Thread 106267138

why making desktop gui applications is so fucking horrible?

like, writing code for the console is even fun to do, you feel like you're doing real work, but then when it comes to writing a gui application it's the most horrible thing ever.

>>106267138 (OP)
I hate writing UIs so much.

>>106267138 (OP)
Because you're always using someone else's gigalibrary full of someone else's bugs that's like stabbing around in a black mystery box when you try to debug it yourself.

>>106267174
what do you recommend then?, i was using javafx and qt but jesus i fucking hate them

Because all libraries are garbage

>>106267225
You might not like my answer, but UI was solved a long time ago, and it's called using a web browser. Webdev is easier than messing with whatever the fuck Qt thinks it is, browsers are installed in virtually every single personal computer on the planet, are cross-platform, have a gazillion frameworks to make your life easier, etc.

But you're not gonna listen to me and instead is going to listen to some retard that will say that it's bloat and that you should make fuckugly programs with insert_retarded_UI_tech_here.

we need to go back

frontenders need to suffer
haha
fuck you

>>106267589
Seriously. There's nothing like anymore?

Everything looks to be python scripts with in browser UI like gradio

>>106267138 (OP)
windows and linux problems, macOS solved it 30 years ago

>>106267401
this is the only correct answer for any cross-platform desktop app. just use electron. for phones use swiftui/whatever slop google wrote for android. in all cases consider a progressive web app as well

>>106267797
kys webshitter

>>106267895
name one functioning, complete UI workflow that you created and >100 unique people completed without issues

>>106267920
knew it lol

>>106267920
Cocoa

>>106268014
i actually like apple ui frameworks a lot but they aren't cross platform. if you're writing an app do it in swift, but IIUC native mac apps are rarer by the day. it doesn't make sense to maintain a web client, a mac client, and a windows client anymore when a react app on web/electron does just as well

Because the only people who want a GUI are illiterate, and I'm not talking about the "tech" kind of illiterate.

>>106268041
>Because the only people who want a GUI are illiterate
?????

>>106268037
web apps looks like shit and doesn't support basic features that any native mac app has.

>>106268073
mac is a toy that wouldn't be used by anyone employed if it didn't have homebrew

>>106268077
what a retarded statement. do better.

>>106268081
How about dilate harder?

>>106268084
Great argument, kid. Any computer is a toy btw

Fuck off retard

>>106267225
> javafx and qt
I feel your pain. Fuck qt. I end up using javafx out of the need to prototype quickly for my own use only. Literally I use javafx for throw away tools not for mass release.

>>106268099
All computers can be misused, but only mac users can consistently be crying manbaby bitches who prove that apple caters to drooling mouthbreathers.

>>106268037
I only hate the fucking objc and swift involed

>>106267138 (OP)
Winforms fixed this problem but Microsoft for some unknown reason, thought xaml was the way despite having something that works perfectly.

All they need to do is update winforms and give us more features.

Also just use Qt.

>>106268117
Well, there's always win32 kek but seriously I do use win32 but only after prototyping in some other faster to prototype lang sadly like Java, then toss it away and implement the same layout in lower level API.

>>106268112
apple computers are used by programmers, scientists, professors, etc. Apple applications follow a higher standard than Android ones.

>>106268144
I just wish desktop dev wasn't dead due to the expectation of "works on my phone", knowing things like GUI frameworks like cocoa sidelined by all these html based website mobile apps

>>106267138 (OP)
visual basic 6 was peak programming, it was fun and simple to make UIs

>>106268164
Agreed

>>106268115
cant talk a lot about swift but from the little bit ive used it it seems nice. objc is ugly asf though and im secretly a functional programming nerd so OOP disgusts me

OOP is the only way to make functional gui

>>106267401
this. just use flutter or react. no need to use special snowflake shit like qt or swiftui.

>>106268187
Not really. React proved this statement incorrect. If someone would make something liek react and less complex and with a solid list of components including charts/graphs, TreeListViews, DataGridViews that would be nice.

This is why I keep dropping every gui. It's all toys unless they implement ways to display data.

>>106268187
OOP models cats and dogs really well but not UI. the only way to apply it at scale is dependency injection, which is just really shitty stateful functional composition

making GUI in web is not so nightmarish 2bh

>>106268234
UI elements are objects

>>106268221
react is not a GUI framework. it's DOM update framework which uses the immutable tree diffs to update content (which is retarded, but that's another story).
technically you can add "react" like update model on top of any OOP framework.

>>106268221
>React
was designed for women "coders" so it's braindead retarded

for me it's Vanilla.JS

>>106267138 (OP)
Its just event loops bra? no?

also writing a cli parser is more niggerlicious

>>106268551
cli parser can be written in 5 minutes
GUI framework boilerplate takes longer than 5 minutes just to setup.

>>106268555
>cli parser can be written in 5 minutes
then why i'm foocking struggling with it for past 4 days? am i stoopid?
only argv though no libraries, thats cheating.

>>106268568
yea you might be dumb

>>106268568
https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Getopt-Long-Option-Example.html
standard libc function

>>106267138 (OP)
>J-Just one more UI framework bro trust me it'll work this time...
They'll do anything but code the fucking thing.

>>106268385
No, it's a gui framework.

>>106268420
This is cope.

>>106268037
>but they aren't cross platform
GNUstep

>>106268757
this looks like absolute garbage.

>>106267157
>>106267174
>>106267225
>>106267239
Writing your own immediate gui framework in something opengl based like raylib is quite comfy actually. I am the one to blame for the bugs and not the shitty libraries I use. I can fix said bugs easily because I calculate every drawn rectangle, padding and text placement by hand. It takes more time to build shit but it will save your sanity in the end.
>>106268199
qt and swiftui predate your onions frameworks.

>>106268757
why do rusttrannies get all the cool shit and not seppletards...

bump

>>106267138 (OP)
>>106267157
Saar did you know you can simply using the html/css/js for desktop applicationing?

>>106268175
> objc is ugly asf
Agreed. After 10 years of C and C++, when I did first encounter objc it was like having my mind raped

>>106270410
please to be redeeming sir

>>106268052
Autist hate GUIs because they're confused when there is more than one thing one the screen at once. The truth is that the cli is a dumb persons idea of an intelligent interface.

>>106268757
the new hot reloading stuff that came from dioxus looks cool
https://x.com/MalekiRe/status/1926803230643671373

I hate to admit it but everyone saying to just use Electron/develop for Web is right. I hate webshit too but HTML/CSS were actually designed for the explicit purpose of designing layouts on the screen and it does actually work well for that purpose, and it's way fucking better than than anything retarded like swing.CreateNewTextBox() or swing.CreateNewRadioButton()

>>106267138 (OP)
a long time ago i used a library called iup in a pet project. it was quite nice. fltk seems like a good alternative too.

You now remember Delphi.

>>106267138 (OP)
Because most apps can just be CLI, GUI is for niggers and faggots in HR departments
Any real engineer that was forced into creating a GUI app makes it horrible because they don't know basics of UX/UI design and they want to give power to the user. Whole point of having a GUI is so that granny retards can point and click.

>>106271215
trvke

>>106268551
It's just key and value pairs maybe with some type validation na?

Also fuck yourself

>>106271184
Ah, I miss Delphi. Now that was comfy

>Electron
Still doesn't work on android lol.

>>106267138 (OP)
just use React
>but muh bloat!
just use Preact

>webuis
everyone fucking hates using them tho because they are bloated and slow trash

>>106272812
wasn't Preact deboonked?

>>106271184
>remember
>>106272195
>miss
>was
Am I missing something? Its last release was in March. It seems to be actively supported. Why are people talking about it in the past tense?