Thread 106260475

what is the least bad solution for email in the current year?

>>106260475 (OP)
not the crap you are shilling, that's a given
kys

>>106260615
I put it as a bait image to get engagement on my thread

>>106260475 (OP)
>>106260615
>>106260664
>>106261076

Say it with me kids

There are no secure email services.

>>106260475 (OP)
Proton mail is literally honeypot garbage. Email is not private by default. Best course of action is obviously to host your own email server instead of using someone elses.

>>106260664
Yes Chang... you're very clever...
kys now

>another proton glowie thread
do not engage or spoonfed.

>>106261076
Is it hooked up to the mains for the e? Wake the postie up a bit.

>Despite Proton’s end-to-end encryption, it's legally required to comply with Swiss authorities when a crime is alleged. This has led to notable cases:

>In 2021, Proton handed over a user’s IP address to French authorities (via Europol and Swiss courts) regarding a climate activist—prompting outrage over perceived broken anonymity.

>In 2024, Proton provided a recovery email address linked to a Catalan activist to Spanish police, who then used it to identify and arrest the individual.

>In 2025, Proton reportedly complied with a U.S. warrant tied to vague threats, handing over metadata (like recovery email data) that enabled law enforcement to obtain further warrants across accounts such as Coinbase, Amazon, and Spotify.

>>106260475 (OP)
I have been using Posteo for many years and it only costs $13 annually.
You get what you pay for and all of you guys' woes are because you don't want to pay for anything.

>>106261173
Very interesting stuff.
Remember: if it's "free" then you're the product.

>>106260475 (OP)
Yandex

>>106261173
If your mail/vpn service isn't hosted in a crime ridden country free of US influence, you have no privacy.

Unfortunately self-hosting is the only answer. Email hosts were the first "cloud services"

>>106261173
Handing over IP addresses when ordered by a court is a far cry from scanning all email by default to exploit your info for financial gain. Proton seems at least a massive step up from google/microsoft mail.

I enjoy all of the non-answers in this thread, and no one actually responds to the OP. Barring Outlook and Google because, what other e-mail providers are "not bad enough" to be used? Yahoo? AOL?

why do you even need email to be secure? if you're doing shady shit you do it in person not through email lol

>>106261101
yeah and get shadowfiltered by every provider

>pronton glowie keeps self-bumping, waiting for that sweet spoonfed
its all so tiresome.

>>106263678
>I know of the best solution for email but I'm not going to tell you haha

>>106263547
fastmail because you have to pay for it

>>106261090
Pff- maybe for you grandpa, I am behind 7 proxies and nordvpn.

>>106261173
all opsec issues

>>106263364
Privacylets don't understand this

>>106260475 (OP)
GPG with any provider

>>106262085
Unironically this (at least until we become frens with Russia again)

>>106264253
>>106261490
>>106261477
>If you really want to be anonymoose h4x0r hand over your credit card info
Fucking retards

>>106266088
>He doesn't pay with laundered crypto

>>106266164
Can also pay cash in mail for most of the "privacy" email providers.

>>106260475 (OP)
Set up your own mail or just use Gmail, it's still worth it lol
No need to give your data to 20 companies.

>>106264344
>nordvpn.
fucking lmao

>>106263639
>he doesnt use pm.me

>>106266274
proton were the first to offer cash payment. not anymore and they tell you that u get 1 vpn connection with any service u buy but its the free one lmao

>>106261101
>best way is to attract attention to yourself
I'll stick to google email.

>>106261490
It doesn't matter if it's free or not, basically any service is going to comply with a local court order because the people running the service would rather you go to jail than they do.

>>106261173
>Despite Proton’s end-to-end encryption
>Proton handed over a user’s IP address to French authorities
So they didn’t hand over any of the emails themselves? Also what are you suggesting they should have done? Refused and then get banned in the EU?

>>106260475 (OP)
O365 if you dont care about privacy.
Whatever Stallman uses if you do.

>>106260475 (OP)
Proton now seems to require a recovery email (at least, it did for me before it would let me sign up for more things), so it's roughly on par with all the rest now unfortunately

>>106260475 (OP)
I wish self-hosting emails would be viable, but it's just isn't; corpos have made it nearly impossible and regulators are either (or both), too corrupt or incompetent to fix this. So I gave up and just endup sticking with gmail + gsuite + custom domains with aliases. It's literally over.

>>106267918
I just recently tried Proton and didn't require from me recovery email. It just gave me a pdf file with a generated recovery passphrase and that's about it.

>>106260615
Cope you troll! Here's a song for you:
https://files.fatbox.moe/l1jgp9.mp3

I just hope services like Proton add enough of extra layer, which no one will be arsed to go through the hassle of getting info from, and then going through my corrupt shithole country VPN provider on top of that, just for saying naughty words my government doesn't like on the internet.

Hopefully, there'll be enough easier targets to keep the busy before they get to me.

>>106263364
This.

Remember Google, Cloudware, rtc. all willingly shut down ALL their services when Israel attacked Iran this year.

Yes this happened.

Yes, all these American companies willingly shut down their core internet infrastructure at the request of a foreign government attacking another country.

And, you think google is protecting your email privacy? Lol. Lmao even.

tutanota is the only answer

>>106270001
Please don't shill here glowie.

>>106260475 (OP)
riseup

bump. im curious about this too.

>>106267759
Running postfix + dovecot on a cheap VPS is the optimal choice, I don't care what kind of attention it brings.

>>106260475 (OP)
iCloud
private enough and you won't be mistaken for a pedophile when giving your email to someone

>>106261076
/thread

>>106266819
Got curious and checked, their support pages indicate cash-in-mail as an option still. https://proton.me/support/payment-options

>>106260475 (OP)
currently using migadu with a custom domain, its like $20/year total and i think its worth it, ill probably host my own mail server some time

>>106264347
using email is an opsec issue

>>106265109
yeah because everyone ur emailing even knows what gpg is? u forget everyone is retarded

>>106273337
This is true, that's why John McAfee said he uses gmail because at least they notify him when governments ask for his data. If you need private communication or are committing crimes, don't use email lol

>>106260475 (OP)
Unironically what you posted. The seething you'll get from terminally online virgin child porn distributors on /g/ is unwarranted. It's good enough for every normal human.

Google is the worst, for the simple reason that even if you're a good gentile and never break any rules you might get locked out of your account just due to broken automated procedural stuff with absolutely no hope of ever contacting support to get back in.
>"hurr durr it looks like you're trying to log in 5km from your last login location, please verify your recovery address"
>*verifies address*
>*infinite loop back to login screen, never able to get in*
>search for issue online
>one 15 year old google newsgroup post
>marked as answered and closed by Singh Patel

>>106261090
the boomer lawmakers are right on this one, emails are inherently insecure
but a good email service makes it easier to for you to contact your local government

>>106261101
Just don't use email for private matters. Keep glowies happy by receiving newsletters and signing to accounts through it. Use other mediums for actual communication.

>>106261173
I'm curious. In almost all these scenarios they weren't able to subpoena the person's personal computer and force their way into it. Does that mean you hypothetically couldn't be compelled to surrender your own email server?

>>106260475 (OP)
Not using email for anything more than sign-ins and newsletters. If you need to be secure, use either Signal protocol or PGP.

They want me to delete my free storage emails!!!
I have junk emails from Yahoo, Gmail going back to 2005-2008.

NO, I will not. They now want to delete internet email history so I can gen the image. How bad are they going to push and delete the past so dumb ai/video images can get made. Yahoo reduce its free storage and gmail will wipe out everything if left idling for 2 years. I will not comply!!

Also they are using vast amounts of water for data centers. We are not going to make it, billionaires can move anywhere with water, everyone else is screwed.

>>106276680
Too much being tied to Gmail is not good. Im going to move to a paid email like Fastmail. The plan is to use that for stuff like banking etc. There is too much inertia built over the years to completely ditch my gmail, but my plan is to move it to be my secondary for stuff I dont want on my main.

>>106263602
It's the principle of the matter. Imagine if some fag knocked on your door and said they were going to be putting a camera with tripod in your living room and you weren't allowed to turn it off or obscure it because some freaks in the internetight pay them for footage of you doing stuff at home. Everyone agrees without question that's a violation of your rights and that you're entitled to privacy. This is no different, but for some reason, though, when it's on the computer everyone glazes over and acts like laws and principles don't apply. Sometimes they try to insinuate since they built the service they have a right to, but would you turn around and say the construction company that built your house come in and install cameras for the above reason? No. It's time to quit enabling this nonsense.

>>106276680
Thats why you use two computers.

>>106276680
Gmail deserves to die if nothing else then for this. The most popular email system in Earth for over a decade plus and you can easily get permanently locked out of your own account. I've lost numerous ones due to losing my phone and having to get a new one with a new number.

>>106260475 (OP)
I recently got mail from Mozilla that they're soon to release their thundermail thing. Let's see how it's gonna go

>>106277707
In the early Android days, Google Authenticator did not back up to the cloud. So if you lost/broke your phone you could not access your 2FA codes in Google Authenticator. If you didnt have or couldnt access your back up codes(on vaction etc) you could be permnantly locked out of your gmail. This was made even worse by the recovery codes for many of your accounts being email to the gmail account you are locked out of. Its better now, but not by much.

I use posteo
Works well enough, is recommend by the FSF, no problems.

https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems

>>106260475 (OP)
self-hosting, probably

>>106277767
>1 EUR per month
>100% green energy
not paying for my mail when it's probably blocked by 90% of services also wtf is with euros and green shit

>>106279467
If it doesn't cost money you're the product

>>106260475 (OP)
I've been trying the proton suite for a while, it appears decent, I like aliases a lot (I fear the internet will catch up to it soon and blacklist the domain, it already started).

The problem with proton is, normies are not using it and sharing a document hosted on proton drives requires them to create an account (they wont).

My main problem is, you can create 10 or 15 emails, yet they all emails end up in the same inbox making things a pain to manage.

Also all decent services will sell your ass to the glowies if they can if the threat is serious enough...

>>106279467
>also wtf is with euros and green shit
A lot, but in short, most state related contracts need suppliers and suppliers of suppliers (and so on) to source green energy or they are eliminated from the tender process.

The way it translates is, companies have to pay extra to get certificates to prove the energy was "green", for electricity it's around 2 to 4 € perm mwh, for natural gaz it's around 20€.

Because of that, some companies who don't need green energy decide to get some anyway because it looks good. The only real green energy in Europe is either PPA greenfield or produced with solar panel directly on site.

The craziest is, renewable energy mean of production are "green" for around a decade, after that they are considered "brown" and depending on the way you want to greenwash are not enough... (greenfield vs brownfield)

For third party hosters, you need to play a game of looking at the privacy policy and seeing if you
>believe that they are following these rules (you can search for legal subpeona's regarding the e-mail provider to see if the info they say they have on you is what they actually have)
>and believe that they are friendly to anonymity friendly options, like Tor.
I would say anecdotally, the cock e-mail service and Proton are the most "honest" based on reading their court orders (they seem to only give out what they promise they have on you).

>>106263344
I second this. Self-hosting is the only way to control your information disclosure. E-mail is inherently not very private, though, and they are not ephemeral.

For third party hosters, you need to play a game of looking at the privacy policy and seeing if you
>believe that they are following these rules (you can search for legal subpeona's regarding the e-mail provider to see if the info they say they have on you is what they actually have)
>and believe that they are friendly to anonymity friendly options, like Tor.
I would say anecdotally, the cock e-mail service and Proton are the most "honest" based on reading their court orders (they seem to only give out what they promise they have on you).

>>106263344
I second this. Self-hosting is the only way to control your information disclosure. E-mail is inherently not very private, though, and they are not ephemeral.

>retards still posting on the proton glowie thread
never change /g.

>>106263344
>>106280379
doesn't self hosting just give away all your data to a random romanian guy?

>>106279718
>My main problem is, you can create 10 or 15 emails, yet they all emails end up in the same inbox making things a pain to manage.
that's just how aliasing works in email. you suppose then to filter your inbox by a specific alias.

>>106264253
You get what you pay for

>>106263364
This. It is an improvement, but not perfect. If you want perfect, then don't use email or even use a computer at all.

why it's pissmail, of course

>>106260475 (OP)
>normie shit
Just use gmail.
>naughty stuff???
Alternate/disposable gmail.
>super secret communications
Use gmail. but encrypt your message.

>>106270571
nah but fr, why is tuta bad?

Clear points are presented against Protonmail specifically in the thread. I guess the more general points regarding email itself cover it but other than that? Appreciate it

>>106277675
Excellently put.

I use this because it has push notifications in the native iOS mail app

>>106260615
fucking zoomer faggot

>>106280843
>SELF hosting
>random romanian guy
Only if you're a literal random romanian guy.

>>106285021
>just give us your phone number and if for any reason you lose access to it you'll also lose access to your email
lol how about no

>>106266295
>Set up your own mail or just use Gmail, it's still worth it lol
Can't make gmail without phone number any more.

>>106276680
Yeah, I've been working on migrating all of my accounts to a new e-mail. I had two gmail accounts, I already deleted the older one but the second one I have it tied to my phone, so I might wait until I have to replace it so I can finally delete it too. I swear at one point when I checked my account settings, I saw my real information when I'm pretty sure I never added it, and next time I did my "name" was back to the nickname I use. That's what made me start working on migrating everything out of Google.

ok let me conclude
yandex is the best
no more discussions

>>106260475 (OP)
>ctrl f
>resend
>aws ses
>cloudflare
>0 results

What the fuck is this thread

>>106286998
op is asking for good solutions, not trillion dollar sell all your info corporate solutions

>>106286998
I'm talking about personal email not spam sending services

Isn't selfhosting issue because gmail will automatically put your mails to trash?
I made a email at mail.com but that doesn't support smtp...

If i want to hide thing, i don't use email or just i make my own email server.

>>106261477
germany is zogged, but you should be fine as long as you are restricting your speech