Thread 106261821

There are no Linux equivalents to Foobar2000
F2K is not just a "music player", its an ID3 tagger, a playlist player/creator/manager, lyric viewer/editor/downloader, equalizer, youtube player, all that and more (almost two decades of plugins that still work) with a layout you can customize as much as you want. It's quite literally the ideal Linux program yet does not have an equivalent in it.
Why is that?
>whatever tinker tranny retarded shit you suggest
Does not even begin to resemble how powerful and extensible f2k is, if I just wanted something that plays songs id just throw the fucking folder on mpv.

>>106261821 (OP)
>Why is that?
Probably because all of that just to listen to music isn't something someone of higher intelligence is going to want.

>>106261849
Wrong thread, freak, go post your worthless riced mpd trash on /fglgbt/ or whichever hole you came from.

>>106261821 (OP)
Doesn't it work well on wine? Otherwise I agree. The music player scene on Linux is really grim.

>>106261821 (OP)
>ID3 tagger, a playlist player/creator/manager, lyric viewer/editor/downloader, equalizer, youtube player, all that and more (almost two decades of plugins that still work)
Bloat

>>106261873
It does work mostly well, few issues when it comes to the equalizer like crackling.
It's just that having to set up wine just because of it is quite annoying and it's honestly quite baffling that no one ever bothered to make a proper competitor.

>>106261821 (OP)
What about DeaDBeeF?

https://deadbeef.sourceforge.io/

>>106261821 (OP)
Just vibe code yourself a replacement

Musicbee works fine for me on arch

check out fooyin https://fooyin.org/

>>106262010
>>106262218
>>106262515
No support to check audio files against AR. Probably doesn't do secure offset corrected ripping either.

>>106262010
>>106262218
Don't care if "werks" for you if all you do is click play on the dogshit you downloaded off youtube.

>>106263247
Not a request, I already know it doesn't exist. This is a thread about the why.

>>106261821 (OP)
>Why is that?
because it runs perfectly fine through wine

>>106261821 (OP)
I remember my foobar days as a teenager...
I'm a musicbee chad now though

>most popular f2k theme is the ncmpcpp
there's your answer

>>106261821 (OP)
fooyin

>>106264716
>>106262515
>hurr durr it haz de saem logoe = saem thang!!

>>106261821 (OP)
>its an ID3 tagger, a playlist player/creator/manager, lyric viewer/editor/downloader, equalizer, youtube player, all that and more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy
based retard

>>106265407
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
cringe nigger

*solves all your problems*

>>106265493
sloppa doesn't even support synced lyrics

deadbeef

>>106261821 (OP)
>There are no Linux equivalents
Or to Honeyview (also has no alternative to itself sadly) or Sumatrapdf

>>106261821 (OP)
Audacious.

I don't miss foobar at all, it was a nice piece of software but most of its features were not useful to me.

>>106266106
I liked it just for its winamp visualization mod but then windows support boards told me I had to reformat or never get security updates again and that was the end of that.

>>106265944
>Sumatrapdf
I'm surprised there isn't a port of this considering it's open source, it's the only pdf viewer that can really handles those giant 500mb pdfs with huge images.

>>106266026
>>106265924
>>106264716
>>106264393
>>106263952
>>106262515
>>106262218
>>106262010
>whatever tinker tranny retarded shit you suggest
Does not even begin to resemble how powerful and extensible f2k is, if I just wanted something that plays songs id just throw the fucking folder on mpv

>>106266320
ok baby duck, back to windows with you.

>>106261873
it does work perfectly. Funny how non of the native linux music player can compete at all.

>>106266320
>over 5 quotes
GLOWING

I luv poobar.
But on linux I had to settle for deadbeef

>>106266390
Yes, here at FBI HQ we all use foobar.

>What about this ugly autistic program which hasn't been updated since 2014 and has a quarter of the functionality of Musicbee or Foobar?
>Works fine for me
>Oh, what do I listen to? Just anime theme songs I download from YouTube
Every single fucking time. No, there is no good Linux music player.

>>106262218
oh my fucking god

I like clementine sidebar (mint), flatpak works alright

For mainstream formats it literally doesn't matter what the fuck you use.

>>106262010
Close, but it renders a number of my videogame music rips wrong, so I'm stuck with foobar. 32-bit foobar at that, because some faggot that maintained the plugins in question decided to get extra faggoty with the introduction of 64-bit foobar so there's no 64-bit version of the plugins.

Linux distros have a package managers so installing a ID3 tagger isn't a prohibitively impossible task the way it is on Windows when you need one.

>>106261821 (OP)
It seems to me that the fact that F2K can do all of those things is one reason that it's not part of Linux. The Linux ethos is very much one-tool-for-one-job, which is the opposite approach that megacorpos have tried to push (Apple/Google/etc all want users to become dependent on a single product).

I like F2K, I used it for many years when I was still on Windows, but after switching to Linux last year I can't say that I particularly miss it. Anything that I used it to do can still be done.

how has nobody mentioned Qmmp

https://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/

>>106268026
Because it's inferior to DeaDBeeF.

I still use Cantata

Anyone using Quod Libet? I think it's pretty neat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_Libet_(software)

>>106261902
Don't tell me you store your music without proper tagging like ReplayGain?
Deadbeef is good, don't get me wrong, but there is nothing like foobar2000 and its audio tag tools.

>>106268332
Whenever I download an album I just run MusicBrainz Picard and it tags everything automatically.

I EQ with a config file in some pipewire folder and I currently use the strawberry music player. ive been meaning to switch to a tui music player but they all require daemons and complicated configuration setups for no real reason in my opinion

>>106261821 (OP)
>proprietary
Lol, who fucking? I have strawberry that works perfectly fine for me.

>>106261821 (OP)
Isn't audio still fucked on most distros? Especially if you use shit comparable to WASAPI and an external DAC/AMP?
One of the main reasons I'll probably switch to 10 LTSC instead of some shit I have to tinker with every fucking time I want to do anything.

>>106268332
>ReplayGain
I hope whoever created this shit rots in hell

>>106268365
it works on my pc

>>106268346
Like this. No need to manually edit tags unless you're making your own music.

>>106268332
you can write a small program reads playlists, listens for signals to control playback, reads a text db for replay volume and starts/stops ffplay with the relevant parameters in a couple dozen lines
you can add a few more lines for each feature from the OP that you want and now you have a foobar-like system that perfectly integrates with the rest of your system according to your personal tastes
want to use different equalizer presets for different combinations of track and output destination? you can do that, easy. want to always display the lyrics on a predefined screen region? you can do that, too. that's much more powerful and extensible than relying on premade plugins for a standalone suite

>>106268530
>>106261821 (OP)
>>106261912
>>106266498
>>106268365
>MOMMMYYYY
>PRESSING ENTER ONCE ON 4CHAINZ ISNT CREATING PARAGRAPH LIKE IT DOES ON REDDIT
>SO I WILL KEEP DOING IT
>MOMMYYYYYYY
>PEOPLE ARE CALLING ME RETARDED
>MY FEEFEES HURT
>I DEMAND A TROON BY MY SIDE

>>106269062
Who are you quoting?

>>106269068
You.

>>106269070
Nah I don't think so.

>>106269075
Sure thing, Timmy.

>>106267833
>>106265423

>>106269062
This shit stays up while I get a warning for calling someone who posts retarded software with 0 feature parity a retard btw.

>>106262010
can you transcode files with it ?

>>106269860
>defends mentally ill newfags
>cries to trannies
>calls everyone else retarded

>>106271638
No :) Which is one of the features I use quite often.
I forgot to add in the OP, but I'm certain that if I had at least a dozen truly smart fellas would've surely certainly mentioned how ffmpeg just werkz for them, because you know, using the terminal to copypaste a command you found on stack overflow makes you reaaaaaally smart.

All recommended ones ITT suck.
This is a new one that's looking promising but I haven't tried it yet:
https://github.com/fooyin/fooyin
It's hard to replace foobar because the main reason I use it is the plugins.

>>106261821 (OP)
funnily enough macos doesn't either - you don't get format converter there, and (pet peeve) no waveform seek bar addon
it's really annoying when you hear all your life how winblows is gutter trash and then you see the alternatives like macos or arch or whatever the fuck and they have like a tenth of the software available AND it works worse AND (if macos) you get nickel-and-dimed for every other shitty script that doesn't even work as advertised
linux can shit off. macos can shit off as well, as soon as winblows laptops finally figure out how to have good battery life and camm2 ram

>>106272047
>>106262515
Didn't see your post sorry
t. retard

>>106272047
Refer to this (now kindly deleted by the mods) post saar: >>106264724 and >>106269860

>>106268182
>Anyone using Quod Libet?
Yes it randomly crashes when using the seek bar, the UI is kinda shitty and has little in the way of tweaking it and the feature set is middling.
It's usable but not particularly good. It can't even play audio from common video files like .webm, like are you serious?

>>106272088
Not saying it's the same but it's the only promising clone in development currently.

>>106268182
Forgot to reply to this one too, it doesn't even support synced lyrics and I had to tweak the python files in order to scrobble properly. Don't remember why though since it's niggerware and I uninstalled soon after.
>>106272111
Yes, like I said in the OP and >>106263357 I already know nothing even remotely similar exists on Linux, this is a thread about why.

>>106272047
>chinks make cheap junk
>chinks make cheap electronics that aren't junk
>chinks are the last refuge of local AI sloppa
>now chinks are also writing my software
maybe I should learn chinese and go be the token blonde gweilo in shenzen

>https://fooyin.org/
Only drawback is the lack of the ability to transcode music.

amerimutt try to read the thread before posting shit challenge: impossible

>>106261821 (OP)
Yeah that's kind of not the unix philosophy to do that all in one thing I guess.
I'd rather have dedicated tools for all of that I guess.

>>106272248
>>106265423

>>106261821 (OP)
Qmmp can do all of this through plugins (90% of which are bundled and simply need to be activated in preferences). Recent versions can handle youtube via integration with FFmpeg or MPV as well. Your loss if you're too retarded to ditch Windows becaus of one program.

>>106272253
>emacs
>unix philosophy
Are you for real?

>>106272286
if RMS doesnt give a shit about that faggot ass shit why should i
also isnt linux a literal monolith kernel? (OH MY GAWSSHHHH IT HAS ZO MANY THANGS IN ITT!!!!!!MAI OOONIGS PHYLOSOPHIIII!!!1111!!!!@!11!!!!!@!!!)

whats wrong with deadbeef

>>106262010
havent used it for a long time but deadbeef at least used to be a fine collection of bugs. for example it could crash anytime when changing song and it corrupted bunch of my files when i was trying to add replaygain data to songs.

>>106272286
Also post the Plan9 workstation you're posting this from, you ARE adhering to the utmost standards of Unix Philosophy to ALL your software, right? You wouldn't want it doing MORE things than the utter necessary, right? (the only thing allowed to be bloated near you is your own disgusting fat body, everything else should be as slim and single purpose as possible, your shit NEET time in this earth doesn't matter after all).

>>106272311
>>106272360
>being this mad
>projecting this hard
Anon, please.

>>106272420
I don't understand why niggers like you think saying "lololol projecting lololol" is an instant win card, you're a fucking retarded nigger, get it? The shit you post doesn't make fucking sense and its only utility is to bump the thread, not only it was posted before but its also utterly retarded like you. Who the fuck cares about Unix philosophy in 2025? How many things are you using that adhere to it? Almost nothing in your fucking OS is like that and the person who made the little niggerlicious examples you surely had your fingers burning to type (coreutils gcc etc) comes from the same place Emacs is from, so not even them really give a shit about it.
Fucking Unix philosophy lmao you're probably using a systemD distro you fucking nigger.

>>106261821 (OP)
Worked fine under Wine but the NTFS driver was so shit it wasn't a pleasant experience.
No, I'm not gonna migrate 10TB of data to your meme filesystem just because.

how does wine work anyway, is it a full VM or just a wrapper around a single program
ie is it even worth using for relatively-replaceable software like foobar

>>106261821 (OP)
>F2K is not just a "music player", its an ID3 tagger, a playlist player/creator/manager, lyric viewer/editor/downloader, equalizer, youtube player, all that and more (almost two decades of plugins that still work) with a layout you can customize as much as you want. It's quite literally the ideal Linux program yet does not have an equivalent in it.
that doesn't sound like the ideal program at all. it's doing way too much, a lot of those things should be completely separate services.

>>106272657
>an ideal audio player shouldn't give you the ability to convert between audio formats or change tags of audio files
???????

>>106272615
>how does wine work anyway
Wine is a compatibility layer capable of running Windows applications on several POSIX-compliant operating systems, such as Linux, macOS, & BSD. Essentially, Wine is a “dynamic loader” for Windows executables. It’s a native binary, hence it can just run normally, and it knows how to deal with EXE and DLLs.

Wine loads the Windows executable into memory, parses it, figures out the dependencies, figures out where the executable code is, and then finally jumps into that code.

See the following link for more: https://werat.dev/blog/how-wine-works-101/

Tldr?
>is it a full VM
It's not a VM at all.

>is it wrapper around a single program
No.

>is it even worth using
Yes. If you need to run Windows software on another OS, it offers great performance and compatibility in most circumstances, and is far more efficient than using a VM.

>>106272657
This is your brain on Unix.

>>106272749
>hurr Music player, nah senpai I have a music player OS
>durr I boot into my music player just to read the lyrics of songs and look at the album art while I watch the squiggly lines of the eq visualizer dance around.
>horf dorf sometimes I just mute the audio and watch my screen

>>106272770
That's right. I love using my Music Player OS even on mute.

>>106272801
Calm down, kiddo, no need to repeat yourself.

>>106272819
My love for Music Player OS is worth stating over and over again.

>>106261821 (OP)
I mean, no, but Foobar runs perfectly fine on Wine.

>>106261849
You seem to perceive yourself as someone intelligent, in spite of sounding very, very stupid. Why is that?

>>106272827
based. I wish I knew love.

>>106272420 stays up yet >>106272462 gets baleeted and 3 day banned LOL! i heckin love reddit 2.0!

>>106261821 (OP)
Spotify does all that, I never heard of
Poobar

>>106272854
Well, stupid, you guessed wrong it _seems_. I was talking about the developers of music playing software for GNU+Linux, who probably don't care too much about about much of that. They probably just want the metadata to display correctly and the music to play properly.

>why doesn't the OS that runs on servers not have a fully featured music player
u srs nigga

>>106272980
The problem is freetards still insist that their OS is a suitable replacement for Windows or Mac OS. And when confronted about it they double down instead of acknowledging it's a server OS.

>>106273204
there are people who aren't doing creative work or codeslop that use macos as their mac driver. for those linux is essentially indistinguishable since they get none of the mac upsides and all the downsides

>>106273230
MS Office is still not available for Linux. This is normalfag-tier software.
Anyway, most useless eaters have already migrated to cell phones or tablets.

>>106273204
No, GNU+Linux is a perfectly viable replacement for Windows, and isn't just a server OS. The problem is stupid people thinking their music player needs to have a web browser, video player, and file conversion utility inside it.

>>106273247
what software should allow you to convert audio files if not your audio player?

>>106273268
According to Unix weenies you need an audio format detector, a bitrate analyzer, a metadata stripper, a volume normalizer... each one piped into a huge bash monstrosity to avoid the godless convenience of right clicking an audio file.

>converting audio
but why
what's wrong with flac

>>106272672
yes, that's right. idk how this is confusing to you
an ideal audio player should play audio. why would i expect a player to convert something? that's what my converter is for.

>>106273316
>each one piped into a huge bash monstrosity
why would you do this instead of just having all your services attend to your library autonomously, in the background, while you sleep, so that when you go to play your audio you don't need to normalize the volume or fix the metadata on the fly because it's already been done?

>>106261821 (OP)
>music player
pacat
>id3 tagger
mid3v2
>playlist
ls/rm/mv
>lyric downloader
links
>viewer/editor
vi
>equalizer
idk desu
>youtube player
yt-dlp + see above
>layout you can customize as much as you want
tmux
>There are no Linux equivalents to Foobar2000
it turns out that was a lie

>>106273316
A propriecuck capable of learning? Well, I never

>>106261821 (OP)
Huge music avicianados don't flee Windows to linux they flee windows to mac.

>>106273408
>you pay taxes so people like that can leech off of welfare

>>106273408
>>106273395
This is your brain on freetardism (free as in lots of free time because you don't have a job).

>>106273423
>they flee windows to mac
mac has even worse music players than linux, unless there exists some $25/mo subscription one I've never heard of

>>106273458
cope

>>106261821 (OP)
i totally feel you, only thing that comes close is using winamp through wine, also doing foobar2000 with wine does not work, atleast for me

>>106272001
It turns out you can.

>>106265902
>F2K is not just a "music player", its an ID3 tagger, a playlist player/creator/manager, lyric viewer/editor/downloader, equalizer, youtube player, all that and more (almost two decades of plugins that still work) with a layout you can customize as much as you want. It's quite literally the ideal Linux program
This is what I used to think Linux was about, you load up some full featured program that does everything, with plenty of menu options to customise it however you want. That was before I actually used Linux. The reality is that you get 6 different, half-baked interpretations of the same program and if you want any customisation you get told to either code the feature yourself or use one of the other half-baked alternatives.

foobar, paint.net, mpc-hc... fuck, that stuff was comfy. especially paint.net.

>>106268062
Qmmp utterly mogs deadbeef.