Thread 106272310

ubuntu is so good when you ain't got a nerd in your ear telling you it sucks

I start with minimal. Rice it up from there and there's a solution to every problem on Google.

>>106272348
#BASED

>>106272310 (OP)
my only complaint is how the firefox snap performs, which is a tradeoff considering it comes with an apparmor profile for it ootb.

>>106272310 (OP)
it's fine, but Mint is just better. basically, second best option.

>>106272310 (OP)
If Ubuntu was all Linux had to offer, I'd stick with Windows

>>106275318
>>106275339
>i am a faggot retard with an inflation fetish
i know, anon.

>>106272310 (OP)
never liked the african distro

>>106272310 (OP)
I've thought about firing it up again after working on other distros for a while - what do you like about it in particular?

>>106275433
me likey how refined it is. most linux distributions feel like a bunch of stuff stitched together, or worse, like an unfinished system you're supposed to work on.
ubuntu and its flavours feel like real operating systems. you fire it up, everything looks nice, everything works well, you actually feel like you're using something professionaly made and not a 20 year old transexual's tech hobby.

>can't manage installed .deb packages on the default software store
top jej

>>106275457
use case for .deb packages?

>>106275455
I'll have to fire it up again sometime. I was a big fan of Unity back when they had it and fell off when they shifted to the modified Gnome (I normally use Gnome but it was just a bit janky).
I'm on Debian now so it wouldn't be a difficult shift.

>>106275366
Considering how bloated Ubuntu is, I can say with certainty that it is people who like it who have an inflation fetish.

>>106272310 (OP)
Same with Mac OS and Windows.
Most human right abolishing companies make "good" things if you enjoy the blissful ignorance.

>>106275525
>le bloat
grow up

>>106272310 (OP)
Stay out of /g/, genius.

>>106275457
What's the use case for managing deb packages in the Snap/flatpack store?

>>106275525
>bloat
dude, /b/ro, it requires a fraction of the memory that Wangblows 10 or 11 do

>>106272310 (OP)
Linux has always had a pissing contest problem. Back in the old days people used to say "I'm only using Linux until I learn enough to migrate to BSD." Now they say "I'm only using Ubuntu until I learn enough to migrate to Arch." It adds an extra complication to adoption. Like you never hear anybody say "I'm only using Windows 10 Pro until I learn enough to migrate to Windows 10 Server edition."

>>106272310 (OP)
snappity crappity :DDD

i used ubuntu for like 10 years. i prefer debian. gnome sucks dick, and i'm not thrilled about the default software selection.

>>106276295
also the new logo is gay

>>106276185
nobody has ever said any of those things at any point ever

>>106275433
Not that anon, but I like it because it's a genuinely good distro for both workstations and servers. As a server it will run anything from VMs to websites and databases without fuss, and it does so just as well as RHEL and its frankenclones. Apparmor is easier to deal with than selinux, and it achieves the same goal.
As a desktop, you get something that actually works, all the way down to the bells and whistles. Almost anything you may dislike about the look of the desktop can be changed. Snap can be removed, and apt can be configured to use the deb version of the application, or you can build up from minimal and never install snap to begin with.

>>106276162
>What's the use case for managing deb packages in the Snap/flatpack store?
MAYBE TO NOT HAVING 2 OR 3 FUCKING SOFTWARE STORES ON THE SAME SYSTEM JUST TO MANAGE DIFFERENT PACKAGE FORMATS YOU DUMB GORILLA NIGGER
FUCK THE SNAPSTORE AND EVERYONE AT CANONICAL WHO WORKS ON THAT DUMPSTER FIRE

>>106272310 (OP)
It does suck, thoughbeit.

>>106276521
There's a software store for deb packages? I never heard of this. I just use the Terminal like a non-retard.

Hopefully Canoncial drops Snap, the Terminal is all we need.

>>106272310 (OP)
I never understood why you'd use Ubuntu over Debian

>>106272310 (OP)
>Implying you don't need to be a huge fucking nerd to install any kind of GNU Plus Linux to begin with.
Sasuga.

I prefer botswana

>>106277306
Need packages and such from ubuntu which aren't on debian. Yeah you can manually get them on debian but I don't have time for that when I'm working.
A lot of scientists use ubuntu so most of the times things just work.

>>106277371
I never understood why you'd use Ubuntu over manually getting packages on Debian

>>106277371
SCIENTISTS USE IT BRO ITS GOOD BRO THEY DO SCIENCE WITH IT BRO SO THEY MADE IT EXTRA GOOD FOR THE SCIENCE THEY DO BRO PLEASE BRO JUST USE IT BRO ITS GOOD BRO I SWEAR BRO THE SCIENTISTS BRO THEY REALLY USE IT BRO

>>106277306
>>106277376
ubuntu just feels more productive than debian
when i'm using debian i feel like I'm using a tablet or a toy instead of a desktop in general usage

>>106277306
Ubuntu have better driver management and the standard Gnome that Debian uses is trash. Linux Mint is way better for desktops today.

>>106272310 (OP)
>a literal anus with hemorrhoids logo
>is good
This isn't pride month, OP.

>>106277371
Is there really that much of a difference between Ubuntu and Debian's repos? Most popular/corpo software with Linux support that I've seen seems to just have a .deb on their sites anyways.

>>106272310 (OP)
>literal spyware
>forces major changes in its long term support branch instead of the testing one
If you're ok with the above and you value convenience above anything else why the fuck are you even switching to ubuntu? Stay with windows you fucking 'tard.
Ubuntu WAS genuinely good up until canonical got full corporate retard.

>>106279458
>literal spyware
source?

>>106279489
Last thing i remember was when, in 2012, had by default searches in unity delivered to amazon. One time it's enough in my book, if you did it once you're going to eventually try again.

>>106279518
>2012
so a nothingburger then, got it

>>106279533
Like i said if you don't care why even bother switching to ubuntu? Just run a debloat script on windows and you're good.

>>106279543
>run a debloating script someone else made that has to remove a hundred different things and at the end of the day you're still not 100% sure if all the bloat is gone
vs
>sudo apt remove {package}

>>106275258
They had an AppArmor profile for the deb Firefox since forever. You just had to enable it with aa-enforce

>>106275525
>Considering how bloated Ubuntu
whats bloated about Ubuntu? or you mean Gnome?

>>106276295
Ubuntu is not Gnome. I use Ubuntu server install with i3wm.

>>106276295
>install XFCE
>make it look just like GNOME
waow

>>106278438
>>106278714
You realize you get to choose your DE when installing Debian, right? It's your own fault if you're using Gnome on it.

Mixing snap/deb/flatpak packages is annoying, so are managing the permissions, and personalizing gnome is a broken mess.

>>106280622
>personalizing gnome is a broken mess.
wat
How?

>Mixing snap/deb/flatpak packages is annoying,
then don't

>>106272310 (OP)
I recently made the switch from jeetdows to ubuntu on my desktop and it's quite refreshing to not have random updates shoved in your face anymore, slow startup times, and system ram filling up quickly the moment you open up something. Works for me.

>>106272310 (OP)
There's nothing wrong with Ubuntu. I just don't care for gnome. There are better DEs out there, but if it suits you - great. Go with God.

And there's little to nothing exclusive to Ubuntu that can't be replicated elsewhere in a different distro.

All Linux is the same. It's mainly a choice of desktop environment, package manager, and how much you need to fuck with it to undo default apps and settings you don't prefer. Fighting over distro choice is the gayest fucking thing ever.

>>106280546
default DE, chuddie

I switched to Linux back when Ubuntu 12.04 came out, but I’ve slowly lost my love for the distro. It feels like canonical just doesn’t care anymore, they keep breaking shit with updates and they never fix it. Steam has been broken on Ubuntu for 6 years now and they refuse to patch their dash to dock launcher to fix it. There’s so much bloat and so many performance issues but canonical doesn’t care, and snaps are fucking HORRIBLE. It’s not that they didn’t go with flatpak that annoys me, canonical always did their own thing, it’s that snaps are incapable of doing something as basic as updating a program while it’s running. Every time telegram gets an update I have to close it down, wait 20 years for it to update and then reopen it.

I switched to using endevourOS with budgie and I enjoy it a lot more. It just feels so much more responsive and modern.

>>106272310 (OP)
>ubuntu is so good
you're very close, anon. soon you will be back

>>106272310 (OP)
> Corpo gives me a laptop 5x more powerful then what I need for spreadsheets
> Windows 11
> Convince them to switch to Ubuntu, "I can just use the Chrome Virtual Sandbox for everything!"
> The machine is 2.5x faster with Ubuntu
> Never going back jpg

>>106282094
>caring for work laptop in any way
lmao

>>106280114
Biggest issue with this approach is the default ubuntu server kernel is setup for servers not desktops. I could be wrong but it did last time I tried it. You'll want a preemptible kernel (not full) and a higher timer frequency (1000 HZ). Think you can set these at boot with the kernel cmdline. I believe debian uses 250/300 HZ ootb. Not sure how much it matters.

>>106280063
Interesting, I always thought the included firefox profile with apparmor was busted but I don't think I tried the ubuntu one.

>>106280546
Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME has a lot of custom stuff. Maybe you could replicate that on Debian, but I don't really care to try.

>>106272310 (OP)
Ubuntu was unstable as shit when I used 16.04 LTS, and the same for 20.04 LTS. On the same PC:
>OpenSUSE just werks.
>Fedora just werks.
>Debian just werks.
Canonical are a bunch of blithering retards.
Not even a nerd, I literally only use computers to browse the internet and use AbiWord.

>>106272310 (OP)
if it didn't default with snaps i'd be less reluctant on using it

>>106282851
It's mostly just
>Dash to Dock
>AppIndicators
>Desktop Icons
>Tiling Assistant
>+ a few tweaks in GNOME tweaks
Getting it to LOOK like Ubuntu is a whole other story though, theming GNOME and individual things like the dock can absolutely kiss my ass.

>>106275339
If Ubuntu was all Linux had to offer, I'd still not use Windows

>>106282890
irrelevant and outdated story, loser

>>106272310 (OP)
>it sucks
I had to test our release on notdebian22 and I used the unatendent installation in virtualbox to avoid petting the installer.
I was greeted a few minutes ago with the gdm screen, or whatever cancer they use as a desktop manager. I inserted my credentials, I logged in and when I opened the terminal I had the screen flash and return to gdm.
Upon investigaytion I ended up finding that the virtualbox installer set the locale to my language, the terminal was set to use such locale, opening the terminal cause the terminal to segfault and end the session.
this is the garbage that people want to tell you not to remind them that this garbage sucks.
No, I don't want more bugs ontop of my debian bugs.

>>106280138
xfce used to have a default dock panel, newfag

>>106280915
The installer asks you which DE you want to use when installing. It gives you like 5 options. If you wind up with Gnome that's on you.

>>106272348
>solution to every problem on Google
With the amount of time you will spend on Google looking for solutions, you might as well install ChromeOS.

>>106286713
get out of my ear, nerd

>>106286718
You know you want to hear more of those fire ass jokes, anon.

>>106272348
web browser reliance isnt in the spirit, read man pages and source code

>>106282819
good to know I have no clue at all. only difference for me was I had to configure network stuff using systemd-resolved, systemd-networkd and so on and not NetworkManager.

For non-nerds, Mint seems like the better and more stable choice.
Nerds will go for Fedora/Arch/Debian.
Who is Ubuntu for beyond Linux noobs who don't know better?

>>106278317
Scientists using it is relevant because they're the ones writing the software I need to use at work.
It's not a positive. They are TERRIBLE coders. They hardcode a bunch of shit that should never be hardcoded.
>>106279421
Scientific software isn't popular or corpo. It's a random github with no docs uploaded by some grad student 8 years ago and not touched since but it's the only way that any research group working on THING are able to process their data so we have to get it running. If you're lucky there's an environment.yaml

>>106272310 (OP)
>shit is tasty when nobody offers you anything else to eat

>>106272310 (OP)
>click-action behaviour is not set to minimize as default on taskbar
>have to change it in dconf-editor

ubuntu will never be good until retarded devs change it

>>106289390
Employed people.

>>106290212
Eh, I would only go so far as to say ``otherwise occupied'' people.

>>106289390
>Who is Ubuntu for beyond Linux noobs who don't know better?
Employed people, normies, anyone who wants a "Just Works™" Linux distro, you schizo.

>>106290274
So Linux noobs like (You)

>>106290394
cope harder, schizo
And take your medication(s) already.

>>106290394
>anyone who wants shit to just work is a noob
I do hope you enjoy needing scripts to change your volume o algo

>>106275339
Shut up MS poojeet

>>106272310 (OP)
it's spyware

>>106272310 (OP)
the only 2 good things about ubuntu are
1) debian is upstream
2) they build mainline kernels and make packages for them

you can use debian with the ubuntu mainline kernels and be on the cutting edge hardware-support-wise while also having an extremely stable and well tested userland

and flatpak for anything in userland that needs to be bleeding edge

>>106291761
>cope
Like you're doing to pretend you're not a Linux noob?
>>106292000
Any system just works if you're not a retard who can't do anything right

>>106276185
>I'm only using lies until I learn how to deceive by telling half-truths.