is the sata ssd costs the same
I don't need the nvme speed or m2 form factor but I would like the sata ssd speeds and no moving parts

>>106245319
TLC nand was a mistake

>>106245344
because theres 16x more nand in that thing

>>106244458
Hundreds of games with mods. The entire steam library, all settings saved, all progress saved, all mods configured. You can also run LLMs entirely on flash if speed doesn't matter. R1 alone = 800 GB (double that with 16 bit weights), etc. Easily + 2 more TB

>>106245344
>BiCS6
Micron, SK Hynix and Samsung literally can't compete

>>106246366
Because high end SATA is a dead end market

>>106244432
It stores twice as much data as a 4tb nvme SSD, so I can store the contents of two 4tb drives on one physical drive. This is critical because motherboards are extremely limited in m.2 slots, especially so for SFF machines. This way I can store my data in only ~2 m.2 slots. Otherwise I'd need 3-4 slots.

>>106244458
>What data exactly?
Binary, mostly.

>>106243940 (OP)
according to companies, because there is a situation. Any situation, anywhere in the world, it doesn't really matter what situation it is, but companies will blame that situation and keep prices the same or raise them. For an example, prices rose on food products in many European countries because of the ukraine war, despite hardly anything being sourced from ukraine or russia, or even going through their waters.

>>106246492
>there is a situation

>>106246492
>For an example, prices rose on food products in many European countries because of the ukraine war, despite hardly anything being sourced from ukraine or russia, or even going through their waters.

Ukraine is one of the worlds largest exporters of grain. The war made that export drop significantly, which means that grain prices increase worldwide as the overall supply is lower while the demand is the same. So even though Europe did not import ukrainian grain, the food prices increased because the global supply decreased.
(also European countries even had to outright ban or tax Ukrainian grain because it was cheap crap and put local producers out of business)

>>106243940 (OP)
Because all of the skilled and knowledgeable yet unemployed Americans have not yet gotten together to start to manufacture them here in the U.S.

>>106246686
prices rose for all products across the board, not just grain. Even locally produced potato prices rose because of the ukraine war.

>>106246735
And thats odd because why? Food is still just food and grain supply going down means people who can, switch to alternate foods since demand for food is still the same. Its not like grain supply going down means the former buyers all starve to death.

>cases have space for 4-6+ HDD
>there are plenty of 20TB drives available
>motherboards only have 2-3 nvme slots (and sometimes shared with gpu pcie)
>you can only find 2tb nvme or 4tb overpriced

>>106244546
the faster the better nigger

>>106247938
personally I don't like fast niggers

>>106245319
samsung has turned to shit, kc3000 does not have this issue

>>106243967
If I went back in time to 1956 with my 12 TB hard drive they would give me 1.2 trillion dollars for it?

>>106248044
yes, but they would just try to steal it or kill you first

>>106246735
Yeah, because Europe has a huge power deficit due to all the green retards shutting down the nuclear plants (look up how aggressively Germany is trying to unearth the remains of its fossil fuel), so we had to use large portion of our power needs using russian gas and oil. And with that locked off for political reasons, the only alternative is either rolling blackouts (this was planned at some point) and/or importing gas via tankers from the US which is stupidly expensive (and papa trump is using that as his ace in the tax wars).

So power prices hiked way up, affecting every single industry across the board.

>>106247020
I could buy two 8TB enterprise drives for €350 each on the used marketplace, they both have ~100TB written but that's nothing since they have several petabytes endurance.

>>106243940 (OP)
8TB is basically a capacity where only people who really want it will get it. And they'll be willing to pay the premium for it.

doesn't SanDisk make a 256 TB for a.i. stuff?

>>106243940 (OP)
they literally cut production of NAND chips to make price go up because the profit margins weren't high enough before, they announced that they were doing this. It's allowed because we live in a judaized shithole "society".

>>106243940 (OP)
>why is the price of 8TB SSDs stuck forever and not dropping?
every single company which produces them has been caught in the past (most of them multiple times) for price fixing
but this time? surely it's just an accident. transistors went on strike and are twice as expensive as 2 years ago

>>106248044
your own government would torture you over it for months or years

>>106243967
Hdds went from $78/10gb to $111/10gb. You can't out-manufacture this inflation rate.

pcie storage is annoying because we're still getting big gains from gens so older manufacturing get deprecated
i'd happily pay for a 10gb gen 3 drive if it cost the same as a 2gb gen 5 one
hopefully we've hit the wall now where there's no practical use for 99% of the market to go past gen 4/5 and we start seeing longer term production

>>106243940 (OP)
because i keep buying all of them, pushing demand
get on my level pleb

>>106248275
That's not for you.

>>106243940 (OP)
Nand cartel slowed down production to maximize profit

>>106247020
>motherboards only have 2-3 nvme slots
Mine has 5
Also you can always by pcie extension cards

>>106244432
Same as 512 KB Floppy storage

>>106244720
Then get spinning platter for way cheaper....

>>106243952
I can't stop needing more space, motherfucker.

>>106244186
Oh no! Looks like there was another fire in the nand plant. I guess this is going to hurt supply, and we're going to have to jack up the prices.

>>106246492
>there is a situation
>we use that situation to justify keeping prices high
>people still buy our products because consumers are retarded
>???
>profit
Based!

bump

>>106249116
Yeah and maybe someone will resurrect Optane.

>>106243940 (OP)

is special storage

it is possible that you could go to brick and mortar and request one platter 10k rpm hdd and they might eventually find one

>>106249116
>pcie storage is annoying
YES
YES IT IS

WE NEVER NEEDED IT
WE ARE NOT ENTERPRISE

>>106248044

is 1956 12 TB is no value to them

>>106249116

bigger number better joke

you need something they practically mail it to you

if you no need it will cost you real money

>>106243940 (OP)
I didn't know these were a thing. Just ordered one OP, thanks for being poor!

>>106244749
Not even Hollywood bothers with 8k and neither are you

>>106252995
>passive agressive tone
Who asked you

>>106243940 (OP)
qvo sata used to be 2100 kr now its 5200 kr

>>106252995

these are great like foodstamps

>>106243940 (OP)
the only reason I'd bother moving to HDD for mass storage is because modern high capacity HDDs are so noisy (easily the loudest thing in my home server).

otherwise, 2TB is plenty for a boot drive.

I've been eyeing the 8tb Samsung 9100 releasing Q4 this year, but really all I want from it is that its 8tb in 1 nvme stick, is there any more ssds like this

>>106253709
Gonna buy 4 for my pcie m.2 expansion card and move my GPU down to my second slot since it doesn't really need extra lanes.

>>106253709
If you're not married to the m.2 form factor there are absolutely e1s, u2 and u3 drives around which offer capacities of several dozen TB. Granted they cost like >$10k each, but they exist.

>>106243940 (OP)
Because they all use the same chips. Double or quadruple the capacity means double or quadruple the amount of chips.

>>106243940 (OP)
Think about the amount of content generated daily by 8 billion humans and how much storage it requires. It's impressive that the Koreans can keep up with demand

>>106253709
The 4tb 9100s are good, i stuck 4 of them on a pcie card

>>106253448
Yes they do.

> t. freelance videographer in Hollywood, CA

>>106244458
Son, I do videography work and everyone and their uncle wants it shot in 4K. I can blast through a 2TB SDD in less than hour.

>>106254851
There isn't a single film that has an 8k workflow and they use proxies for editing anyway.

>>106245344
they are made to be written 3-6 times per day.
as in entire drive writes per day, for the duration of the warranty.

>>106253448
Isn't IMAX like theoretically 16k or some bullshit?

>>106243940 (OP)
Two main reasons, first AI has pretty much gobbled the entire demand for high capacity flash, keeping prices high (bursting the AI bubble would theoretically crash flash prices among other things), second flash manufacturers are very open about the fact they slow down their production to keep their prices high and somehow every flash manufacturer does that at the same time

>>106243940 (OP)
4TB's are the same.

>>106243940 (OP)
smell good!

>>106254863
Oh ho ho, you tell that to the jew with money that doesn't even know what 8k is but knows that it's the good one.

Literally, dozens of SDD drives, and you need to bring a server with you and have an assistant that runs the drives over and dumps the data every 2 hours or so or you run out. It's not uncommon to have to send a PA to the local Best Buy and buy you a new one either so you can add an extra into the mix.

>>106254863
>>106256581
And sometimes you're contracted to hold onto the footage for X amount of time as a backup. I know guys with six foot tall gun chests that are just filled with TB SDDs of random footage from like a frickin' Snoop Dogg music video or something.

>>106255570
I fully agree, it's a fucking worlwide cartel.
Hard to come by trhis.

What is swirling around my head since long is, if one could build your own large capacity SSD in a 3,5 inch form factor.
I mean the NAND chips are available to buy and you can also buy controllers and the other stuff.
The PCB can be designed with CAD and manufactured / ordered at PCB-Way or some other.

The only question is, how many NAND-Chips can a single controller handle. If you run this stuff on a low voltage, temps and energy consumption would be much lower than with a bunch of high capacity HDD's.

>>106244186
>Lexar NM790 4tb were selling for about 250 AUD,
They were using chink nand back then, of course it was cheaper lmao.

huh? the price of technology halves every year, it's moloch's law