Thread 106247425

>learn to code
>learn to COPE
LOL

>>106247425 (OP)
Are coders genuinely mad about the field getting debloated?

>>106247536
Higher supply and lower demand means less compensation for coders

>>106247652
Coders were always overcompenstated anyway. I see no reason why someone typing a few lines of code a day should be paid anything over $50k a year.

>>106247425 (OP)
>165,000
That's the number of layoffs per year, not a salary you guys.
https://layoffs.fyi/

>>106247749
Your original question was why coders are mad about the field getting debloated. I hope I could provide a sufficient answer.

>>106247803
I didnt ask the question

>>106247749
okay tradie

>>106247425 (OP)
>Microsoft
>lay off workers and embrace A.I.
No, they just laid off American workers to import pajeets at a 60% price cut.

>>106247425 (OP)
I'm actually going to be selling roasted chicken at my mom's cuisine for two years while I still do nothing at my frontend job. I will have two jobs at the same time but I'm sure I'll do fine. Thanks AI!

>>106248056
I did that while in college, seeling cakes and breads.

>>106247425 (OP)
Strange how the opposite is true IRL

>>106247652
The IT space was already in a bubble and overhiring was extremely common. In response more people will move out of the IT space, meaning lower workforce supply

>>106247749
This you should get doctor/lawyer wages for this kind of work it's ridiculous

Tired old meme that tech == coding.

Captcha: WNK0M0

>>106247425 (OP)
literally no one has ever been fired because of ai

>>106247425 (OP)
I don't know why people are afraid of this. Nobody outside my team can understand what the fuck is going on in any sort of code. Maybe there will be a short downturn, then they'll come crawling back when, not if, things start breaking and getting hacked.

>>106247425 (OP)
Karma for trying to ruin artists.

>>106247749
your compensation depends not on how hard you work or how much value you produce, but how hard you are to replace

>>106247425 (OP)
Good, let it all collapse. Soon

Nothing I love more than watching the consistent and ongoing betrayal of the forming middle class, the rape of their children, their children's children, and the replacement of their cultural foundation by the import of cheap labor.

Best policy is to do the opposite of whatever is advertised. Learn to code? Nah, learn to woodwork.

>>106247425 (OP)
check out jobs dot now to see the six figure jobs that companies are trying to give to h1bs that they legally have to give to you if you apply for them.

>>106247425 (OP)
Good. Most developers are incompetent faggots as is proven every day by constant software enshittification.

>>106247425 (OP)
>No source
>Shitty retard fearmongering thread
Hello, Glavset!

>>106250291
The better Artists are still doing what they were doing before AI, they are still getting commissions, participating in flavor of the month trends, cons, competitions etc.
Variance in code is quite low compared to art, there is only so many ways to write a code block and as long as the LLM produces one that works, why would I ever hire a junior dev?

>>106251618
https://nypost.com/2025/08/11/business/coding-students-whose-jobs-were-taken-by-ai-forced-to-work-at-chipotle/
Honestly? It's not looking good.
White collar technical work seems to be first on the chopping block, because corpos want to cut costs.

AI has taken exactly 0 jobs so far.

>>106251298
"learn a trade" is the new "learn to code"
both have one and one aim only: to reduce value of labor

>>106247425 (OP)
>>106251673
>the unemployment rate for recent computer science graduates is 6.1%, and 7.5% for computer engineering majors
92.5% of all graduates found a job. kys

>>106247536
What do you mean by debloated? Less people doing it? Are you confusing the supply curve and the demand curve?

>>106251552
>that they legally have to give to you if you apply for them.
no they just exhaust thousands of applicants and then tell politicians they can't find enough workers and they need to import more h1bs

>>106247425 (OP)
I work at Chipotle and I make $13/hr.

>>106251673
>https://nypost.com
Yeah, that shit's never gonna look good, Ivan. What's next, the Daily Mail? Fuck you to death.

>>106247973
lol no, it's because Indians and Chinese are willing to work 60% harder

>>106247425 (OP)
Even before AI, networking and what you did in your internship mattered more than anything else. Also the economy is still shit. We see these boom and bust cycles every 10-15 years since the 70s. I don't know why people in tech never learn.

>>106248233
One caveat, IT is more globalized than ever. Just like manufacturing, it might never return to the same scale locally.

>>106251949
If that helps you sleep at night
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/bootcamp-bust-how-ai-is-upending-software-development-industry-2025-08-09/

>>106251808
Yeah at Chipotle.

>>106251973
Good, fuck those assholes

>>106251973
so the only difference from a regular mcd is that there's a conveyor between the cooks and the delivery window?

>>106251973
>fully automatic
>can clearly see 3 people working in the back

Is everything from america just a huge scam nowadays?

>>106251991
>"Coding bootcamps were already on their way out, but AI has been the nail in the coffin."
Wow, it's fucking nothing. Why are you so bad at your job, Alenka?

>>106247536
Who cares? "coders" is just a fancy way to spell "scammer".
It's a tertiary skill, at best. Not something that would land you an actual job by itself.
If you learned coding, but failed to acquire any primary skill that would make you employable, it's on you. Nobody is going to pity you.

>>106252171
it's only a matter of time until robochads run the kitchen

>>106252216
They should all take up dealing meth and living in a trailer with their sistermoms like you, Brantley. Now that's a man's job.

>>106252216
>primary skill
such as?

>>106252219
who cleans the robots?

>>106252252
Growing potatoes
Smelting iron ore
Cooking
...

>>106252318
AI (an Indian). The real question is... who cleans the Indian hands...?

>>106252219
>take a wooden spoon
>pretend to do something with it
>fast forward to another sequence before the suspension of disbelief crumble
Not scammy at all...

>>106252342
cool joke Chang
You should retell that one to the surgeon who's going to harvest your innards...

>>106252359
There is not a single oil particle in anything at the beginning of the video. They tried this take a lot of times and cleaned every mess it caused until they got one right.

>>106252334
yeah lemme move to china real quick so I can make 2 dollars per hour working at a blast furnace until I die a horrible death involving molten slag

>>106252216
didn't you guys say the same thing about... nevermind.

>>106251808
>Of course it's university policy never to, imply employment in the graduate's field of study... always use the indefinite article -a- job, never -your (field's)- job

>>106247652
>>106247536
The current crop of the learn2code generation will be obsoleted soon enough.
Give it like 3 years. They'll have either forgotten everything they know or questioned why they worked at Chipotle as a bowl stuffer after graduation and how that makes them qualified for software development over new grads who have been practicing the latest vibecoding techniques for the past 4 years

>>106247425 (OP)
It used to only be possible to get through college learning nothing of value in the humanities programs, but now it's possible to do it with just about any degree. It's just the same losers with a different title printed on their toilet paper.

I remember when people learned to code to launch their startup.
When did the dream of being your own boss turn into the dream of being a wagecuck?
What went wrong with programmers?
Did your balls drop off?

>>106254488
THERES NO MONEY

>>106254488
I got 2 kids to feed I need money right now. I can’t not get paid while trying to get some shart up off the ground.

>>106247425 (OP)
zoomer burritos to go

>>106254488
I wanted to be a programmer, not a scamming sociopath

>>106247425 (OP)
I'm just gonna go move to Moldova or something. America is dead.

>>106247749
Well I wouldn't mind a 50k salary if the position was pretty laid back and remote. I could just move to the middle of no where but farmlands and just get starlink to be able to work.

>>106254769
I've been eating chipotle for the past 2 weeks because of the 30% discount for new doordash accounts and now i feel like the food is bland and overrated. and I have to force myself to finish it

>>106247749
Not only overcompensated financially but also the perceived importance and hierarchy inside companies. For a very long time titles like developer, engineer, architect were loosely given to positions 90% of the time filled by people that are the personification of the frameworker meme, import solution, use solution. ANYONE who can read a fucking manual and use a keyboard can do that job, so do the AI bots. This is a wake up call for everyone who never was a true programmer to begin with.

>>106255013
AI bots struggle at deviating from documentation solutions especially at less common libraries like elastic search so I don't know what you're on about

>>106248587
The first is genuinely demanding work before and after education, the latter is demanding to get a qualification in, and then a rat race to find a good job. Coding is easy in the majority of instances

>Chiptole

Yeah. That'll be gone soon.

>>106247425 (OP)
just make your own company, do your own work, stop being reliant on others to provide for you. as much as I love the architecture and culture of cites, it makes entirely no sense to live in one.
>High population density, much more competition. making it so that you have to work way harder with way more risk of going under, or submitting to the whims of an employer who can fuck you over any which way.
>constant increase of competition. people go to cities because there's lots of companies and business opportunity, the city gets more labor and people to add value, more people hear about the city, they repeat step 1 and flock to cities.
>laws, laws, and more laws. cities constantly add more red tape to stop people from tainting the image of them, get more value out of people, or to appeal to business owners.
if you want to live a decent life, go to a mid-sized town, and offer your services there. less competition, no people come to compete, and way less interference from the law,
We have a guy who sells jailbroken firesticks and he makes bank from it, you can do it to.

>>106254723
There's no money anywhere except in AI grifting

>>106247425 (OP)
Imagine making $165k a year every year and still end up broke Kek with 165k one time payment I'd be settled for life

>>106247425 (OP)
day shift at chipotle in a non-customer facing role is easy life.

>>106251980
I believe the massive outsourcing is only done because the market is so oversaturated. Tech companies make too much money so they can afford importing low quality work.

>>106247536
everything must eventually be free of bloat

>>106254488
Why bother learning how to code when an AI can do all the work for you? I feel like Startups are easier than ever now because an AI can make your pitch and all you need to do is take it to some investors for free capital.

>>106255925
I asked

>>106247536
if debloating meant less do-nothing engineers crowding the market and less outsourcing/importing then that'd be great, we're getting the exact opposite of that

>>106247425 (OP)
kek, zoomers are gonna make my burrito.

I SAID EXTRA CHEESE WAGIE

>>106247536
I am always mad regardless but this seems fine until I lose my job. Then I will be mad still but I will choose different reasons to be mad.

>>106247425 (OP)
Ai should kill me already.

>>106251973
This could never work in practice, you're always going to get some luddite boomer that refuses to talk to or interact with robots. They'll stand infront of the window or ordering thing tapping their foot forever and deadlock the entire system

>>106247536

It isn't. They turning 1 junior American into 3 low paid Indian codeshitters. It's the definition of enshittified bloat.

>>106247425 (OP)
>Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs
This was never a thing outside of the west coast and specific big name companies. The positions also were always highly competitive to get.

>>106260402

It was pretty common to reach this mark around 10 YoE actually.

>>106260297
Actually indians can do this for you

this happened to me, and i've simply decided to take a space shuttle to another fucking planet full of humans in our colony.

never settle for less!!

we ran away from these fucking anal rapists and circumsizers ... i hope they delete this group

>>106251298
If you want the real truth of what happens, there's no real conspiracy. It's just that by the time normies catch on to a trend it's at the end of its life cycle.

The problem is, normies don't think of themselves as normies So they will hear some mainstream news or catch wind of some popular trend and assume that they are now "in the know".

>>106260423
Kek.

>>106251298
the funniest part is that you're falling for it yet again
the zeitgeist is 'coding is doomed' so learning to program well is exactly what you should be doing

>>106260626

I'm in software. Coding is doomed unless they contain South Asia. It's as simple as that. Because there are 2 billion of them.

>>106260626
>learning to program well is exactly what you should be doing
True. It's a nice skill to have in most job.
Automating shit as a sysadmin mades me 10x more efficient than the nocoder.

>>106260647
>I'm in software
You're into scamming. kys.

>>106260647
they tried outsourcing in the 90s, and it failed
they're going to try again, this time jeets+AI, and they will fail again

>>106260833
Saar I'm sorry but this time we will really do the needful. Please check and revert that statement.

India Superpower status by 2030. All homes will have toilets by 2100.