Thread 106247364

Is this technology evil?
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/silicon-valley-high-iq-children-764234f8

No. We need you out of the breeding pool OP

>>106247364 (OP)
eugenics? nah, pair bonding is all about finding a suitable mate and rejecting the inferior

Yes, you basically end up with a new aristocracy, where the richest are able to afford their children an even bigger advantage than they already have.

Just like in olden times when the peasants were all physically weaker and dumber than the nobles due to their malnutrition.

>>106247364 (OP)
Yes it is demonic

>>106247364 (OP)
>tries to force smart kid to do what you want
>surprised when they end up a purple haired tranny furfag making strangely good EDM and working a couple shitty part time jobs

>>106247422
As fucked as this is, if you could garrantee your future children we're genius you would.

>>106247422
Arent all technology unaffordable as new? Your television, phone, cars, electricity, running water, ac, etc

Why didnt those lead to a new class of aristocracy where the poor were locked out of technology?

>>106247667
The world would be a better place if we had more gay furry musicians.

>make nigger babies smarter
>they're still dumber than your average white incel

>>106247364 (OP)
the practice of eugenics is as old as the universe. Darwin was a huge proponent and claimed that enforcing eugenics would cure the world from many diseases in less than two generations.

>>106247364 (OP)
based

>>106247735
its more like spending $50k to increase 15 IQ points for your kid, still quite worth it if demonstrably real tech

>>106247364 (OP)
>Nazi eugenics bad
>nerds from California eugenics good

>>106249376
Fun fact, the Nazis were actually inspired in their ways by Americans. And California nerds are the best and brightest of America, so there you go.

>murdering undesirable babies good
>selectively breeding desirable babies bad
what a strange inversion of ethics

>>106247364 (OP)
They should use AI instead of modifying babies.

>>106249402
Foids only hate this because they realize they'll be gate kept from relationships with more successful men.
Realistically it's a moot point anyway since female IQ distribution is more populated around the mean, so a male with an IQ of 130+ is incredibly unlikely to find a woman that matches his own IQ.

>>106247364 (OP)
Yes. STEMniggers truly believe THIS time is different and sky daddy won’t do shit to their tower of babel

>>106247422
stop being dumb. rich people are still pleb. there's a few psychos really running the planet. and it isn't the nerds.
the general rule with tech and rich people is they get it first. not forever exclusive. I'm fine with that. it's part of the game and makes shit work.

>>106249472
You’re correct but you you left out the part where the rich people think they’re apart of the few (((chosen))) so they actively work to suppress plebs not knowing they themselves are plebs

>>106247422
an aristocracy of conquerors earned their position, their descendants only earn it to the extent they maintain their position. this could create an aristocracy unlike past aristocracies. it would "earn" its position each generation but it is somehow still less dynamic since they would be coming from the families that pursued this
well unless it they allowed it become ubiquitous or couldnt stop the spread of it

>>106249402
They kill babies because Moloch demands it. They resist eugenics because their genes have no place in such a world.

This is how we get Jew-Asian Elliot Rogers.

>>106247364 (OP)
No, people can have children with whoever they want for whatever reason they see fit.

>>106247422
>"It's bad because it leads to inequality"
Right so I should be allowed to steal your stuff and send it to some random bum in India. I've reduced inequality therefore I've done well, is that right?

>>106249728
wat

It's bad because it ensures generations of Bezos and Zuckerbergs will continue to rule the world while your family will be doomed to be their peasants for eternity.

>>106249402
creating life = it will impact others and they will know it
destroying life = doesnt ever impact anyone no provable impact to something that didnt exist

to kill... to kill babies is zen

>>106249744
i do not care. my family ends with me. and furthermore we weren't hot stuff nor smart it's a miracle we made it this far. i'm on 4chan you fucking idiot surely that's a sign.

>>106247944
Because that's not how reality works and that anon is delusional. But you already knew that and chose to try arguing with a kid on /g/ knowing full-well that nobody cares if you bring well reasoned arguments to the table.

>>106249647
shit leaks, and people already design their organisms at their homes:
https://youtu.be/10OUPyamn1w
https://youtu.be/ib-D1EelH4Y
It might get "regulated" but doesn't mean it won't happen in other places. don't think it's an issue.

>>106249744
people wipe randomly, or are killed, or just proceed to completely fuck their life up. there's no guarantee for anything, and you're talking about something which would need tens of generations to become an issue. there's other things that will change way before reaching that point.

>>106247391
Doesn't seem to be working very well in the modern context.

>>106249784
it's already an issue, social mobility gets worse and worse every year while a tiny group of elites amassed an absolutely insane amount of wealth
genetic modification will make it even worse

>>106249816
I say let them test the alpha version and by the time it comes to poorfags bugs have already been ironed out

>>106249744
So who exactly should be put in charge of deciding who gets to have babies with who, and using which methods?

>>106249816
Poor people aren't owed the fruits of other people's labour just cause they're poor. It doesn't matter how much inequality there is.

>>106247422
>you basically end up with a new aristocracy
sperm is abundant and therefore affordable

>>106249744
Going to be funny when these self appointed lords end up getting killed by their own offspring because they're able to clearly see what demons their parents are.

>>106249929
I think if they are clear-sighted they would simply cut them out of their lives and be done with it. Why kill them lol?

>>106249376
nazis ruined eugenics for everyone, people have spent a century basically pretending that humans are the one exception to evolution because it's evil to think otherwise.
once the technology exists to select genes we know lead to lower rates or disease and higher intelligence, obviously people who can afford to do so are going to to give their kids the best chances in life.

>>106247364 (OP)
It's all a projection of my consciousness. You all don't exist the way you think you do. Objectivity is a farce, until I walk out that door it's all illusion. Only the God and Jesus would know the difference, maybe Moses cause the burning bush proves the illusory nature. Stop taking everything so seriously, Artificial Intelligence is still full of countless errors and basic mathematics fuckups CHAT GPT THINKD THERES 8 DAYS IN A WEEK STILL
YOU GOYSLOP DESERVE TO BE FORCIBLY CHIPPED SMARTPHONE SLAVES GETTING READY FOR THE DILDO RAMMED UP YOUR ASS FROM MOSSAD
FREE PALESTINE

>>106249939
Control over their parents' resources. Obviously they'd have to kill the parents in a way that doesn't connect back to them but being superior beings, that should be doable.

>>106250022
Ah, I made the classic blunder of assuming smarter people are more ethical. I don't know why.

>>106249970
Yes, people can pearl clutch and virtue signal all they want but when the option is available, it will be widely used. Iceland already eliminated Downs Syndrome. As other conditions are detectable, they'll be added to the abort list. It is important to note that not all conditions will be easily selected against. Downs was one of the first because of the ease with which it can be detected.

>>106249929
Why would they overthrow a system that is entirely geared to benefit them?

>>106250032
Understandable as smarter people are able to use their greater intelligence to appear more ethical.

>>106250056
Who said anything about overthrowing a system? If Zuck has some 350 IQ children, they only have to kill him and their mother to gain control over Zuck's empire. They don't have to overthrow the system that enables the empire to exist because, as you pointed out, that system benefits them.

>>106247364 (OP)
you don't want to see the transhumanists utopia because thats the commie hell they have been working on for over 200 years. Read Brave new world for a taste of how they imagine their future.

>>106250083
or they can just wait until they inherit everything
whats the point?

>>106247364 (OP)
>get rid of White men from Silicon Valley
>replace them with subhuman chinks & pajeets
>"where are the geniuses"

>>106247364 (OP)
progenics isn't really eugenic culling of the lesser, so it's fine.

>>106249890
>implying most individuals with real money earned it (and continue to earn it) with the sweat of their own brows
>implying the poors do not deserve to benefit from the social contract of modern society
>implying the working poor doesn't create the actual value that the wealthy flaunt in all of our faces
real based take desu

>>106250043
> they will determine that critical thinking is a "disorder" because of how it hurts social harmony as well as creating antisocial behaviors.
>plebs will be bred into utter cattle even more incapable of thinking
>elites will of course have spent decades honing ever more aware/smart genetics and will go on treating their caste as different
Above plus a few dozen other caste-based psychological and neurological attributes
>agi will kill us all before it gets too far at least

>>106247364 (OP)
No. Why wouldn't you want your kid to be smarter. It gives them a better chance at having a good life. Everyone should be using it eventually.

>>106247364 (OP)
No and efforts to make it seem evil are a psyop by bioethicists who get icked out too easily. No seriously, one of the leading bioethicists gets icked out by people eating ice cream cones in public

>>106247369
>>106247364 (OP)
Aristocrats used to marry their peers. Nothing new.

>>106249744
>while your family
Speak for yourself. My family is doing this too.

>>106250061
smart doesn't define an understanding road. if you're smart and surrounded with pieces of shit you'll probably end up a smart piece of shit yourself. smartness allows to figure out stuff on your path. sort of shit in shit out thing.
you need exposure to variation, for that intelligence to do proper work for you. stay in a bubble and you'll miss out on important datapoints

>>106250197
>what is well poisoning
that still doesn't mean there isn't something good on that path. that's just brainlet logic.

>Raise high IQ kids
>Mortality rate of rich parents skyrockets
That's worst case scenario but instead they'll probably just get kids who will quickly outsource any emotional needs of their parents to cheap labour strangers while transferring any generating wealth to themselves with fake smiles and brown-nosing.

Meanwhile the babyboomer with a cashier daughter visits several times a week and brings baked goods along with recent gossip and some grandchildren.

>>106247422
The same people that oppose smart babies are the same people that are part of the aristocracy. They secretly want the technology for themselves.

>>106247422
Assuming the strongest AI models are that good, is it any different that they are gatekept at 200USD/Month? Only the first world can afford this.

>>106247422
But the goal is for this technology to be incredibly cheap for the masses.
That's what capitalism does every single time
Why do you retards deny human history

>>106249744
>billionaires bad
>government good
You people are midwit bootlickers

>>106252327
Yeah, let me buy my own airplane for $5. Everything can be magically made super cheap.

>>106247364 (OP)
No. It's just another scam.
IQ is a meaningless number.
and DNA is not a magical recipe you can fiddle with to create the perfect human.

>>106247364 (OP)
They will start thinking "usr case for gender?" "Use case for reproduction?" And troon out.
Happened to Elon's son.

>>106252148
dunno man I now have local LLMs that do shit I wouldn't have dreamed of 3 years ago. all thanks to all the slop consoomers paying premium service.

>>106252341
there's $5 plane tickets tho

>>106247364 (OP)
Smarter people is exactly what we need. Jews and other corrupt Elites can only rule over ignorant idiots with poor pattern recognition too stupid to notice their activities.

Stupidity and Cowardice are humanity's biggest problems right now, because if they were smart and courageous we wouldn't have any of our current problems in the world.

>>106249389
>And California nerds are the best and brightest of America, so there you go.
the straight white male ones yea

>>106252836
Where?
And it's just a piece of paper proving your enslavement to the airlines anyway.

>>106252875
And I say this predicated on the article saying it will only cost tens of thousands of dollars to have this done, meaning it will be available to much of the general public, even if you have to take out a loan.

>>106249890
It’s a lot easier to give them some money than deal with their corpses when they starve. Probably cheaper too, cause you get to steal their income in increasingly clever ways

>>106250043
You cannot eliminate Downs Syndrome, it’s a spontaneous mutation. What they do, is terminate babies after screening for Downs Syndrome. There are also a lot of genetic disorders that only present themselves if triggered by an infection or similar. If you’re advocating for gunning down people with disorders in the street, you do you, but eugenics presupposes a good understanding of genetics and how they affect outcomes, and ignores epigenetic expression where genes are suppressed or activated based on environmental cues. At best we end up with the human equivalent of pugs

>>106250762
Overproduction of elites results in revolutions. Too many smart people devalues their intelligence, and they get restless

Retards = bad
ASAT

>>106252952
>You cannot eliminate Downs Syndrome
they just did it with CRISPR

>>106252960
no such issue. the smarter and self sufficient, and access to resources, the less stress. I wouldn't give a fuck to be a smart chad in a world of smart chads. all that "but we need ugly people for contrast" is pure bullshit.

>>106247364 (OP)
This won't create geniuses.
This will create super autism.

>>106253031
>super autism
Now weaponize it.

>>106252981
Treating a disease isn’t eugenics, and this won’t stop babies from being born with Downs in future. Eugenics is specifically genetic refinement by applying breeding practices to humans (selecting mates, aborting children if they’re “bad eggs” so to speak).

>>106253055
tf does it matter what they're born with if they can be fixed?

>>106253075
If they’re fixed, it’s not eugenics. Eugenics specifically focuses on preventing children with genetic issues from being born in the first place. It doesn’t fix people once they’re born. It’s literally just breeding applied to humans. Prevent the ones with genetic issues from breeding, kill any children conceived by said people, and likewise for any children that show evidence of spontaneous genetic defects.

based
let's gattaca this shit up

>>106247944
Because China exists. And they'll democratize this shit again like what they did with caviar.

>>106250056
They won't. Newer gens of nepo babies just happen to have high chances of squandering their inherited wealth. All because they never worked hard for them like their parents.

>>106249970
One problem is that we do not have a perfect understanding of how nature and genes work. By selecting for certain genes with good traits you may also unknowingly be selecting for a bad trait as well. By selecting for higher intelligence you may also be accidentally be selecting for higher rates of schizophrenia for example.

>>106247735
In what possible way is that fucked?

>kids these days aren't autistic enough!
>we need more autistic babies!

children robbed of childhoods perform very poorly and usually end up childless

>>106249970
the problem with eugenics is that if you make 2 meter tall strong beautiful smart and without illness superhumans one day they will realize why they should listen to a manlet/woman/normal human ? time for genocide

>>106247422
why are we allowing this?

>>106252875
>Stupidity and Cowardice are humanity's biggest problems right now
Greed is the biggest problem in the world right now. Too many hoarding shit they do not need. Billionaires that have billions but yet want even more at the cost of everyone else.

>>106252333
Both suck, but if we can pull the claws the billionaires and lobbies have in the government away and make it more fair and representative maybe government will suck slightly less.

>>106247364 (OP)
How dare you have smart kids, only Somali immigrants should be having kids.

>>106247364 (OP)
They're trying to become Finnish?

>>106247364 (OP)
>>106247422
Isn't this literally just breeding more autistic children? India already had this with their caste system and look at what's happened there

>>106252893
Come to Europe.

>>106247982
... to make them smarter you have to give them White or Asian or Mesopotamian attributes.
It would not longer be black. Cuckholdry via science. I love science.

>>106247735
Guarantee

>>106247364 (OP)
And this is how you know the artickle is a bait. For fuck's sake

>>106247364 (OP)
Evil? No, it’s just a tool like anything else.
Projecting your own insecurities onto an unborn child and risking their health/life over it?
That’s a little morally sus, as your little zoomie might say to you once you they figure out what you did.

>>106249890
ppl aren't owed fruits of any kind labor, even if it's their own. they're only owed death. you do not like it, i do not like it, but it's what it is. anything else is a bio cope and social constructs.

>>106255730
>why aren't the poor, dumb and powerless stopping the rich, educated and powerful from doing things largely hidden from the public eye and not causing direct harm to anyone else?

>>106252827
It's really nowhere near any of the commercially available AI, I wasted too much money on local rigs instead of renting GPUs or paying closedAI

>>106247364 (OP)
how about using eugenics to remove crap like autoimmune diseases before trying to up """IQ"""

>progressivetards try to block gene editing because it's le heckin racist
>christcucks try to block gene editing because it's against their god
it's all so tiresome

>>106252910
YOU don't get to steal shit, goys income was promised to THEM 3 thousand years ago.

>>106257350
You can't. Biology doesn't work like that.

"""""Rationalist""""" morons trying to outsmart evolution are just going to create even more unlikable turbo spergs who get negative pussy.

>>106247364 (OP)
In the book Brave New World, the society is defined in classes (much like India and the UK), where the classes are selected at gestation (no one is born in the natural way anymore). So lower castes like the epsilons, deltas and gammas have their intelligence and height reduced by means of cutting their oxygen supply during gestation or by literally poisoning them.
This way the lower castes can be happy doing menial jobs while the alphas can focus on intellectual work.

This is already happening; most Americans are just Epsilons. Their mothers are poisoning them before they even have a chance with corn syrup and unhealthy diets and dumb them down with television and nigro culture.

Now Alphas just found a way to guarantee that they will have good children.

>>106252792
>low IQ thinks being smart causes trannydom
Pottery.

>>106259808
It's not being smart that causes it but smart+mutational load, autistic trannies are extremely high IQ.

>>106247364 (OP)
>let low iq shit skins take over your society
>they use your money and technology to make their children smarter so the take over is maintained
>lol is this evil


>>106249376

the fact that they arent being killed in the streets is whats evil. remember goy:

>eugenics when white people do it..... evil
>eugenics when nonwhites do it...... good :D

>>106247364 (OP)
>MFW my ethnicity has a well above average IQ (120IQ for the general population if you subtract the slaves descendants)
>MFW my mom has a random mutation that gave her a "genius" gene, boosting her IQ even further
>MFW she passed it on to my siblings (140IQ minimum each of them).
>MFW when I'm the only one that did not get this gene (IQ between 120 and 140)
>MFW when I am the only one with autism and adhd
>MFW my brothers will have genius daughters
>MFW my sisters will have genius children (boys and girls)
Good thing the nkvd and bolsheviks (the same people that are obsessed with this, really) drove us out of our ancestral homelands and directly to the brink of extinction :)

>Is this technology evil?
Technology is inherently evil.

>>106259755
>He doesn't know what cord clamping is

>>106252792
You have schizophrenia

>>106247422
>Just like in olden times when the peasants were all physically weaker and dumber than the nobles due to their malnutrition.
like today you mean

>>106247364 (OP)
These people need to revisit biology 101

>>106259949
the fact that you believe any of this is proof enough that you fall well below 120

>>106260868
:^)

>>106249647
>an aristocracy of conquerors earned their position, their descendants only earn it to the extent they maintain their position
Youre not wrong but what is fallacious about "passing on the torch" when it comes to dynasties is that the founders are only successful due to circumstances and those circumstances change drastically over time. A wealthy aristrocrat today could bio engineer the best child to their subjective tastes but those parameters might not be what is actually beneficial down the road. An example:

>sickle cell anemia is when someone's blood cells are not round but straight and prone to bursting
>It's generally considered a "bad" disease that is painful and shitty to live with
>Malaria, a very deadly disease spread by mosquitos, is the number one killer in sub saharan africa
>in conditions like that, having sickle cell anemia is actually beneficial since the weak blood cells make it harder for malaria to take hold
>A wealthy Nigerian genetically modifying their kids to not have sickle cell anemia could be writing their kids death sentences.

>>106260474
The food system is poisoned all around. Wealthy people can avoid it but must make an effort to do so. Poor people can avoid it but in different ways.