Thread 106259283

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards. Issues still reported & latest BIOS doesn't protect new CPUs.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
ASUS WOLED with TrueBlack Glossy film launched (XG32UCWMG, XG32UCWG). Limited availability.

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

Will 5060Ti drop in price with all the other non super cards or there is no point waiting?

>rx 9070 costs more than 5070
Ok?

>>106259283 (OP)
I used to make cardboard PC as a kid, before my family could afford one...

how do we feel about the 5080 bros?

>>106259423
only an idiot buys one at this point, well, you were always an idiot to buy it when its hamstrung at 16gigs of vram, but now you're really retarded. Wait for the super refresh later this year, the gains will be huge and the cards will be quasi-future proof. Njudea are finally buckling and giving you paypigs the VRAM you've been coping over for the last 5 years.

>>106259450
thanks kitten

>>106259370
No, the 5060 Ti 16GB is a decent entry-level workstation card and generally performs better than a 9060 XT in gaming.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/nvidia-5060-ti-vs-amd-9060-xt-for-content-creation/

>>106259423
Paying ~500 more USD over the 5070 Ti right now makes no sense, you're only gaining around 10% more performance, really bad value.

>>106259423
if you're getting one, get the noctua edition 5080

>>106259492
>$1500 "MSRP"
>$2000 street price
>Fans run so quietly, it doesn't drown out the coil whine

>>106259525
Valid points but coil whine is thankfully a solved issue on AIB cards this generation

>>106259423
just get a 5070Ti

>>106259540
>coil whine is thankfully a solved issue on AIB cards this generation
no it isn't. if anything its worse now. coil whine scales with power draw and nvidia is 12vhpwr.

>>106259598
there are physical methods to reduce coil whine and its being used on asus cards as standard at least

>>106259598
I have no coil whine on my 575w 5090, maybe your house just has shit wiring?
Only time I ever had coil whine was with a 970

>>106259423
There are a few games that a 5070 Ti can't do native 4k 60fps (Silent Hill 2 remake for one) that a 5080 can. That's its only usecase. If you want to do AI or other work shit then IMO the difference between 5070 Ti and the 5080 is not big enough to be worth it. Only the 90 series is a wortwhile jump.

>>106259611
>>106259626
anecdotes and snakeoil

>>106259671
denialism and strawman

>>106259423
80 class is for retards. stop living in the past.

>>106259671
cope
coil whine is extremely complex and cannot be boiled down to “coil whine scales with power draw”
if that were the case people would be criticising the 9070XT for having more coil whine than the 5070ti

my pc only gets cpu vrm coil whine, and only in one specific scenario: the aida64 cache & memory latency benchmark. It's inexplicable, it's also bizarrely melodic and plays the same melody on the motherboard every time i run the test.

Honestly makes me feel like a schizo except i do have it recorded so i know it's real...

>>106259700
Then recommend something else bitchass

>>106259704
it’s the machine spirit
>>106259708
5090

Any point replacing a 9 year old psu for the new build? It's a quality one with a 10 year warranty.

>>106259708
if you're stuck on noVidio, 70ti or 90. you can buy a 60[ti] if you just want to play esports. 50 is a display adapter for a PC without an iGPU in the CPU.

>>106259632
I'm a 1440p gaymer, I want >120 fps in all games at all times

>>106259703
>>106259686
its literally a lottery and getting a better case isnt the answer

>>106259745
achievable by a 60 class these days, unless you're playing every unoptimized AAA release and want to turn on all the features without upscalers, then you'd need a 90.

>>106259733
yes

>>106259777
I didn’t mean getting a better computer case when I said “if that were the case” you ESL jeetoid

>>106259733
If it's 1000 watts or more, then no, unless you are gonna pair a 9950x3d and a 90 series card

>>106259793
>there are physical methods to reduce coil whine and its being used on asus cards
so a better gpu case

I've got this weirdo case with only one side that isn't mesh, with the three big ass AIO fans blowing up and out and the GPU sucking from the bottom, but couldn't fit any spare fans in the back for the chassis. Should I grab one for the back or is this already getting decent enough airflow?

>>106259700
can confirm, certified retard here
>normiesung ssds
>suicidal intelaviv cpu
yup yup, love me slop pc

>>106259777
>777

Has anyone tried replacing thermal pads on their gpu before? How did it go and did you notice any difference?

>>106259802
>gpu case
like I said, strawman.
by physical methods, I obviously meant from the AIB's side by testing different types of inductors on their boards and using the quietest ones, and using epoxy to keep components from vibrating, duh

>>106259283 (OP)
Can I run blender ok on a 9800x3d and 64 gigs of ram?

>>106259700
As someone who had a 1080 TI
The 4080 super was literally the only card that made sense.
>couldn't get a 4090 FE, atleast not scalped to death
>4070 TI super was $200 cheaper but also 15% slower
>4080 super was the fastest card I was willing to pay for, slightly less value than the 4070 but not major
>The 4090 at scalper pricing is less value than the 4080

>>106259885
LLMs really fucked the 4090's price. The couple of months before that, 4090s were well stocked at list price and dipped below msrp at times

>>106259874
Im doing that right now, runs pretty great. Make sure you get a really fucking good cooler though, it peaked at 98C for a second while doing a really big fluid bake.

>>106259283 (OP)
Bros why are there no fucking games to play on my beastly setup? I literally bought a oled for no gaems.

>>106259917
9800x3d's hotspot isn't centred
I managed to shave off close to 10C by using thermalgrizzly's am5 offset mount and centering my aio's coldplate on top of CCD0

>>106259920
dxvk can convert any game to hdr

>>106259920
Just use auto HDR / rtxhdr
MPV also supports HDR and can turn your anime HDR for free

>>106259784
Why?
>>106259797
750w but should be enough for my build (9800x3d + 9070xt).

>>106259940
>Software can change the physical limitations of an LCD monitor with no local dimming zones.
Always knew you were an idiot, but this take is something else, even from you.

>>106259920
We could have been playing Deus Ex finale by now but no.

>>106259969
DXVK allows for upgrading the internal render targets' formats to higher bit depth variants and changing the swapchain format and color space for possible HDR output or just visual improvements.

>>106259915
The FE in particular was always scalped.
I really don't like buying from AIBs on principle, faster GPU just isn't worth buying from companies that quite literally hate their customers after the transaction is made, especially not for something that is $1500+

>>106259933
I didn't know that, thought the thing just ran hot as fuck. Definitely buying that, my system is already stressing because of my shit tier AC.

>everybody shitting their pants because DLSS is missing from BF6 beta this weekend
>people who know are telling them to turn on FSR
>they piss and shit and begrudgingly turn it on after trying TAA or Off and the game looking like shit
>they can't tell the difference between FSR and DLSS after enabling it
tiktok.

>>106259989
That's what Reshade HDR mods can do.
>ReShade exposes an automated and generic way to access both frame color and depth information

>>106260009
Reshades method is too generic, like a post fx filter.
DXVK is hooking into the actual render target thats why anti cheats say no to DXVK but yes to Reshade.

>>106260029
>Reshades method is too generic, like a post fx filter.
No.
>This add on allows you to turn any game into HDR by reverse tonemapping and outputting a HDR10 image

>anti cheats
Show me these HDR-mastered, competitive online multiplayer titles.

>>106260007
I swear it was in there last weekend, did they take it out for this one or am I having a stroke?

Please restock the 9950X3D I do not want to cuck myself with a 9800X3D

>>106260047
it was in last weekend.

>>106260075
Just wait for the 9955x3d dual vcache replacement then

>>106259933
Does that work with any cooler?

>bought 4070 Ti Super & 14600K
>games I play on it:
>Barony
>SULFUR
>Tower Dominion
>Against The Storm
>Path of Exile 2

>>106260114
>just wait an indefinite amount of time

>>106259967
>Why?
cause it's degraded after a decade of use and will die in some more time
putting degraded things in a new system is the epitome of poorfaggotry
storage and psus degrade
"let me get a decade more of use out of this"
no

Wuthering Waves still crashes on Nvidia.

>>106260148
sounds schizoid to me, it's an analog piece of tech after all
plus even a 650w psu can run that build

>>106260114
No such thing is going to be released
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-shows-off-unreleased-ryzen-9-5950x3d-cpu-with-192mb-of-3d-v-cache

>>106260148
This is wholly dependent on what stress components have seen.
If caps where anything south of 80C, you could be talking 100,000 hours before significant degradation.
Storage is model dependent, I have 11 HDDs breaking 70k hours, only one shows any kind of issues but ZFS doesn't complain about it.

>>106260186
That leaker doesn't miss bro, it definitely will

>>106260166
Chinkshit devs' shitty RT implementation, which Radeon card owners can't even toggle on.

>>106259825
what kind of cooler do you have on your 400 watt fire CPU? I had to go direct die.

>>106260234
Developers 30 years ago
>I figured out how to fit an entire game onto a potato chip, sprites, animations, sounds and all
Developers today
>I can't figure out how to get your super computer in a briefcase to run 20 year old tech, please buy a better super computer

Going to crosspost here in hopes of some responses.
https://voca.ro/1fSJOyzFQJip

The extra noise is fanspin when I held it directly against the back of the QNAP, I was moving my phone around the case during the recording.
Any of you got NAS drives to compare to?
This weird periodic scratching noise is what I'm mostly worried about.

Only does this so often if I'm actively copying something onto it, or if I'm browsing things in the file explorer and if opening a video file / seeking the timeline of it.
If this is normal noise I might just keep these. Still worried about long term use as I'm powering it off daily in the long run.
Is this normal?

QNAP TR-004 + 2x WD RED PLUS 8TB drives.
People keep saying this shit is normal, but idk.
The issue is that it also does this noise idle because of PWL. Rubber / low vibration stuff under it doesn't help as the noise is the major part of it.

TL:DR; please tell me if the noises these drives make is normal. Feels like thump+scratch.
I might just return all this and buy 4TB SSDs for the price...

Tiny room, no other place to keep it too. Please advise.
Sidenote as I'm browsing a folder in windows explorer with 100gigs of videos it also hangs a bit every time it makes the noise.I assume it moves the head or something, but still no idea if this is normal as I only got 2TB WD Blues to compare and they are fine.

>>106260345
hard drives are spinning metal discs. they will make noise.

>>106260345
mine starts to get noisy when it's fragmented over 30%

>>106259745
>I want >120 fps in all games at all times
I do that with the 5070 (non-ti) before framegen in 99.9% of games, in fact I could do that on my old gpu too.
Just buy the 70ti or 90, the 80 card this gen is ridiculously bad.
5080 is a cope card or for people who don't pay attention.
Also the jump from 70 to 80 is usually less than like 20%/25% at 1440p. You would buy the 5070ti over the base 5070 because you're worried about the 12gb.
In some of these ue5 titles or games with heavy rt you're not going to hit 120 regardless of gpu choice even at 1080p (at least not totally consistently)
Framegen on every card other than maybe the 5060/4060 + 5060ti/4060ti you might as well pretty much always use it, 3x/4x on blackwell.
>>106260284
You niggers are fucking delusional. This is the best time to be a pc poorfag, low end cards have no issue doing high resolution + high framerates. Even during Maxwell and Pascal things weren't half as good + now we actually have scaling beyond console tier settings for people who want it.
DLSS is literally the greatest thing ever too

>>106260365
Yeah but compared to the WD Blues not this type of noise though.

>>106260371
Can it be fragmented when brand new? I don't think so no?

>one shot at life
>buying binned components

>>106260345
>I'm browsing a folder in windows explorer with 100gigs of videos it also hangs a bit every time it makes the noise
Thats probably just explorer thrashing the read head, the things a fucking turd that is effectively the same program as on Win95.

>>106260377
>Can it be fragmented when brand new? I don't think so no?
depends how many small files you put on it

>>106260345
Different WD colours are not just tiers, they are made for different purposes and might be build differently, which is why Blue is acting different than Red

>>106260386
>Thats probably just explorer thrashing the read head
Any alternatives I should try? Total commander would be better? No previews tho.

>>106260171
>electronics last forever and have no wear
so this is the stance you are taking

>>106260188
a decade old psu does not have a very long time left in it

>>106259920
you have
>the isle
>bf6

>>106260401
I have this feeling that the 6TB reds wouldn't make this noise just based on that pic alone...

>>106260408
it might easily have 10 more years in it if it's a quality one and been running at a typical home use (100-200w tops for the vast majority of it's lifetime)

>>106260373
Thanks anon I'll wait for the super to release and then make my decision

>>106260404
No idea, I simply live with the pain. Ridiculous how it still cant do smooth scrolling in 2025 when the 200-something eMac I bought from an elementary school for a laugh could.

>>106260408
it will degrade by losing efficiency yeah, means it will draw more current and heat up more but the output will be the same, this is the stance you triple retard

>>106259837
No one? Embarrassing..

>>106260373
>This is the best time to be a pc poorfag
You're the delusional one. A webpage uses up 2 gb of memory just to browse it.

>>106260449
I think most weebs here opt to only change the paste on the silicon while reusing the pads

>>106260257
Kraken elite 360 2024
Keeps it plenty cool, im in the low 70s in cinebench. I am also power limited to 253w tho. I did up the limit and held the mid-90s at around 330-350 watts in occt tho so I know how much thermal headroom i have. Good cooler.

>>106260449
you shouldn't be ripping apart your gpu to replace the pads. you should be ripping it apart to replace the paste, and replace the pads that you ripped in the process.

>>106260467
Yeah meant paste too, forgot to mention it :^)

>>106260226
Yea sure
https://x.com/g01d3nm4ng0/status/1667502118456918016

5600x3d was released 3 years later and only in LATAM

>>106259837
If there's nothing wrong there's no need. Ampere there were a lot of cards that were fucked but that's the exception.
Also don't repaste your card like 4 times a year.
My 980ti still doesn't need new pads

>>106259837
I replaced some thermal pads with thermal putty
But that was with a waterblock

Are people who fell for the Ryzen meme still seething about Battlefield 6?

Does this look good? I still need a good mouse and keyboard but this is what I have so far.

>>106260571
Get 9600x, better performance, less power, and $50 cheaper

I think I just fell in love with this case...
I love how it hides the fans and the rad of the aio.
would look so clean with the hydroshift aio and the stealth mobo.
but I don't really like the brushed metal.
fuck.

any cases that the hide the aio like this?

>>106260503
>If there's nothing wrong there's no need
It'll run cooler which will result in it lasting longer

>>106260642
you can still fucking see them

>>106260602
Sounds good, just switched it over to the 9600x.

>>106260642
looks like generic shitty glass box no 387448

>>106260571
Get a 6000MT/s CL30 memory kit if you're not comfortable setting manual speed & timing in the BIOS.
6400MT/s isn't guaranteed to run at the optimum 1:1 UCLK:MEMCLK ratio; stock board behavior recommended by AMD is to set that ratio to 1:2 at speeds above 6000.

>>106260653
yes
but you can't see the the ugly side part anymore of the radiator and the fans.

>>106260543
BF6 is going through a way more controversial situation right now

>>106260762
Yeah, definitely want to avoid that manual shit. How does this one look?

>>106259777
better cases do help heaps for sound mitigation though? my antec flux pro has nearly 3x the number of fans of my old corsair case, but its significantly quieter because the fans themselves are better designed, and the case itself has better audio baffling.

I'm still convinced coil whine is just mostly autism, paranoia and confirmation bias.

>>106260888
Overpriced if it's in USD.
Buy any from this filtered list.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#S=6000&Z=32768002,49152002&F=6000000,10000000&sort=price&page=1&B=1100000000,1350000000

>>106259837
if you have to open it up to begin with, you'll certainly want a few lying around to replace ones that get squished/ripped up/fall off due to not enough sticky.

>>106260888
kingston are mid. Corsair or Gskill are the best ram kits out there. Also get 48/64gig if you wanna min-max and enjoy more headroom.

>>106260642
phanteks make good stuff ig, but theres loads of competition, just make sure you give a decent look at all its competitors. TRYX's next range of cases and AIOs will be industry leading in style, but i don't think they've released yet.

>>106259283 (OP)
600€ max in germany

i found the GMKtec M7 AMD Ryzen 7 6850H with AMD Radeon 680M for 470€ and was considering buying it and pairing it with an oculink dock later on

is there a better way to have a low power consumption pc thats good enough for light gaming but allows quickly upping the specs? my other idea wouldve been a motherboard adn cpu with inbuilt graphics and then pulling the GPU power cable for daily use. but ive read not fully using your PSU is bad for some reason

>>106260953
>pulling the GPU power cable for daily use
And for gaming you would what? Shut entire system down, plug discreet CPU and boot it up again? That's ass. Just get 2PC setup at this point.

>>106259415
Should have instead been cutting grass and doing chores for your community for money to help feed your poor family.

>>106260234
AYYY ITS MACER NIGGA POSTING ON /g/

>>106260988
I was, we were paid to hunt rats by the bucket at the scrapyard.

>>106260927
Sounds good. Looks like this one is good, right?
>>106260943
>Also get 48/64gig if you wanna min-max and enjoy more headroom.
The most demanding thing I'm planning to do is run modded minecraft with shaders, 32gb is probably fine.

>>106261034
whoops, forgot pic

>>106261034
>>106261048
>Sounds good. Looks like this one is good, right?
It's overpriced. Those Flare/RipJaws heatspreaders aren't that great, GSkill didn't set a thermal pad for the power management IC.
Team Group T-Create is the better module price & cooling-wise. It's bought by manual OCers as well.
Klevv is in between.

5070 Ti > 9070 XT

>>106261034
>>106261048
The first anon is on point with the heatspreader info but if you're just going to turn XMP on and never touch it again you might as well filter 6000-30-36-36-76@1.35V and sort by lowest. It's such a conservative bin for Hynix that they could probably get away with bare DIMMs.

>>106260943
>TRYX
looks interesting

>>106260986
im not made of money. and power prices are surging over here. i did the math and running a full power pc setup 24/7, with the gaming gpu, only to mostly use it for twitch and anime would be easily 800€ more per year in energy cost.

getting a mini pc and plugging in an eGPU everytime i wanna game is worth the hassle for that money

got motherboard and CPU ready, but still waiting on memory. gah.
the asus board I got seems to have a much higher build quality than my previous Asrock. Or maybe it's just the AM5 requirements, but I'm surprised at things like memory and pcie using SMD soldering instead of THT. Heatsink feels far heftier too.
It's probably just because it's a much more expensive mobo (went from B550M Steel Legend to TUF B850M Plus), but everything else on B850M is garbage. Let's just hope I don't get fucked up by Asus boards dying in a week.

pcie 4.0 x1 slot too. now I may need a AQC113 10GbE network card. My X550 won't fit there.

>>106260953
>i found the GMKtec M7 AMD Ryzen 7 6850H with AMD Radeon 680M for 470€ and was considering buying it and pairing it with an oculink dock later on

amd apus tend to have insanely good iGPUs so unless you want AAA gaming in 4k you might end up being fine with that. Just pair it with fast RAM.
If you can get something with the Radeon 780M it'll be a good 50% faster, and the 880M is a good 50% faster than the 780M. 880M is only in laptop chips for now, it'll come to desktop in the medusa point APU refresh late this year.

>is there a better way to have a low power consumption pc thats good enough for light gaming but allows quickly upping the specs?
Intel machines have lower idle power consumption. 8-20W depending on how deep you go into the rabbit hole of C-states.
with AMD you need APUs (the chiplet interconnects alone eat 5-10W, monolithic APUs can get away with the IO hub running at lower volts), and even then you are aiming at ~20-30W idle power. only way to get lower on AMD side is to get their chiplet-less X600 boards but they are rare as unicorns, Asrock makes the only ones as far as I know (X600TM-ITX, or their Deskmeet X600 prebuilts).

but, intel machines have crappier iGPUs, so if you want iGPU gaming, AMD is your only choice. Intel is better for low power servers.

>>106261238
Did you factor in that modern gaming CPU & GPU consume absolutely fucking nothing when idle?

>>106261240
actually now that I think of it, those mini PC boxes are chipset-less too (I think), so they should have sub-20W power draw even with AMD.

>>106261238
GPU uses 10-20W (lowest I've seen was AMD RX7600 with 3W idle) but multi-monitor can make it worse. hint: use both monitors on the same resolution AND refresh, this will reduce needed memory clocks to nearly the same level as single monitors. That's only 14kWh more a month.

Here's an idea though, I know it will be unpopular, but I started taking heed and it reduced my power usage dramatically: turn the PC off when you are not using it. With fast boot on, you can get the system booting in less than 10 sec. At least on my B550M I can. I heard AM5 boards are very bad in boot times.

>>106259450
I don't use AI though so how much vram do I really need?

>>106261238
>800€ more per year in energy cost
anon..

>>106261301
modern GPU, especially higher end ones, can use 10-20W idle in single monitor, and can reach twice as that in multi monitor. That would make a single full tower PC idle at 60-70W. That's significantly more than absolutely fucking nothing, especially in Europe where we have completely stupid tiered power prices; over where I live, that sort of machine running 24/7 would be a quarter of the monthly quota and that's before you factor in refrigirators, routers, cooking equipment, TV or any sound systems, file servers, etc. Such a PC + my file server + my AVR/speakers + the AC already put me at 3/4th the way to the 200kWh monthly cap.
I can understand why he wants to minimize his power costs.
It's why I started turning off my PC at night, and I don't even spin up the file server unless I plan on watching movies.

If he uses some low power iGPU machine he can get down to ~30W on an AMD machine, possibly down to 20W with Intel.

>>106261386
He lives in Europe. It's normal.

>>106261319
new games are already pushing 12gb
might not be enough in a year or two
or maybe pcie speeds will make gpu ram irrelevant, who knows

>>106261319
16 is all you're gonna need for the next decade

>>106261149
hmmm I don't believe this
5070ti has less transistors
5070ti has less ROPs
5070ti has less pixel fillrate
9070xt as rebar enabled, 5070ti has it disabled by nvidia (unless the game is whitelisted)
9070xt is 4nm, 5070ti is 5nm


by all math metrics 5070ti cannot be faster than 9070xt

>>106261450
including GPU-Z to support this because computers dont lie about numbers

>>106261450
5070 SUPER > 9070XT

>>106261450
You can't compare shader counts between vastly different architectures.

>>106261402
How the fuck did it get that way lmao
You can't even game

>>106261467
it doesn't matter when the 9070xt is hitting 3.3+ghz while the 5070ti is only capping out at 2.8-2.9 while one is 4nm and the other is 5nm.

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>106260345
>This weird periodic scratching noise is what I'm mostly worried about.
>WD Red Plus 8+ TB

It's normal. I have two WD 12TB helium drives and they do it too. Some periodic head lubrication bullshit that WD does. They are widely hated for that reason, but also because Seagate and Toshiba are now far cheaper at larger sizes (it used to be 50% cheaper, now it's a bit better but only if you go shucking).

Toshiba drives don't do that as often but they also spin at full 7200rpm so they are VERY loud.

>>106261465
9570xt > 5070 super

>>106261500
just works on loonix with my 5060 ti

>>106260428
I ran my quality psu pretty damn underpowered and it did not last 19 years
it did however last around 13 or 12 or whatever it was
yeah, don't do this

>>106260448
it will die before the pc is functionally out of use and only an insane man would put it in a new fresh pc
another day another thread of poorfags arguing over buying a new psu that is a decade old

you can theoretically
but it's also retarded

>>106261240
>If you can get something with the Radeon 780M it'll be a good 50% faster
good to know. theres a similar mini pc with one of those currently available for barely more. the google doc ive found listed the 890M as the best of the best in current igpus but those mini pcs that use it are a lot more expensive

>>106261301
its not idle. i do have streams or videos running as background for long stretches of time

>>106261307
>turn the PC off when you are not using it
already doing that. but im one of those weirdos who sleeps with streams running in the background. i guess i could look into ad-free app and run the stream on my phone though

>>106261386
>anon..
thats nothing to sneeze at. or are you saying my math mustve been wrong?

>>106261402
>That would make a single full tower PC idle at 60-70W
which is even more damning when you see that a lot of mini pcs cap at 75W when playing games with their igpus

it is also partly motivated by me liking the idea of mounting my pc to my monitor

>>106261512
Won't happen AMD hit the wall there's no way they can make a more powerful card.

>>106261487
You also cannot compare clock speeds between architectures jesus christ

>>106261518
>or are you saying my math mustve been wrong?
yes

>>106261518
then buy a fucking laptop lmao

>>106261518
>its not idle
Those are idle tasks that are so trivial it doesn't bring components out if a low power state.

>>106261450
You're correct

so done with these fucking melting issues on my 5090. i was in the middle of playing wuchang fallen feathers when my connector melted and whole pc caught on fire, I have to build a whole new pc. im suing nvidia and building an all amd pc with the settlement money fuck it idc anymore.

>>106261474
>How the fuck did it get that way lmao

It got that way because Merkel and von der Leyen destroyed most of Europes power infrastructure in a bid to transition to green energy (except atomic power was the greenest but they kept closing those as well). Then the Ukraine war meant we can't buy cheap gas from Russia, we have to ship it from the US at exorbitant prices, and now things are fucked.
You should see pics of germany where they are mining for anything that can be used to fuel power plants. They are dozering entire countrysides flat in search for every last piece of lignite they can.

We got a tiered power structure here too, I had to transition from using a videocard to using an iGPU because it seriously reduced the idle power of my PC.

>>106261594
This happened i believe it yep

>>106261511
Thanks bro. I decided I'll return them. Got 14 days for no questions asked.
Gonna package them and the QNAP tomorrow.
Once I get refunded I'll just get 2x 4TB ssds and 1 8TB hdd (consumer grade) that only spins up once a week for backups.

>>106261594
>proper connection

system memory and vram allocation
Power usage

>>106261518
>pic
That's a horrifying way to mount that. The bracket which extends to the size seems MUCH safer.

>>106261611
>>106261565
You can cherry pick both cards they are nearly identical in multi-game average raw raster but you buy novideo anyway for the better feature set if you can afford it and if you are looking at a $900 Radeon you definitely can. AMD are delusional to price their cards this high. Id pay 300 tops for a Radeon.

>>106261601
Probably not to him, but it's been proven that due to carrying 650W through that tiny connection and having improper load balance through all the pins, these cables get extremely hot to the point of melting and catching on fire.
So if you don't want to throw a 3k gpu to the bin, you better not buy any njudea gpu ever again unless they change the goddamned connector.

>>106261596
I don't mean to get into politics but I find the EU situation fascinating.
Are people not fed up? Did people vote for this?
It just seems so odd because my interactions with Europeans is them being extremely proud of their social nets and their democractic system and yet they are seemingly being extorted at every point. It's not a situation I would actually desire

Ray reconstruction and DLSS 4

>>106261240
Can you use arm chips in any useful way?

Are there any ATX cases no taller than 365mm/14.37"?

I'm asking because I've bought this tiny chink ATX case last month to sell my old PC in, and I was surprised that for its size, it fit ATX motherboard and GPUs up to 360mm. So now I'm wondering if there are better-made compact ATX cases like that out there.

>Height: 364 mm (14.33")
>Width: 185 mm (7.28")
>Depth: 425 mm (16.73")

>106261639
Dlss schizo post btw

>>106261518
>which is even more damning when you see that a lot of mini pcs cap at 75W when playing games with their igpus

Mini PCs don't have a chipset / southbridge, don't have a dGPU, don't have a dGPU running 8x chips of 8GHz GDDR7 memory or 20 fucking VRMs, they don't have the CPU side using 16+ VRM setups either because they don't have to handle 250W 9950X cpus, hell they don't even have a PCIE port. Plus they usually use monolithic chips. All the extra components suck up some power at idle, even if its just a watt, when you have 10 VRMs not doing anything it will add up fast. It's why the lowest end ATX and mATX motherboards tend to be the most power efficient; almost no components.

And because Mini PCs use less power, they can get away with simpler and more efficient power bricks where the efficiency curve reaches the top at lower power levels (It's why I use a 450W Platinum PSU, best efficiency at idle power out of anything).

>>106261687
Still no idea what 4chanX is

>>106261608
Look on the used market for 8TB drives. I could get a 8TB Micron enterprise sata drive for ~400€ right now. It's used so it has a few hundred TB written, but with 3.5 PBW endurance, that's nothing.

I already have a Samsung one, I use it as download space for movies I plan on watching. Then I move them to the NAS later. That way I don't have to spin up the NAS as often.

>>106261653
>better feature set
>>106261672
>Ray reconstruction and DLSS 4
Kill yourselves

>>106261692
Also desktop chips use their generous thermal leg room to stretch by default. Mini pcs are running a cpu at like 3.9ghz where a desktop might spend the whole time at 5.7 or something. The desktop cpu core will be less than twice as fast and draw a literal order of magnitude more power. The thing is desktops can be optimized for efficiency too though. I had a 10700k I daily ran at 3.5ghz and it ran at like 30 fuckin watts under load for 60-70% of the speed it was pulling 220 watts to achieve on stock.

https://gpuopen.com/learn/amd-fsr3-ue5-6-redstone/
Radeon won

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=atHeoq6_uF4
>Whole nvidia feature set
>Driver level and therefore moddable into every game with optiscaler
Wow radeon won

>>106261730
>muh upscaling
Im and adult with serious use cases like generating images of Kuroki Tomoko with armpit stubble and a huge hairy bush. Cuda alone is worth a 30% markup over Radeover.

>>106261666
>Are people not fed up?
Plenty of them are, any political party that tries to change that/leave EU is labelled as Russian agents, fascists, etc.
Recently there was presidential election in Romania, an anti EU/anti Ukrainian candidate has won, so the high court cancelled the election and said his campaign was sponsored by Russia, and that guy got arrested, and in repeated election they selected the "proper" candidate.
That's the western democracy.
>Did people vote for this?
The thing is you don't select von der Leyen, or anyone from European Commission, they are selecting from between themselves.
Recently the agriculture commissar signed by himself a new trade agreement between EU and Ukraine, without consulting anyone from any EU country. Obviously the agreement is bad for the EU.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-gFtPEYBE
>FSR4 faster on rdna 3 every month thanks to open source driver development
Wow rdna 3 buyers winning hugely

>>106261808
>labelled as Russian agents
Yes, they probably are.
>Ukraine bad!
Yawn, get new material, kremlinbot. Bad deals with Ukraine today are better than fighting Russia (who ate Ukraine) on your own land tomorrow. So shut the fuck up, vatnik pidor.

>>106261730
>2H 2025
Lol. Also thinking it won't need like 5 years before it's semi-usable
>>106261776
>moddable into every game with optiscaler
Literally impossible

>>106261837
cope nafo troon

>>106261830
>winning hugely
Not at all.

>>106261856
Your precious Russia is sequestering budget for the third time this year from 1.1T deficit to 2.9T now to 5.5T+. The white man savior anti-nafo liberation army (consisting of churka mudslimes) you are venerating, will eat glory and heat their homes with honor this winter. Now kill yourself.

GeForce sisters how do I respond without sounding mad when Nico-Poster tells me that we're still not capable of playing the only game worth getting a new pc for, Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive?
It's playable on the current gen midrange Radeon cards (9070 and 9070 XT) because of FSR4 (now nativelu supported), but we don't have that nor an upscaler stable enough to brute force a higher resolution.
How do I cope???

>>106261402
I'm legit thinking of getting a low power laptop or something as my daily general use machine and only turning on my PC when I'm actually doing something that warrants it.
An ipad/phone is so powerful nowadays I might not even notice.
Maybe just getting a miniPC with an iGPU is the way to go since laptops are usually dogshit.

I really wonder what the fuck they are thinking with those limits if you factor in air conditioning and them expecting us to use electricity for heating, car, ovens etc.

>>106261666
>Are people not fed up? Did people vote for this?
Yes we are. We can't do fuck all about for several reasons too long to get into here. The system is set up so (((they))) win. You can buy millions of gypsy votes for bags of potatoes, I've seen them driven around in vans on election day. Most jobs are multinational companies who can do whatever the fuck they want.

The social stuff is nice but it's getting destroyed. I was just at the hospital today for an appointment because my legs are giving out, and the earliest I could get was November.

Shit is fucked. Only thing I'm proud enough is that I'll be able to lead some cool gear for my nephews when I die hopefully soon.

so done with this paste leaking out of my 5080 and all these fucking driver issues. i was in the middle of scrolling zachs tech turf instagram when my whole screen went static. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>106261675
ARM chips are garbage for anything they don't have a built in acceleration unit for (ie movies use gpu decoding, etc). Useless for a desktop PC. Useless for a NAS too now that we have Intel N97 that runs at 3-15W.

>>106261530
its a bit exagerated, but 200W at 24/7 usage is 576€ according to this online price calculator. and thats if youve got a good provider with 0,33€ per kWh. the municipal rate can be 0,40€ or higher. and thats sometimes the only option in more remote areas

>>106261552
dont need the screen or keyboard. and those handheld pcs are pricier for lower specs

>>106261564
really? havent paid too much attention to power usage and idle states before very recently and had just assumed live video streams would be more than just idle

>>106261649
id prefer those side ones but didnt bother scrolling through the search results for exactly what i was looking for

>>106261733
>The thing is desktops can be optimized for efficiency too though. I had a 10700k I daily ran at 3.5ghz and it ran at like 30 fuckin watts under load for 60-70% of the speed it was pulling 220 watts to achieve on stock.
that seems really neat but i doubt id be able to pull it off. wouldnt be on /g/ asking tech questions if i had any sort of competence

>>106261942
You're that one tiktok spamming zoomer right
Fuck off

>>106261733
On that note, you can disable turbo clocks (AMD calls it PBO I think) and desktop chips will use a fuck ton less power. I have it disabled on my 5600G and it hits some 58C max in stress tests, barely above 50C in games (that's with iGPU). Only saved some 4-5W in idle but 20-30W lower in gaming - with a 65W TDP chip.
It's mostly useful for the thermals though.

But I use an older chip, no idea how this still holds up with newer systems.

>>106261971
>that seems really neat but i doubt id be able to pull it off. wouldnt be on /g/ asking tech questions if i had any sort of competence
It is not rocket science and you can ask chatGPT nowadays, to guide you through the process.

>>106262018
>RX Radeon
X800XT you fucking zoomer

>>106261971
>id prefer those side ones but didnt bother scrolling through the search results for exactly what i was looking for
Vivo makes a cheap steel plate for that. I actually bought the vivo plate to use as a monitor riser as the amazon monitor arm I was using couldn't get high enough. Though I stopped using that after I got a stacking pole mount.

>>106261971
>that seems really neat but i doubt id be able to pull it off
You just have to set a lower boost clock or disable turbo boosting.

>>106262014
Power scaling exponentially with clocks is universal. Regardless of time period.

>Bought 5060 because I knew nothing at the time and when I came into /pcbg/ during part picking time the thread was full of njudea shills that lied to me 8GB was still ok for 1080p and neural texture compression rendered vram obsolete anyway.
>Every new game Ive tried to run have to play low settings to avoid going over buffer and getting insane stutters
>Also nonstop weird driver bugs and issues as the cherry on top
Idk how the fuck as a long time ATI radeon guy I let myself get memed like this. What do I do now? I can't return and will anyone pay close to what I did new on the used market for this worthless junk card?

>>106259423
bad value+ you have to make an additional purchase and have a fire extinguisher in your own room

1stPlayer a good psu vendor?

>>106259810
SUCTIOOOOOOOOOOOON
yes anon you should

>>106262055
Back to tiktok

Radeon sisters how do I respond without sounding mad when the DLSS Schzio itt tells me that I'm still not capable of play the only game worth building a new pc for, Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive?
It's currently a viable way to play on the midrange Blackwell cards (5070, 5070ti), but on the 9070xt the internal resolution is too low (with already blurry fsr) to produce a stable and non-grainy image.
How do we cope with this? We don't even have the value argument anymore and more and more developers are saying Path Tracing is the future...
Should we also start preparing for RTX Neural Texture Compression to basically 10x the available vram on Nvidia cards?

>>106261791
what an excellent image

>>106260449
i do it on every june nigga

>>106261808
>That's the western democracy.

Don't forget literally anything with AfD in Germany. They are basically the biggest party now but get artificially blocked every step of the way.
Some chick who is in their party got fined for thousands of euros because he stated that official statistics say that the majority of crimes are committed by immigrants. This was stating a fact backed up by official statistics. So yeah, as the Clash once said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EKCAE1vDzY), you have freedom of speech, as long as you are not stupid enough to actually try.

>>106261837
Over here our party in power have been labeled as russian agents for over a decade. The only party not in bed with them gets censored on facebook, anyone mentioning their names gets banned. facebook is responsible for like 75% of the news. The rest are the retired and elderly, who get their news from state sponsored TVs (state owns basically every news site and tv channel).

I can't watch a bloody game without hearing some shit about brussels and ukraine. Infuriating.

I'm at a loss. 5090 Astral for damn near four grand and the drivers just won't fucking work. Every game I open works for a few minutes then just a blackscreen. Help me pls.

>>106262087
In response to the post you're responding to, I left /v/ at least 5 years ago and yet it keeps following me everywhere, why? Why is every thread a console wars thread?

>>106261921
Mini PCs are basically laptop chips but with better connectivity and (sometimes) better cooling. And you don't need a battery and some rinky dink chiclet keyboard taking extra space. Laptops are useless unless you absolutely require portable machines.

>>106261718
Where can you buy reliable used drives?

>>106262118
Which pads/paste do you use my african american friend?

>>106262138
>I can't watch a bloody game without hearing some shit about brussels and ukraine.
Yes, now you get to hear what Russia does with all the gasoil money EU showered it with for the last 20 years. Pro-tip: genocide, inside and outside its borders. Pray Ukraine holds and doesn't get consumed because then after Eastern Europe follows suit, it would be your turn.

I bought a 5090 and as soon as I plugged it in I sharted in my expensive designer jeans and ruined them. And my girlfriend was in the room and I dont think she's attracted to me anymore. When I look over at her phone sometimes I see BBC. Thats it. I am buying a Radeon card and joining Team Red.

GeForce sisters how do I respond without sounding mad when Nico Poster tells me that we're still not capable of playing the only game worth getting a new pc for, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered?
It's playable on the current gen midrange Radeon cards (9070 and 9070 XT) because of Smart Access Memory, but we don't have that nor a working rebar to brute force higher 1% lows.
How do I cope???

>>106262192
im an ezidi kurd
thermalright tf9 i used arctis mx-4 for 3 years but tf9 is better and cheaper in here arctis pastes are slop

>>106262104
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>>106262180
Any recommendations? If it can run basic games like shadowverse and master duel I might only turn on my PC if I'm doing 3D modelling or something.
Something cheap, low power would be preferred.

Anyone here put a miniPC into a big case to get optical drives and storage space or do most people just use external enclosures?

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>>106261971
>200W at 24/7 usage is 576€ according to this online price calculator.

You should calculate that yourself, get the kWh/€ number from your power bill and multiply it by the power you use (200W * 24 * 365 for yearly 24/7 usage).

But you are doing something fishy if you use your PC at full load 24/7. You are either doing bitcoin mining / AI training or running 20+ hdd file servers. In which case you could afford the power costs.

The tiered power system is mainly meant to force people into giving a shit about their power costs and not abusing it by running a bitcoin farm or grow weed at home.
An unfortunate side effect is that it killed several local companies who couldn't afford it, but hey, that just means more property they can sell off to multinational companies.

my pc runs battlefield 6 worse then my ps5
i think its time to upgrade

>>106262104
>Only reason to buy is polejank
Ngreedia stopping support for Gtx series is a better reason
9060 XT seems better value than 5060 Ti and waitfagging is valid for anything upper tier desu.
Though again honestly i would buy the B580 and probably use it in tandem with another b580 if i knew it would work reliably compared to a 9060 XT or above tiers

RADEON SISTERS IM SO FUCKING TIRED OF RUNNING OUT OF VRAM, WHY DO WE NEED 10-30%+ MORE MEMORY TO DO THE SAME THING IN EVERY GAME?
ALSO MY DAD JUST HIT ME AND TOLD ME TO GET A JOB AND STOP PRETENDING TO BE A WOMAN

>>106262231
nta but look into lenovo thinkstations, you cap put low-profile GPU in there or just use iGPU
or just do what everyone does and get a fucking basic-ass MSI B760 motherboard with like 4 VRM and 14400f CPU that is 65w at it's peak turbo

>>106261682
I've used the NCase M2 on my new build but there's the new NCase M3 that's on presale right now.
Here's dimension from their website for the M3:
W: 192 mm
H: 270 mm
D: 366 mm

Unless you want an M2, which is slightly smaller in volume with 258 mm in height.

Just make your thread instead of filling this one up with your bullshit; it's downright sad.

>>106262277
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>>106262277
8gb of vram bottlenecks that gpu retard noone advices anyone to buy it

>>106262050
Yes but it only recently got so bad that for every miniscule task the cpu shoots itself up to 1.45V 6GHz for a millisecond. Hell I can set up permanent boost clocks at far far lower voltages on my chip and it would run fine 24/7, there's no reason for the chips to overvolt themselves so much, its what's responsible for the stupid heat and power draw.

But it's easier to just remove the automatic turbo clocks and oh wow chip now runs 30C cooler and entire machine uses 80W instead of 120W (no dGPU).

>>106262262
Probably because you have GoyFoce gpu and driver overhead is stealing a quarter of your cpu performance.
This a real thing

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>>106262329
i have a 6600xt 8gb and a 10700k

>>106262292
Both M2 and M3 seem to be limited to mATX according to ncased site.

>>106262346
The PS5's GPU is (slightly) better than that.

NVIDIA SISTERS IM SO FUCKING TIRED OF CPU BOTTLENECKS, WHY DO WE NEED 10-30%+ MORE POWERFUL CPU TO DO THE SAME THING IN EVERY GAME?
ALSO MY DAD JUST HIT ME AND TOLD ME TO GET A JOB AND STOP PRETENDING TO BE A WOMAN

He's mad he wasn't allowed to bake flamewar thread.

>>106262197
One, that's the last thing I give a fuck about when I turn on the telly to watch Forma 1.
Two, western governments are doing the exact same fucking thing.
Three, fuck Ukraine. They are thieving cunts and deserve every bit what Russia is giving them.

>>106262376
>Two, western governments are doing the exact same fucking thing.
>Three, fuck Ukraine. They are thieving cunts and deserve every bit what Russia is giving them.
Like I said, shut the fuck up pidor you're speaking pure Kremlinoid metodichka.

>>106262354
I imagine the PS5 version is better optimized too

>>106262242
>>106262303
>>106262339

>>106262390
Go get your daughter out of the muslim sex ring she is in, then we can talk.

test

>>106262392
Probably more it's just the console version is mostly low or medium settings like every game. 6600xt you should be able to get "close enough" to the console experience.

>>106262429
Asian

>>106262429
"Western governments" might take your shit by force, yes. Up to and including your time and labor. But you would typically get compensated with at least something.

Russia would take it for free and rape you too while at it. So shut the fuck up you have zero idea what you're talking about. Tired of hearing about Ukraine? Price of indifference for feeding shithole autocrats like Putin with your money for 20 years. Bet you liked low energy prices then.

ngl this makes me want to take off my chastity belt, sell my 9070xt, and join team green.

>>106262466
My reaction to Russia Ukraine hasn't changed since it began

How much desk space do I need for 2 27 inch monitors? My room is limited on space

>>106262347
Damn, too small for ATX. Finding something with about 60 mm clearance for what you're looking is going to be hard. I would say take a look at large mATX cases that could hold up an ATX if possible.

>>106262442
it looks significantly worse then the PS5 at 1440p low compared to performance settings on PS5

>>106262490
it needs support from developers first

>>106262496
I would suggest getting one bigger monitor. Two monitors bring lots of problems, space isn't the only issue you will have driver issues and other annoyances. Not to mention how much more difficult it makes it to focus on anything.

>>106262496
at least 50-60cm deep for good ergonomics granted you're using monitor arms, more if not

>>106262496
80cm deep desk at least

>>106262466
>Russia would take it for free and rape you too while at it.

We already have all the rape our government is doing.
We have hospitals and law enforcement completely gutted and every night we have drugged up mad cunts yelling in the streets (and harassing people during the day). The places where people work are firing the locals and importing filipinos to work while also giving them free housing from our tax money. Our arable lands are taken away to build chinese battery factories which completely poison the land and drinking water in large areas. We have zero say in any of these; if we try to defend ourselves we get fined or put in prison. I'm not getting into the money scams the government is running.

These are all things I've seen happen or know people who had it happen to them.

And on top of that we get giant assfuck taxes on any tech products too, so when I buy a new computer it costs 25% higher. But I hear americans will get that soon as well.

im so fed up with my overheating gaymen laptop, but i really dont want to buy any of these new GPUs.
what's the best used GPU I can get for around £200?

will the 9800x3d only having a measly boost clock of 5.2ghz cuck it in the near future in some games?

>>106261402
>monthly cap.
as another euro what the fuck do you Germans mean by this?

Every post is progressively stupider than the previous

>>106262346
>Didn't pair his radeon gpu with ryzen cpu for proper full SAM
You silly boy! :3

stop the count

>>106262641
nyo
if anything it's the cachelets that will get cucked in the future

>>106262700
true enough however what if some games prioritize both core speed and cache so it is good to have both, and the rumors of zen 6 going up to 7ghz kind of makes me want to wait and see.

>>106261402
Wow, amazing, you've managed to make me feel good about being Brazilian. I guess the Americans aren't wrong when they shittalk your continent

>>106262717
Literally no game has cared about "core speed" since the era of some ancient console game engines that would literally speed up if you overclocked them.

>>106262717
if you can afford to wait sure why not

>>106261450
Well, go to any video comparing the two and you'll see that they generally hit similar numbers, with some games the 5070 Ti being better and for some others the 9070 XT being better
so clearly they are on the same level (at least for gaming alone)

I wanted to try AMD just because I never have before but the supers coming is making me question that choice. I don't have to upgrade right now but I would like to in the next year. Do you think there will be a similar upgrade to the 9070's in that time?

>>106262555
I've already got a 1080p 60hz and I don't wanna just get rid of it

>>106262627
4060 or buy laptop cooler

>>106262762
Well than measure the available space you have and divide that by the size of two monitors and see how much you have left. Only you can decide if that is enough room to live with.

>>106262751
buy AMD CPU and used NVIDIA GPU

>>106262669
Prices are tiered. You have a certain cost for price below a certain kWh limit. If you cross that line, the € / kWh gets raised significantly.

So if you use 200 kWh and the cap is 210 kWh and you raise your usage to 220 kWh (10% increase), it won't be 10% higher but 200% higher due to you being in a higher tier now (just used random numbers for the example, don't know the actual prices/limits there).

I managed to get my power bill down to less than half by cutting my power usage by only 25% or so, because I was over the cap.

The idea behind it is that people who use that much power are not normal consumers but do some commercial production, or house a lot more people, or are being extremely wasteful. This however fucked up a lot of small companies who now can't afford to run their heating/cooling, for example small stores or restaurants.

>>106262733
From what I heard electronic goods prices are like 600% higher due to some tax on non-locally made goods, so I wouldn't feel that good. Like, a PS4 costs the equivalent of $3000 and people still game on Sega Genesis.

>>106262789
Money is not the issue, I'm obviously buying an AMD cpu but for the GPU it didn't seem obvious which was the best choice until the supers were announced. If AMD can't come out with something similar I won't have a choice but to go nvidia again.

>>106262347
>>106262530
Wait, you only said you have a height limit, right? If so, have you considered a horizontal pc case?

>>106261666
>Are people not fed up? Did people vote for this?
>The elitist thesis does not merely assert that in a society the minority makes the decisions and the majority obeys. This is an obvious truism with no power to explain political relationships. That fewer people issue laws, orders and instructions than receive and obey them is a fact scarcely worth commenting upon. The elitist argument is a much stronger one. It is that the dominant minority cannot be controlled by the majority wherever democratic mechanisms are used.
>[...]
>What happens in other forms of government—namely, that an organized minority imposes its will on the disorganized majority—happens also and to perfection, whatever the appearances to the contrary, under the representative system. When we say that the voters ‘choose’ their representative, we are using a language that is very inexact. The truth is that the representative has himself elected by the voters, and, if that phrase should seem too inflexible and too harsh to fit some cases, we might qualify it by saying that his friends have him elected. In elections, as in all other manifestations of social life, those who have the will and, especially, the moral, intellectual and material means to force their will upon others take the lead over the others and command them.
— Gaetano Mosca
Democracy is a meme, bro.

>>106262793
sounds dystopian af
so glad i was never born in the yurop union

>>106262819
>If AMD can't come out with something similar I won't have a choice but to go nvidia again.
Didn't AMD just announce a bunch of new GPUs?
>>106262840
>Wait, you only said you have a height limit, right? If so, have you considered a horizontal pc case?
I have 365x265mm hole for my PC basically, so there's a limit.

PC gaming is too expensive. A 9700x costs almost as much as a PS5 when they go on sale

>>106262865
>Didn't AMD just announce a bunch of new GPUs?
I thought those were for high level techbro stuff not consumer grade?

>>106262880
have you considered going for the 9600x?

>>106262793
Decades of chugging GazProm lobby money and shutting down LNG terminals and NPPs are catching up. You're going to feel some pain while error of your ways are being rectified.

>>106262880
The non-x3d parts on am5 are terrible buys though. Just buy Intel at that point.

>>106262906
Not everybody needs that much performance.

oh no a game runs 10% slower

big fucking deal.

>>106262793
No, only about 60% to 90% higher. I can get a PS5 Pro right now for about 1.2k dollars.

>>106262895
>>106262906
9600x < 14600k << 7800X3D

>>106262954
>>106262895
8 cores is the minimum that should be considered. 6 cores just stutter

>>106262939
>oh no a game runs 10% slower
I'm playing an 11 year old game that drops from 60 + fps down to 30s on a 10900k + 3080 in certain situations. Though some of that is due to the developer. Shit sucks.

>>106263001
see >>106262939
>Not everybody needs that much performance.

>>106263015
Turn down shadows from ultra to high, or turn off AA.

>>106263036
>just spend 200 dollars and except stutters
no im just gonna go buy a ps5

>>106263053
>except stutters
*accept
No idea what you're even talking about. What stutters?

>>106263053
just wait for the ps6 at this point

>>106263001
What game are you playing that stutters?

>>106263090
ue5 crap like the finals can be quite harsh even on the 9600x

>>106263073
>just wait almost 2 years

>>106262865
>365x265mm
The only thing available that can hold an ATX motherboard within those dimensions is an open case: the XTIA Xproto-ATX V2. Anything lower, you're looking at an mATX case.

>>106263119
Yeah I figured. Guess I'll just buy another chink case and rip all the panels off to open-stand it.

>>106263001
First of all retard that's not even how that works. Go buy an old xeon workstation and see how all of those cores works out for you.
Games contrary to popular belief can actually use e cores btw, with an i5 it's like having a skylake i7 strapped to the back.
And I thought you didn't need a powerful processor?
>>106263090
The ue5 stutters are totally single core dependent.

>>106263178
PS5 and xbox have 8 zen 2 cores. You need to at least meet this if you want to play new games well

>>106263280
I can't tell if you're ragebaiting or just that ignorant
There are 4 core processors that will do better than the consoles in a cpu bound and multithreaded game.

>>106263280
>PS5 and xbox have 8 zen 2 cores.
Pictured are 6 cores CPU beating 8 zen 3 cores. Somewhere directly under 14600k are 9600x and 9700x. Are you just trolling?

>>106263330
>stutters omitted
i dont care if it gets more fps. stutters are the worst thing to have

>>106263345
>stutters
%1 low FPS covers the "stutters". Can you prove they exist?

>>106263360
why did they omit the 0.1%?

Is PWM a meme for case fans? I'm going to buy 4 for my case and cheapest Artic PWM is twice as expensive as simple 3-pin.

>>106263373
>>106263360
>Can you prove they exist?

>>106263389
its not on me to prove they exist. Its on the manufacturer do to so. I had a 2600 and it stuttered in squad so i bought a 8 core cpu and it didnt stutter

>>106263381
I run all my case fans at 50% locked so I don't see the point, personally.

>>106263415
>its not on me to prove they exist
Yes it is, if you continue to insist 6 cores stutter and 8 do not.
>I had a 2600 and it stuttered in squad so i bought a 8 core cpu and it didnt stutter
Is that your proof? You're a retard.

Good job falling for the 8-core memes, what matters is having more than 8 or more threads (HT/SMT included).

>>106263434
my proof is my lived experiences.

Is ue5 an engine problem or a developer problem. Is it a rusty crumbling hammer or are developers just trying to use the hammer to clean a pool?

>>106263453
More on the game devs.

>>106263450
>insist 6 cores stutter and 8 do not.
>my proof is my lived experiences.
>2018 CPU stuttered in UE5 games
Then keep those bullshit claims for yourself, if your only proof is your limited personal experience.

>>106263453
It has a lot of problems, but devs today are unfathomably lazy and will never put in more than the absolute minimum, so

>>106263439
9700k bros our response??????????

>>106263453
Watching digital foundry they seem to think dx12 itself is problematic how it handles shaders and how it lumps too much onto individual devs.
Then unreal engine 5 is somewhat excused by the fact its used for a lot of stuff and it has to work okay on every application which adds workload that divides the teams attention.
Individual devs have more opportunities to screw themselves than before so smaller teams making overly ambitious games had some big issues on early ue5 versions that didnt natively fix those things. Well behaved games were made on unreal and how many problems you witness depends on the style of game. Corridor walking sims have easier time streaming things or initializing new actors than an open world game with a city full of npcs.

Then theres other more problematic engines. RE engine fucked things royally for dragons dogma 2 and monster hunter.

>everyone says "buy used", "buy used"
>go look at used prices
>guy wants $300 for an i3 rig from 2018

>>106263526
Doesn't matter what he wants. Matters what he gets. Look up listings that are month old, people g et a reality check and drop their prices after a while. Beats throwing e-waste away with zero recoup.

>>106263526
https://youtu.be/p9GBLVRPeaE

>>106263539
Sorry, but this is an ANTIQUE GTX 970. Can't let it go for a penny under $600.

>5070 ti
>9800x3d
>64gb ddr5 ram

>hooking it up to a 1080p 60hz monitor with a broken stand because my friend gave it to me for free and playing on a plastic folding table because I don't have a desk.

This will be me in 2 weeks

why do so many people unironically spend 5k on a pc but only spare a few hundred at the most on a monitor?

>>106263663
>4070 Ti Super
>14600K
>32GB DDR4 4000MHz because I'm a retard and wanted to save money (I didn't)
>lives inside coffee table on a sawn-off tin chink case
>hooked up to 1080p 60Hz because I like it

This is me now.

>>106263687
I don't want a bigger monitor. There isn't anything better here than 24" 60hz IPS flicker-free than I currently have, that isn't giant 27"+

>>106263687
Dey ig'nant

>>106263741
>I don't want a bigger monitor. There isn't anything better here than 24" 60hz IPS flicker-free than I currently have, that isn't giant 27"+
Well I lied. I could probably get 24" VA monitor that would have better colors. I will consider it, it's only 100 Euros or so.

Does ram speed and timings really matter? there's a 32gb ddr4 ram that has cl22 3200 that's pretty cheap compared to everything else

>>106263793
The black smearing isn't for everyone, but it's not as bad on newer VA panels.

>>106263802
None of this really matters man

>>106263802
Yes, they directly affect the latency.
>>106263811
Picrel is 100Hz 1080P 24" Philips monitor with VA for ~100 Euros. It only has HDMI though so that's a bit concerning. But I had good experiences with Philips before.

What do you mean by black smearing btw? is it like deep but uneven on VA panels? I don't mind the viewing angles.

>>106263861
>Yes, they directly affect the latency.
What does that mean exactly? i will mostly work and play single player games on it it's not like i'm an e-sports player

>>106263861
>What do you mean by black smearing btw? is it like deep but uneven on VA panels? I don't mind the viewing angles.

>>106263885
MHz is throughput (speed) and timings are latency (acceleration)
A 6000MHz kit with CL40 latency has very fast max speed, but slow on the uptake.
3600MHz kit with CL15 latency would be slower speed, but more responsive.

3200MHz CL22 is very slow. 3600MHz CL18 is very common, try to get at least that.

>>106263901
KEK then maybe not, thanks.

>>106263933
Again what's the difference in the real world? like i currently have ddr 3 1600mhz 8gb pc and i only notice probelms when i actually reach the full 8gb, when i don't i really don't notice any problems.

>>106263861
>Philips monitor
A Taiwanese display conglomerate (TPV, owner of AOC) has bought the rights to produce Philips-branded monitors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPV_Technology
Most new monitors shill flicker-free comfort feature, but few are certified.

>>106263965
>Again what's the difference in the real world?
With bad latency, CPU-bound games FPS would suffer.
Open world games (Skyrim), online FPS shooters and CPU-heavy sims (CIV, TotalWar etc.) would have stutters, low %1 and %0.1 FPS.

With bad frequency, modern UE5 games & big open world games (MonHun) would suffer.

3200 CL22 is both shit frequency and shit latency. If you're upgrading add literally $10 and get 3600 CL18 instead.

>>106263976
>Most new monitors shill flicker-free comfort feature, but few are certified.
Well I have good relations with nearby retail store clerks and I can return it no problem if it hurts my eyes. There are a bunch of HP, Samsung, Dell, AOC and other monitors up to 170 Euros, but they tend to be 180-244Hz which is a bit too much for me.

>>106264033
I strongly recommend the aoc minileds if you're looking for value. You don't see whatever that webm is showing on these. Worst comes to worst you just return it like you said.

>>106263741
>32GB DDR4 4000MHz because I'm a retard and wanted to save money (I didn't)
you bought it new, didn't you? you buy DDR4 on ebay in 2025

>>106264111
No, I only bought PSU, cooler & NVME new. Everything else was used.
>>106264059
Nothing is currently in stock here, but I can see that those models used to be on sale. I will keep a lookout for them, thanks for suggestion.

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>>106263687
Most people have only known dog shit lcd their entire life and do not know what an actual good screen is supposed to look like.

>>106264180
I've had CRT. What an actual screen is supposed to look like, anon? OLED for $900 that has mandatory menstruation schedule?

>>106264168
you can buy 3200 14-14-14 1.35 V on ebay for like $40
and run it at 4000 16-16-16 1.45-1.5 V
shop smart

>>106264191
>I've had CRT
cap

>>106262466
>muh russia
Yeah like they're a threat to anybody besides belarus and ukraine. Who gives a shit. How many ukranian shekels are you being paid to post this?

>>106262793
>Prices are tiered. You have a certain cost for price below a certain kWh limit. If you cross that line, the € / kWh gets raised significantly.
I don't think I have this but I have not checked my contract
shit, some apartments on rare occasions still have electricity included in contract as a flat fee, but rare

since I moved I have not done anything special and it has never been over a crazy amount so Idk
was not last time I had an apartment either

>>106262819
buy a 5090 if money is not the issue