Thread 106264720

GNUnet
>general purpose P2P networking framework with a much broader design philosophy
>Protocol stack for anonymity networks, file sharing, distributed DNS (GNS), P2P messaging, mesh routing, reputation systems and decentralized PKI
>GNUnet’s goal is to replace key Internet protocols with privacy-preserving equivalents — not just to tunnel over the existing net.
>No IP layer dependency — unlike Tor/I2P which leak network-level metadata if misconfigured, GNUnet can run over multiple transports (TCP, UDP, WLAN, Bluetooth, mesh).
>GNUnet can insert dummy traffic to make traffic analysis harder.
>Peer IDs separate from IPs — prevents correlation between your network address and identity.
>detects and throttles bad actors (spammers, Sybil attacks) without centralized authority.
>End-to-end encrypted routing — applies across all services, not just a “browser proxy.”
>Other networks are built for one main thing (e.g., Tor for anonymous TCP streams), but GNUnet modules can be swapped from mesh, WLAN, Tor transport, Bluetooth, IPv4, IPv6 or IPv8 (custom protocol stack over IPv6)
>can use CADET (secure end-to-end channels) or mesh routing algorithms.
>has file sharing, messaging, GNS and VPN-like tunnels.
>GNUnet has no central bootstrap infrastructure — any peer can join via any transport it supports, even offline-first setups.
GNS replaces DNS entirely with a decentralized, censorship-resistant name system.
>Resists DNS poisoning and takedown requests.
>Names are bound to cryptographic zones, not ICANN.
>GNUnet supports full mesh operation without Internet, hybrid mode where it bridges mesh peers with Internet peers, and offline message routing and store-and-forward
>If the Internet is partially down, Tor/I2P mostly die unless relays remain online. GNUnet can keep running via ad-hoc mesh or local transport backbones – built for hostile, partitioned, or censored networks.

>>106264720 (OP)
Meanwhile...

Tor
>Optimized for low-latency onion routing over the existing Internet (TCP).
>Tor has directory authorities centralized choke points.

I2P
>Garlic routing, but still primarily an overlay network for anonymous services.
>I2P has reseed servers bootstrap dependency.

Hyphanet
>Censorship-resistant file storage & retrieval; anonymity is secondary to content persistence.

Lokinet
>Focused on onion routing + IP compatibility; narrow scope.

CJDNS/Hyperborea/Yggdrasil/Batman-adv
>Mesh + encrypted IPv6 overlay with static public keys as addresses. (CJDNS)
>More experimental, small community meshnet; no broad protocol stack. (Hyperborea)
>Self-organizing encrypted IPv6 mesh routing. (Yggdrasil)
>Layer 2 mesh routing protocol, not a privacy tool. (Batman-adv)
>BATMAN-adv/Yggdrasil/CJDNS are great for mesh routing, but don’t have anonymity or distributed services built in.

>>106264720 (OP)
>distributed DNS (GNS)
How does GNS prevent people from squatting on all the cool names while also letting me keep my name?
I've had my personal domain name registered for 16 years now. Could I do that with GNS?

>>106264787
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9498#name-names-and-zones
So they just don't make names globally unique and you get a list of services when you look up memorable names?

I guess that's actually not completely crazy and it's how people use the internet in practice. It still would be nice to be able to look up a trust anchor with a memorable name like you can with DNS but I guess in practice no one really does that.

>>106264720 (OP)
So you would say gnunet is the best option right now for privacy? Ive been meaning to make some privacy prototype apps for my github, maybe I will look into it. The main issue for me is all these systems have low userbases (except Tor) but its slow asf and probably a massive honeypot at this point.

>>106264720 (OP)
All of those altnets are dead and nobody uses them so who cares?

>>106264857
Yes. Also, If you wanted to connect to the regular internet over GNUnet all you'd need to do is route your traffic w/ GNUnet as the skeleton via port forwarding and you can use a standard browser like IceCat to stay online (IceCat has LibreJS so you can both remain anonymous on the web and not have to resort to a terminal browser just to avoid tracking; it's 100% Libre out the box). Also, install Gentoo.

>>106264938
But that's assuming you didn't have an ISP or were offline. It's basically a parallel internet that's dynamic instead of just static like CJDNS. So in other words, instead of cached pages, you can interact and send outbound traffic still with no central point of failure.

Even though I've been aware of GNUnet's existence for almost two decades, I've never installed it as it has always seemed too experimental. Just checked it and it's still on 0.x... guess I'll have to wait another decade until it reaches version 1.

GNUnet is very based.
Guix will use ERIS with GNUnet in the future.
>Decentralized substitute distribution with ERIS
https://issues.guix.gnu.org/52555

>>106264720 (OP)
>framework
>backend
>protocol
These motherfuckers will make anything except something useful to 99% of the population.

Tor made me realise how superfluous DNS is. Nobody types in domain names by hand anymore anyway.

>>106266776
It's not for you,
back to your iBinkie kid!

Will there be a version written is rust?

>>106269028
why?

>>106270137
Ikr? Rust is Java-based. That shit is incredibly insecure. Hyphanet was written in Rust. It tries to rebrand Java. It's trash.

>>106270172
>Rust is Java-based

>>106271507
good morning sir

>>106270172
>Rust is Java-based
how to redeem rust sir

>>106264720 (OP)
How will this compare to Veilid once it is mature?

I made a post about how it will likely be better than I2P once mature, but I know next to nothing about GNUnet. Sell me.

>>106240980

>>106276646
>>106264720 (OP)
Let me add one thing. I am only interested in how anonymous it is compared to Veilid.

I am not too interested in this:
>If the Internet is partially down, Tor/I2P mostly die unless relays remain online. GNUnet can keep running via ad-hoc mesh or local transport backbones – built for hostile, partitioned, or censored networks.

It seems rather useless unless you live in PRC or something, and then the government would probably still shut you down.

Also these alternate routes it would take would likely be slow and not too useful unless we're talking about some nuclear holocaust situation.

Although I guess it might be mildly useful in the case of some major fiber cuts and your ISP lacks access to the remaining working Tier 1 providers

>>106264720 (OP)
can i make a website on the gNUnet anon?

>>106267811
>Tor made me realise how superfluous DNS is.
indeed

>>106264720 (OP)
>IPv8
No one is using an obsolete protocol merged into ipv6 over 30 years ago
>Zero mention of modern Freenet despite being in heavy active development
Pic rel

>>106276700
>I am only interested in how anonymous it is
At the risk of sounding like a glowie, why?
As far as I know the only ones who get deanonymized regular-ish on altnets like TOR are high-profile criminals running cp or drug markets. The average whistleblower is probably safe.
Censorship resistance and fighting the commercialized internet (whatever that means) seem like more worthwhile endeavors.

>>106278106
>>Zero mention of modern Freenet despite being in heavy active development

>>106278731
>Freenet
>We re-wrote it in Rust
>We no longer care about anonymity
Why are Rust rewrites always accompanied by glow-ops? I'm surprise they didn't change the license terms while they were at it too, Rust rewrites tend to do that

>>106264720 (OP)
>>106264726
remove hyphanet (aka freenet), it's a verified honeypot

>>106267811
>Nobody types in domain names by hand anymore anyway.
i do everyday

>>106267811
>Nobody types in domain names by hand anymore anyway.
How do you get to 4chan?

>>106278753
Hyphanet is some contrarian /g/tards continuing a fork after the main devs concluded it was a shitty design
The main devs redesigned the whole thing from scratch, letting other people work on and multiple options for the anonymity layer - that is currently called Freenet
It's an excellent design choice and I would have thought retarded paranoid internet schizos could understand why having such a pluggable format works better, could be onion routing, garlic routing or something else that you can switch in seconds

>>106264720 (OP)
I run I2P and Hyphanet(Is not even anoymus) why should I use GNUnet?

>>106278753
qrd?

>>106278731
> current version does not offer built-in anonymity
into the trash it goes

>>106278493
>TOR
>glowie
All you need to know that the poster is retarded and has no idea what they're talking about.

>>106281559
>pretending that Tor is safe
All you need to know to tell that this poster is a glowie.

>>106282699
>t. glowie

Shilling this till I get at least 10 clearweb normies on board. Glowies eat ass and die.

Also be mindful that good ole' Freenet was recently rebranded to Hyphanet, while the name "Freenet" itself is now being used for a different project unrelated to Hyphanet. So get Hyphanet and don't fall for shitskin glowie sophistry.

Join Hyphanet while you still can. It's been operational for 25 years already.

. Free
. Anonymous
. Encrypted
. Reliable
. Censorship resistant
. Decentralized (no need to run a server in order to host any website or file)

. Works in a completely diffetent way compared to other darknets.

DOWNLOAD: https://www.hyphanet.org/

TUTORIAL: https://navigating-the-darkweb.readthedocs.io/en/latest/chapter4_hyphanet.html

. Hyphanet's replacement for usenet/forums is called FMS.

. Hyphanet's replacement for Twitter/Facebook is called Sone.

. Hyphanet's replacement for e-mail is called Freemail.

. Hyphanet's replacement for websites are called Freesites (uploaded through JSite).>>106264720 (OP)

>>106284905
>Anonymous
https://docslib.org/doc/10665529/black-ice-the-law-enforcement-freenet-project
has hyphanet solved this issue?

>>106284905
>Hyphanet
Usecase?